Winning changes some things
It is Victory Monday for the first time all season so the players have earned time off until their next practice Wednesday.
But that is not the only thing that changes because of Miami's 22-16 overtime victory over the Baltimore Ravens.
Now that the Dolphins have won:
But that is not the only thing that changes because of Miami's 22-16 overtime victory over the Baltimore Ravens.
Now that the Dolphins have won:
- The argument that Cam Cameron must be fired because a winless coach has no right to keep his job becomes empty. There was little logical response to: "You have to fire the coach because he is the first in the history of the NFL to lose all 16 games." But now the idea of what to do with Cameron after the season is debatable. Oh, you can still argue that Cameron has made too many mistakes to keep his job. But at least there are responses to that argument -- too many injuries, a new system, an irrevocably broken roster. The debate can no longer be one-sided.
- Will Wayne Huizenga still sell the team? As many of you know because you've read it here and other places, Huizenga has been in negotiations to sell the team, with talks heating up of late with real estate investors Stephen Ross and Jorge Perez. There are myriad reasons Huizenga is thinking about the sale, but chief among them is his disappointment and frustration over the Dolphins previously winless season. If you saw shots of him on TV yesterday during and after the game -- including him wiping tears from his eyes after the victory -- you can begin to understand his depth of emotion for this team. So now that they've alleviated some of his frustrations, does he go forward with the sale? Or did that morsel of victory -- his first taste of success in over a year -- feed Huizenga enough to back away from the negotiating table?
- What to do at quarterback? Even going into yesterday's game, Cam Cameron was prepared to turn the job back to John Beck if Cleo Lemon struggled and turned the ball over. Now Lemon will be the starter against New England. But what does the coach do beyond that? If Lemon can't win in New England, which is likely, does he give Beck one last try in the season-finale? Does he give the rookie one last chance to build some of his confidence back going into 2008? And does Lemon's 300-plus-yard performance win him the opportunity to get re-signed by the Dolphins and compete for the starting job next year -- even though team people were privately admitting only days ago that Lemon is not the long-term answer?
All these are fallout from a victory. I wouldn't mind having to deal with more fallout from a victory next Monday.
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posted by Armando Salguero at 11:53 AM
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Everything revolves around the sale of the team. If Wayne sells, there will be wholesale changes. Even if the team wins all of the remaining games to finish 3-13, the new owners will make wholesale changes to put their mark on the franchise.
Halfway thru this season I was willing to give Cam another season. Now, I'm indifferent. If he stays, fine; if he leaves, I'm fine with that too.
Randy Mueller I have confidence in and would like to see him stay. He has helped build other franchises when they were down, so there is no reason to believe he can't do it here.
More than anything else, this team needs a QB. Groom Beck for the future, although his time is limited due to being 26 already. Cleo Lemon isn't the answer, but if he is willing to sign cheaply as the back-up, I'd be willing to keep him. However, they need to go out and get a somewhat proven QB.
Draft McFadden. He's the #1 prospect out there, regardless of position. This team has too far away from contending for the playoffs to be drafting need. Ronnie Brown, while having a great few games, has yet to prove he can stay healthy for a full season. Most teams have a 1-2 punch at RB anyway. Just look at the Vikings with Peterson and Taylor.
I'm also indifferent on Wayne selling the team. Maybe he is a great owner as far as his employees are concerned, but his results speak differently.
#1 is huge!
Even though I have been a supporter of Stability, rather than hiring a 5th new head coach in 5 years, the thought of a winless season had me thinking "will the players even play for a winless coach next year? maybe you do have to get rid of him, just from a player-confidence point of view".
I believe that goes away now. I dont know if Cam can be a good coach or not, but do we really want to take another crapshoot at another coach?
Forget Parcels and Cowher -- they wont be coaching next year. Anyone else out there is as big a gamble as giving Cam a 2nd season.
If Wayne is crying and happy about getting 1 win, maybe he should sell the team. If they are competitive against New England and beat Cincy, I'd be willing to admit that maybe Cam is turning this ship in the right direction. Armando, any word on the rumor that Dom Capers wants out of Miami?
To judge Cameron with all of the adversity, would not be wise. What can he do with a healthy roster? Don't know.. He has held rookies back though.. Look at Booker (Lorenzo), Why not use him more? He has earned it.. Camerillo is looking more and more like Wes Welker.
Capers did not do a good gob at adjusting. He kept the defense way to complicated way to long. I guess he wants to run now.. Let him go if he wants. I used to like him when he was at at Charlotte but for some reason he is losing his edge. Maybe the rug is making him overheat.
Special teams needs a lot of work!
If the team is sold then the new owners could make things worse! Yes, they could get worse if they come in thinking that they know everything they need to know about football.
Don't forget about Cower or Tuna.. Keep ALL possibilities close!
Draft for need! Sign Young and Good free agents, there will be alot of them and plenty of cap..
I think yesterday reminded Wayne why he bought the Dolphins to begin with and thats because he loves football and Miami and its not about the money because he has proven that he can make money doing anything he so chooses but his passion was clearly seen yesterday and the thoughts of rebuilding towards greatness far outweighs selling now with this glimmer of hope .
I dont want Cam to go because I want to see what he can do given 1 more year with his system in place and some healthy and better players.
One win in overtime against the hapless Ravens hardly makes Cam a coach worth keeping for next year. Tally up the positives versus the negatives this year, and it should be a no brainer that the man should be fired.
sorry man, no team is hapless against us. Were the most hapless. Firing Cam won't turn this team around or even start to. Fire Mueller if anyone..he's been more of a common denominator over the years...and part of the reason we are so bad is how the drafts before this one went...not so much how this one went. Don't tell me Brady Quinn woulda had us winning games...he can't even get off the bench and in fact Tedd G has produced more than him.
Come on, avoid 0-16 is great but we still the worst team ! That is something Cameron and Mueller did none else!!! Yes they inherit a BAD team but not the worst!! Fire both and find an experienced GM on rebuilding process, let this guy hire his head coach. Mr. Huizenga has told "I don't know about football" well do not hire head coach, hire a GM and let him the football issues.
If and only if Cam can come up not only with a game plan to beat the Pats next week but motivate the players to play like they want to be winners, should a conversation even begin to come up about him staying another year. Let's not forget the missed FG in overtime yesterday was not a doing of the Dolphins, just a break that happened to go their way. Let's not make that a Cameron miracle.
My support for Cameron was dwindling as of last week and I have to say, I've regained some confidence in him.
I look at the fact that this team has started 4 different players at safety, we're on our 5th & 6th starting RBs with Gado & Booker, and we've started 3 different QBs. Zach Thomas played in what, 3 games? Now Crowder is hurt? We lost Donnie Spragan?
Starting over with a new QB makes absolutely no sense to me now. Of course, if Huizenga sells the team, then all bets are off, but I think Cam & Randy deserve another draft and another season at least.
I like the idea of feeding Lemon to the wolves this Sunday in Foxboro and then having Beck start the final game against Cincy after that.
Armando, whats the story with Trent Green? Does he expect to come back next year and compete for the QB job?
I'm glad Lemon won the game yesterday and he played great. However, stepping out of bounds and taking a 7 yard (sack)is unacceptable. I guess he's playing a little like a rookie as well, but he can't be making mistakes like that. I'm sorry to say that I think Lemon is destined to be a career backup...but a good one at that.
Oops...too bad we can't edit our posts...
....I meant to say that starting over with a new HEAD COACH makes no sense...
sorry 'bout that...
*the last comment re-iterates what i've been saying all along!the gm should be the boss!look at all the succesfull franchises in all the different team sports,that's the structure!the gm hires and fires the head coach,not the owner!a decent gm would never give a rookie coach without experience like cam-cam the kind of power he was given!
What do Tom Landry, Bill Walsh, Chuck Noll and Jimmy Johnson have in common? They won multiple super bowls, yes... But guess what else they have in common???
Each of these esteemed coaches, all legends except perhaps Johnson, won 2 or fewer games in their 1st season as head coaches. In fact, Tom Landry went 0-11-1, he was actually the 1st winless head coach in NFL history. Chuck Noll was 1-13. The genius Bill Walsh??? How does 2-14 sound?
We always talk about Johnson being 1-15 while forgetting that many great headcoaches had some inauspicious beginnings. Will Cameron ever be thought of in the same terms as these coaches, I doubt it, but one season is not enough to rate a coach on a bad team.
It is also interesting to point out what made these coaches suddenly turn from guillotine bait to great... Quarterbacks!!! That's right, Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana, Troy Aikman. For every great coach you will find a great QB, they go hand in hand.
Cameron's future and indeed the future of the Dolphins rides on the shoulders of who is behind the center. Be careful hanging too much on Beck. Draft another QB if there is a great one to be had with our number 1 pick.
>>>If Wayne is crying and happy about getting 1 win, maybe he should sell the team.<<<
Or maybe he just cares about the Dolphins more than many fans in South Florida give him credit for.
Wayne-Good Bye
Mueller-Good Bye
Cameron- Good Bye
Green-Good Bye
Beck-Good Bye
Clean house once and for all.
Only chance to really rebuild.
i,am happy that we won. but next year if we dont draft qb. we are going to be bad for a long time.
This is too silly.
The Dolphins didn't win a game as much as the Ravens lost yet another game just like they lost they previous game against the Pats.
If Billick goes for it at the 1, the Dolphins lose. If a kick doesn't go wide, the Dolphins lose. Fortunately for us, those things happened and to top it off a QB we have thrown under the bus manages to throw a good, if not great, pass to a wide receiver so unknown the Ravens didn't bother to cover him. Pure luck.
Cam must go. There is no question. Bear in mind, this coach has hung the success of the franchise entirely on Ginn & Beck and stated that was the foundation of his plan.
Cam has received far too much credit for the success of San Diego (this was the guy who wanted Rivers because Brees wasn't any good) and not enough credit for destroying the Dolphins by attempting to make players fit the system rather than the system fitting the players. Add to that his complete inability to grasp the use of time-outs, his failure at game management, inability to motivate the players (number 1 job) and previous record as a head coach in college and there is nothing, absolutely nothing to lend merit to the notion he can be successful.
I am glad the Dolphins won - it shows just how much heart the players themselves have. Wayne needs to keep the team, Mueller needs to become a stronger GM (most of you idjets have no idea what Muellers track record is and there are few more qualified to rebuild the Dolphins; Mueller can work wonders in free agency and this next draft.) and we need a young hungry coach to lead them for whom losing is not acceptable and inspires passion, fire and attitude in these Dolphins.
Cleo Lemon should play against New England. For the finale against Cincinnati, you play Lemon the first half, Beck the second. I would also try to activate some of the younger guys like Paul Soliai, Anthony Alabi, and Julius Wilson so they can get some game action.
Cleo shouldn't be brought back. He is what he is. Not starter material. Bring a free agent in to compete with Beck.
Also, no one was mentioning Rod Wright on here yesterday. That guy was ballin. Consistently was getting push in the pocket in his pass rush. Looks like it was a smart move drafting him and giving him a redshirt year.
armando since when does 1-15 or 2-14 save your job?huizenga is kidding himself if he keeps this team and he keeps these two knuckleheads around cameron and mueller...NEED TO GO CAPERS AND ARMSTRONG TOO WAYNE NEEDS TO MAKE DON SHULA THE VP OF OPERATIONS AND BILL PARCELLS AS THE GM THIS TEAM NEEDS A TALENT EVALUATOR IM SCREAMING IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS THEN GO FROM THERE 2008 SHOULD BE A NEW ERA IN DOLPHINS HISTORY!!!!!!!
THIS JUST IN THE 76 BUCS RECORD IS SAFE AT LEAST FOR ANOTHER SEASON AND AFTER ONE WIN CAMERON AND MUELLER ARE STILL CLUELESS AND STILL NEED TO BE CANNED AT SEASON'S END!
Some of you bloggers are just idiots.
"Mueller is the common denominator through the years..."
is one of the most stupid remarks I have read lately. FYI, "anonymous", this past draft was the FIRST that Mueller called the shots on. He was with Saban last year, but SABAN called those shots. Prior to that, Mueller was not even with the organization.
Before you start calling for someone's head and affecting their livelihood, you should get your facts straight.
Matt in NC
I have to say, Huizenga really won me over yesterday. He could not have a bigger fan right now. Funny, what one gesture can do.
I know I cried. I am a grown ass man and I cried like a schoolgirl who just got her heart broken for the first time, only my tears expressed realization… relief. And I'm not the least bit ashamed to say so.
I have a love for this team that goes far beyond sanity. It is a love as primal as that as a bond between father and son. A passion that invokes a feeling of unity, a pride in your tribe, a memory of a man I can no longer embrace. A personal pan pizza in Joe Robbie, a Marinoesque pass as perfect and priceless as the roar that followed- teal and orange are more than just colors.
In a game with such push and pull, I don't know how any ardent fan could not have been filled to the brim with emotion. They fought so hard to come back only to have the fates drill that same ol' feeling into our fiber- the kick out of bounds, the rookie performing like a proven pro, two occasions moments from imminent defeat in the closest game our guys had come to evading the ever regrettable record.
Questions directed at Cameron's tenure or Huizenga's ownership should be reserved for another week. Rejoice Dolfans; those of you who have suffered "the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune" with our beloved ball-club. Rejoice. It is well deserved and long overdue.
Ya man...I tried not to care but I was on my hands and knees begging by the end of the game. And whoever said this win doesn't count because it came off of a stupid Baltimore mistake....well then about 6 or 7 of our own losses this year don't count either...You know all those 3 point games we blew with stupid mistakes? This was almost one of em again but we finally had the crap that has been going against us go our way. IT COUNTS!
Armando,
Please explain what persons in the Dolphin Scouting Department are saying as to how they managed to goof choosing Jason Allen over Antonio Cromartie in the 2006 draft.
Personnel department? You mean Nick Saban who was in love with Jason Allen after playing against him at LSU?
Having the 1st selection in the draft is great if you have competent scouts to properly evaluate talent. We can compare ourselves to the 1-15 Cowboys which turned their team around in 3 seasons to win 3 out of 4 Super Bowls after drafting Russell Maryland, Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin and Emmitt Smith, only if we capitalize on most of our high picks in the same way, going forward.
Matt,
You are wasting your breath - most of these idiots don't realize it was Mueller who rebuilt the Aints into the Saints either.
The other guy just asked how we whiffed on Cromartie and took Allen. Of course, he doesn't realize Saban made that call.
Not many are likely to recognize Cam wanted Ginn and Beck as well and we passed on several prime DT's who were pass rushers and run stuffers.
Of course, these idiots blame Mueller and Huizenga. More fascinating is how few brains you must have to accuse Huizenga of being cheap. The guy allowed the team to give $20 million in cash to Porter because the team said they needed him. Huizenga is perhaps the most generous owner in NFL history and the most caring.
Frankly I place the idiots calling for Huizenga and Mueller in the same class as those who think (thought) Cam was a godsend and claim he deserves to remain coach for another year (or the one flaming idiot who said give Cam 5 more years.)
The Saints aren't very good. They had one good year which appears to have been a fluke. I am not sold on Cam long term, but I am against firing him after 1 year (which was a rebuilding year despite what they said at the start). And there's a lot of people in Miami that were guilty of thinking our Defense was good enough (Mueller and Cameron included)...but it definitely doesn't all fall on Cam. Remember, Randy has some decision power returned to him from Saban this year.
oh, and my big argument for Cameron is how he turned our running game around. He freaking fired the RB coach because he didn't like Ronnie Browns management...he took a crappy o-line anchored by a rookie and turned it into one of the better running games in the league. Even with 4 and 5th stringers carrying the ball. There's no doubt in my mind Ronnie Brown was headed for the pro bowl before he got hurt. Thats all Cam.
Cam definitely deserves another year. In no way is it fair to give a coach only one year, it just isn't enough time. Yes, there are examples of poor coaching decisions but let's keep in mind that he's a rookie too and will make some mistakes. I've seen some positives from him this year. There has been more than a few risky fourth down tries that he's been gutsy enough to go for (though I guess when you're 0 and whatever taking risks isn't as big a deal). The challenge yesterday when they marked Lemon a full yard short of the first down but he actually made it was a good call. If we change coaches, yet again, we will only take two steps back instead of (hopefully) a few steps forward. And I think the same thing will occur if Wayne sells the team.
Our only hope is that Wayne "Happy the Clown" sells the team so we clean house of these overpaid losers and rebuild this franchise with top to bottom with proven winners. Calling this Sunday's win like "winning the Super Bowl" was the single most offensive statement of this season.
Listen up, slackers who can't stop posting for cowher and tuna:
Cowher is NOT coaching next season!
Tuna is retired by his own choice!
Cowher is NOT coaching next season!
Tuna is retired by his own choice!
Cowher is NOT coaching next season!
Tuna is retired by his own choice!
Cowher is NOT coaching next season!
Tuna is retired by his own choice!
Cowher is NOT coaching next season!
Tuna is retired by his own choice!
Cowher is NOT coaching next season!
Tuna is retired by his own choice!
Do you boneheads EVER read anything other than this blog????
What this team needs more than anything is stability, more than a new coach, more than a new GM and more than a new owner. All the great coaches that started badly were given time and turned out to be SB winners. Everybody calling for heads needs to settle down and give this a chance. None of us like what has happened, but we need to give it a chance. It's not our call to make anyway and nothing said here is going to influence what happens. So, chill and hopefully we'll get another win or two this year and we can start to look forward to the draft.
On that note, do we go with "need" or "best player." Tough call, but mine is best player. Ok, so who is that? Dorsey is pretty darn good, so is McFadden, so are the Longs (the guard and the D-lineman). I know this, I'd be pretty happy with any of them on my team.
Merry Christmas everyone, boy do I feel better !!!
Another thing, as mentioned by others at the Herald, others on the blog here, and as well in Peter Kings column on SI, Cam has only got 2nd and 3rd stringers to work with right now. The leading passer, leading receiver and leading rusher in yesterdays win were all undrafted free agents. Give Cam a break.... Do you think Cleveland is now regretting firing Belichek? Do you thing Jerry Jones is glad he stuck with JJ after a 1-15 first season? How about Walsh with the niners, 2-14 first season. Get a grip, come back to earth, taste reality.
By the way, I'd take Matt Ryan in a heartbeat, too. He is the next great NFL QB !!!
Some of you people are high. We have a crappy QB corp because Cam handpicked that group. We threw to an undrafted free agent WR because Cam selected the receivers to be on the team. We have a crappy TE because Cam said he was a superstar. Ronnie was succeeding after Cam had said he wasn't ready. The only thing which has been consistent is Cams evaluation of players is always dead wrong.
Our offensive line is one of the better groups??? Are you nuts. This line sucks and will be seriously overhauled even if Cam remains. They can't block squat and our FB doesn't know what blocking his either. Linemen are normally judged by the number of times they bury an opposing player, our guys are being graded on how many times they don't whiff a block.
Cam can't motivate, he can't manage the clock, he can't judge talent and he didn't prepare this team physically or mentally during the preseason. Yet you want to give him another chance at going winless because he is a rookie?
The point many of you miss is those previous coaches who had poor results in their first year had demonstrated prior success. Cam's previous record as a college head coach was a bitter failure and demonstrated no potential as a successful NFL head coach. Some guys are meant to be no more than offensive coordinators.
Hey Robert PeaBrain, you are the type of person that loves to hear yourself talk, while remaining absolutely clueless. If you take the time to analyze this season game by game, our offense has not looked better since the Shula days. Yeah there have been a few games lately the O didn't produce, but we only have two very green QB's right now. Why don't you look at the first NFL season of any SB coach and then make an evaluation...or maybe you are too busy wanking it.
i'm kinda sick of the man crushes everyone in here has with parcells and cowher
Hey Robert. Ronnie Brown, despite being injured is still ranked number 7 in the league. He was averaging 5.1 yards per carry. Jesse Chatman averages 4.1 yards per carry. We have changes coming in the personell on the o-line...but something has to be said for that. But I agree with your comment...I shouldn't have said they were one of the better groups...But the coaching or someting there is right because we did a whole lot with nothing.
MANDO, MANDO, MANDO!!!!! Dude, I listened to your show tonight, and I really wish you would write something about your last segment. Your comments about Tom Landry's first season (winless) & the other Hall of Fame coaches who didn't fare so well in their first years really had me thinking about how we fans need to evaluate this whole thing on much more than just a sruface leval.
I vote for Cam being here nest year, and I want to go on record as saying that if Wayne sells I think it would be a HUGE, HUGE setback.
Right now I am definitely in Wayne's fan club. What a class act. He shows humility, kindness, and all around great attributes as a owner, and human being.
I agree with the last post. Wayne........keep the team!!!!!
Keep Cam, & get a ultra-great quaterback.
We can ride this one out. Wayne is key to the organization staying stable.
These two guys interested inpurchasing the team are just that TWO people. Anything with two HEADS is a monster.
We fans need Wayne to stay on.
I agree that it would be better for us in the short term for Huizenga to remain the owner.
He stays out of the football operations and lets the GM spend the full salary cap.
The last thing we need is a Daniel Snyder trying to run things or a cheapskate trying to turn the dolphins into the marlins.
I like to hear myself talk? You are one of those guys who likes to remain behind his keyboard and the cloak of anonymity while tossing out juvenile insults. I stand behind my insults.
You, of course, are wrong. Our offense has not looked better since the Shula days?! Did your mom drop you on your head? Too much cell phone use fry your synapses? Our offense looked better last year. A couple years ago Ricky was running for 100+ yards per game. Two green QB's? We started the year with Trent Green. The line couldn't block anyone then either remember? I recall Armando on this very blog criticizing the line repeatedly and pointing out the failure of Reagan to block anyone. This line isn't good and a couple of games where they weren't focused on too much doesn't change that. Lemon has been in Cams system AND coached by Cam for 3 years or so... Cam prior to playing him said he was a starting caliber QB.
Ronnie can be a great RB (I was adamant we should select him back the year we were drafting) but a couple of games (I remember after the first two - fans were calling for Chatman to replace him) of great success don't make for a career or a Pro Bowl.
Some of you think our secondary was ok prior to the injuries. Others here have knowingly been pointing out it was a problem since last year. No big deal. Some here actually played football, know the game and know what reality is; some of you don't.
Remember this. When Cam fails next year again and Armando and others are calling for his head again, some of us knew better. When he selects the "wrong" player with the first pick, remember you wanted him to stay and thought he was a great coach.
Sorry to interupt your game Madden AllStars but this wont take long so if you dont mind,click pause.
Theres no way to let all you haters down easily so I'll just say it.
Wayne,Cam and Randy are going to be here for AT LEAST the next decade so go ahead and throw your little temper tantrums,kick&squeal all you want but COWHER AND PARCELLS WILL NEVER BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE MIAMI DOLPHINS!!!!!!!!!!
Ok..you can get back to your button mashing and talking smack to your TV's..click play!
Armando, I guess you liked my post yesterday! I'm surprised more bloggers didn't jump on that one.
One chance - beats New England. This season will be a complete success if Miami beats New England. It will be known forever as the only team to beat them not the team that lost a bunch of games. Just like with the Bears we have to beat them to keep our status. This may be a little more difficult than the Bears because we do not have Dan but we can do it.
Yo Armando, they should call you waffle man. Need some syrup to go with all that waffling??
1) If Cam can continue to show improvement, he gets a second year.
2) I have a hard time believing that a billionaire like Huizenga make decisions solely on emotion. Financially, the Dolphins are healthy. Given that he is willing to be patient with the re-building of the roster, which has been flawed for 10 years yet received only patchwork repairs, it is not reasonable to conclude that he is selling due to the losing. They could be 14-0 and he could still be looking to sell if the estate planning rumor is true.
3) Cam should continue to judge the QB situation on a game-by-game basis. If Lemon plays well against the Pats, which is all he can really control (i.e., not a team win), he should start against CIN. If the light bulb has now "turned on" for Lemon, it is in the Dolphins best interest to re-sign him. This would also lessen the need to take a QB with that top pick. Furthermore, Beck wasn't supposed to play AT ALL this year. Based on his last two starts, we understand the reasaoning.
I think what everyone is failing to realize is that Wanye and Cam and Randy aren't the ones out there throwing the football or making tackles. Coaching only goes so far. At some point players have to step up and make plays.
Aftwer watching these Dolphins since 1966 I can tell you Dolphin fans are never satisfied or patient. Everyone wants Shula back in some capacaity when these same people demanded he be fired after a couple of trips not making the playoffs. Cameron needs at least one more season mainly because every time you change the guy at the top it takes at least 1 year to install asystem and then 1 year to see if that system will work. When Shula coached he coached the players he had and developed a system around the players he had.
Cam needs time to prove himself right or wrong. he can't do that with serious numbers of injuries to key players. He needs at least one season of health experienced players to see if he can coach or his system works here.
At 1 and 15 we only lost 5 more games with all those injuries to key players. Look at the Jets/Bears/Saints/Chargers they all lost 5 more games than last year as well.
Will they fire Lovie or Mangini. I don't believe so.
As for QBs Beck is here and can fight for his shot but they need to let him play with less constriction.
The biggest mistake Cameron made this year was not letting JT and Porter play to their strengths and the offense alwyas plaed to not lose npt playing to win aggressively
The one decision that has really really screwed us is taking Culpepper over Bree's. That set us back years.
Robert, I couldn't agree MORE. Everyone here has such short memories. We didn't point up any more points in a game this year, than we did last year. If I recall correctly, the high for both was 31? Either way, Cam demolished this team, and what we are seeing is a result of that; Well, that, and the fact he's an idiot! Can you guys remember weeks 1&2? Game 1? Brown and Chatman SHARING 18 carries, with Brown only having 9? That's pure STUPIDITY! All the while Trent Green, his chosen boy throwin picks left and right! Green, Chatman, and Lemon were ALL products of Cam. If that's not enough, WHY did we wait till week 6, after we cut our #1 receiver to use Ginn? Why wasn't he lined up in the slot from day 1? L Booker? Jason Allen? It took 5 safties failing/getting cut! Why didn't we re-sign Schulters WELL before it was absolutly neccessary? The list is far too long to continue, but Cam's personnel decisions coupled with his on the field performance are ATROCIOUS! All the arguments made for keeping Cam are silly, minus stability, although, I'd rather be unstable with a coach with potential, than stable with another Wandstadt!
BTW, Ronnie Brown was a stud LONG before Cam came around!
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