Dolphins talking trade for Shaun Rogers
The Dolphins have joined a group of about five AFC teams actively talking to the Lions about trading for nose tackle Shaun Rodgers, according to a report out of Booth Newspapers in Michigan.
I have been unable to confirm this report locally so understand this could be akin to reports about Miami liking Minnesota receiver Troy Williamson, who is going to end up in Jacksonville, or reports saying Trent Green was going to come back to the Dolphins even though he only recently has been cleared to play after two concussions in two seasons.
But several reasons to believe Miami's interest in Rogers is legitimate do exist. First, Bill Parcells, who is running the Dolphins these days, has in the past waxed glowing praise on Rogers -- this coming when Parcells was the Dallas coach and the Cowboys were preparing to play the Lions.
Secondly, have you noticed the Dolphins roster? It doesn't have a viable starting-caliber nose tackle on it. Keith Traylor is gone and there really is no free agent option out there to fill the large void. A rookie could do that but the Dolphins are apparently not willing to spend their first round pick on USC's Sedrick Ellis. The second round pick would do no good as Ellis is a top 10 player.
So the idea could be to get in on the Rogers talk and see if the Dolphins can climb over the four other teams that have been dealing with Detroit GM Matt Millen for over two weeks now. It is fair to believe Millen wants a second round pick for Rogers.
It is also fair to believe no team will want to give higher than a third-round pick. The Dolphins could easily use the lower of their two second round picks (coming from San Diego in the Chris Chambers trade) to get this thing done.
Now why is Rogers on the trade block? Well, he's a fine player when he's engaged and interested and in shape. The problem is he's not always engaged and interested. And he's definitely not always in shape.
Rogers is listed at 340 pounds but was pushing 360 at times last season -- like during the season, when players typically lose weight. The Lions were bitterly disappointed in Rogers when he seemed to slow down the final eight games of the season. As the team was 1-7 in those games and dropped from playoff contention, Rogers pretty much struggled during that time with the exception of a 2.5-sack showing against KC.
Not surprisingly, that was the only game the Lions won down the stretch.
Regardless of that roller-coaster season, Rogers is still considered a dominant player when he's "into it," so to speak. And at 28 years old he could be at the top of his game for another four or five years, assuming he starts taking care of his body better.
Rogers, by the way, is not the only defensive tackle on the trade market. Jacksonville's Marcus Stroud, New York's Dewayne Robertson, and Carolina's Kris Jenkins are also available for various reasons. Robertson, is notable in that he is the one with the most experience playing in a 3-4 but is also the least accomplished of the group. I find it hard to believe anything can happen with him considering his team, like the Dolphins, is in the AFC East.
No trade can happen until after midnight tonight, meaning there will be a handful of trades made tomorrow and Saturday.
I have been unable to confirm this report locally so understand this could be akin to reports about Miami liking Minnesota receiver Troy Williamson, who is going to end up in Jacksonville, or reports saying Trent Green was going to come back to the Dolphins even though he only recently has been cleared to play after two concussions in two seasons.
But several reasons to believe Miami's interest in Rogers is legitimate do exist. First, Bill Parcells, who is running the Dolphins these days, has in the past waxed glowing praise on Rogers -- this coming when Parcells was the Dallas coach and the Cowboys were preparing to play the Lions.
Secondly, have you noticed the Dolphins roster? It doesn't have a viable starting-caliber nose tackle on it. Keith Traylor is gone and there really is no free agent option out there to fill the large void. A rookie could do that but the Dolphins are apparently not willing to spend their first round pick on USC's Sedrick Ellis. The second round pick would do no good as Ellis is a top 10 player.
So the idea could be to get in on the Rogers talk and see if the Dolphins can climb over the four other teams that have been dealing with Detroit GM Matt Millen for over two weeks now. It is fair to believe Millen wants a second round pick for Rogers.
It is also fair to believe no team will want to give higher than a third-round pick. The Dolphins could easily use the lower of their two second round picks (coming from San Diego in the Chris Chambers trade) to get this thing done.
Now why is Rogers on the trade block? Well, he's a fine player when he's engaged and interested and in shape. The problem is he's not always engaged and interested. And he's definitely not always in shape.
Rogers is listed at 340 pounds but was pushing 360 at times last season -- like during the season, when players typically lose weight. The Lions were bitterly disappointed in Rogers when he seemed to slow down the final eight games of the season. As the team was 1-7 in those games and dropped from playoff contention, Rogers pretty much struggled during that time with the exception of a 2.5-sack showing against KC.
Not surprisingly, that was the only game the Lions won down the stretch.
Regardless of that roller-coaster season, Rogers is still considered a dominant player when he's "into it," so to speak. And at 28 years old he could be at the top of his game for another four or five years, assuming he starts taking care of his body better.
Rogers, by the way, is not the only defensive tackle on the trade market. Jacksonville's Marcus Stroud, New York's Dewayne Robertson, and Carolina's Kris Jenkins are also available for various reasons. Robertson, is notable in that he is the one with the most experience playing in a 3-4 but is also the least accomplished of the group. I find it hard to believe anything can happen with him considering his team, like the Dolphins, is in the AFC East.
No trade can happen until after midnight tonight, meaning there will be a handful of trades made tomorrow and Saturday.
posted by Armando Salguero at 12:09 PM
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This is a no brainer. Trade the second 2nd round pick. That will be better than any other team antes up. This is a freebie when you consider it doesn't mean giving up our original #1 overall and the 32nd pick overall.
Parcells knows what he is doing. He can motivate Rogers like nobody on the Lions could. He'll be in shape. He'll be in the Pro-Bowl. He's a stud of a DT. He'll make Miami better instantly. Just keep him away from fast food!
Go Dolphins!
Marcus Stroud is also available. Can you look into that Armando?
Love it, love it, love it. Plus the Dolphins should be able to get a good deal out of this because they are dealing with a chimp-brained GM in Detroit.
Well, there are certainly question marks with him... but there would be question marks with the guy we drafted in that slot. I think the trade would be worth the risk. Also, I'm okay w/ Flozell coming to town, but not Faneca. Didn't we learn our lesson w/ Joey Porter? Steelers fans are glad to get rid of Faneca - his skills are diminishing. Teams will be throwing tons of cash his way also. And trade JT to the Broncos in the 2nd round. And do the Dallas trade if we can. And then trade Marion Barber to the Falcons for their latter 2nd round pick. Take the top remaining CB at #22, Dan Conner at #28, Branden Albert at #32, the top remaining WR w/ the Barber pick, John Carlsen w/ the JT pick & if we still have the Chambers pick, take the best NT available. Take Jamie Silva with our 3rd round pick.
martin K . when can we sign u up as GM of the dolphins.
Stroud is a 4-3 guy. We have some of those. No reason to trade for 4-3 DT right now.
I agree...trade the SD 2nd rd pick for him. As for the #1 pick, why not pick McFadden, then dangle him to the highest bidder? He seems to be the consensus best player in the draft. I think this year's draft needs to be about quality AND quantity. McFadden might get the Dolhins 2-3 extra picks.
Stroud is a huge defensive tackle in the same mold of a Shaun Rogers. Shaun Rogers plays a 4-3 too. But he has the size to switch to the 3-4. So does Stroud.
not sure why we need this guy now. We're not a contender this year and giving up more draft picks for another teams reject is what got us into this mess. Draft a young player and let him developin for a couple of years. I wouldn't do the trade. If he was a FA thats something else but giving up picks is only good ifyou're a contender and we're far from it
Look at Keith Traylor, he was a dominant nose until he was 38 years old. Rogers is 28. He could be dominant for 5 or 6 years. We should be rebuilt as a team in 3 years. He can be a short-term fix or a long-term solution. If he last 3 or 4 years, that gives us 3 or 4 years to find someone else. If he lasts 10 years, he gives us the solution we need.
Why does everybody say no to this guy, no to that guy, no to everyone, just because we're rebuilding.
By definition, rebuilding means you bring in better players (hopefully). That doesn't preclude better players with experience. Geez.
Amen
I don't know why anyone thinks that Bill P. will be the motivator for Shaun Rogers...he's NOT the coach, Tony S. is. Having said that I think that it's the right move to make for the second 2nd round pick and I also agree that McFadden is the best pick, as we need Quality and Quantity. Up until THIS season, Ronnie Brown hadn't done anything to write home about. Now he's coming off a torn ACL which is going to take more than 1 year to fully recover from. McFadden is the best pick in the draft at this point and the only true number 1. We're not going to the Superbowl this year so you get the best you can this year. If you have to use the number one pick, use it on the consensus number 1 guy. We need someone we can get excited about for a change. Quality AND Quantity, I like it.
I love these hypothetical draft scenarios that are totally unrealistic. This is the NFL NOT MADDEN!
I say take Shaun Rogers if he will be able to provide more value over the long-term than the potential player drafted with the second round pick.
How about that for armchair GM.
I know this is a bit off topic but I think the draft last year was great for us. I think Miami had one of the best drafts since Marino was drafted last year. I think Ginn, even if a reach, Beck, Satele, and Booker were all great additions that will be productive for years to come. I think it was one of the better drafts in the NFL last year. Cam certainly had issues as a head coach, but he and Mueller are masters of talent evaluation while working together (though the Porter acquisition was terrible value-wise). Parcells/Ireland is going to get a lot of credit for foundation that was laid with last year's draft. Prior coaches didn't have the cajones to cut Zach, trade useless Chambers, and get a starting center for Welker. We are not as bad off now as we coulda been had the draft been a disaster last year.
I agree with the last comment that last year's draft could help us. I also like the addition of Q. Moses who was a third rounder for the Raiders. We also have Crowder, Allen, Roth, and R. Wright from the draft before that should start to come into their own. I like Shaun Rogers but that second pick in the second round could be used for a QB like Flacco or Henne or another offense or defensive lineman. Experts state that this draft has similiar value from picks 15-40 which is where that second pick would be valuable.
True but the second rounder we have when be in the high fifties.
W would have to trade it now not knowing what will happen in the draft. Remember we have the first pick in the third round which is equivalent to the last pick in the second round as well.
Let me ask you guys this....WHY??? would we give up our second pick in the second round.....is, as Armando says, no one is willing to give up more than a 3rd for him?? WE HAVE THE FIRST PICK IN THE THIRD ROUND!!!! SO WE ARE AHEAD OF EVERYONE ELSE!!!
You guys make no sense....Armando says no one is willing to give up more than a third so we give up our second pick in the second round when we already have the first pick in the third....all of you including you Armando...THINK!! You remind me of Cam, Dave, and the Nicktator....no wonder our drafts have sucked!
Why? You ask...Well other teams aren't a s desperate for a 3-4 run stopper with talent. That's the whole point. Sometimes you have to overpay to fill a dire need. Without Traylor we HAVE to get one if we are gonna play the 3-4. Rogers is more of a sure thing in that slot. We still need veterans if want to even be competitive.
The Raiders just gave Tommy Kelly a $50M (i think) contract as a 4-3 DT. Premier DT's are EXPENSIVE. And Rogers is a premier DT.
Hey Ron...you're dead on man. Last years draft was a solid one. You left out two other guys I think have some talent in K. Smith and Abraham Wright. Remember A.W. had a HUGE camp, but had a tough time cracking the lineup with Joey and JT playing. Not to mention we played a lot of 4-3 when Vonnie was dinged.
I'd LOVE to see us trade for S. Rogers. The guy is still young, and as was pointed out...there aren't many true NT prospects in the draft. Rogers would fill that "need" and allow us to truly play a 3-4 like we need to...JT played amazing two years ago...as evidenced by his defensive player of the year honors.
We could have Rod Wright, S. Rogers, and V. Holiday on the line and allow Joey and JT to play standing up...and let Abraham Wright get in the mix.
To the guy who asked why we'd give a late #2 when other teams aren't willing to pay more than a 3rd. Well...I think the "assumption" is...that is the only way the Lions would part with Rogers. The guy is a great player, and he's under contract, so if it takes a 2nd to get him per/the Lions...then that's what it takes. Just because other teams will only pay a 3rd doen't mean that's what he's worth!
However...I wouldn't mind us starting by offering our 3rd which is the first pick of course just to see what the Lions say! ;-)
What in the hell is wrong with Greg Cote? David Carr? Please! He must be smoking!
One more thing...isn't anyone else surprised we aren't showing more interest in Hadnot? He's big, young, and capable of backing up Satele.
Hey Armando...have you heard any reason why they've held off so long negotiating w/him? What's the REAL reason???
I am not in love with Faneca...at first glance I thought he'd be a good option, but after watching a few of the Steeler games again...I didn't think he played on a Hutchinson level...and he's gonna ask for Hutch level dollars.
I'd prefer we keep Hadnot, Satele, and Carey together. Sign Flo Adams, draft Jake Long, and trade up to draft B. Albert. That would give us 6 solid olineman with Mormino coming back too, so 7 in reality. We ALL know you need quality depth on the O-line, and Ronnie, Beck, and Lo Booker need some blocking to have some success.
Trading for S. Rogers would allow us to go back to playing a 3-4 where our D is better suited!
As for the Madden reference above...I've been a loyal Madden player since '86 when it came out...and honestly...this is the FIRST year I'm not looking forward to the game.
Sad but a true indication of the state of our team!
Isn't Rogers that fat guy that ran back a fumble for a td last year and passed out in the end zone?
All my exclamation points remind me of that Seinfeld episode!!!
I'll stop doing that...
hee hee
Hey Anonymous...yes...that was S. Rogers. He's a 10 year younger version of K. Traylor.
Oh...and hey Marcus...Marcus Stroud is 6'6" and 306. He's 34 lbs. lighter than S. Rogers...and not your prototypical NT...he's more in the mold of a D. Gardner...where S. Rogers is more in the mold of Tim Bowens.
It doesn't matter if he weighs 306. I have seen Marcus Stroud. He is huge, strong and a Pro Bowler. More than capable of playing the 3-4. And I know he is listed at 304 but be is no way 304. More like 320-330.
Not saying that I want him more than Rogers. Just keeping my options open. You may have Stroud confused with John Henderson, the other Jaguars tackle. He is a 4-3 tackle and is built like Darryl Gardner.
No wonder he is being shopped around. In 2007 Detroit's defense ranked #32 in yards allowed through the middle with 5.09 yards per play. Where the hell was Rogers at? I don't want this guy on the team!
Why would you give up either 2nd round pick? Why don't we just give our 3rd round pick, isn't that better than everyone else's 3rd rounder since we have the worst record?
Here were Miami's rushing defense stats last year. Runs to the:
Right End 5.54 ypp = #31
Right Tackle 5.33 ypp = #30
Middle 4.26 = #21
Left Tackle 4.62 = #23
Left End 4.35 = #20
Who was our Right DE and Right LB last year?
Ok, here we go. A REALISTIC wish list for the next couple of months. Free agents: F. Adams, M. Williams (Cin. safety), WR (Hackett, B. Johnson, etc. 2nd tier). Swap picks with Atl for D. Hall,
1. Chris Long
2. Sam Baker / J. Otah / OL
2. Flacco or Henne if available, if not more beef
3. Trade for S. Rogers
4. TE or LB
5. N/A
6. More Beef
D-line: V. Holiday, S. Rogers, C. Long with R. Wright & Solai as backup.
LB: Taylor, Porter, Crowder, TBD, with Q. Moses, M. Roth, K. Smith, A. Wright as back ups.
Secondary: D. Hall, W. Allen, S:M. Williams, R. Hill
OL: F. Adams, V. Carey, S. Satele, S. Baker (groom for left tackle, play guard till then), TBD
Competition at QB with Beck, Flacco and T. Green. No player other than Green & Taylor is over age 33, good mix of youth to fill along with next year's draft. What do you think??
Right DE was Rod Wright/Vonnie Holiday. Right LB was Joey Porter.
And Matt Roth. Rod White is A DT and played mostly in that role if I am not mistaken...
Here's a scenario:
Trade Ronnie Brown and a late draft pick (or John Beck)to the Browns for Brady Quinn. Then we draft McFadden with the #1. That gives us our QB and RB of the future all in one move. The Browns want a RB and they are stupid if they want to pay Anderson and Quinn starting QB money. I am not a Brady Quinn lover, but I think he performed fairly well in the preseason games he played. At least he showed he can play in the NFL. The QB's in this draft scare me. If dumbass Cameron would have just drafted Quinn last year, we wouldn't be in this situation. We would have our QB, RB (Ronnie) and we could use this years #1 on one of the Long's..........
Anonymous (who says to trade for Quinn)...you are quite possibly the biggest idiot to ever grace this blog or maybe even the Internet in general.
Quinn showed nothing that he could do in the NFL by your logic Beck showed a great preseason as well. Trade Brown And Beck for Quinn and draft McFadden.
1.)Ronnie Brown does not have off the field issues.
2.) McFadden is knockin up every woman he meets which is not the sign of a good decision maker.
3.)McFadden hasnt proven ANYTHING in the NFL unlike Brown
4.)The Browns just signed Jamal Lewis to a big $$$ contract with $10M guaranteed over the next 2 years, so why would they trade for Ronnie?
5.)The Browns failed to work out a long term deal with ANderson meaning he will be a UFA next year, so if Quinn is so great why would they want Beck?
6.)If we did that we would have an unproven but big game choking QB and an unproven RB with character issues and we wont have anything to trade down with nor will we have Chris or Jake Long. Not to mention it doesnt make sense for Cleveland anyway.
Frerotte was just released by the Rams. Anyone think he would be a good back up veteran? He was damn decent in Miami.
I don't know why not one person has mentioned this but why do we want to sign a guy to a huge contract when he has a history of not caring? Aren't we trying to get away from those types of players? So they say he mailed it in for the last 8 games of the season last year and that was after the Lions were off to a decent start. What can we expect from this guy if we lose our first 4 games? Is he going to pout and give up again or is everyone thinking he just needs a change of scenery? I'm really not understanding this logic. Give up a 2nd round pick AND big bucks for a guy who has a history of being lazy?
You are right. Ronnie doesn't have off field issues. He also doesn't have 2 good legs nor has he ever run a 4.35 40. Unless the doctors put some bionics in the man, he never will.
As far as drafting a big game choking QB last year? Oh, that's right. Ginn turned us into a, what was it? Oh yeah, 1-15 NFL team. I am glad we wasted that pick on a Kick/punt returner that ran out of bounds every chance he got.
Cleveland has one RB, Lewis. Every team that is worth a shit in the NFL has 2 backs that contribute. As far as Beck to the Browns, they need a decent back up to Anderson. You just said to me that the Browns spent all this money on Lewis why would they want another back? Well the same is true for the 2 QB's.
If you think Beck is better or will be better than Quinn, I think you just won the award for the biggest idiot that has ever logged onto the internet. Do you even watch any football? Stick with soccer and sip on your Zima....
Ronnie Brown isn't about speed. That guy is a freaking beast. He was running MF'ers over like a man possessed before he got hurt (trying to make a tackle playing defense on an interception).
What do you know about either one's NFL potential?
And if we drafted Quinn he woulda sat on the bench all year too and we wouldn't have had Ginn at all and he did contribute. Beck and Ginn were not why we went 1-15. And yes people want 2 RB's but by yor logic of paying mega-millions to two at one time, who does that? By your logic then why not keep Brown and draft McFadden? Trading a way Beck before he has had a REAL opportunity to prove himself when we have MAJOR needs at OL DL LB and secondary, oh and receiver is STUPID. We already drafted our QB and RB of the future and we have Williams and Booker and Mauia to fill in and who knows who else. It all starts in the trenches. Thank God Parcelkls knows that because you sure as hell don't.
ron, dont even acknowledge anonymous anymore, that guy has no idea about football and its quite obvious or all that garbage he typed on this board. Ronnie was only leading the NFL in yards from scrimmage before he got injured last year so he aint going anywhere. Mcfadden is a luxury that we cannot afford.
We must build up both lines and hope for the best. No more drafting skill positions, we need tackles, guards, and d linemen to protect our qb (whoever that is, i say give beck some competition with another rookie drafted in later rounds), and pressure the other teams' qb. its not like we're competing for the playoffs so theres no reason to draft or pay for recievers and qbs. if the qb doesnt have time to stand up and throw then how the hell is the reciever gonna catch the ball downfield? he wont even have time to get open. Draft jake or chris long, they are good character guys and are almost no risk. I dont like the idea of trading away draft picks for rogers either, lets draft our own DT and see what happens...parcells knows how to draft defense so id let him to his thing, isnt that why we brought him here???
But there aren't premium-level NT's in this draft. I think Rogers is worth a third rounder. Maybe our fourth which is technically the last of the third and a seventh? I think you go for it. If Parcells believes he is worth trading for then I trust he is worth it.
anonymous i like ur mock draft for the dolphins except for the whole joe flacco theory whats wrong with you people bec was not a bad pic he needs protection and overall he needs a tightend who can catch the ball and there is a great crop this year who will be available from round 2 and on.analyst suggest that only one or two will go in the 1rst round there fore leaving a handfull maybe even Justin Keller who is 2nd amounst the TE but the most athletic sort of like Kellen Winslow
Plus we should hae a couple of compensatory picks for once since we cut so many vets.
No higher than a 3rd round pick! This guy is definitley worth a 2nd and maybe a 5th or 6th thrown in. How many dominant NT's are there in the league? Few. Who wouldn't be unmotivated playing for the hapless Lions in Detroit (ugh) and Matt Millen.
This guy will make the D better, immediately. I hope it happens.
First of all we SHOULD not do this why you ask.. why you ask well lets see first of all our main issue is not NT its our secondary or didn't anyone watch the NE game where Moss just ate up our secondary. So save the picks and go after either A.Samuel, or G.Wilson. Also now with Z.thomas gone how about we look at trading JT to anyone but NE like I hate to say it to the jets for J. Vilma and some picks.. First pick in the draft should be G. Dorsey because as the combine showed this draft is stocked of RB's. Oh and David Carr but I believe I saww Mr. knee ok Culpepper on the list how about giving him a 1 yr deal to let beck sit for a little more....Last thing while vets are good long term rookies can have a greater potential..
Just because we are rebuilding doesnt mean that we don't need to try and win now either. Why do you think Tuna cleared all that cap space? Besides, Rogers is young. He'll be the center piece of our DL for hte next 5 years. Also, it doesnt make sense to trade JT if your trading for Rogers. As for the 1st pick... I think Jerry Jones made it clear he's not interested in McFadden. The only position worth putting all that #1 pick money into is QB. Matt Ryan will be our first pick. Addressing the OL in the 2nd round is a given but we have to pick the best available. No more of this Vernon Carey over Wilfork business.
oh my god are you insane. You wanna bring Carr or Culpepper here? Thats takes the cake for stupid comments. Carr got demoted to 3rd string behind a rookie last year...and Culpepper was not good with us or with the raiders (except a decent game against our shitty d). Screw his knee, he makes shitty decisions.
ir a dumba$$ says we should draft Dorsey blah blah.
Trade for Vilma? Trade JT to the Jets. Taylor hates the Jets. He would never go there. ANd by the way the Jets want to get rid of VIlma because he sucks in the 3-4 and Dorsey won't be drafted by us because he is not a 3-4 tackle.
So MR GENIUS, since we are OBVIOUSLY moving to the 3-4, tell me why your comment makes any damn sense? And why would RB be a factoir in your comment, since we are clearly not looking for a RB on the first day for sure.
Carr, Culpepper? Are you serious?
Ignorance is bliss...
and Matt Ryan will not be our first pick. Do you guys even pay attention to whats going on. You better pray we don't draft Matt I-threw-19-interceptions-against-college-db's-in-my-senior-year Ryan. He sucks and won't amount to crap in the NFL. He's even afraid to throw at the combine because he wants to throw for scouts at his pro-day because, as he says, he wants to throw to guys he's comfortable with. LAME!
Well Flozell is not coming here, so it looks like we prob go after Faneca and Rogers. I would like to see Moss here though.
You are on of the worst writers ever.
Go write for the Sun-Sentinel where they embrace your kind
hey Ron,
you obviously know your Dolphins and I really do like reading your posts. However, when you start sinking to the lows of the other posters it becomes distracting. I think you'd do much better taking the high road and leaving the "idiot" comments to the idiots.
James
James, good point. I just have such little tolerance for people like that. I will take my medicine and go to bed;)
I am gonna wind up like Waldorf from the balcony on The Muppet Show one day.
And the Vike offered a third rounder for Sage and the Texans want a second. And we gave him away for free...:(
1.FIRST OFF IT LOOKS LIKE THE LIONS ARE GOING TO DO A SWAP WITH THE JETS: SHAUN ROGERS FOR J. VILMA, WHO FILLS THE VOID LEFT BY BOSS BAILEY.
2. KELLY GOT 50 MILLION FROM RAIDERS BECAUSE WARREN SAPP RETIRED AND KELLY IS ALL THEY HAVE
3. STOP JUST PAYING ATTENTION TO THE "SUPERSTARS", THERE ARE SOME REALLY GOOD B-LEVEL PLAYERS OUT THERE WHO WILL HAVE AN INSTANT IMPACT LIKE: CALVIN PACE (LB, CARDINALS) PAUL SPICER (DE, JAX) KAWIKA MITCHELL (LB, GIANTS) GIBRIL WILSON (S, GIANTS) DRAYTON FLORENCE (DB, CHARGERS) ETC.
4. I JUST DON'T SEE PARCELLS GIVING THE OK TO TRADE PICKS OR BACK UP THE BRINKS TRUCK ON A SPURSTAR AT THE "DIVA" POSITIONS- DB,WR,QB ETC. THE DEFENSIVE LINE YES, DEFINATELY BECAUSE HE KNOWS GETTING PRESSURE ON QB IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
5. I HOPE THEY DON'T MESS WITH RONNIE BROWN, I LOVE WATCHING HIM PLAY, HE WAS LEADING THE LEAGUE IN TOTALS YARDS B4 HE WENT DOWN.
6. CANT WAIT TO SEE GINN MAKE THE JUMP THIS YEAR!
Guys the name calling has to stop. People are always going to have different opinions and calling them names because they disagree with you is incredibly childish. Leave the childish antics and name calling to the Jets fans. And I am still not convinced that we should be signing a guy that has a history of being lazy and overweight. As has been said, he CAN be one of the most dominant dt's in the game,,,,when he feels like showing up. Sounds like he has no heart to me. Maybe he just needs a change of scenery but only time will tell. NYScott
NYScott your an idiot ;)
Why isnt flozell coming to miami? Where did you hear that from
Flozell resigned with dallas... http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=626EF324-D473-A8AD-C9AE73E606072458
PULL THE F-ING TRIGGER TUNA!!!! GET THIS FAT BOY TO PLUG THE MIDDLE. IF YOU DON'T YOU WILL HAVE TO RUN THE 4-3. BY THE TIME YOU WILL BE ABLE TO INSTALL YOUR 3-4, YOUR 4 YEARS ARE UP AND THE PHINS WILL STILL SUCK!!!! PULL THE DAM TRIGGER!!!!
The Fin's are just plain awefull and depleted.
We have to start building thru the draft, period! We need picks and more picks. It's going to take at least two years to start winning. We were 1-15 and lucky to win one game. All of the idiot GM's plus Huzinga having no clue about football has destroyed the team. Maybe we have a few good players from last year's draft but that's TBD. We need to crawl before we walk before we spend any free agent big bucks. Fin's fans need to be patient and don't think we can go 8-8 and then to the super Bowl after that. We need to find ways to get draft picks and keep the faith that parcells and the rest of his crew is not like the rest of the GM's and idiots before him.
Anyone think we could use some offensive lineman? When was the last time we really drafted some quality offensive lineman? So let's go with one of the Long guys. That both seem incredible and we can build around them.
Nothing fantastic will happen next year if we don't get some O-lineman.
Fin's fan from the Yucatan!
Adam
It appears many posters have talked yourselves into believing Rogers is our answer at NT. I could not disagree more. No matter how badly some want him to be our answer, he is not. IMO, it's naive to think that Sporano can motivate the guy long term. We MUST build through the draft.
Guys, even if he does improve the Dolphins for a couple years, who cares. Does it matter if we are 6-10 for the next couple seasons as opposed to 3-13. Wait a couple years to bring in the free agents and use them to get us "over the hump". Right now we can't even see the hump!
Hey AAD and NYScot...you're forgetting one thing in your questioning of Rogers. The Lions organization is notorious for burning guys out with all the losing. Remember Barry Sanders just hanging it up because of that? He wanted to be traded...but the Lions locked him up, and even after retirement blocked his chance to return with rediculous demands for his rights. They are a waste land. Another example...Moss on the Raiders, and Moss with the Pats. Now...I'm not saying we are going to be great, but a fresh system, new guys, new coaches, and some sunny weather can do wonders for guys trapped on teams like the Lions.
Hey Ron...I was right with you on your tirade brother. That guy was gettin' under my skin reading his Ronnie and Beck for McFadden and Quinn BS! And his comment about Ronnie never running a 4.35...if I remember correct he ran a blistering 40 as well...even faster than the Caddy. You can tell he's a fair weather fan. Same for the guy wanting to trade JT to the Jets for Vilma. He must be a Canes fan who love them more than the Phins. Anyone wanting to send JT to ANY of the division rivals is foolish...not to mention JT has earned more than that.
I have grown SOOOO tired of these guys (and I'm being nice here with my words) who have this man love crush on Brady Quinn. They must be seeing his commercials and getting all hot and bothered! The guy has proven NOTHING. Beck had better stats in college, and had Quinn not gone to ND he wouldn't have even been a first round pick. The same Quinn crush guys are the ones who bash Ginn. Ginn had a pretty darn solid rookie year considering the rest of our team played so poor. I watched him closely and only saw him drop one pass that I thought was an easy catch, and I saw him open deep A LOT, but Cleo didn't have enough time to set up and heave.
Face it all of you...you're pretty boy will NEVER wear a Phins uni. He's a native of Ohio and grew up a Browns fan. Do you really think he's leavin' there?
I am HAPPY to have Ronnie, Ted, and John. Let them have a full year together with some help around them, and then judge them.
Well...actually...Ronnie has already proven himself to ME. Unlike some of you.
Doesn't anyone remember him running over guys? He's the one guy last year who made me jump up and yell..."Take that _____ers!"
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Dolphanmike...Why in the world would you want Miami to pick up a player who has a reputation for being lazy...So what if he is good when he is "into it". Rogers is a primadonna...That is the last thing the Dolphins need!!
Why trade our second round pick when you yourself mentioned that nobody would be willing to give up more than a third. This just in... we have the highest 3rd round selection. For that I am in, but they better put some physical conditions in his contract requiring him to stay in shape.
Why trade our second round pick when you yourself mentioned that nobody would be willing to give up more than a third. This just in... we have the highest 3rd round selection. For that I am in, but they better put some physical conditions in his contract requiring him to stay in shape.
The trade sounds logical...just hope Parcells and Sparano can keep him motivated....nothing worse than a lazy nosetackle.
With Flozell Adams staying in Dallas, this means the Fins can take Jake Long with their #1 pick.
This is the best long-term investment the team can make...huge, fast, tall and nasty.
I'd want him covering by backside as QB for 10+ years.....Pick Jake #1 !!!!!
DOLPHINS PLEASE DRAFT JAKE LONG, and then draft JAMES HARDY at #32.
IF TED GINN HAD A PRO QB LAST YEAR AND NO TICKY-TACK HOLDING CALLS ON THOSE COUPLE OF RETURNS, HE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN NATL. MEDIA ATTENTION LAST YEAR. I WAS IMPRESSED BY HIS HANDS, IM SOO GLAD WE DRAFTED HIM. IM SOO GLAD WE DRAFTED RONNIE BOTH ARE GOING TO BE STARS ONCE WE GET A FRANCHISE QB. PARCELLS IS NOT GOING TO TAKE JAKE LONG, LOOK, WE ARE ALREADY SIGNING THE VETERAN O-LINE HELP THAT WE NEED, HE WILL USE THE DRAFT PICKS TO GET AS MANY "DEMARCUS WARE"'S THAT HE CAN: IE; VERNON GHOLSTON, CHRIS LONG, QUENTIN GROVES ETC. WE NEED TO STOP THE RUN FIRST AND FOREMOST, BE ABLE TO GET OFF THE FIELD ON 3RD DOWN, STOP THE CHAINS FROM MOVING, GET PRESSURE FROM UP THE MIDDLE, WHAT GOOD IS JAKE LONG IF EVERY WEEK IS LIKE THE RAIDERS GAME LAST YEAR? I WOULD TAKE A SHOT WITH TY LAW, I KNOW THAT SOUNDS CRAZY BUT HE KNOWS PARCELLS VERY WELL, AND WOULD BRING VETERAN SAAVY TO OUR DB'S. LITO SHEPPARD ANYONE? I DONT MIND FERGUSON AT NT AT ALL, THE MORE BODIES THE BETTER AT DT, WE HAD A 57 YR OLD MAN LAST YEAR IN KEITH TRAYLOR (KIDDING OF COURSE),U GUYS TRASH THE PICK UP OF FERGUSON, BUT PARCELLS KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING-STOCKPILING DEPTH SO WE AREN'T RUN DOWN AND GASSED AT THE END OF GAMES GETTING THE BALL RAN DOWN OUR THROATS.
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