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Wednesday, February 13, 2008

Shockey and Johnson don't make sense for Dolphins

Google the names Chad Johnson and Jeremy Shockey and you get a lot of results involving those good players being involved in, or wanting, a trade. And while I might not doubt that Johnson wants out of Cincinnati and Shockey may eventually be headed out of New York, I have to stop Dolphins fans right there.

Because either of those two in South Florida in 2008 doesn't make a lot of sense. Maybe none.

Johnson has been rumored coming to the Dolphins ever since he made his desire to leave the Bengals pretty evident. I say that desire is evident because the front page of Johnson's personal website has a link to an NFL.com story about Johnson being dealt. And I, being a serious investigative reporter, can read the tea leaves.

Johnson embraces the idea of being traded.

The fact Johnson is from Miami and was caught on camera apparently gesturing to Bill Parcells to phone him only fueled the Dolphins rumors.

But wait a minute here. Is Johnson a fit for the Dolphins?

If he wants to get out of Cincy because he wants to win, you think he's going to be happy in Miami? If he often complains that Carson Palmer doesn't always get him the ball enough, you think he'll be a fit with Miami's uncertain quarterback situation? If the Dolphins are rebuilding, you think the way to do it is giving up a valuable draft pick or draft picks for a 30-year-old player?

Tell me, please, which one of those ill-formed pieces fits a trade scenario to Miami? I would say none.

Then there is Shockey, who was last seen drinking in a University of Phoenix suite while the Giants won Super Bowl XLII. There is Shockey, who was noticeably absent from the Giants victory parade back in NY.

There are grumblings the Giants are willing to deal him because, frankly, qaurterback Eli Manning seemed more comfortable without the tight end in the huddle demanding the football during New York's playoff run. And one of the Giants' big plays of the Super Bowl was a 45-yard pass from Manning to Shockey standin Kevin Boss.

The Dolphins, in dire need of a solid tight end because David Martin was a flop last season, seem to be a fit right? After all, Shockey played at The U and his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, is from South Florida and Shockey loves the area.

But wait a second, trade breath. The rebuilding Dolphins are going to give up what exactly for a Shockey? You think the Giants will give him up for a third round pick? Doubtful. You think the Dolphins will pay a second? Not for a player coming off a significant leg injury and perhaps his second least productive season, not for a player who has had two good seasons out of his six and those came in 2002 when he was a rookie and in 2005.

And certainly not for a player who once upon a time referred to Dolphins vice president of everything football Bill Parcells as a, "the homo," in a 2003 New York Magazine article. In that article, Shockey said, "Parcells is not my kinda guy."

Well, if one looks dispassionately at both Shockey and Johnson, and understands the Dolphins are not in the best position to make either fit right now, it should cool the talk about landing the two players.

53 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although I would agree, they wouldnt make sense for us in 2008, they would make sense for us in the future. Johnson and Shockey are " Parcell kind of guys" Which means if either one starts mouthing off, they're history. On top of the fact that every loud mouth that a Parcell teams has had, have shut their mouths and played ball. A trade with the Bengals makes sense if they want to move up in the draft, because they have a top ten pick. Why would trade with Dallas when they dont even have a top 20 pick!

12:59 PM  
Anonymous TD Kurt Offal said...

I have yet to read or hear what, exactly, Parcells said on ESPN in the way of criticizing Shockey. Aparently the Tuna's comments are what upset Shockey and elicited the alleged (Shockey denies he said it) homo comment.

What were the criticisms Parcells had? If they are still valid in his mind, they can only add weight to the argument that the TE won't be a Dolphin.

I seriously doubt Parcells would still hold an alleged comment by a brash kid against him for 5 years; he's a bigger man than that - no insult intended.

1:02 PM  
Anonymous MartinK said...

Shockey is a bum and, as mentioned by several people over the last weeks, we could, in theory, trade down to #9 & get Johnson. What about trading Jason Taylor for Chad Johnson? What about Taylor for McNabb? Johnson and McNabb can both be effective for 5+ years and the 'Fins would hopefully be competitive in 3 years.

1:04 PM  
Blogger Marcus said...

Armando, Johnson wants out of Cinci because it feels as if he has been the scapegoat for them not winning. He feels he has been accused of being a cancer by the media and his team have not defended him. I think he just wants an organization to show him some love... And another big pay day...

1:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From a talent perspective and what he'd bring to the receiving corps, Chad Johnson would be a great addition...for the right price. But therein lies the problem. For one, the Bengals would face a big cap hit in 2008 if they got rid of Johnson, and as Armando pointed out, the Dolphins would have to give up quite a bit for a 30-year old WR.

As for Shockey, we certainly need TE help, but Shockey can barely stay on the field, and in my personal opinion, isn't necessarily a game-changing TE. He's a great talent, and I wouldn't be opposed to him joining the team...for the right price. A day one pick? Not on your life. We've made enough mistakes over the past few years trading away picks for players who don't pan out. It's time for a change.

With the money we cleared in cap space this past Monday, I think we can go a long way towards improving the team by signing a quality free agent or two - mainly on the offensive line or on defense. And while, it's not a great year for WR and TE free agents, we still haven't seen the last of the cap casualties, so someone might still hit the market.

1:24 PM  
Blogger j dizzle said...

Armando I agree about Shockey, but as for Johnson, I think it could possibly happen and work. The most exprienced reciver on the team now is Derek Hagan. It will all depend on how bad the Bengals want to move up if at all in the draft.

I personally think its gonna take a three way deal to pry that # 1 pick away from BP, JI, and TS.

1:33 PM  
Anonymous ceed said...

Hell yea bring in Johnson he's an underrated reciever and would be our number 1 guy. (not Chad, I'm talking about Bryant.) Sign him in the offseason I think he'd be great for us and we wouldn't need to surrender anything for him except some cash.

2:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chad Johnson sucks. He is nothing more than a loudmouth thug.

2:06 PM  
Anonymous tc said...

Impressive!

First time I read an intelligent opinion in this column. (Ever! :P)

I've always suspected that these are written more to rile up Dolphin fans, and create controvery than anything else. It may just be a coincidence, but it is a major improvement...

2:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Think about it guys, look at the teams that were sucessful this year, teams without big personalities and players that thought they were more important than everyone else. We need TEAM players not cancers like those guys, yes they will make us better in every aspect because we basically dont have that much talent right now but in the end will it be the necessary link to get us to the ship, I say no. I could be wrong but i would rather have a player that is all about the team then loud mouths that are in the paper every single day.

2:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice work Armando as always bringing in more news, I think your right, both players don`t fit a rebuilding team, besaides I really think Miami is looking to get more draft picks with the #1 selection, and its more probable also we might pick a quaterback, I say they pick Ryan your thoughts...

2:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Listen up people, I know for a cold-hearted FACT that if we do whatever it takes to get McNabb and Chad Johnson, we'll be good to go immediately. I traded McNabb AND Johnson to the Dolphins in my Madden game a few months ago, and they now both have 2 Super Bowl rings... (well, and the Dolphins have 2 more undefeated seasons under their belt... oh, and um, I also moved the Patriots to Anchorage and renamed them the "Assholes" and named their open-air stadium, "The Glory Hole"...) But besides that, my point is, the trade works! We gotta do it!

2:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HAHAHA! That was awesome, anonymous. I think I'll go for that trade based on your scientific approach to proving your theory.

2:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, and I also created a player named "Armando Seguero," and just placed him in the free-agent list. ...for some reason no teams pick him up, he's just there, season after season, week after week, wasting everyone's time.

2:37 PM  
Anonymous tc said...

You should create one called the dog whisperer so he has some company...

3:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since we've brought up Madden scenario's... I did something in my Madden game that I never thought I'd do, but it has turned out to be awesome. In real life, when Huizenga "almost" sold the team, and when we were in the worst disarray we've ever been in... I decided to pretend in my Madden game that Huizenga sold the team, and the new management relocated us to Los Angeles! I figured there are technically Dolphins in the Pacific also, so the name stayed. The fans were pissed at first, but it's now 2014, and the new L.A. Dolphins are living the high life with a sweet stadium and is sold out every week. (I didn't trade McNabb or Johnson to us, anonymous... But you might laugh to know I also relocated the Patriots, to Mexico, and called them the "Mexico Mexicans". HAHAHA!)

3:09 PM  
Anonymous Jon said...

Armondo, I saw on CBS NFL Today about a month ago, and someone was saying that Arizona would probably have to unload Boldin or Fitzgerald. Any truth to that? Now that would make alot of sence for Miami since both are in their mid 20's

3:12 PM  
Blogger Ron in Charlotte said...

I think we should trade for BRIAN Johnson of AC/DC. He may suck at football but at least he can rock the house. And Lemmy can come too.

Oh and everyone. We aren't drafting Ryan. I guarantee it.

We have a great prospect already and this season will show that improvement. Beck wasn't so bad that he won't get a chance to lead first. Why? Because at less than $3M a year it's better than chancing it with $30M in guaranteed money.

4:57 PM  
Anonymous Phins Fan in NE said...

Somebody please take back Ricky's weed from Martin K. Martin obviously can not handle it! Taylor for McNabb are you kidding me?

Also, dear anonymous, lets notify Parcells trading for Johnson and McNabb works on Madden. I'm sure he'll be thrilled. Why he hasn't hired you for his staff is beyond me.

Thank you!

5:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Armondo, I agree. Neither Shockey or Johnson make much sense for the Dolphins. Neither will be a factor by time the Dolphins are ready to make a run for the playoffs. In th mean time they will take up valuable cap room which could be spent on younger players and/or free agents.

Shockey is often injured and Johnson has been able to play throuhg some injuries but how long before he begins to miss some significant time. Also, Johnson brings a ridiculous attitude with him for which his play has yet to live up to. If Johsnon's career ends today the only HOF jacket he will ever where is the fake one he wore on MNF.

5:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

McNabb is often injured and OVERRATED. He got to the big dance and choked against the Patriots. McNabb is on his way out and the Dolphins certainly don't need his services, especially at what he would cost against the salary cap.

The Dolphins should look to draft a QB again this year and if possible get one via free agency/trade, like Derek Anderson.

5:15 PM  
Anonymous Chase said...

"Chad Johnson sucks. He is nothing more than a loudmouth thug."

This guy sounds like my 50 year old dad... Its funny how almost every coach, including bill belicheck and player have only good things to say about him

5:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Jason Taylor will go to Cleveland for Derek Anderson....and then Keyshawn will come back for a year or two and then Schocky will come to miami cheaply because of the injury, etc.

5:47 PM  
Anonymous Chase said...

:( <------- Just realized the dolphins arent going to get Terrell suggs, because hes going to be franchised

5:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with Mando. Parcell's, I hope, spends most of the FA funds on O and D line. They need multiple players at those 9 spots. Over spending on the skill positions is not the right first moves for a team that needs everyting.

6:13 PM  
Anonymous MartinK said...

To Phins Fan in NE:
Ricky hasn't returned my calls... he must have gotten high and forgot. He probably can't afford the good stuff though because I doubt he made a ton of $$ on his Pros vs Joes gig. Regarding the McNabb vs JT and CJ vs JT debate, I'd take either over JT. Nothing against JT, but I see JT retiring before either other guy, so they'd help us for a longer time period. Do you know my boy Holcomb in Worster (sorry, don't know the spelling), just outside of Boston? He's a Pats fan - that pansy. He lost his cell phone, while blacked out, in a taxi in Arizona, after the Superbowl... He probably just didn't want anybody to call him and make him cry!

6:54 PM  
Anonymous Rudy said...

Mando, I am surprised you didn't address Keyshawn as well. Rumours are flying about him coming down. He is another big mouth with at best a season or two worthwhile, and just wouldn't seem like a wise investment to me.

7:17 PM  
Blogger Rob said...

The big Tuna, much like JJ before him, builds teams from the bottom up, not the top down. He likes to mold young players more than he likes to deal with the crap of older players. The times he has tried with older players, he has had some bad experiences RE: The Player(Terrell Owens).

JJ's influences can STILL be felt on this team, because of his ability to build through the draft. Bill will probably trade down, for more picks, and build a solid core for the team. Expect him to give Beck one year's trial, while he builds both lines, and works on the defensive backfield. It wouldn't surprise me to see him trade off some veterans for more picks, either.

8:20 PM  
Anonymous Chase said...

Sure we'll give beck his one year trial, but you know what happens if he messes up... Next year TIM TEBOW BABY!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

8:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do we really want a wide receiver more concerned about what happens after the touchdown (multiple lame attempts for attention) or one that plays for the touchdown and ultimately a win?

8:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will tell you what is going to happen. We will trade JT for a WR. Don't know who,maybe Boldin or Fitgerald in Arizona, maybe Williams at Detroit. If that doesn't happen, look for Keyshawn to come in. Bill is not going to get Matt Ryan. Right now he is being quiet so that teams will want to trade up to get him or one of the other few, the longs or dorsey or McFadden. As far as our first pick, Bill and the gang have 2 months to figure it out. It will all be based on the free agency and trades. But they can't have Beck and Ryan on the team, too much money on unproven QB's. Besides, I like Flacco and Henne over Ryan. Plus we will be getting some Vet in here that I am sure will cost us. Take a 3rd to 4th round on QB. 1st and 2nd round will go OL and DT or DE. 3rd will go TE, 4th to QB or CB / LB.

9:55 PM  
Anonymous Steve said...

Armando is right, with no quarterback and with Miami being years away from even the playoffs, this is the worst scenario for C.Johnson to come into......we don't need a guy with a "me-first" attitude right now, if we were close to winning a championship and wanted to add a final piece, then ok......its about collecting the draft picks and letting the youth turn their potential into production.....

10:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE BEHIND TRADING JT?JT HAS ALWAYS PROVEN TO BE
AN EXCEPTIONAL PLAYER ON DIFFICULT TIMES.HE IS IN TIP TOP SHAPE.HOW MANY OF YOU, SO CALLED EXPERTS KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IS TO FIND A PLAYER OF HIS CALIBER?

11:00 PM  
Anonymous vegas420 said...

ya of course it doesnt make sense for the dolphins to get either of them. i mean they are both superstars and were doing just fine without superstars. instead of trading a 2nd round pick or sumtin for one of them we should try to get back aj feeley! vwhat a retarded article

11:11 PM  
Blogger Fabi├ín said...

Back home the boys (Chambers, Welker, McMichael)

11:20 PM  
Blogger john said...

My good friend Marie Lombardi[ yeah the coach's wife] long ago told me,that pretty much the players even out,that it's the commitment the organization makes toward winning that is the difference.What we have here now Finners is a real attempt by mgmt.towards that commitment.Finaly, hooray Tuna knows that the only way is up, that's why he jumped on our ship.He's already targeted the stench that allowed 1-15,he's way too smart to allow any more on board.Trust them to bring in the winning team 1st guys,no matter who they are.No McChokes,no OchoHoF wearin,overpaid,outta shape,ball droppin,snapcountjumpin,facemask grabin,second wasting,lack of hustling,teamwrecking pukes,Just bring in hardworking honest good young men.

11:22 PM  
Anonymous Chris said...

"The big Tuna...builds teams from the bottom up, not the top down.?"

Exactly -- The team will be rebuilt with players unlike those that crave for media creations like these two. It will take 3 years. This scenario isn't even worth a blog entry but I guess the writer's are so isolated that they are forcing things.

I would add that they are also both douches and not Parcells/Ireland type of douches. Chad Johnson can't even hang happily on a Marvin Lewis prison team. Shockey isn't worth a 6th or even a trade for David Martin. What a putz -- double fisting Scotch in the SB sky box. He's an ex-Giant walking (limping).

2:41 AM  
Anonymous Armando Acevedo said...

I agree, dolphins must rebuild with drafts picks and some free agents veterans, draft picks are almost the only dolphins' assets.
What about offensive line Whale relesed by Carolina? Is a possibility to revamp miami offensive line? he should have ties with new off. line coach and off. coordinator

11:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's the thing...

Regardless of whether or not these are "Parcell's" guys - both Johnson and Shockey provide IMMEDIATE upgrades at 2 key offensive positions for the Dolphins. Shockey coming off an injury is better than any TE we have on the roster. Johnson instantly takes this receiving corps from being a bunch of high school players to a legitimate group of pass catchers - if for no other reason, he can take pressure off Ginn and hopefully help to make him more productive. And even if we don't have a QB and Parcells decides Beck is the guy - how much better would he be with a healthy Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Chad Johnson and Jeremy Shcokey? You're right, the only real question becomes - what do you give up for Shockey? But considering what the Patriots gave up for Wes Welker and what his production was last year, the price for Shockey may not be as steep considering the Giants really don't want him and the rest of the league knows it. I'm not saying these deals need to get done, but any time you can add talent to a team who has little to none - i'm all for it.

11:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ya, they provide 2 immediate upgrades at 2 positions when we need upgrades at just about all of them. So its stupid to spend money on either one of these guys....especially Chad Johnson. He would cost a fortune. Both of them, however, are slated for teams that have everything else under control and only need an upgrade at one of those positions...actually Chad Johnson is slated for the Bengals...so its stupid to even discuss him.

11:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I should also add that by the time the rest of the team catches up, both of these upgrades would need upgrading again.

11:58 AM  
Anonymous BuytheFIns said...

We need the best players around. Anything fits now.
https://www.BuytheFins.com

1:02 PM  
Anonymous Raz said...

Armando, Excellent editorial!! I think you it it all on the head. Really good stuff. Johnson and Shockey, although good players, don't seem to be ready to come along on this journey the Dolphins are embarking on (rebuilding). Mostly from their behaviors rather than just their onfield performance.

1:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hope this inst true...But being that it probally is...its a sad day to be a Phin fan...Even though most of us saw this coming...


http://nmsn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7797362/Dolphins-to-release-7-time-Pro-Bowler-Thomas

1:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

at least he will have a chance of winning some games with the Pats next year.

1:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Second that one!! hope it isn't ture too, but it was on the wall. I hope they at least tried to redo the deal. I would hate for him to end up in New England.... Some guys deserve to retire a Dolphin.

1:25 PM  
Anonymous Kurt in Tampa said...

What nothing about Zach Thomas being Released today. You guys are slipping.

Shockey would be a complete disaster. Ocho Cinco on the other hand has a prayer of working out (money asside). Chad wasn't arrogant during the Fins game because he wants to come here. He may get frustrated and whiny from time to time but those are traits which Tuna is very good at eliminating (Terry Glen\she anybody). Nobody has ever accussed him of being lazy in prep or in execution. With Johnson on one side and Ginn on the other and Lorenzo Booker comming out of the backfield ANY quaterback would look good.

1:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice that the Hearld reports were first on this one!!!!

good job guys!

1:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Taylor next to go!

1:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just heard that Jim "Crash" Jensen enjoyed playing so much in that Orange Bowl game a couple weeks ago, that he's been training to come back! Apparently he's still got it, and plans to join the Dolphins within the coming offseason. Awesome. (Or, at least, according to my Madden game, of which I created a 44 year old player named Jim Jensen, and gave him the nod as our starting QB. He did pretty good, until ending his career in week 3 with "neck and back spasms." His final stats were, 3 TD's and 13 INT's, with a long play of 17 yards.)
By the way, also according to my Madden game... in the year 2017 New England will be relocated to Mexico, and renamed the "Mexico Mexicans." HAHAHA!

1:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking of David Martin, what's he still doing on the team? He would've been the first player I released.

1:54 PM  
Anonymous dolfanman13 said...

I agree. We have so many needs on this team right now that it would be stupid to give up high draft picks for these two guys. We need to build through the draft!

10:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

swap first round picks in a trade that includes chad johnson. bring shockey n he wont b playing for the big blue next season

11:50 AM  

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