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Thursday, March 08, 2007

Quinn to Dolphins now all but dead

I never thought it would happen before, and now I'm certain: Brady Quinn will not be available when Miami picks No. 9 in the draft.

The Dolphins would have to dig deep into their treasure chest of picks or players or both to get high enough to pick Quinn. I don't think that's the strategy these days, so it just isn't going to happen.

The reasons?

Well, look at what has happened in recent days. On Wednesday night, the Cleveland Browns signed Jamal Lewis to become their starting running back next season. That means all the mock drafts that had Adrian Peterson going to Cleveland are now obsolete. The Browns don't need a RB, but guess what?

They very much still need a QB and they have the third pick of the draft.

Other circumstances have changed as well. Remember everyone had LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell going to Oakland with the first pick overall? That was before Russell showed up overweight at last month's scouting combine, causing draftniks to question his commitment.

Russell has lost favor and must wow people at his March 14 workout at LSU to regain it.

Quinn, meanwhile, held his first pro day workout last week. He didn't throw at the combine but he did other things, including pump 225 pounds 24 times, to the awe of everyone watching. The guy is a QB but he was lifting like a linebacker.

Then during his pro day at Notre Dame, Quinn made every throw an NFL quarterback needs to make.

Representatives from all 32 teams were there, most notably the Browns and the Minnesota Vikings (who have the seventh pick). Both teams sent their head coaches and OWNERS to watch the drills.

Quinn completed 60 of 65 passes. "The way I look at it, there were five balls on the ground and one of which I would put on him," Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis said.

Quinn, criticized for some inaccuracy on deep passes, completed a post in which he threw the ball 70 yards in the air. He threw off three-step, five-step and seven-step drops. He moved around. He basically solidified himself as a Top 5-7 pick, in my opinion.

Slip to the Dolphins at No. 9? I'm told the team would absolutely love that and would take him in a heartbeat.

But it simply won't happen.

29 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

We have learned time and time again that the "draftniks" are complete morons. I wish there was an easy place to see all of Mel Kiper Jr.'s mock drafts combined to how it unfolded, I am sure it will back up what I and most people think.

Teams have proven over the last few years that this is no longer a 1 back league. Jamal Lewis is no longer a starting running back and the Browns would be fools to pass on Peterson. More than likely they draft him, use Jamal to split the carries, and then dump him after hsi 1 year contract is up.

That said, the only way Miami gets Quinn, if they want him, is to trade with the Redskins to move down a few spots so they can jump in front of the Vikings. Its very possible scenario.

I doubt the Raiders will pass on Russell.

Who knows though, a lot can happen, but I feel as though the first 4 picks are locked based on the needs of the teams and the quality of players available... Russell, Thomas, Peterson, Johnson.

1:12 PM  
Blogger quikphish83 said...

Look at it this way, if we give Culpepper another chance and he totally blows, we will be in position to draft a quarterback next year. If culpepper can get some blocking and pans out as I anticipate, then we have a good quarterback for the next 6 years and this years first rounder would be better spent on a defensive tackle. Between Alan Brank and Amobi Okoye is a pretty tough call. Branch is clearly the superior talent right now but he was out of shape at the combine and is known for taking plays off, suggesting a poor work ethic which could spell BUST. Okoye however is only 19 which is amazing considering how good he is. Even he though is known to be a little lazy. I guess that's why defensive tackles are fat. Ha ha ha!

2:02 PM  
Blogger quikphish83 said...

*Branch

2:03 PM  
Anonymous AR said...

Russell lost favor?

They guy shows up at 265 and played the entire season at 260. Wow, what a lack of committement that shows. Only people that don't know LSU football would question the guys committment to football. He's a stud and if teams pass on him it will be their loss.

3:07 PM  
Anonymous patrick said...

Armando, I highly doubt Quinn will make it to number 9. As we discussed in an earlier blog, QBs are the value picks of the draft and this class looks to have 2 very good ones that should go in the top 7 or sooner.

That said, I would like to see the Dolphins trade down and grab a couple picks and then draft Levi Brown. I was at the Outback Bowl and paid specific attention to Brown. I gotta tell you the guy is legit. He manhandled the Tennessee defensive ends without help.

I think this fits more into the strategy Mueller and Cameron seem to be heading. Get a 10 year left tackle and perhaps an extra 3rd and 6th round pick. Mueller will pick a QB but I suspect it will come late the 1st day.

3:28 PM  
Anonymous Tony said...

I don't think he will slip to Miami at the 9th pick either, but not neccesarily because of the move of Cleveland signing Jamal Lewis. It's just a 1 year contract, so I still believe Peterson is still in play for the Browns and can still help. Crennel does not need a 1st round pick that will be groomed for another coach. I do think Minnesota could look at him and I have read that the Texans would take Quinn if he dropped to them. Miami can still get a very good player out of Okoye, Branch, Landry or Brown at the 9th pick.

4:10 PM  
Anonymous jimmy said...

Praise the lord! Brady Quinn blows.
Joey Harrington II.
Its one thing to throw darts on a field with no NFL defense in front of you -- I bet Joey would have been even better than Quinn in the same arena. Quinn, as his college career proved, does not have the "heart" it takes to be a winner. He can't win against good teams or in important games.
Thankfully, he will be gone by the time the Dolphins are up.

5:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why waste a number 9 draft pick on a choke artist Quinn that never won a big game? Forget Quinn. Think Offensive line. Get a QB in the later rounds to groom and he will probably turn out a lot better than Quinn. How many top drafted QB's actually made it recently? Payton Manning? That's it? Give Daunte another shot and forget about Quinn please.

7:19 PM  
Blogger Bloodlust said...

Passionfish...

Cote is a whinner, but there is no great fountain of information flowing in this blog. There is more bull, whinning, andidiots barking out crap, and Armando allows these over grown children to continue to play these games.

If you want to know all that is written by Armando... he gets his information from reading the SI.con, ESPN.com, and NFL.com. So don't even bother wasting your time in this blog because if you do not fall into the same groove as others in here, you will get bashed.

I am checking the blog today for the last time. Everyone here except for a few, mimic each others words. They just say the same crap a hundred different ways. One thing that is funny are the idiots want you to back up what you say, yet they have nothing to back their mouths with either. Kiddie games. Very few grown ups in here.

Your better off going to blog on "the Dudes" blog. He is intelligent, and has more information than you can find here. I'm not wasting another day in this blog, and so are a few others. There are other ones out there without the cry babies in here.

12:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's hoping Cameron (the QB genius), with the help of Mueller, can spot a diamond in the rough somewhere. There's got to be somebody, some "Romo" out there, someone approaching a "Brady (picked in the later rounds) that they can develop. Maybe it's Lemon. Who knows. Maybe they can even work with Culpepper, although, I'm very skeptical about the latter. The only good knews as far as seeking a quarterback is that Cameron is the guy to do it.

8:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've agreed with you all along, Armando, that Mr. Quinn will not fall to the #9 slot. And Quinn's reportedly fine workout would seem to bolster that notion. But I disagree with the theory that Cleveland's acquisition of Jamal Lewis would preclude them from drafting Adrian Peterson. The Browns may be cutting Reuben Droughns, a power back like Lewis. Peterson, on the other hand, would be a different type of back whose skills would complement Lewis'. Last year the trend in the NFL was for teams to split the workload between two prominent backs. See Deuce and Reggie, Thomas Jones and Cedric Benson, Maronie and Dillon, Barber and Brandon Jacobs, Addai and Rhodes, and perhaps Ronnie and Ricky this year.

12:10 PM  
Blogger Ken said...

Let's not forget Romeo and Charlie Weis have a connection and I'm sure Weis is touting Brady Quinn heavily to him. Quinn will wind up on the Browns. Put it in the bank.

3:28 PM  
Anonymous Billy Joe Bob said...

Bloodlust,

We are going to miss you. Then again, I miss my last bout with diarrhea.

We are going to miss your tremendous "insight" like this little gem; "I think (new coach) should look over the entire roster and analyze everyone." Wow! You really opened my eyes to the inner workings of an NFL organization on that one.

Ever wonder why it is only you that people pick on? You are an idiot, blowhard who is way too full of himself. Does anyone say bad things about "The Dude"? No, because his posts are rational and have some meaningful information. Make yourself and us happy and just go away.

12:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

my thoughts,
bloodlust this blog is people just talk'n their mind ,whether their a football genius or not.

when I get on the blog I want to read what people have to say,not that I think all people are football geniuses.

If you can't come on a blog and just read an have exchange thoughts with people ,whether you agree with what they say or not,is the exact mentallity that habors the hate that permeates this sorry world's attitude

9:40 AM  
Anonymous finndolphan said...

armando,let's get over this obsession with quinnn and whether he will fall to number9!i agree he is a good prospect as do most but let's maybe talk about who else will be available at that spot and what each player could bring to the fins!is levi brown a decent left tackle?is okoye the next warren sapp?is ted ginn really a gamebreaker?and so on! if quinn falls to number nine obviously it's one of the biggest decisions this team has made in recent years,if not who do they draft?

11:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do not think we should take Quinn. We need OL and WR more. Plus we need to start winning now. Quinn will be at least a year maybe 2 away to be ready. I also think Cpep is much better then perceived by the media. He was brought back way too soon. Plus I do not think we need the great QB as much as we need a change in leadership. CPep brings that. So I think we will be fine. Also that is my nock on Cleo. Although he can throw the ball well and run an office he does not possess that "I am in charge here” attitude. In Cam's offense Cpep will be fine. We need some more speed on offence. Plus it’s just a feeling but I suspect Cam and the coaching staff feels pretty good about the young guys that we already have on board. Sabin just would not give them a chance. Cam will. I honestly believe we are in much better shape then most profess.

Let’s look at it, our defense hovers around the 4-5-6 mark. We have Evens and now Proter. And Portor was brought in not really for his play but for his attitude. His mouth and attitude will be contagious all the way to the offense. Plus I think you will see J.Allen a little more this year. That’s younger and faster. Out offense has been ranked in the 20's. However we were dead last in scoring. So if our offense can just move up to say somewhere around 15 to 10 give or take and score. We can be a winning team once again and be in the playoffs. Now don’t call me crazy I am not talking super bowl yet. But I am talking winning football and playoff run.

1:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The Lord orchestrated this," Dungy said on the NFL Network about Indy's Super Bowl season.

Faith?

Or mental illness?

2:09 PM  
Blogger Cesar said...

Forget Quinn please for crying out loud ... what we need are draft picks ... picks that we can turn into OL/DL help ... picks that maybe can even get us a #3 receiver ... have a little faith in Culpepper and Chambers for one more year and let's see what happens ... we are rebuilding no matter how everyone sees it and what makes or breaks a team are the guys in the trenches ... they are the foundation of a team ... a good OL can make a good QB great and a great QB awesome ... a good line can give a mediocre receiver time to get open and shake coverages ... a good OL can open up holes for a RB and get you those extra yards so we don't see 2nd and 8 / 3rd and 5 ... for every hall of fame QB there are 2 or 3 hall of fame linemen that served with them ...

2:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The drafts still a few weeks away. Theres still time for Quinn to make an errant pass and have some "Draftnik" drop him to # 11. Maybe we can bring him her for Calle Ocho and get him fat on Arepas and Cuban sandwiches and hope Jemarcus Russel gets in shape? Hmmmmmmmmmmm wishful thinking huh?

9:25 PM  
Blogger jedco-online said...

I don't usually respond to idiots on a blog but with a name like "bloodlust" and the comments he or she makes ya gotta think bloodlust has figured how to get past the parental controls on the computer. C'mon - bloodlust can't be more than 8 or 9 years old.

12:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PEOPLE for the love of God. The dolphins WILL NO#T take a dt with the 9th pick. Presently there are 6 on the team. Traylor,Wright,Wright,Vickerson,Holliday,Evans and you could count on the phins going for a new one in the draft 5gth or 6th round.
The need for a defensive back, wide receiver and ol is GLARING.
If quinn is gone which he should be by 9; the pick will be Hall,Landry, or Ginn.
Bet the house on this. Do some thinking on your own and stop reading the mock draft crap as if it were written on a slate tablet.
The problem with reading all this mock draft garbage concerns the fact the people picking in the nfl have reasons for the picks they make. Draftniks spew the same story like a parrot with the runs.
Mel Kiper has the same knowledge of pro prospects as Mel Gibson has of being politically correct.
Take the best available players ranked 6-15 place their pictures on the wall and throw a dart; you are now as qualified as Kiper.
Remember Kiper had Akili Smith as the next Tarkenton. Yes they were both scramblers and that is where the similarities ended.
If i was going to venture a guess; Levi Brown tackle.
Drew Stanton second round if Stanton is gone Grubb guard.
Now mark this picks down.

2:33 PM  
Blogger quikphish83 said...

Alright anonymous, who's gonna start at DT for us once Traylor is gone. Holiday is no spring chicken and isn't a run stopper anyhow. The other four guys you mentioned have how many starts between them? If the answer isn't zero its pretty darn close. One of them might turn out to be a decent number 2. Run defense is more important than pass defense, everyone knows this. And if you didn't notice, the pass defense got better late last season after players got used to each other and we benched Tillman. The dolphins have been good against the run for soooooo long that maybe you've forgotten how much it sucks if your team cant stop the run. Here is a great chance to inject some youth into an aging front 7 and we've got to take it. Ginn would be nice but right now we couldn't get the ball to Marvin Harrison if we wanted to. There isn't a offensive linemen worth the 9th pick aside from Joe Thomas(you would know this if you did some thinking and reading yourself, and yes most sports analysts know more about evaluating players than you). Most people with credibility argue there isn't a corner in this draft worth the ninth pick either. And finally, I dont understand drafting a safety in the top 10. Safeties are the least important player on the defense. Its nice to have good ones but in reality if they simply know where they are supposed to be, they'll be alright. Just look at Yeramiah Bell, he's no great physical specimen, just a guy who knows were he's supposed to be.

12:16 AM  
Blogger Patrick said...

"Safeties are the least important player on defense."? I think, to pick two teams at random, Indianapolis and New England may wish to take issue with that. I doubt, quite greatly, that Bob Sanders and Rodney Harrison (respectively) are their "least important" defenders. Quite the opposite, actually.

Head over to the team's website and count up our defensive tackles. We have at least 9. Nine! On our whole defensive line, only three (Holliday, Traylor, Taylor) have more than four years experience. Why infuse more youth, when Vickerson and Wright may very well be the answer you're looking for? Maybe the reason they haven't started yet is because they were stuck behind so many veterans.

Considering Brady Quinn a potential draft bust because he "couldn't win the big one" is pretty weak. Unless you wanted him to play defense in the bowl games as well. It's one thing to expect him to play well. It's another to expect him to lead seven touchdown drives, since his teammates are going to allow at least six.

9:18 AM  
Blogger quikphish83 said...

Dude,

Of course saftey is least important on defense. What could make you think otherwise. Obviously if you have particularly good players at safety they are going to make a big impact. But imagine if can choose between a safety and a linebacker or d-linemen or corner of the same high quality. The safety is going to have less of an impact in every case. Who would you rather have? Champ Baily or Ed Reed? Ray Lewis or Troy Polomalu? Sean Taylor or Jason Taylor? The best safeties in this league dont compare to the best players at other positions. If you can say otherwise i'd like to hear what you think is the least important defensive position.

Secondly, I dont care how many DT's we have on this team, if most of them aren't starters they are virtually useless. Lets go through this shall we:

Keith Traylor: Good but only 1 decent season left in him

Vonnie Holliday: Good but not a true run stopper and maybe 3 years left.

Kevin Vickerson: Was recently cut. Will likely be cut again.

Manny Wright: Give me a break, consider him cut.

Chase Page: Is a nobody, will be cut.

Rodrique Wright: One of two guys who has potential but he's a 7th rounder, the odds he ever becomes dominant are small

Fred Evans: One of two guys who has potential but he's a 7th rounder, the odds he ever becomes dominant are small

Steve Fifita: Is a nobody, will be cut.

So i can only find 8, can't think of who the ninth guy is either. Dan Wilkinson was traded although he might retire and Jeff zgonina is gone. Regardless, if there is a 9th guy i imagine he is inconsequential.

So lets think 2 years ahead. Vonnie holliday is 33. Keith Traylor is retired. Lets hope that either Fred Evans or Rodrique Wright becomes decent. To assume they both will or that either will become dominant is very risky and based on no real evidence. And most of the other DTs on this team have been long since cut.

I dont know about you but that doesn't sound so appealing to me. Now is our chance to ensure that our run defense remains good for years to come.

Vote Branch/Okoye for Prez.

2:02 PM  
Anonymous bloodlust, no wait that's a stupid name said...

defensive tackles have no business being taken in the top 10. i don't care how good they look at the combine they just don't make a big enough impact. i will agree that there aren't any corners worthy of a 9th overall selection and that it is too early to take brown. but i think we have to take brown since he is by far the 2nd best lineman in the draft. i don't see anything wrong with trading down a few spots pick up an extra pick and taking him. there are plenty of decent corners that will be available in the 2nd round and yes i'm saying it daymeion hughes is one of them. everybody seems to hate him right now but i think he is better than what we have. i'm sure we can get a pretty decent d tackle in the 5th round or later and that's exactly what i think we'll do.

2:35 PM  
Blogger Patrick said...

Laron Landry is supposedly one of those "particularly good players" that will have a big impact. And I don't think Safety is as diminished a defensive position as you're making it out to be. Harrison and Sanders completely change the face of their respective run defenses (which you want to draft for). Polamalu and Reed are both "gamechagers" in their own right.

Plus I give Yeremiah Bell a lot of credit for helping to shore up Miami's defense last season. A good safety offers more than a shutdown corner, which you're not likely to get straight out of the draft. A shutdown corner isn't going to be of much assistance on run defense (which is "more important than pass defense"). A safety provides help over the top in coverage, as well as being a guy who can pop a guy near the line of scrimmage on run defense.

I guess I'm a little confused as to why we're carrying eight or nine defensive tackles if four or five of them are just going to get cut because they're "nobodies." I mean, we just got a second and seventh round draft picks for a nobody that under many circumstances would have just been cut. In fact, he was. He also didn't start, and still managed to lead the team in receptions.

3:26 PM  
Blogger NYdolfan84 said...

Bottom line is that we need to take the best available at #9 and ignore need (or trade down). It would be great if Levi Brown is available and Mueller/Cam think he is the best out there. The only position that they wouldn't address at 9 is probably RB, and maybe LB after the Porter signing. We have virtually no depth so any other position should be considered. We are missing many pieces to the puzzle so filling the greatest needed won't be as beneficial as taking the best player avail. I think Landry and Branch both would be decent picks @ 9, but I'm sure our scouts have more of an opinion. I would rather not take a Safety since we took Jason Allen last year, but if Landry is the best available than we have to grab him. There are no CBs or TEs worth the 9th pick, so two of our most pressing needs will have to wait til later in the draft. WE NEED ALL THE TALENT WE CAN GET!

4:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We don't need Brady Quinn...We just got rid of 790 the ticket!!!! Bye bye Jimmy BORE. WQAM can bring back Zimpher with Mandich & Rose. SWEET lots of fun & good Dolphin Karma. GO fins

9:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well dont u look like a genius know? Not only did Quinn drop to 22nd, the dolphins didnt take him when they had the chance. The Dolphins have daunte and ur an idiot, enough said

6:05 PM  

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