The no-win quarterback situation -- literally
So Cleo Lemon is the old quarterback that is the new quarterback and John Beck is the new quarterback that is now the old quarterback.
Doesn't matter much, I believe, until the Dolphins can have a conversation involving a good quarterback.
Neither is that right now, which is, I believe the top reason the Dolphins are sooooo bad. If the Dolphins had a good quarterback on the roster -- Derek Anderson, Carson Palmer, Matt Hasselbeck, Tony Romo, Ben Roethlisberger -- I guarantee you they would have four or five victories.
Even with all the injuries, even with all the turmoil, even with the questionable coaching decisions, this team would be much better if one player of worth was playing that one position.
Unfortunately, the Dolphins have not had good quarterback play all season. Trent Green was tied for the NFL lead in interceptions when he went down with his concussion. His interception percentage of 5.0 -- the percent of attempts that are intercepted -- still leads the team.
And this is despite the fact Lemon and Beck both have thrown more interceptions than touchdowns.
Cam Cameron said today he needs his quarterback to get the team in the end zone and avoid turnovers. On both counts Lemon and Beck failed.
Lemon has accounted for nine turnovers during his playing time -- six interceptions, three lost fumbles -- while Beck has accounted for seven turnovers -- three interceptions and four lost fumbles.
And they've turned the ball over while producing very few points. Beck actually never got his offense in the end zone in four starts while Lemon's touchdown percentage -- the percent of pass attempts that result in TDs -- is a paltry 1.4 percent.
The bottom line is this folks: Blame the receivers, blame the offensive line, blame the ravage of injuries to the running back corps if you wish. Miami's biggest problem, on offense, defense and special teams continues to be the quarterback position.
And changing from one player that hasn't gotten it done to another player that hasn't gotten it done is basically praying that the improbable happens -- that one of them plays over his head for one day -- so Miami can maybe win a game.
So can you guys guess how I feel about the Dolphins need to acquire more quarterbacks -- yes plural -- next year? Yeah, I'm all for it. Even in the first round if necessary.
Discuss ...
Doesn't matter much, I believe, until the Dolphins can have a conversation involving a good quarterback.
Neither is that right now, which is, I believe the top reason the Dolphins are sooooo bad. If the Dolphins had a good quarterback on the roster -- Derek Anderson, Carson Palmer, Matt Hasselbeck, Tony Romo, Ben Roethlisberger -- I guarantee you they would have four or five victories.
Even with all the injuries, even with all the turmoil, even with the questionable coaching decisions, this team would be much better if one player of worth was playing that one position.
Unfortunately, the Dolphins have not had good quarterback play all season. Trent Green was tied for the NFL lead in interceptions when he went down with his concussion. His interception percentage of 5.0 -- the percent of attempts that are intercepted -- still leads the team.
And this is despite the fact Lemon and Beck both have thrown more interceptions than touchdowns.
Cam Cameron said today he needs his quarterback to get the team in the end zone and avoid turnovers. On both counts Lemon and Beck failed.
Lemon has accounted for nine turnovers during his playing time -- six interceptions, three lost fumbles -- while Beck has accounted for seven turnovers -- three interceptions and four lost fumbles.
And they've turned the ball over while producing very few points. Beck actually never got his offense in the end zone in four starts while Lemon's touchdown percentage -- the percent of pass attempts that result in TDs -- is a paltry 1.4 percent.
The bottom line is this folks: Blame the receivers, blame the offensive line, blame the ravage of injuries to the running back corps if you wish. Miami's biggest problem, on offense, defense and special teams continues to be the quarterback position.
And changing from one player that hasn't gotten it done to another player that hasn't gotten it done is basically praying that the improbable happens -- that one of them plays over his head for one day -- so Miami can maybe win a game.
So can you guys guess how I feel about the Dolphins need to acquire more quarterbacks -- yes plural -- next year? Yeah, I'm all for it. Even in the first round if necessary.
Discuss ...
posted by Armando Salguero at 5:10 PM
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D-MAC ! ! ! !
CANNOT MISS THAT KIND OF TALENT ! ! !
We can make a trade for brady quinn since he aint ever going to play with derek light-me-up anderson playing his @ss off..
trade with dallas and take their two first ruond picks. you know they want mcfadden, and we can't let the pats have him. then take woodson and an OL with our pick. this year's draft is deeeep with quality o-lineman.
Armando are you suggesting that beck is not the guy of the future?
Or are you suggesting that Miami just needs a better talent pool at the qb position?
Armando, granted they both have not been impressive, but do you really think any of the aforementioned QB's would be much better with this team that simply is horrible in every position?
Does Russell or Quinn do any better? Will any of the QB's coming out in next years draft be a better option? I don't think so!
I think you put too much blame on the QB's. Marino in his prime wouldn't do much better with this cast of characters and pitiful coaching staff.
Injuries have been as big a problem as the QB position.
If Ronnie doesn't blow his knee, we would have a win or two.
Giants game maybe.
Pittsburgh game maybe
1st Buffalo game for sure.
The fins can't waste their 1st pick with a QB. Forget it....that's complete lunacy!!! You need to give a QB time to throw. They need to draft o-line, d-line, corner, LB with their 1-3rd picks.
I'm sorry, but let's face it. Beck is not the solution. I know it's too soon, but you can tell just to see him play. He was too scare, to afraid of make mistakes. We all have seen rookie quarterbacks with more character and personality in the field.
I look forward the Dolphins to draft a QB in the first round of the next year draft. I don't know exactly which is the best option, but certainly, we need one with urgency.
Arturo
As Boston bore “The curse of the great Bambino” so must Miami meander in “The curse of the great Marino.”
The ego of a coach who’d have much rather gone fishing for Dolphins than tutor them, tried tirelessly to sequester the offense from a future Hall of Famer in order to impose his narcissism in the means of a microscopic John Avery, or felonious Cecil Collins- all the while the boss behind the trash ceremoniously kissed his mass.
Thank you J.J. Thank you “Stache.” Thank you boss who kissed their mass. But most of all, thank you fans who ate their muck and dished out cash.
For thrusting “the Man” aside, I present you the Miami Dolphins: WHERE QUARTERBACKS COME TO DIE.
No way QB is the biggest problem. In a league in an era where Rex Grossman (!) leads a team to the Super Bowl and Trent Dilfer (!!!!) WINS one, QB is obviously a position of importance...but teams can get by with a poor QB if they have one of a few key things:
-A good OL (Fins = maybe earlier; not so much recently)
-A good RB (Fins = Samkon Gado)
-A dominant defense (Fins = oldest, slowest, poorest-conditioned, least-fearsome, WORST in the league)
Change any ONE of those and we're good to go. Healthy Ronnie Brown? Another poster said it - there's anywhere from 1-3 additional wins. Good O-Line? Well, look how Derek Anderson is doing. His team got him a tackle in the first round. Dominant D? Chicago last year, Tennessee in several games this year.
With Beck, how can we say definitively that he's not talented enough? Who's his supporting cast? Who blocks for him? (Not David Martin...BURN) Who catches his passes? (Not Derek Hagan - BURN again).
You guys get the idea
If the Dolphins have any of the players Mando mentioned, we are not 0-13. Remember we have lost six games by three points or less.
There is not a QB that could do much with this team, the OL do not give them time, look a all the QB's that have been in Miami (Cpeper, Harriston, etc, they looked very bad with miami and then at worst decent with any other team, what that tell you guys. Yes, draft another QB with the first pick and then see him perform under an OL that can not block, and recivers that can not cach. The Fins need to build an OL and reciver corp then evalute the QB's, draft a QB later on the first day or early on the second.
There is not a snowball's chance in hell that John Beck can be properly evaluated with the talent he was surrounded with.
We've got receivers that can't get open, and when they do, can't catch.
We'd better not give up on him and watch him succeed elsewhere.
I felt this way about Sage Rosenfels. I had written in the Miami Dolphins forum that I'd hate to see him go elsewhere and kick ass....now look at what he's doing in Houston.
You are so RIGHT! What teams are winning? The ones with Brady, Manning, Romo,etc. My money is on Brian Brohm-RAT 152.4,YDS 4,024, TD 30,152.43; Colt Brennan-RAT166.31, YDS 4174, TD 38, and it drops from there. Why do the Dolphins + their fans think we even have a fighting chance against the top teams if our quarterback isn't as good, or come days, better than the other teams?
No question, QB is a big issue. Keep in mind that Cameron had the opportunity to draft one this year and it didn't work out. The fact that the QB he drafted is not working has to be blamed on him - can't just say there is not a QB and that is no one's fault. In fact, we got beaten badly by one that was drafted in the same draft - that is Cameron's fault wether it be because e drafted the wrong one or he didn't prepare Beck correctly.
Please......David. Colt Brennan! Other than an intriguing name and stats against the College of the Litte Sisters of the Poor (that would be the likeS of those power houses of N. Colorado, Charlston Southern (is their a Charlston Northern)Utah State, SJ State, NM State, Fresno State, etc.)where do you see him as an NFL QB?
The Dwags will beat Hawaii by about 40 in the SB. Hawaii may be their easiest game this year!
Remember Jim Bates? After he took over as coach for wanny, he said they need to focus on defense. He was right in seeing this group had at most a season or two left. We need to draft on defense otherwise teams will continue to score 30+ points on us every game. No offense will ever get enough W's with a tired/old + young/confused defense we have now.
We suck and thats that!! I don't care who we blame , the fact still remains WE SUCK !!!!!
This franchise is in shambles right now. And here are some of the most important questions that must be addressed!
1. If the team goes 0-16 does Cam lose his job??
2. If Cam looses his job who is his replacement , and who else on the coaching staff gets the axe??
3. Who will be in control of the draft/ free agency?? What do we do with the first pick??
So many big questions! If Cam doesn't find away to resolve the divide in the locker room , and dosen't get fired.... this team is DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is dead wrong. We need scouts and people that can really assess talent. That hasn't happened here in quite awhile. Drafting qb after qb is not going to solve anything but leave us in a perpetual losing situation. Because without a line we lose. without a back we lose. Without great defense we lose.
Draft the most talented athlete. End of story. If it is a qb then fine. QB are often a wasted draft because most aren't physical enough to play another position so if they don't pan out you lose. But backs can become returners, recievers, full backs etc etc. Linemen are the same way. They can be used in other areas so signing great line talent or drafting great line talent (ala JT) is smart.
Shula won a lot of games because he could assess talent. Belicheck can assess talent. All great coaches can. Make sure your coach can assess talent, make trades that help you get better and sign free agents that are winners.
Beck was not even getting two steps into his drop back before he was getting sacked. How do you think George Wilson was so far behind the line so quick he caught the fumble in stride? No QB is going to have any success until we have an O-line with giant hairy balls. It all starts up front on the line. Our priorirties should be 1.O-line 2.D-line.
The injuries can be blamed on conditioning which falls back on the coach. We need a new coach. Why don't they roll Beck out? Get him moving so he is not a sitting duck behind the siv that is our o-line.
I agree with Russ. The O-line has really been weak these last several games. But why doesn't Beck roll out ? Is he incapable of the roll out, is he purely a drop back passer? And if so why not more shotgun sets and why aren't we using Lorenzo for short passes instead of Samkon. LB seems to have good hands and he's quick, could be the catalyst to help open up Ginn downfield.
Miami, where QB"s come to die..How true a statement..since Dan left (OH DAN HOW WE MISS YOU), we've had 10 QB's roll through town..
Brady or Manning couldn't be successful with our current batch of characters..Why ship Chambers for a 2nd round..we sure could use his leadership and oh yea..HE COULD CATCH!!! Ginn is the best we got.. not today and probably not tomorrow..we needed a leader now!!
We traded ButterFingers at TE for DeadLegs w/ Greasy Palms..
Who is in charge of conditioning??? 4 HB'S..4 SAFTE's..2 Concussions..1 Pissed off JT....Damn coach..
I hate to say it, but a coaching change will just make it hurt even longer..new coach=new system=more rifts w/ stars=never ending misery
As a lifelong Boston RedSox FAN, (yes, I'm from New England), I know what the "CURSE" is, and it can drag you to the lowest points of sports hell..w/o any chance of seeing the light..
Unless, THE TUNA or COWLHER say they want the team and all personnel decisions I say leave the damn coach and his damn QB, and prove that they can turn this thing around..
Maybe the injuries subside..Ginn and Beck get their timing, and Oh Yea!!, may-b Special Teams can finally stop nullifying great returns..get some debth through the draft and free agency..AND THE GREAT PUMPKIN delivers a miracle and we can lay .500 ball again..how cool would that be?? Pretty Damn right about now...
in closing..
OH HEAVENLY FOOTBALL FATHER, IF YOUR TRULY A LOVING BEING AND KNOW HOW HARD A SACRIFICE, WE AS DOL-FANS HAVE MADE, LET THERE BE JUST ONE VICTORY..YES FATHER YOU KNOW OF WHAT I SPEAK...
!!!!!!!!!!!!SPLAT THE PATS!!!!!!!!!
Amen
LOL ............redhot tsi
That was great , I actually feel better after reading your post !!!
It pains me to say this but Chad Pennington will be looking for work next year , he's a good leader, smart, knows the AFC East, could help groom Beck and steady the position. With that we could use the draft for Defense. Otherwise get Brohm.
I skipped over comments for now, but Mandy, correct me if I'm wrong, but won't Derek Anderson be a RFA this year? I say we break the bank and get him!
what we really need is a new special teams coach, offensive line coach, D' backs coach, and rec. coach. seriously need a DT or two, a left tackle,left guard, and also right guard as well as a right tackle, a couple of tight ends that can block as well as catch the ball. We need a couple of corners that can cover in man coverage long enough to get a pass rush ( at least 5 or 6 seconds)a couple of linebackers and at least one quick DE who also has some size. It would also be nice if the corners could also tackle....after we get that in free agency, then we can start on a wish list for the draft.
OK, I'm correct:
The tender of $2.562 million would guarantee the Browns first- and third-round draft choices if a QB-hungry team offered Anderson a long-term contract to be its starter.
If Anderson stayed through 2008, he could then become an unrestricted free agent in 2009.
Savage said he would not be inclined to negotiate a trade for lower terms
That's why many of us were ANGRY for losing Culpepper. He's as good as anything we've got.
Culpepper's value was thrown into the garbage by our braniacs ... THEN we gave up more value for scrambled Green.
Now the Green value is also in the garbage.
All these moves losing value, AND we're O-Fer.
See the connection!!! That's why we were mad about Culpepper, Green, & all the other dufus moves.
Our only chance may be O-Fer ... it'll be SO CATISTROPHIC that something MAY CHANGE ... for a change!!
Go Phins!! Cheers, JerryD
Marc
I like the idea! If it was my call I'd first trade down with Dallas then go after Anderson with a lower 1st round pick and still have a 1st and two 2nd's rond picks and two possible QB's to LEAD us into the future!!! We need all hands on deck to right this ship wreck!!!
I'd love to see a trade for picks ... but they are very rare & difficult ... unless someone gets real horny like Jerry Jones might for McFadden (BUT McFadden might not even be the top pick).
Signing & trading this & that guy is also long odds.
As far as The Draft ... at #1 on a team with ALL needs ... we'll have to go with the Top Guy, no matter the position.
New Coach ... ONLY if a major upgrade becomes available, OR "someone" quits.
Bottomline: We'll just have to sit back & see where the currents of destiny take us.
Heck, management runs a rudderless ship anywho!! Who knows where we'll land!!
So what you're saying is if we have an elite QB we'd still be a very poor team.
Why not bring in Marty S? Put Cam as offence cordinater, and groom him for the head coaching job in a few years. Trade the first pick. Why spend the money? GO FINS!!!!!
This is the most uptight team I have ever seen. Somebody needs to grow a pair and start getting in peoples faces. They have nothing to loose, time to grip it and rip it!
Jes' wonderin'...
Beck played for a 10-2 team last year that lost the first game of the season by a field goal and the other loss was in 2OT -- so, who would win in a game between his team this year and his college team last year?
CAM AND RANDY MUST GO WAYNE YOU BETTER HIRE PARCELLS OR COWHER!!!! AND THE DOLPHINS BETTER TAKE MCFADDEN AT 1 BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T NEW ENGLAND GETS HIM AT PICK 2 THANKS SAN FRANCISCO AND WITH ONE OF OUR SECOND ROUND PICKS IM NOT PASSING ON COLT BRENNAN WE NEED TO DRAFT THIS KID WE ONLY HAVE BECK AND LEMON AND LEMON WON'T BE HERE NEXT YEAR.
Very astute of you Armando. Yes, I agree, if we had an in his prime QB such as Peyton Manning calling the shots the Dolphins would probably have one win by now.
Beck is a ROOKIE! How many rookie QB's would be able to do anything with this horrible roster the city of Miami has the misfortune of calling their team? I don't care if his last name were Montana, as a ROOKIE you'd still be looking at the same result. What I would love to do is throw Armando in at QB and watch his pansy *** get pummeled.
before lemon can be a success in the NFL, he needs to change his last name.
I have said it before and I will say it again, we need a coach who doesn't accept that wins and losses are God's Will and gets pissed off about complacency. From there, we need to look at:
1. Watching our line for 10 minutes in any game demonstrates exactly how not to block anyone. Sure, Samson will block a guy on one play and on the next stands there looking stupid. Same thing for every other guy on the line.
2. Our FB can't block. Apparently, in a Cam offense the FB is merely intended to make sure both teams have the same number of guys on the field.
3. Ginn doesn't make much difference unless you throw him the ball deep.
4. I like Hagan but he can't make an easy catch to save his life. No concentration at all.
5. Injuries are a result of conditioning. Training camp and preseason are the opportunities to get your team prepared.
6. Beck is 26 years old. We couldn't afford to prep him this year much less prep him another year or two. The fact this guy doesn't get off the ground and grab a linemans facemask and demand he block someone doesn't bode well for his future.
7. Quinn wasn't the pick, is a selfish bastard and doesn't demonstrate the leadership in a QB we need.
8. Shula was successful because he tailored the system to his players talents - if his FB could run, well then, the FB ran the ball despite the presence of a HB. If his QB was the best there was, well, forget running.
9. This team needs to be taught to attack opponents and crush them. The coaching staff in Miami can't teach it - look at the above reasons and you will see they generally point at failures in coaching.
10. Tom Brady, whom I never liked, said something like "We don't want to win 28-0 or 42-7. We want to score as many points as we can and destroy the other team." Mr. H would do well to get the exact quote and post it in his office; don't pick a QB or a coach who doesn't feel the same and make damn sure they demonstrate it.
We need coaches who inspire, hell, demand a killer attitude and swagger and we need players who can walk the walk. Your "we need a QB", "we need a line", and "we need D-MAC" don't mean a damn thing until the culture of this team changes.
Beck might be a rookie and I know that rookies for the most part struggle. Manning, Elway, heck even Montana got benched as a rookie also. But if you you look at footage of all of those rookies first few games they all have completed deep passes down the field no matter how much they struggled. Has Even completed a pass deep down field? I can't remember not once. I would feel better with Brian Brohm as our QB come what may.
Freddy
Cam Cameron should be fired ASAP.He had a shot at two franchise type QB's in this draft Quinn and Edwards and he chose Beck.Beck is the worst QB I have seen in a long time.GM Randy Mueller is also to blame for listening to Cameron and choosing this stiff as our QB.I say clean house and hire Parcells as the GM or the guy from Green Bay Ted Thompson!
Armando, this quote is wrong:
"Unfortunately, the Dolphins have not had good quarterback play all season. "
This quote is wrong not because the Dolphins have not had good quarterback play all season (they haven't), its the fact they haven't had good consistent play from the QB position since #13 retired.
Robert....you said it all man....good post!!
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I been saying it all season long, Beck is a lightweight and until someone steps up (and even if some did, which they have not ) the Dolphins should consider drafting real high a QB.
Dolphins have a lot of moves to make, thats clear. Beyond the obvious regarding Cam (he should resign. And he should not rule out coaching Michigan. Duhh..), if I were GM, in addition to drafting AND signing a QB, I'd also sign one or two experienced WR's in the offseason (lots available, Stallworth, Berrian, more..), one or two experienced defensive linemen, sign an experienced, proven tight end (Dallas Clark?), and draft heavy for all the other holes on defense and at guard. Lots of unnecessary holes now..
Meantime, Wayne should either sell the team or clean house from top to bottom.
I have not turned my back on Cameron and Mueller yet, but if they trade Taylor away for anything less than a 1st round pick, I will want them gone. Any team that picks him up will move him to LB, and he will put up outstanding numbers again. After getting 2nd round picks out of Welker and Chambers, I will despise the Dolphins' decision makers if we only get a 2nd rounder out of Taylor.
Chambers and Welkers are not NFL power houses that deserved a 1st round draft pick. No one would have done the trade for a 1st round. Jason Taylor is old and is the one that sits in the back of the class bickering with others about the teacher. Second round is fine. Get a clue!
As I told Armando on his radio show wednesday night, look at the Buffalo Bills and Cleveland Browns and other talent-challenged teams.
They had uncertain quarterback situations with young, unproven quarterbacks -- Losman in Buffal, Anderson and Frye in Cleveland.
And they went out and drafted a quarterback pretty high this year.
Now, in Buffalo one of the two QBs has stepped up and looks like he's for real. And in Cleveland, one of the three has stepped up and is going to the Pro Bowl.
Having one young QB should not stop you from getting another young QB.
Robert, I never liked Tom Brady either because all he does is throw touchdowns and win Super Bowls. But mostly I don't like him because he's not a Dolphin. And I really wish he was.
Marc - it would absolutely CRAZY to give up a 1st and 3rd pick for Derek Anderson.
You're talking about the #1 overall pick, plus the first pick of round 3, for a single player, to a team that needs 10-12 players.
Remember Ricky williams? we gave up 2 first-round picks for one player. he was fun to watch, but how many times did the TEAM make the playoffs? ZERO.
and what happened when that ONE player left the team? 4-12.
We need as many quality guys as we can get, starting with the D-line and O-line.
please do NOT give half our draft away for one player who's had one good season.
I hear many comparisons to Jimmy Johnson in his 1st year with Dallas that call for patience with Cameron. I don't know if I have any patience left but I would like to point out that Johnson drafted both Troy Aikman and Steven Walsh in his 1st year.
He wasn't willing to put all his eggs in one QB basket because he knew that no NFL team ever will ever amount to much without a great QB. Everyone will scream that Beck is the future and we shouldn't "waste" a pick on another QB. I say baloney!
Jimmy allowed Aikman and Walsh to battle it out and two years later traded Walsh for what? A number 1 draft pick! He got his man and he got back the pick which turned out to be higher because he traded Walsh to a terrible NO team. I can cite more examples as I have before in this blog... Stuabach and Morton, Bradshaw and Hanratty, Bledsoe and Brady…
Having 2 QBs is just smart for a number of reasons; they compete with each other and the team eventually benefits because a strong leader emerges, it shields against injury, it mitigates against one of them being a mistake and we just don't know if Beck is really any good, and you can still trade one of them later and not lose value.
I'm not saying we should use the 1st pick for a QB. I think a trade for more picks is probably in the better interest of the team, but Dallas would have to throw in more than their two number 1s to match the value chart. If we end up keeping the pick and a QB is the number one rated guy, they I would not hesitate to pick him. We will never go anywhere until we find a great QB because it is so vital in the NFL.
Bring back Shula as the GM!!
Why is it that 95.3% of football fans dont realize that NO TIME = BUM when it comes to a QB?
Tom "all world" Brady looks like a FKN bum when hes getting hit in the mouth,remember what Philly,Indy and Baltimore did to him?
Everyone talks about us not having a QB since Dan left but dont you realize that by the time Dan was leaving the line that made him what he was was getting old,hurt and retiring?
The two go hand in hand people!
Decent QB with good OL = good QB
Good QB with good line = very good QB
Great QB with good line = HOF
Great QB with great line = Dan Marino
We do need better play at the QB position no doubt but I dont give a damn who you put behind a bad OL youre going to have a bum at QB!!!!
Bradys line allows him to sit back there ALL FKN DAY and just wait for someone to get open and if everyone is covered just dink it down to Wes,if they bare down on Wes then that means Moss,Stallworth or my momma for that matter will eventually get open and Brady looks like the best to suit up when in reality,if I had ALL FKN DAY to throw then I could look pretty damn good myself!
We should draft a QB every year.
I must admit, I would love to see Tom Brady as a Dolphin; he exemplifies exactly the kind of players we need. My dislike originated in the overwhelming hype the media gave him because of his looks and I dislike QB's whose big claim to fame is the ability to throw 5 yard patterns. No guts, no glory.
However, Brady has showed if you provide him real weapons who can get downfield, he will go for the gold and attempt to plunge the dagger in the opponents heart. His play last week throwing the ball over and over to Wes Welker also demonstrated he will attack you and dare you to stop him.
The issue is he plays for the Patriots and Cam is partially responsible for Brady having those weapons which is yet another reason to fire Cam.
I know a lot of you think Cam should be given more time. A coach whose team is losing and needs time to turn-around the situation is one thing. A coach who is a proven loser, whose actions have resulted in going from bad to worse, who couldn't inspire confidence and loyalty in a puppy dog and whose every action is looked upon as unexplicable, neither deserves nor should be given any more opportunities.
Hire a young, firebrand coach who makes sound decisions and commands the respect of his players. Give him time to turn things around; giving Cam more time simply means you are willing to accept failure long into the future. You might notice I think hiring Cowher would be a mistake. Parcells would be a mistake too.
Whatever dude. I'll give you any QB in the league and this team still is 0-13. Look, if you have no running game, and the O-line can't even hold for a 3-step drop it DOES NOT MATTER who your QB is.
I don't know MT Rick. A First and a Third for a PROVEN, YOUNG, Pretty Damn Good QB might not be the answer, but I wouldn't be appalled at the idea either. We'll still have 2 picks in Rd 2, and the rest of the draft, not to mention whoever we decide to trade for picks and Free Agency. The draft is such a crapshoot! if you can get a YOUNG, PROVEN, TALENTED player, ala Anderson or DeAngelo Hall, even Ricky wasn't a bad choice, he was just RICKY! (and screwed EVERYONE!) I just see how many QB's we've passed on since Dan left and it makes we want to vomit. Regardless none will be good with no O-line/supporting cast, good QB's are hard to come by...See Feeley, Huard, Rosenfels, Harrington, Culpepper, Frerotte, Lemon and Greise are all STARTERS!
There is no disputing the value of a good OL, but these things go hand in hand. Why is it that when Trent Green was running the offense, Ronnie brown was busting runs and we were scoring points. I think it was because Trent Green instilled confidence in the players around him. The OL looks like crap all of a sudden when they don't have confidence in the guy behind them.
Do you think for one minute the NE O-Linemen want to see Brady on his back? And talk about Marino! I distinctly remember Danny getting into the face of an offensive lineman if he screwed up. No one in that huddle wanted to feel the wrath of Danny. He was a leader and the people around him picked up their play because of it. That can be said for every great QB, other players pick up their game in the presence of greatness.
I agree we must have a good OL, the game starts in the trenches, but without a great QB the team will just never be a great team. You can talk about the Ravens or the Bucs, but those were just flashes in the pan. The teams that win week in and week out, year in and year out historically have had a great QBs. Even Shula drafted Marino when WoodStrock had taken him to a SB the previous year! Shula drafted a QB every year and I think his record speaks for itself.
And just as a point of reference, how much impact have D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Nick Mangold had on the Jets? I'm not saying these are not good linemen but they cannot make the Jets any better than 3-10? Could it be that Chad Pennington is simply not that good?
The QB is the first position you must have. You need a good OL I will not dispute that, but without that guy behind the center you just aren't going to be that good.
Can someone name me one recent 1st round QB who has proved to be worth their weight in cash and hold-outs? And I mean "worth it" in relation to the other picks those teams could have had. Jamarcus Russell hasn't proved himself one way or the other, but something tells me Adrian Peterson or Joe Thomas would have been better picks. I hope we don't take a first round QB.
Im not crazy about Cowher either, but I do like the prospect of Marty S, or even Mike Singletary, I would even like to see M Shula interviewed again. Also bring in Jim Mora, he showed some fire and passion about the game. As far as GM goes, you cant beat experience. Parcells fits that mold. DO NOT let the coach be the GM, DO NOT hire an old GM and let him Coach. You must keep them jobs seperated!!! Hell I would even call Dick Vermiel for a GM interview. Oh yeah, dont forget about Jason Garret, wonder if he is related to 'Pat Garret'? Well fellow FINFANS we only have 3 games left and this miserable season will be over. Never have I been ridiculed over being a Dolphins as much as I have this year!! Ive been a fan for over 3 decades.
Marc, I'm right there with you on the puke.
First, I think Cleveland is probably gonna do what they can to keep Derek Anderson around.
Second, I would love to have him, I just think the price is too high (1st and 3rd) given our draft position. if we were picking around #20, thats different. I think we'll have the opportunity to do some things with that #1 pick, ie, trade down a bit for additional picks. If we could pick up a slightly lower 1st, along with another 2nd and 3rd, thats SIX first-day picks we'd have. if we can pull 4 starters out of the draft, plus a couple nice free agents, we could get back to .500 football next year (assuming ronnie/yeremiah/etc can come back 100%).
http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php?/weblog/entry/nfl_draft_compensatory_pick_system_screws_the_weakest_teams/
Good reading. Pretty much shows we'll be doomed for some time....
MTRick, my whole point is, I'm not a fan of the draft. For every Barry Sanders, there's a Matt Leinhart, for every Carson Palmer, there's a Cecil Collins! Being that it's generally common knowledge that the QB is THE MOST important position in the NFL, and arguably ALL of team sports. If we have a chance, and we do, to grab a young, franchise QB, that will be starting his THIRD season, and doesn't need any grooming. One that can make an IMMEDIATE impact, I say, it's worth giving serious consideration. I'd glady give up 2 future unknowns along with the HUGE first round contract for a young, solid QB....I could be wrong
(thats a depressing article)
well, if D.Anderson was forced to come here, he'd demand a #1-pick sized contract, so I dont think we'd save anything there. could be wrong.
I know the draft is a crapshoot, but quality FAs will not want to come to miami. eg, Adelius Thomas took a lesser offer to go to the patsies last year.
I think our only choice is to rebuild thru the draft. who knows if we find a trading partner, but ideally, I'd like to trade down a couple spots from #1, and pick up a 2nd and 3rd round pick, even if the "draft chart" doesn't quite come out even (we may have to give a little bit to trade down).
If we had 6 first-day picks, plus the others, and got starters on 50% of them, and get the IR guys back healthy, we'll be much improved next year, and be on the right track.
Doesnt "WoodStrock taking them to the SB the previous year" prove what a decent QB(s) can do behind a great OL?
Montana wasnt great but he was consistently accurate and accuracy+time to throw = opponents are SCREWED!
I too would much rather have a proven young QB over "the next big thing" in the draft because they can be flipping burgers within 2 years and if Im handing out millions I certainly want a "proven" over a maybe.
Your statement about Green and how he demanded respect in the huddle and the 30PPG kinda proves that he was a great pick-up and the INT's wouldve greatly decreased when he and the receivers refined their timing and tendencies and the D finally started playing pretty good.
Im all for the Anderson trade IF we can still fill our other needs because if we dont then we will have to average 35PPG just to compete and win a few games because our D needs push from the line.
0-16 FTW And I bet Cam is still the head coach next year you know why? CAUSE WE SUCK! Stupid owner = crappy team period. We will be known as the worst team in football history THANK YOU WAYNE!
Its amazing how all of the "experts" thought that fans were crazy for saying that Sage Rosenfels should be given a fair chance at the starting job, now that he is 3-0 as a starter in Houston.
Im amazed how everyone has already given up on Beck.
Do you really want to judge Beck behind a below average o-line, after having lost our top two receivers (Welker, Cambers)..he's now throwing to cement shoes Booker, cement hands Hagan and Rookie Ginn and a TE that cant block in pass protection?
Remember, Cam did NOT want to play Beck this year. This was supposed to be Trent Greens year. Beck is not ready yet and Cam was forced by the fans, the media and unproductive play by Cleo Lemon to get him into the line up before he was ready.
Beck is a good QB and Cam is a good judge of QB talent...give Cam time to get some talent around him and give Beck and the new players time to develop. Cam is a good coach but he's a rookie too and is going to make rookie mistakes. Get behind him as a fan...he will grow with the team and we will eventually be competetive.
The last thing this team needs is a NEW head coach. We need continuity. And frankley, the players need to get behind Cam also and show some loyalty. I love Taylor..but we are the miami dolphins, not the miami taylors. If hes not on board with cam...SHIP HIM OUT!! Wayne needs to send a message that Cam is here to stay and that he is NOT a lame duck coach. Then and only then will the players really PLAY for him.
Fact: We need at least two more drafts/free agency off seasons to raise the talent level of this team...we are then going to need a couple of years with these players, playing in the same system together to be in a position to compete in the playoffs. Forget about a quick fix..its not going to happen. Get behind the team and the coach. Stop crying like a bunch of delusional little girls with unrealistic expectations of this Rookie QB and Rookie coach..
Trade down ...
And do some you actually think the Pats will take McFadden -- a big-money draft pick?
We all know Belichick's style is to build a talented and cap-friendly roster. If he can trade SF's pick for a future first rounder, he will.
In fact, he's such a prick, I wouldn't be surprised if he traded down to the exact pick number that was taken from him during the whole spy-gate mess.
the whole team should get with Rickey and fire one up!! start with wayne!!
I say give Beck a chance, dump Lemon. Do what JJ did in Dallas, but with the top pick instead of 'Hussa" for bait.
The draft is deep enough to put lots of muscle on the line and elsewhere. With protection, healthy RB's (RB, RW, LB, Chappy) and get a couple FA Recievers...
Its not brain surgery!!! .First draft Darren Mcfadden no#1 (Ronnie is average, make him an ABOVE average FULL BACK). Second,with first second round draft pick DRAFT, COLT BRENNAN, very good insurance. Offense is set!!!! Rest of the team mostly Defense should be improved thru free agency and lower draft picks
If you guys don't think drafting a RB that is a threat to score on every touch i.e.DARREN MCFADDEN!. is better then Ronnie (YAWN) average Brown. You deserve to have a losing football team. No#1 Draft pick is for the best , most talented player. Unless Glen Dorsey is King KONG. DO THE RIGHT THING. Lets get UNSTUCK OFF STUPID!!!
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