Does Adrian Peterson drop to the Dolphins?
The latest scuttlebutt from the misdirection mongers in the NFL is that Oklahoma star running back Adrian Peterson is dropping, dropping, dropping like Enron stock.
Four years ago, some scouts were saying Peterson could make the jump from high school to the NFL. Then he went out and rushed for 4,000some yards at Oklahoma and only last month all the draft gurus had this gifted player rated among the top 5 in this coming draft.
But today there is talk that Peterson's stock has plummeted. Suddenly the same folks that ripped Brady Quinn for getting too much credit as a system-quarterback at Notre Dame are ripping Peterson for being a system-running back at Oklahoma.
I don't make this stuff up, folks. I don't have that vivid an imagination.
So all of a sudden scouts and a couple of GMs are saying that Peterson might drop past Cleveland at No. 3 and be available for Miami at No. 9. Their reasoning for such a fall is that the Houston Texans are no longer at the No. 8 spot to catch a freefalling Peterson from reaching Miami.
Yes, the Texans need a running back but four weeks ago they swapped spots with Atlanta in the Matt Schaub trade. Houston is now at No. 10 while Atlanta is at No. 8.
And with Washington (Clinton Portis), Arizona (Edgerrin James), Tampa Bay (Cadillac Williams), and Detroit (Kevin Jones) apparently not in the market for a franchise running back, the chances of Peterson falling to the Dolphins is considered real should Cleveland pass on him.
The only team that would be seriously tempted to take Peterson before Miami, assuming Cleveland passes, is Minnesota. They've got Chester Taylor and Mewelde Moore, both of whom averaged over 4 yards a carry last year. But there is no certainty they'll go in that direction.
This, however, is certain: If Peterson is there, the Dolphins take him, assuming someone like Brady Quinn or JaMarcus Russell are already off the board.
Think that's crazy, considering the Dolphins drafted Ronnie Brown two years ago and are likely to get Ricky Williams back this season? Maybe it is.
But I've been told the Dolphins are not going to fall into the trap of counting on Ricky Williams ever again. They'll love it if he's back this year, they'll love it if he's a solid citizen, they'll love it if he succeeds. But they don't want to depend on the guy.
They depended on him in 2004 and he failed them.
They depended on him for 2006 and he failed them.
Morever, the guy is approaching 30 years old and has missed two of the last three seasons. So there is no guarantee he's the 2001-2002 Ricky Williams everyone remembers.
So what do you think? How would Adrian Peterson suit the Dolphins?
Four years ago, some scouts were saying Peterson could make the jump from high school to the NFL. Then he went out and rushed for 4,000some yards at Oklahoma and only last month all the draft gurus had this gifted player rated among the top 5 in this coming draft.
But today there is talk that Peterson's stock has plummeted. Suddenly the same folks that ripped Brady Quinn for getting too much credit as a system-quarterback at Notre Dame are ripping Peterson for being a system-running back at Oklahoma.
I don't make this stuff up, folks. I don't have that vivid an imagination.
So all of a sudden scouts and a couple of GMs are saying that Peterson might drop past Cleveland at No. 3 and be available for Miami at No. 9. Their reasoning for such a fall is that the Houston Texans are no longer at the No. 8 spot to catch a freefalling Peterson from reaching Miami.
Yes, the Texans need a running back but four weeks ago they swapped spots with Atlanta in the Matt Schaub trade. Houston is now at No. 10 while Atlanta is at No. 8.
And with Washington (Clinton Portis), Arizona (Edgerrin James), Tampa Bay (Cadillac Williams), and Detroit (Kevin Jones) apparently not in the market for a franchise running back, the chances of Peterson falling to the Dolphins is considered real should Cleveland pass on him.
The only team that would be seriously tempted to take Peterson before Miami, assuming Cleveland passes, is Minnesota. They've got Chester Taylor and Mewelde Moore, both of whom averaged over 4 yards a carry last year. But there is no certainty they'll go in that direction.
This, however, is certain: If Peterson is there, the Dolphins take him, assuming someone like Brady Quinn or JaMarcus Russell are already off the board.
Think that's crazy, considering the Dolphins drafted Ronnie Brown two years ago and are likely to get Ricky Williams back this season? Maybe it is.
But I've been told the Dolphins are not going to fall into the trap of counting on Ricky Williams ever again. They'll love it if he's back this year, they'll love it if he's a solid citizen, they'll love it if he succeeds. But they don't want to depend on the guy.
They depended on him in 2004 and he failed them.
They depended on him for 2006 and he failed them.
Morever, the guy is approaching 30 years old and has missed two of the last three seasons. So there is no guarantee he's the 2001-2002 Ricky Williams everyone remembers.
So what do you think? How would Adrian Peterson suit the Dolphins?
posted by Armando Salguero at 1:34 PM
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This make no sense to me. The Dolphins have much greater needs than RB. Why would the spend a top 10 pick at RB when they just drafted a very solid one in the top 5 two years ago. Wouldn't it be a better idea to spend a high first round pick on a position where you actually need help? If he is THAT much of a play maker that the Fins would spend their pick on Peterson, then why would another one of the top 8 teams do it?
It gets back to the take the best player available, if he is it, you can never had enough good running backs, if Trent Geen is traded, he will need a strong running game to be successful. Hopefully put more emphasis on retooling the offensive line either through the draft or with the players the dolphins currently have.
If he's the best player available when Miami picks then there is no reason they shouldn't draft him. He's good insurance in case Ricky flakes out again or somebody gets hurt. Also, if Peterson turns out to be the real deal then Miami could probably nab a nice draft pick (or two) next year for Ronnie Brown.
- Dolfanman13
if peterson drops to nine you trade down with houston and let them take him. Then take levi brown the tackle from penn state and get a 2 rounder to pick a quarterback or someone else we need. We don't need another running back. period!
KC didn't need Larry Johnson they had Priest Holmes.....
New Orleans didn't need McCalister they had Ricky....
Indy had two backs this year.
Steelers had 2 backs last year.
Ronnie's great, but recent history shows that having 2 guys in the back field is even better.
plus with all the picks we have we can get plenty of linemen and a qb later.
At first glance, this sounds crazy. And no doubt there will be cries for Mueller's head if he were to draft Peterson.
But if the scouts and "experts" are right about him, Peterson is going to be the next great running back in the NFL. And given the precarious spot the No. 9 pick is, and given the fact that the FO is not in love with Levi Brown and the fact that many feel WR Ted Ginn Jr. is a big risk to take at 9 and given the fact that Peterson is ranked in the top 5 in this year's draft prospect class ... it's not all that crazy.
There are needs aplenty on the Fins. So it'll all come down to drafting to fill needs or drafting the best player available. It's an interesting little argument Armando makes here.
If Peterson drops to the Fins at 9, you trade the pick with Green Bay or Houston, not with Buffalo, AFC east need I say more. If they drop to Houston's 10th pick (and also get their 3rd round choice)draft Levi Brown or to Green Bay's 16th pick (get their 2nd round pick), draft a Ted Ginn Jr in the first. Then the fish have three 2nd round draft choices to pick an offensive tackle, a quarterback, and a safety. Oh and this guy is nuts who thinks we need two to three franchise running backs.
Peterson would definitely be the best player available at number 9. He averaged over 5 yards per carry for 3 consecutive seasons at Oklahoma. He is a stud. He would be tough to pass up, maybe impossible.
The best thing that could happen here is that someone would covet him and we could pick up a an extra couple of picks by moving down. I agree we cannot depend on Ricky. He has let us down and we all know the old rule; screw me once your fault, screw me twice my fault. Depending on Ricky is a fools game.
If we can't trade down then I would grab the guy. With Ronnie and Adrian in the back field you're looking at some serious fire power. I agree we have other needs but I have to go with the best player theory.
I would have said this was crazy a few weeks ago. But now I get the feeling Mueller's trying to set us up for this exact scenario recently. He's mentioned McCalister and Williams every chance he's been given. I agree with others here, though, and would much rather trade down if possible.
If Peterson is the BPA available when #9 rolls around, that pick will have good value. Trade it to HOU or GB and pick up an extra first day pick or two. Having two good backs is great, but it's a luxury. When you have to improve the overall talent on your team, spending 2 top 10 picks in 3 years on the same position isn't the way to do it.
It has nothing to do with counting on Ricky, if he's available this year, that's great, but he's also a luxury.
I would like to see Ronnie have a full season where he is not asked to "platoon". Even last year Sammy Morris came in on a lot of 3rd down passing situations, even though, in my opinion, Ronnie is a better receiver out of the backfield. Even with missing 3.5 games with his broken hand, he gained 1000+ yards. Tampa Bay should be more interested in Peterson as a supplement to Cadillac than Miami for Ronnie. Also, Atlanta might take Peterson as an eventual replacement for Warrick Dunn.
Mickey
honestly...i just want brady quinn...supposenly cameron is in love with the kid...make a move to get him...
Stupid idea. If Quinn and Russell arent there, we'll take Levi Brown. If hes not not there either, we'll take Troy Smith or Ted Ginn Jr.
The Dolphins have greater needs than a top-notch RB, yes. BUT having two top RBs is ideal situation for and QB. Screen-pass left, screen-pass right.
Also Cameron likes Brady Quinn... he wants Brady Quinn... but I have read that Cameron also likes Trent Edwards (QB Stanford) - that Cameron is high on both players.
It is nice knowing the coach has choices... quality choices.
Given my choice, Brady Quinn makes the most sense... move-up at a reasonable price to Detroit's #2 slot and draft him. But we can not force Detroit's hand... so the Dolphins have choices.
I hope they make the right choice.
Armando, I was pondering the exact same thing to day while I was looking over some mock drafts. We have to take Peterson if he is there. He is an elite prospect, the best running back prospect to come out since LT. We have to take him. Everyone who disagrees, goto the foxsports website and look at his highlights. His explosion is incredible. On any play he can score. He has been the greatest runningback prospect since he was a freshman. You can't pass on him. Mueller won't, he didn't pass on Duece in New Orleans. He won't pass on Adrian in Miami.
I have no problem with Adrian Peterson coming to Miami. He has had some injury issues but is much more of a playmaker then Ronnie Brown. While I love Ronnie and think he will eventually be great, he ahsn't done much yet and Peterson is a better prospect. However, for this to happen. We need to have a deal set up to trade Ronnie for a 2nd and 3rd round draft picks later on. Maybe a team like the Titans will bite on that.
I don't see the point in giving first round money to two runningbacks. I think they could easily find a running back using a second day pick. The Dolphins would be way better off addressing another need. Perhaps if Adrian Peterson does fall to #9 they can use that as a way to trade down and acquire a few more picks.
Armando, if Washington, Arizona, Tampa Bay and Detroit are not in the market for a franchise RB, why are we???
Getting a RB first is a bad idea. Dolphins have alot of holes. They need OL, QB, DL, DB's and maybe even a WR.
You dont't have to depend on RW since having him is pretty much gravy. He's cheap and he a backup. There are very few backup RBs that can do what he can do on the field.
Besides, you can still draft a RB in the later rounds.
I think a push for Quinn without breaking the bank would be worth a shot. If not, Levi Brown, Amobi Okoye or Ted Ginn, Jr. would help the Fins start the Cameron era to a good start.
Go Fins!!!!!
Well, if this scenario works as stated, why not take Peterson with the 9th OA and TRADE Ronnie to houston for thier 1st round selection (or 2nd and 3rd, better).
God, give peace to the families of the Virginia tech slayings.
While I am not all that convinced Peterson will be available at 9, if he is, we have to take him. Brown has shown that he is not worth the #2 pick that we made him and if need be, he can hang around to give Adrian a breather when he needs one, but one thing is for sure, Adrian is a much much better all around back than Ronnie.
As for Ricky, if he comes back, bye bye Ronnie, you have now become the 3rd best back on a team that is currently suffering at the possition. Ricky has proven he can be great, but as we all know, we cannot count on him for long-term success. As a 2nd back, he would provide the explosivness that would complement Adrians shifty moves.
One way or another, with all our current needs having more priority, if Adrian is there, we have to take him. Ronnie isn't going to get us anywhere by himself.
With R.Brown and A.Peterson together in the Fins backfield,the quarterback(whomever he may be)is exponentially better!
I'm not a big advocate of the "best player available" theory. That should only apply to a team that is chock full of talent in all positions, or close to it. This gives them the luxury of picking whoever they want.
Teams that have a lot of holes to fill should pick by need. It doesn't make any sense to pick a running back, if that's the BPA, when you need 3 guys on the OL to block for him, or a QB to hand it to him. So you have 3 great RB's? Big deal. Wake the kids, call the neighbors. If that's all you have, you will go nowhere. What happens if they go to pick again and the BPA is another running back? Yeah, that's what I thought - they would abandon that theory and pick for a need, just like they should be doing.
They look like they will have 10 picks. It would be more efficient if they used them to plug holes. I can't imagine having 3 running backs and no offensive line, and STILL no QB. That would be just plain stupid.
I would trade down, and use that position to draft a QB. Then start grabbing every offensive lineman I can get my hands on. And a receiver, and defensive line. Isn't that what we need?
Oh, and one more thing. The only way I would draft Peterson at 9, is if I already had a draft day deal to trade Ronnie or Ricky, say for a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Al Davis would trade for Ricky in a heartbeat, everyone knows that. Now this would make sense, because it would be an upgrade to Ronnie if he's traded, or it would upgrade Ricky and his shenanigans. But for value's sake, no lower because we've already burned 3 1st round picks for 2 running backs. Getting a 2nd or 3rd back (or possibly an additional one for next year) would get something in return. But not unless I had my price, otherwise I pass.
Food for thought.
This is the dumbest thought I have seen regarding the draft ever!! Why would Miami draft Peterson? Ronnie is a better back than anyone on the rosters of Oakland, Detroit, Cleveland, Tampa Bay, Minnesota, and Atlanta. Edge and Portis/Betts are the only two that might be better. If one of those 6 teams doesn't feel the need to take him, then why should we? Ricky will be back to provide a 1-2 punch and they can use a mid round pick to take another RB.
Hey Armando, Adrian Peterson would be an interesting pick for the Dolphins. I mean what an amazing combination he and Ronnie Brown would make. However, if Adrian is there at number nine, I think the Dolphins will try and see if Green Bay will trade up for AP's services and we could score some more picks in the process. It's going to be an interesting draft!
This blog rocks!
ok when was the last time we had a good offence????? when we had a good qb(MARINO).soo lets go get a qb!!!!!!! draft one please!!
adrian peterson is good. probably better than ronnie. but not better than ricky.
ricky, much like daunte, is vastly underappreciated. by dolphin sportswriters such as yourself.
that said, i still am having a hard time understanding the trent green instead of daunte movemement underway -- it just reeks of a bad direction for the dolphins in the years ahead. i mean, really, you pick up a damaged knee qb who is 37 going on museums instead of a qb who has a similar knee problem but is 29 and once considered one of the top 3 qbs in football.
i am completlely floored at how stupid dolphin people are nowadays. i wonder what shula would say, after all, its the shula era that made me a fan and now am seriously doubting we will see a shula-like era ever again in dolphinland.
and then, armando, your write up practically a cheer for the trent green venture! incredible. maybe you should think about moving to a new city, ehh.
RB or DT (see any mock draft) at #9? We can't continue to neglect the QB & OL positions anymore. We can't win without solving those problems. BPA is a luxury that we cannot afford. BPA is fine for good teams not bad teams whose only two strengths already are RB and Def front 7. How do some people not see that?
I agree Jimmy, why waste another draft pick on another retread, 37 years old with serious concussion. I'd rather go w/ DC and 1st day pick.
Brendan
Somebody said "When was the last time we had a good offense? When we had Marino."
When was the last time we won a Super Bowl? Csonka, Morris, Kiick. And the best offensive line in the league.
Who was better, Greise or Marino? Who wears a ring?
As Cameron said when he was hired - A football is built from the inside - out. That means o-line, rb, dl, lb and s.
Now, check our current roster. We already have 5 WR's better than Howard Twilley was. Martin and Peelle are comparable to Fleming and Mandich. Don't be stupid with trying to overpay for Trent Green. Don't cut Culpepper until he is healthy enough to trade. Live with Lemon for a year until out 2nd or 3rd round QB pick is ready.
Wait till you see guys like Fred Evans, Rodrique Wright, Manny Wright, Kevin Vickerson, Biamila, Jason Allen (playing only CB) and Joey Porter on an IMPROVED AND SIMPLIFIED DEFENSE stick it to other teams' offenses.
Either pick Peterson, or trade down for more picks. But use those picks on O-Line, QB, RB, LB (we are getting old there) and especially safety. Bell and Hill are not good enough.
I have the confidence/hope that Meuller and Cameron see the roster and our needs in the same way.
One of the best scenarios that can happen for us is to have Peterson fall to 9.
I'm positive that some team (Buffalo or Green Bay) would be willing to give up a fortune to be lucky enough to take the future Hall of Fame running back (if he stays healthy I predict he will be) off our hands. And if the phone doesn't ring, we just drafted ourselves a future HOF RB.
So, why trade the pick if you regard Peterson with such esteem? Simple. Even the best RBs in the game need holes to run through. Ask Edgerrin James.
We need an offensive line. Trading down in the draft will allow us to secure yet another first day pick while giving Mueller the courage to make the reach he would never make at 9, Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan.
Miami brass is enamored with this 300 lbs former tight end who ran a low 4.8 at his pro day. This kid is pure Houck material and I'm willing to bet the farm that coach is salivating all kinds of secretions for the opportunity to coach this kid.
You take him, it would be like the 74 Dolphins.
Peterson would be Mercury Morris and Ronnie would be conska...
I wouldn't mind it a bit, yes I know ronnie isn't a fb... but for some plays it could work out that way.
OFFENSIVE LINE! In Miami's case this is redundant. Doesn't matter who's running the ball if he's getting hit in the backfield. Doesn't matter who's trying to pass if the pocket is collapsing faster than a Fins Fans' sphincter in Foxboro. How many replays did we see last year, the Miami QB dropping back to pass and the first thing he sees is his Guard flying past him in the opposite direction? Washington's got The Hogs. The Dolphins got The Tuna Net. These guys block like a bunch of girls, just got their nails done. It all starts up front. This is a football cliche. At some point the Miami braintrust has to remember this.
armando, if you believe the Fish would actually take Peterson then [add insult here]. You know this is the time of misinformation. You shouldn't even pretend this might happen. Two very good backs with no QB, no consistent WR, no TE, and no OL - makes no sense.
If the Dolphins take Peterson, I wouldn't have a problem with it. If he's the next LT. Or we have a situation like New Orleans. Mccalister and Bush. That work out pretty good for them last year!
Armando, if the draft falls like this:
1) Russell
2) Adams
3) Quinn
4) Johnson
5) Thomas
6) Okoye
7) Anderson
8) Landry
...the Dolphins will be looking at Peterson, Brown, Ginn, and perhaps Olsen as their best options. Peterson would easily have the highest grade, though at the lowest need position.
Mueller would have to set aside his "value first" philosophy big time to pick one of the other guys. I just do not see him doing that.
Other teams know this, too. Would another team look to trade with the Dolphins to get to Peterson?
Perhaps. But I am thinking that Peterson will not get past the Dolphins.
Don't forget that Mueller was the Saints GM who took Deuce when he had Ricky. That move worked out pretty good for them. He dealt Ricky once, he'd do it again because he knows Ricky is not dependable.
Cameron would be thrilled to have Peterson. An elite weapon on a team with a dearth of them.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if this happened and Ronnie Brown became a high value trade next season given what Randy did with Ricky and Deuce Mcallister in New Orleans but my feeling is Cleveland take Peterson at #3. I still think best move Miami can make is to trade up for Brady Quinn, he'll be the guy we're all clamering for and I think the fins will regret it if they don't grab him in the draft, this is the year when they need to do absolutely what is necessary to grab a franchise QB, plenty of picks left to shore up the OL if we grab him at #6.
Absolutly you take him. Now you have the cards on your table.You could trade Ronnie for a 1st round pick like Green bay( Looking for running back). And take a guy like Levi brown( if he is still there) or Joe Staley. Now you walk away with Peterson and Brown or Staley in the 1st round. Peterson is the best running back to come out in a long time.Ronnie is a good player but Peterson could be great.More explosion and better instincts.
this is the plan fin fans. trade our 1st and 4th round picks for a later 1st and a 2nd rd pick. then select tedd ginn jr. or UM TE gregg olsen(either one alone will make the o-line better because he will stretch the defense). then use a second round pick to select trent edwards, stanford (who is probably the smartest QB in the draft, he just did not have the same type of coaching at that level as say a quinn who had wise the tom brady maker). then select UM safety brandon meriwether (who can come right in and start because he has been in a pro system.) then pick up a either jason hill wr washington st or ben patrick te delaware (depending on which way we went in the 1st round). the o-line men can wait only because when you have a offensive mastermine (coach cameron) an o-line guru (coach hauck) a good RB (ronnie) a good recieveing core (chambers, booker, ginn jr,hagan and hakim) and a smart QB (trent green or stanford grade trent edwards) your o-line does not need to be all that proven. we can also use the next wave of free agency to get some adequate o-linemen. besides if we dont get the top two all the rest fit in the same mold as potential, only two linemen are cant miss prospects. and much later pick up this really speedy guy named yamon figurs wr kansas st. project but arent they all.
I see a lot of short sighted thinking around here. Let's face it Rome will not be built in one draft. We need to look the best players and if we end up with Ricky, Ronnie and AP then we do exactly what Mueller did in NO. Remember??? Traded Ricky to some lame team for 2 1st round picks...
I see virtually no chance of this. As much as the team has needs, another starting calibre RB is not one of them. Justifying paying top 10 money for a non-need position is absurd. If someone wants him bad enough, it might enable the Fins to trade down a few spots and address a more need position.
Everyone keeps saying Mueller drafted Deuce when he already had Ricky but that was a different situation. Look at what place Deuce fell into their hands - No 31 overall and that is not the case in this years draft. Afterall, Cameron is going after Green who is also going to have the same problems that Daunte faced because of mobility. How is Green going to avoid the sacks when we don't have a decent offensive line. Don't forget Green just had a severe concussion and he's going to be 37 and he's not mobile so adding Green to the roster and letting Culpepper go would be just the same thing. I think Levi Brown makes the best sense if Brady Quinn is not available at No. 9 spot and then draft a QB in second round. That way, you get a good OT and a decent QB.
I think this is rediculous! Don't get me wrong, Adrian Peterson may be the second best play-maker in the draft, but a great runnign abck si nothign without its offensive line, i completely agree with stave on this one...they ahve many more needs of concern that they should adress with that number 9 spot...why not trade up with detroit and get Calvin Johnson before Tampa does? or rade up and get Brady Quinn?
I'd personally rather see Ronnie Brown go and have Peterson in his place. I was never too impressed by Ronnie Brown and the Phins were unlucky enough to be drafting 2nd in the first round in a draft that was weak. Brown is from the Saban era and was only picked because Saban favored SEC players. To me, Brown hasn't proven himself to be a featured back and it's shown the past 2 years. The first year he did well with Ricky, and last year as we saw he struggled. Looking at him move out of the backfield isn't as pretty as Peterson moving out the backfield. If you guys don't think Peterson is a beast, look on youtube for some of his highlights, I guarantee you'll be salivating over this kid. Cleveland would be stupid to pass on Peterson, but if they do and he's around when the Phins have to pick, then pick him and deal Brown to Green Bay.
Unless he comes here for nothing, forget about acquiring Trent Green. Draft a rookie and play him from day one - and these are the reasons:
SEPT. 16 vs Dallas Cowboys: Good opening day match up for the Defense & Running game to man-up and support the Rookie QB.
Sept. 23 at J-E-T-S: The Rookie QB starts to develop a natural hatred for Gang Green.
Sept. 30 vs Oakland Raiders: Wouldn’t it be great if our Rookie outplays J. Russell?
Oct. 7 at Texans: By now Texans could easily be 0-4 and under constant pressure from Reliant boo-birds.
Oct. 14 at Browns: Wouldn’t it be great if our Rookie outplays Brady Quinn?
Oct 21 vs NE Patriots: Quick, re-implement Sept. 16 game plan!
Oct. 28 at London Giants: Unique experience for a rookie QB to build on.
Nov. 11 vs Bills: Seven games under his belt and coming after a bye weekend. Wasn’t this around the same time that Phillip Rivers was beginning to come into his own?
Nov. 18 at Eagles: Imagine the storyline if McNabb was out and AJ Feeley started and threw for 3 picks! This while our rookie shinned.
Nov. 26 at Steelers: Our Rookie QB’s first primetime game is overshadowed by Joey Porter drama. Good for him!
Dec. 2 vs J-E-T-S: NBA makes the mistake of scheduling the two time defending champion Miami Heat in the same time slot. As a result, American Airlines Arena is empty – except for Jimmy Buffet.
Dec. 9 at Bills: ‘Fins have momentum after JET’s victory. Ronnie & Ricky carry the day.
Dec. 16 vs Baltimore Ravens: Cam…Randy…Please, please! Don’t let this be a match-up between 2 teams with similar aging QB’s and defenses, with strong running games.
Dec. 23 at Patriots: For division crown and a chance to make the playoffs. Today, the Rookie is a Rookie no more.
Dec. 30 vs Cincinnati Bengals: JETS who? Porter shows us how he does rivalries.
AP is a nappy-headed ho.
I can only hope that this happens, and if it does, it would be a great opportunity to trade down (which is what I think we should be doing anyway). Having a RB of the quality of AP would guarantee a trade partner with picks to spend. Honestly, we need the picks in order to try and make up for five years of horrible drafting.
I dont think you use a #9 pick on an O-lineman, unless he is a sure-fire stud (Joe Thomas). Levi Brown is nowhere near being a guaranteed star at the pro-level, and to pick him at such a high spot would be very risky and reduce the value of this pick.
Irrespective of what your needs are, I think you pick the best player available at such a high draft choice; so if AP is available, then take him. You can never have too many superstars on one team; you can always reap the benefits of their value in the trade market, and fill your needs that way.
I do feel like the Dophins' goal this draft should be to fill holes, so I say trade down, or trade AP for more first day draft picks and pick up as many quality players as possible, targeting the OL, QB, WR and DT spots.
Taking the best player available is Muellers bread and butter. He made teams like Seattle and New Orleans better by doing just that. Go get em Randy! PS Are the Chiefs insane?! "A 2nd and 7th rounder is not to much to ask for a starting quaterback". WHAT!!? A starting qb that they are so down on they are starting Damon freakin Huard over him. A starting QB with a major concussion. A starting QB who is 37! Just wait until they release him. If not go with Lemon and draft someone else. Just dont let K.C. rip us off please.
WE NEED OFFENSIVE LINEMAN TO RUN THE BALL!! WILL WE EVER DEVELOP A DOMINANT O-LINE???? ITS THE KEY TO SUCCESS IN THE NFL. ANY HALF DECENT RB,WR,QB CAN LOOK AMAZING BEHIND A DOMINANT LINE
Assuming Thomas,Quinn and Russell are gone and Peterson is available he would be an excellent choice for Miami.Peterson would represent a significant upgrade to our backfield.Think we could get a first rounder for Ronnie Brown?
WOULDNT QUINN LOOK GREAT IN A DOLPHIN UNIFORM?? IF THEY FINS REALLY WANT TO GET RID OF DAUNTE THEN TRADE HIM AND THEIR #9 PICK AND POSSIBLY ANOTHER PICK TO THE LIONS FOR THIER #2 PICK... I THINK THE LIONS WOULD TAKE IT...RONNIE WILL BE FINE AS LONG AS OUR O LINE GETS BETTER...HE MISSED 3 GAMES LAST YEAR AND HE STILL PASSED 1000 YARDS SO HE CAN GET THE JOB DONE THE GUY IS A BEAST...
You can never have too many great players, I dont care if they are all at the same position. Take the best player available, even if it is a position of power.
Anytime that a team can draft a player they rate as a "Franchise Player" you take him no matter what. Look at what Mueller was able to do by taking Deuce McAllister.The next year he fleeced us for 2 number 1's. And he used the first one on DE Charles Grant, a very good DE.
I think Adrian Peterson could be that type of back. Don't get me wrong, I think Ronnie has that type of potential as well, but 2 Franchise Running backs is not a bad thing to have in the NFL.
I am in the Draft Brady camp, but the reality is if AP falls to #9, it is because someone in front of you, probably Cleveland, took Quinn already. In that case you draft Peterson.
What? are you kidding me, I would take hom in a heart beat! Always take the best player availible. You put him and ronnie together and POW!!!! I could only wish!
I didn't have time to read all the responses so if this is a repeat I apologize.
What about salary cap implications down the road of having two top-tier running backs? Running backs command more in guranteed money than do linemen, linebackers, ect.
So in my mind having both Brown and Petersen might be too much of a financial burden to the team. More burden than productivity.
There is only one ball to carry.
A lot of dumb Dolfans..
TIME TO SECOND GUESS, ARMANDO! THE DOLPHIN MANAGEMENT ARE FOOLS.
He's not going to be right every time, just like I'm not going to be right every time. We're committed at not going down that road of second-guessing each other.''
-- CamCameron
If AP fell to 9th and I had to make the pick, I would first trade to trade for more picks. If I can't get another to to bite, the yes I would take him.
I watch a lot of Big 12 football. AP is a great back. However, he brakes a lot too. I have almost much faith of him making it through a the season as I do Ricky.
We need a dependable QB and OL first. Then with one of those 7th round picks, I would grab Jon Cornish as my #3 back. Anyone who can gain 1500+ yards in the Big 12 with the Kansas OL would fit great with what we have now.
I have watched every game AD has played in, and also I can attest to his physical and mental capabilities. If AD is available you have to take him period! He can and will make any Quarteback look better. The only querk about him is is quest for more physical indurance.
Ok lets cut the BS. The dolphins are rebuilding. Lets take the player available in every round.Had we done that in the past we would not be in the position we are in today. I believe Peterson is the 2nd best player after Johnson. If he is there we take him or use our interest as leverage to trade down.Maybe during the draft we can salvage a draft pick for Ricky or Ronnie.Lets not focus on positions but on the best player we can get for our pick.Keep on doing this and we'll have a very talented team in a couple of years with alot of trade bait.
I havent read one person say anything about trading down to get the REAL player Miami needs, screw Quinn, hell no on Peterson, Levi is not the answer..WHAT ABOUT THOMAS???????? He is a 10 year left tackle that would fill the most glaring need the dolphins have..the freaking offensive line people!!!!!!!
You're an idiot. We need a QB, OL, WR, & TE. We have 2 very good RB's. What are we going to do with another one and NO Offensive Line.
You're an idiot. What are we going to do with another RB and No QB, OL, WR, or TE. Let's not forget the need in the Def. backfield either. We need a good QB and Offensive Line first. Did you ever play football? Do you know anything about the game or do you just repeat crap that somebody else has said?
How many seasons has Ronnie played?
2
How many seasons has Ronnie missed games due to injury?
2
How many dependable veteran backup RBs do we have currently on the roster?
0
IF we are still sitting at 9th spot and Peterson is available, the math says take him.
This whole idea that you don't draft OL high in the first round unless they're going to be Hall of Famers just seems idiotic to me. Isn't that why we're in the position we are in right now b/c the Fins haven't bothered spending any high picks on this unit for a decade??? I say grab a couple OL in the first few rounds. And, i don't think Levi Brown is a big stretch at #9. That might be a couple slots higher than he merits...but he'll be gone in the first 15 picks for sure. I say grab him and then grab another big nasty just like him later in the second or early third if possible.
If Peterson is there trade the pick.....not to Buffalo, either take him or best case trade it to Houston, but do not let Buffalo get him! I am not sure if Houston has a second left....but their first and second would be the deal...then draft Ted Ginn Jr., go O-line, d-line, Stanton or Edwards all in the second....we do that and we are in business....we may have to flip flop seconds with Houston their 39th for our 60th or maybe give them our third for our second, but I would do that in a heart beat....I would love to get the 10th, 39th, and 40th picks!!!
What's this about Ronnie Brown being a franchise back? Nothing personal to him, but he's adequate at best. Put it this way - if Ronnie was entering this year's draft, would he be a #2 pick overall? Even top 10? Even top 20? Maybe the top 20, but that's it.
My personal opinion is that it's all moot, because Peterson will be playing for the Vikings in 2007.
Remember Billy Milner? Remember Eddie Blake? Remember Tony Mandrich? Remember Kenetta Walker? Remember Robert Gallery? Should I go on?
The point is OL is no different than any other position. If you have any doubt that Levi Brown is not worth the 9th pick, you pick the guy you believe is. When you reach for a need you usually make a mistake.
Edge is about 97 years old and sucked last year. Totally sucked. Arizona would be crazy to pass on him if he's there. Imagine that team with their QB and WRs adding a superstar RB.
But should he fall to #9, take him. Ricky is also about 97 years old.
MARK THESE WORDS:
SCOTT LINEHAN IS A GREAT COACH. THE ST. LOUIS RAMS WILL BE IN THE SUPER BOWL SOON, MUCH SOONER THAN THE DOLPHINS EVER WILL AT THIS RATE.
MINOR, MCMIKE, DONNIE J., NOW RICKY AND LATER DAUNTE.
ITS GONNA HAPPEN, AND THE RANDYDANDYCAM SHOW IS GOING TO BE YESTERDAYS NEWS WHEN THEY FALL FLAT ON THEIR FACE AFTER DESTROYING THE TEAM.
Peterson at 9 is trade bait at best.
Heres an idea if Ricky is the issue.
BRIAN LEONARD!
TONY HUNT!
As for the first pick, lets try Landry if available.
Brady Quinn will be our first pick!
troy smith at number 9? i dont know who that was that said that.
but what are you on?
Happy 4/20 everyone!
You guys are being way, way to hard on Ronnie....correct me if I am wrong, but didn't he rush for 1,008 yeards last year...in his SECOND YEAR??? Not to mention he was out with a broken hand....if we get any sort of offensive line I am guessing he will be a 1500 yead back and I hope he makes you all eat it....know your stats before you bash someone....and by the way he almost had 1,000 as a rookie but Ricky cut in on his carries....trade Ronnie Brown....what a joke!!!!!
Culebra..what's shakin?
Agree (almost) totally...if no one calls, keep Peterson...he is MUCH better than Ronnie, who has had just as many injury issues as Peterson.
If Houston or Green Bay calls, do what all the OTHER GM's in the league do...make outrageous demands...(like Carl Peterson for Trent Green...geez, that guy lost his job to a grocery bag boy.
If they don't give us what we want...keep him, trade Ricky for a pick or 2 next year, depending on performance.
One thing...too bad the 'Joe" we need won't be there...Thomas
Looking back at all the busts we have had with our first rounders I would definitely pick Peterson if he were there.
Hell we picked John Avery in the first so I don't think we can do worse then that.
Unless it's a smoke screen, our staff has been reported to have little if no interest in Levi Brown. The youngster failed to impress.
Again, perhaps it's the old slight of hand, but I doubt it. There no need. If we want Brown, he'll be there at 9.
Imawriter, Joe Thomas would be a wet dream- or perhaps I enjoy this game a little more than I should.
I've seen this monster rumble 15 yards down field to maul a linebacker. But Staley, with the right coaching (and we've got the best in the business) could be just as good.
See, the one thing you can't coach in this game, or any for that matter, is athleticism- speed/agility relative to size/strength. It's the reason Calvin Johnson is the ultimate blue-chip prospect. I don't have the vocabulary to express to you the insanity of a 6'5 239 lbs wide-out who runs a 4.35. It boggles the mind. Not only does he tower over the average CB in the NFL, but he out-weights them by 20 lbs and run just as fast if not faster.
Joe Thomas is 6'6, 311, runs a 4.92. Joe Staley? 6'5, 306, 4.82.
Now, I constantly get criticized amongst friends by placing such an emphasis on what these athletes do in shirts and shorts. Especially since there have been techniques practiced, perfected, and promoted since '89/'90 aimed at "cheating" on drills in the combine/pro days that have now spawned multi-million dollar training facilities where any agent worth a red cent will splurge on come January/February for their clients.
But just as there have been players to impress at the combine/pro days and detest in the NFL, have there been those that thrived on college tape only to deteriote amidst professional competition. A GM walks a fine line.
I admantly believe in the power of edification for I, myself, perhaps as many of you, have been a victim of both phenomenal and objectional instruction. And I can whole-heartedly impart that the right tutor can make a life long impact.
Hudson Houck is elite. Make no mistake about it, he's the best in the business. Let him institute his flawless technique in a vessel such as Joe Staley's and I promise you the product will make it difficult to recall the name Richmond Webb.
If Peterson were there the dolphins would take him in a heart beat if the phones don't ring off the hook. Mueller took Mcallister in the first round when he had Williams. The phins would certainly ship Ricky off to the Rams. But I think the phones would be ringing and the Phins trade down to GB or Pitt. I think they would take Peterson before trading with the Texans unless Houston offered their 4th round pick because if Peterson is available it probably means Levi Brown and Quinn are gone.
If the phins were to take Peterson then Ronnie Brown would be shipped off next year if Peterson produces. I don't think a franchise can afford the cost of two top 10 RBs. The Saints did it but McAllister was picked at 23 and they shipped Ricky off a year or so later.
In this league you need two rb's to be successful, and if the dolphins were to select ap that would easily put them in the top 5 tandems without ricky, with maybe the best group. We have questions at qb right now and if so we now have two backs to carry the load if not three. Cameron knows what a great RB tandem can do for a team as he had the great LT and Michael Burner Turner. I say if he's there you have to take him because Cameron and Mueller did say they would take the best player availble, this would force them to show their cards. Teams will always have needs and every year a team with needs wins the super bowl so if you can make a pick that makes your team that much better you have to do it, regardless if it's a need or not. So yes, take AP espicially if those two morons dump Cpep for that guy that is still feeling dizzy from that hit.
Everyone keeps ripping our O-line. Joe Thomas is worthy of the top ten, but I'm not convinced Levi is.
I like Carey, Hadnot, LJ at right guard, Liewinski at left guard, Alabi at left tackle, and we can draft some more depth in later rounds.
Ronnie is a nice back, but he's not LT, LJ, or Faulk or Edge or even Ricky in their primes. Ronnie will never be worth of his #2.
Adrian will be.
Tell me this...if Adrian turned out to be the next LT would you be pissed we took Levi or someone else of "need" instead?
Adrian is THAT talented, so you have to take him UNLESS someone is willing to OVERPAY for him. The Texans just might, but I'd want their #1 and #2 and something second day to do it. Adrian is that good.
We already have 9 or 10 picks...we don't have the cap space for too much more!
I'd rather take Adrian and then trade Ronnie NEXT year, but use he and Ronnie together for a year.
We can get O-line, WR's, and a QB in the later rounds.
if AP falls all the way to number 9 then we should take them and trade him 2 the texans for their 1st round pick and their 2nd round pick. think about that we could get amobi okoye with the tenth overall pick if we get it from the texans and then we will still have 3 picks in the 2nd round!!!!!!! then we could even trade 2 of our second round picks for a 1st rounder and target a BIG offensive lineman or maybe even michael bush or a fast receiver with good hands like robert meachem jr. the bottom line is that the dolphins have a lot of choices that could turn their franchise around if they get AP and trade him to the texans for some picks
I can't believe what I'm reading. As a Dolphan I almost "lost my lunch" with this headline. Even at 100% (which he isnt, may never be), Peterson could not help the Dolphins. Football is won at the line of scrimmage, both offense and defense. History has shown that decent QB's and RB's can appear better with an above-average line. The same applies for LB's and DB's regarding a good D-line. The last two years have shown that QB's cannot throw the ball while on their backs. Nor can RB's gain positive yards without holes being provided. With the offensive line in the shape its in, it would be a crime to draft Peterson. He may have been great in college, but with defenders becoming bigger and faster like they are, I dont think he'll improve any team except of course the Bronco's with their o-line and Shannahan's system. The Dolphins should use their 1st pick to draft Levi Brown, because of their needs. If Adrian Peterson can play tackle or guard effectively, then i say draft him, otherwise I beg the Fins' exec's to look far away from his name.
If the Dolphins are telling you they'd take Peterson, it's only so you'll write about it and help increase the trade value of the No. 9 pick in case he does fall. No question.
1st, a lot of you guys are assuming we cant take peterson AND some offensive line help.Thomas will be gone by #9. Levi Brown is a good run blocker, but a terrible pass blocker.(see senior bowl? he was a revolving door)Best option is to trade down.If we cant get good value we take Peterson,showcase Ricky in pre-season and in early games and trade him.I know Mueller and cam will be looking at tackle,guard and center throughout the draft.We are not going to win the division or go to the playoffs this year.The best thing we can do is get some talent to develop and start acquiring draft picks for next year.We should finally get some comp picks,and if we trade Ricky and Dante we could turn our team around bigtime in 2 years,even with Trent Green at qb.The only "fly in the ointment"is the age of Zach and Taylor.but both train hard and take care of themselves so they can still play outstanding football even if they slow a bit.Mueller is an intelligent guy,best persennel guy we have had in the last decade,but he is not a magician.It took 4 coaches to ruin the franchise,it will take mueller and Cam at least 2 years to bring it back..Be patient boys,we'er on the right track.
Ricky Williams is the ONLY hope the Dolphins have for success this season! Mark my words, if Ricky is a Phin, they will win! Ronnie Brown is a nice back up!
i hope they dont take an RB in the draft, when the Defense is growing old.
If Adrian Peterson if available, you trade down. Needs are the most important thing right now, not to mention an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick wouldn't hurt. Ronnie Brown surpassed 1,000 yards last season behind a miserable offensive line, with no passing offense, and he missed two games. If Ricky is back, thats enough of a one/two punch...if not, use the extra second rounder to get a Kenny Irons or someone. Needs, Needs, Needs.
I agree with you and assuming that the 2 best OTs and QBs are gone at #9(and we dont move up), I would love to see Miami pick up this RB. Read my "Is Ronnie brown is a Bust?" article at my below blog, about 3 articles down.
http://thedolphininsider.blogspot.com/
I do not for one second think Brown is a bust, but I do think you need two quality RBs on your roster to be a hi caliber playof team in the NFL these days
if peterson falls to #9 you take him. Regardless of what YOU think ! You don't pass up a player like that for Levi Brown ? What's in the freaking water...Only way you trade out of #9(Peterson) is if you're getting a Ricky Williams/Herschel Walker type of draft day deal. If you can get a 1st and second this year combined with a 1st and 3rd or second and third next year. Oh yeah throw in some mid round picks for next year too. If Peterson is there you're gonna see some real action from clubs trying to move up the board. If you don't get his worth then you take him at #9. Now hold on, calm down....you still have 2 in the second and 1 3rd round pick. With Peterson at #9 you can still get Staley(OT)Central Mich., Khalil(G/C)USC,Chris Houston(CB) Arkansas, Robert Meacham(WR)Tenn.*maybe*, Sidney Rice(WR)South Car....... there is plenty of talent. The drop off from Levi Brown to a Aaron Sears is not a lot. Oh yeah and you don't take Richmond Webb and pass up Barry Sanders....just foolish
Wow this is hard, Adrian Peterson is a unique talent, if we got him and traded ricky williams it would be a bright future for the back field and cam loves good running backs. Ted Ginn Jr would fill Wes Welkers place as the # 3 receiver and returner and is way better than welker. I like wes though sad to see him go.
Ricky Williams is one of my Fav players of all time, I just wish he would prove how good he really is. I hope they keep Ricky if they dont get AP but if Ap is there and they trade Ricky then I could deal with the youth factor.
I would love to get Brady Quinn to develop but Stanfords Qb might be there in the 2nd round as well.
Dont go O line(Vernon Carey)still developing, get free agents or simplify the play calling and pound the hell out of the running game, use screens and the old west coast offense alla Joe montana with Daunte
If Peterson is there and Brady is off the board, you take him. PERIOD. We can keep the better of the two as the backfield develops into an unstoppable force.
Oh and did someone say Olsen at #9, are you on crack? If the fins take that deadbeat I will intervene and fire Muller myself (I like to imagine I have that power in the front office)
Ok, taking peterson dosnt make sense to me, at all. If he is there you trade the pick, hands down easy call. Then you can Hopefull have 3 second round picks. QB Safety, and i say running back. but a specific one, Brian Leonard out or the rutgers. I good taem player, gave up his starting spot senior year for younger, rice. And can play fullback, an all aroun athelete, i like everything i see in him.
If the very talented Peterson did drop to number 9 there is no reason not to take him. Hes a solid running back with a lot of speed, his ability to cut cornners is incredible. If CLE does not bite it looks good for the phins until the 8th pick, Atlanta. I dont see Atlanta passing on Peterson, hes a Patrino style player. Not to mention Dunn could use some help. truely, kt
It really doesn't matter if he is the best player available. The question is is he the best player available for Our Beloved Dolphins. We have much greater needs than RB and weather he is there or not he will not be the best player avaiable to us. I look for the Dolphins picking up Levi or Amobi. All I know is I can't wait for the draft.
This is all for naught.......NO WAY Peterson makes it to #9. Lay down the crack pipe before you write your column next time!
That makes alot of sense because if they do pick up peterson then they will trade ricky williams...supposivly to the rams who showed interest in him and they would work out a deal...if you have a good pick that you think could be a franchise player, you take him, you go for the best player available not your needs
"if peterson drops to nine you trade down with houston and let them take him."
I like this idea.
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