Update on coach, correction on Traylor argument
First let me tell you that Tennessee defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz has left town following his head coaching interview today.
Reached at the airport on his way back to Nashville, Schwartz declined to discuss his interview or talk about the fact he has virtually no chance to land this job. Also, there was a local published report headlined, "Head-coaching interviews with Tice, Schwartz scheduled," that said Tice was scheduled to visit today or Tuesday. I told you in this space last night I had not been able to confirm any such scheduled interview with Tice.
That is because it ain't happening.
Must I remind you Tony Sparano is the heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy favorite to be hired? Have I not made the point often enough?
Anyway, Jay Feely and I were on 790 The Ticket's Jorge Sedano show earlier discussing the whole end-of-year meltdown that was sandwiched between the New England road game Dec. 23 and the season-finale Dec. 30.
I had reported in my last post on the subject that the argument on the plane between Keith Traylor and Rex Hadnot and Vernon Carey was a result of a heated card or dominoes game between the players. I was wrong.
Feely corrected me, saying the argument was over the quality of play of the offensive linemen. Traylor apparently criticized the offensive linemen's play and that apparently escalated. Feely, one of the few Miami players who performed very well this season, also blamed the argument on the way the seating on the plane is arranged -- with veterans from both the offense and defense sitting up front.
Anyway, just want to keep the record straight. The argument did not boil over because the players were involved in a card or dominoes game. It boiled over because Traylor apparently didn't appreciate the way the offensive linemen performed. Thanks for the correction, Jay.
One thing Feely and I were both agreed on is that episodes like this happen, but they are magnified when a team is 1-15 and the coach and GM get fired.
Reached at the airport on his way back to Nashville, Schwartz declined to discuss his interview or talk about the fact he has virtually no chance to land this job. Also, there was a local published report headlined, "Head-coaching interviews with Tice, Schwartz scheduled," that said Tice was scheduled to visit today or Tuesday. I told you in this space last night I had not been able to confirm any such scheduled interview with Tice.
That is because it ain't happening.
Must I remind you Tony Sparano is the heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy favorite to be hired? Have I not made the point often enough?
Anyway, Jay Feely and I were on 790 The Ticket's Jorge Sedano show earlier discussing the whole end-of-year meltdown that was sandwiched between the New England road game Dec. 23 and the season-finale Dec. 30.
I had reported in my last post on the subject that the argument on the plane between Keith Traylor and Rex Hadnot and Vernon Carey was a result of a heated card or dominoes game between the players. I was wrong.
Feely corrected me, saying the argument was over the quality of play of the offensive linemen. Traylor apparently criticized the offensive linemen's play and that apparently escalated. Feely, one of the few Miami players who performed very well this season, also blamed the argument on the way the seating on the plane is arranged -- with veterans from both the offense and defense sitting up front.
Anyway, just want to keep the record straight. The argument did not boil over because the players were involved in a card or dominoes game. It boiled over because Traylor apparently didn't appreciate the way the offensive linemen performed. Thanks for the correction, Jay.
One thing Feely and I were both agreed on is that episodes like this happen, but they are magnified when a team is 1-15 and the coach and GM get fired.
posted by Armando Salguero at 12:20 PM
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Armando, I appreciate when you admit you were wrong. I also appreciate you are quick to correct the information.
Nobody's perfect, Manndo. But this blog is close.
Don't sweat it Armando, you do the best job in all of South Florida. Feely was over-reacting big time man and he kinda sounded like a jerk to me. (like he's never made a mistake) Keep up the good work man because your the best in the business!!
Instead of monitoring the friggan radio, maybe Feely should be spending his offseason figuring out how to get his kickoffs in the end zone because he sucked at that this year.
As for your ARRRRRmando, I think we all knew you were human before you admitted it here. Don't worry about it.
Armando I heard you and Jay on the radio. Good stuff! Keep at it man you're the best reporter down there for Fins info.
It's like a recap of a really bad soap opera. I rate this one just slightly more interesting than whatever the latest Britney Spearks article is about.
Good, I'm glad it wasn't over freaking dominoes. Seemed like they cared more about that than what football, but since it was over Traylor talking bad about our O-Line, then I'm glad Vernon and Rex stood up and confronted him about it. I think it's obvious the only dominoes Keith Traylor is involved in is the crappy pizza place. And for the record 'd like us to hire Scwartz. I rather have a defensive guy and bringing back Jim Bates would be awesome too I liked him. I like the cleaning house thing and do have faith in the changes. I expect us to be back in the playoffs within 3 years assuming we have a few good drafts and bring in good role players in free agency. Some guys to look at this year could be Alan Faneca, Bryant Johnson, Terrell Suggs and LJ Smith. Not a whole lot of secondary help available but if we really wanted to, we could trade for Deangelo Hall for not too much even though he's one of those thugs that Parcells said he doesn't want (I don't want either.) Either way here's hoping they turn things around sooner rather than later.
Feely sounded like a jerk to me. I thought you were reasonable and accepted responsibility for your report's mistake but he sounded bitter about the whole deal. It takes a big man to handle it with class like you did and I appreciate it. I also appreciate you got the correction up on this site almost right away. I was driving from lunch and when I got back it's already on here. Good job, Mando.
I'm with trenton, Feely has not been impressive. Virtually no touchbacks and almost all of his FGs have been the 30-40 yard variety.
But yet he seems to be the team spokesman....just like he's been with the team for years. I have a feeling that the new mgmt. will find a new home for Mr. Feely.
Who wrote all these comments to Mando, his mom, dad, siblings and close friends... all making sure to say "what a great writer he is, and to not worry about making a mistake." First of all, I've never seen this many complimentary comments left for Mando, so clearly he had some people make up for how many bashed him last week for talking trash about the Dolphins logo... Second of all, he is not deserving of this sudden influx of compliments.
Actually, Armando was right about the uniforms and logo. They suck!!!
The all-white makes the team look like a bunch of nurses. And the stupid Dolphin on the helmet is too yesterday and it's not even the original one we had during the Super Bowl years.
So screw you anonymous
You are an idiot, (the person who said "so screw you anonymous") because whether or not the logo "sucks" is not the point. The point is, it is very disrespectful, let alone un-professional to the franchise and its history, when a flash-in-the-pan writer for the team comes in and condescendingly mentions the logo as "not intimidating." Whether there is an argument to change it or not is a moot point, dumbass, because that was a matter of classlessness by this writer. He should have certain unspoken guidelines of decency and professionalism when "opinionating" on the team he was hired to write about. So screw YOU, anonymous.
How come Darlington never answers questions? Jason Cole used to do it at least a couple of times a week.
Ooohh, some anonymous moron said screw you back to me. Now I'm really mad.
Look buttwipe, the writer has every right to question how dumb the Miami uniform is these days. More so when he's probably right. The unis are boring and uninspiring.
And you shouldn't be giving any lessons on class or classlessness because you have no freaken clue what class is. Turd.
Not one person has mentioned the most interesting part of this post: That the Schwartz is no longer with the Dolphins.
I'm no fan of yours, but you weren't wrong, you were reported wrong information by someone else that was on the team...Feely made a butt out of himself trying to corner you in during the interview, and you were right to just let it go b/c at that point in time, he was just looking to split hairs...
Hey Pot, this is Kettle. You're Black.
Armando, quit sucking up to Feely. He sucks and strikes me as a locker room lawyer. He ripped Ricky Williams without even knowing Ricky Williams. Then when Ricky showed up, I'm sure Feely didn't say anything to his face or admit to ripping him. Dolphins need less of that.
Why is nobody as irate as I am that Traylor is criticizing the o-line when the d-line was 10,000 times worse.
Two questions:
1. What did I miss about the uniforms? Who said what?
2. If sitting the O and D veterans up front on the plane is not common protocol, what is?
I have no problem with Jay Feely. Probably was the best free agency aquisition the previous regime ever made. Jay had every right to rip into Ricky Williams, the guy was a team captain. What the hell has Ricky ever done for this team besides have two great seasons? Somebody... Anybody... Please tell me what Ricky Williams has done for this franchise besides the 2002 & 2003 seasons?
Ricky has been nothing more than a headache for the organization, and most fans. Screw Ricky Williams.
Armando I have something for you to investigate. We gave Cam hell for Drafting the Ginn Family and rightfully so but the Tuna does the same thing.
Did Tuna not draft Carpenter LB #1,who is the son of former NFL player Rob Carpenter who has some Parcel ties. Carpenter has been nothing more than a special teams player.
And TE Fasano who's father played for Tuna.The current Fasano caught 14 passes this year and dropped a TD in the playoffs against the Giants. Fasano, I think was drafted in the second round and was considered a huge reach being drafted that early.
Are there any other players Tuna has drafted for the "family"? Might make for a nice feature.
Armando, I didn't think anyone truly thought those guys were arguing over a game of dominoes. It was a long trying season and these guys probably had more than a couple beers in them. Maybe if these types of confrontations had happened earlier in the year, they could have somehow been motivational. I do give Cameron some credit, any other team would have fallen apart much earlier.
That may be part of the problem; Cam was just too nice, too soft, too much of a gentleman in a game that demands aggression and anger along with the ability to stay focused while that adrenaline is running in the veins. That's why they practice all those reps, to be able to make plays in the heat of the moment.
Anyway, players challenging each other is not a bad thing in my opinion. It just needs to stay behind the closed locker room door.
I just read your blog Armando and went to Jorge Sedano's show archive at 790's website & listened to the conversation.
I thought the whole conversation brought some interesting insight to what goes on behind the scenes and you guys gather your information or is this case misinformation.
Along with, how well all 3 of you handled yourself & kept it professional.
Thanks to Armando, Jorge & Jay for the 20 minutes of good radio.
I heard that Beck was doing blow in the back of the plane with some strippers, like Miguel Ferrer in Robocop....
From Patrick "That may be part of the problem; Cam was just too nice, too soft, too much of a gentleman in a game that demands aggression and anger along with the ability to stay focused while that adrenaline is running in the veins."
Tony Dungy does not coach with anger and agression, the game does not "demand" that, but obviously many coaches resort to it as the do not know how to lead men and command respect any other way. Other examples? Joe Gibbs, Bill Walsh, Tom Landry, Marv Levy, Weeb Ewbank, Hank Stram etc etc. And I don't know for sure, but I don't think Bellichick is a screaming, bulging neck vein type either.
whats with this "finz logo sux" crap?
we are the miami DOLPHINS, what do ya think should be on the helmet, a possum?
"its' sooo yesterday".....
what do you want to do, put a do-rag on the fish and hang a bunch gold chains and other hip hop garbage on him? have the fish tatted down and blasting with his 9?
come on, get real! miami is a beach city, hence the colors and we are the dolphins, not the sharks or the pit bulls or the
gangstas.
i love the fact the team has kept the tradition and NOT givin in to a bunch of hi-schoolers that would paint the fish black and give him gold shark teeth.
oh, and thank GOD that worthless, spineless, cam camoron is GONE!!
he is lucky traylor and or joey didnt give him the beat down of his life!
i am ALL ABOUT respect for the coach, but cam was not a head coach or much of a man from what it sounds like. you have to EARN respect and cam DIDNT.
Once again you got it wrong. Jay said the only reason the argument got out in public and the coaches had to get involved was because of the seating. Otherwise the players would have handled the fight and the coaches would never have gotten involved.
On the Dolphins logo not being intimidating? What in the hell are you guys smoking. Do you think that any player actually thinks that they can beat a guy one on one because there's a DOLPHIN on his opponents helmet? You could put Jason Taylor in a pink uniform and players would still be scared to line up in front of him because he is GOOD. That is one of the dumbest things I have ever read. Intimidating uniforms HA! Only people who have never played organized sports could come up with something so ridiculous. NYScott
to Ron in Charleston: if only it were true about beck,blow & strippers. At least we'd know if have a QB. lol. I'm old enough to remember Namath in his younger days when not only could he party like a rock star but get on the field an produce. Although QB's on the straight and narrow seem to be better QB's as far as Winng SB'S. Witness Manning, Brady(is having babies out of wedlock a bad thing considering 75% of the male population of the world can claim that and can't throw a td on sundays), Farve, Montana, Young, Starr (i heard he didn't hang out with Horning and his crew), Williams, Dilfer, Aikman, Etc. Maybe we do have something in Beck? I still want the Rock Star in the bac of the plane doing blow with some strippers lol. Ron in Vegas, Peace.
Also, Keith Traylor was questioning the O-LINES play?! That has to be a joke right? This line had Ronnie Brown on his way to the pro bowl and the d-line was ranked near the bottom of the league in run defense. Traylor can't even play a full game because he's so worn out! I agree with the notion that the o-line needs improvement but talk about the pot and the kettle, Traylors comments were dumb. NYScott
ARMANDO, WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR SHOW ON 790 THE TICKET THE " FINS INSIDER" ? I REALLY ENJOYED LISTENING TO YOU WITH KEVIN ROGERS.
feely had a pretty good season. I went to some games and the dolphins just looked awful . It was like we didn't even try and some of the blame is the offense but mainly the defense.
But you forgot one thing the coaching was horrible
But you forgot one thing the coaching was horrible
I've played organized sports and cool uni's do make a difference. Players like to look good. From the rumblings online this year and last year it looks like change is coming. A black shark with gold teeth sounds good. Just way kidding! Ron in Vegas
To pgadolfan,
Good post. However, I'm not holding my breathe when it comes to looking for the posts that criticize Parcells for showing favoritism. My guess is those same posters that nailed Cam for the "Ginn family" comment, will be silent when it comes to Billy doing the same thing.
I understand why the current regime desires familiarity with their coaching hires, but it seems that you had to practically be a roommate of Parcell's to get a job. As long as we win though, I don't care.
Ann Arbor Dolfan
To all the simple-minded folks who think that anyone bashing Mando for his dumb comment on the uniforms was about whether he was "right" or not... you are all morons. We are bashing Mando, because he should know better than to insult 40 years of a proud franchise, when that very franchise is the team he is paid to report on. Now, please move to Utah or Montana, or some other random town with other simple-minded morons who are so ignorant to the world around them, that they refuse to comprehend it. Thank you. -The Management
Mando...Jay's comment that the problem was integrated seating...defense and offense?
betcha that ain't a problem on the Pat's team plane....and as someone said, it's the pot and kettle thing...
Too bad all this stuff couldn't have stayed private....I think the Cam haters on the Fins were not unhappy this went public...
Hhhm let me see..
Wes Welker goes to the Patriots and ends up tied for the lead league in pass receptions and then Chris Chambers helps San Diego finally make the AFC championship game.
Do any of you Mueller/Cameron lovers think Patriots or Chargers want their second round picks back?
If the Patriots end up with a 19-0 season you all can rest assured it would not have happened without the dumbass Welker trade. How ironic.
Traylor should worry about stopping the other team from rushing for 200+ yards a game instead of what the o-line is doing
I love our logo. It is what we are...and what we've always been. I hate what Denver did to theirs. I hate the expansion frachises logo's...like Carolina's, the Titans, and Jacksonville's. They look NFL Europa to me.
Look at all the franchises who've held on to their history. The only team I wish had...is the Patsies. Their old unis were HORRIBLE. lol
JinVA
armando,
you accusing skolnick of being the reporter of giving zt bad info? who cares who it was, you are the reporter. you aren't the story, we don't give a crap about you. quit making drama between the papers you dumbass. get a life.
I agree your a writer not a damn teenager pointing out who is smoking under the stairs, and for all the fans wanting to change the logo, please go be fans of the jets, pats, or bills, they are already full of dumb asses and one or two more wouldnt make much difference.
That Giants logo really scared the hell out of the Dallas logo yesterday. Terrell Owens is still crying about how it's not his teams logos fault. But we know better.
By the way, I'd love to see the chargers lightning bolt logo zap the hell out of that gay patriot logo.
We should get a pissed off dolphin logo with a big scar across his back from a speed boat accident. That would be so menacing.
Man was it nice to see someone finally put you in your place (That is since H. Wayne did it a few years ago) Your work is a joke. You are clearly the worst beat writer in South Florida, and that is saying something. I hope the Herald finally wakes up and sees what a clown you are and hires someone who knows something about football and integrity.
Armando you remain, without question, the best guy covering the Dolphins and have been for a decade.
I listened to the interview on the website and it was clear that even when you and Feely didn't agree, there was a mutual respect. I don't know of any writers down here that hold that kind of authority anymore.
Kudos.
Adam has a tiny wee-wee.
Yeah, Adam you think Armando sucks which is why you are on the man's blog. You are a moron. And you wife apparently doesn't think much of you either.
You know, I'm interested in the dolphins, grew up on 'em, belonged to the original huddle club, etc. But I just don't get a bunch of guys who presumably consider themselves manly, getting so intense over this kind of drama. At least when women talk about the soaps they keep it civil. Jeez.
There has been quite a lot of discussion about the Dolphins uniform and that it, "is not intimidating." May of you have dismissed this comment as being untrue or ridiculous?
I do not necessarily think that the Dolphins need to drastically change their uniforms but it does make a difference.
Hockey may be foreign to many of you but it is a tough man's sport like football. In the 1990's in the NHL the New York Islanders changed their logo to, "appear tougher" by adding a Long Island fisherman with a snarling look on his face and brandishing a hockey stick in a menacing manner. It looked like the Gorton's fisherman from the frozen fish isle of your local supermarket and the players were ridiculed for wearing it on the ice. It was quickly changed back to the old venerable logo by the end of that season and the change was reflected in the performance of the team.
You cannot tell me that the Dolphins players do not hear it on the field. When you hear something like that it makes you first perform harder to try to show them how tough you really are and then after anger changes nothing you sulk and perform worse.
I for one thought the Dolphins made a mistake by changing to the, "tougher" dolphin logo. The newer logo is cartoony and hard to take seriously. Fact is our team was at its best before the uniforms were "updated" in the 1990s.
It all dates back to the Pittsburg game when Rex "HAVENOT" went on national TV and introduced the offensive line as the most improved in the NFL. I am surprised the team did not implode sooner. This was the most dysfunctional franchise in the NFL this past season. Let the purge continue!
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