Jason Taylor trade should be next
Now that the Dolphins have cut ties with Zach Thomas, it is time for the other shoe to drop.
It is time to trade Jason Taylor.
If the Dolphins can justify getting rid of Thoma because he will be 35 in September and his physical status is too uncertain and his trade value is practically non-existent, then they have to trade Taylor.
Why?
Because one move flows with the other. If you're cutting your losses of aging vets and building a younger team, you don't keep another aging vet especially if the possibility exists you can get something in return for him. That simply does not make sense.
That doesn't mean Taylor is in the same situation as Thomas. He has value where Thomas apparently had very little. But the Dolphins can't wait too long on this matter.
At 34 years old in September Taylor still has trade value now but may not next year. And Taylor's physical status is not in question now but may be a year from now.
Let's face it, even if all of Miami's offseason moves work as planned, the Dolphins will not be a Super Bowl or even playoff-caliber team in 2008. As one Dolphins official told me today, 10 years of ineptitude cannot be erased by one offseason of aptitude.
So even if everything goes well for the Dolphins in the next 12 months, Jason Taylor is still not going to help the team win a championship in 2008. So Miami has to take a wider view of this situation. The view has to include a year from now when Taylor is readying for his final contract season.
The market for a soon-to-be 35-year-old defensive end might not be very good -- certainly not as good as it might be this year for a soon-to-be-34-year-old. So why hold on to Taylor?
Please, somebody give a compelling reason to keep him.
Taylor would be happier elsewhere away from yet another Miami rebuilding project. The Dolphins will likely be better off without him dying a little bit every Sunday as the team continues to lose. And, again, getting something for a player is always better than getting NOTHING. And the Dolphins got NOTHING for Thomas and will get NOTHING for Taylor if they hold on to him too long.
Now, you might ask, what is the market for Jason Taylor? I have no idea. Last year an NFC North personnel man told me he could see some team giving up a third-round pick for Taylor. Some team might even give up a second-round pick. After all, the Chargers gave up a second for Chris Chambers.
If the Dolphins can pick up a second- or third-round pick for Taylor, that would give them five picks in the first three rounds of the coming draft. And that's one more player that should become a starter within two or three years in exchange for one player who will likely be out of the league in two or three years.
Do it!!!!
What's the other side of that coin? Well, maybe the Dolphins want to keep their best player so they can put a better product on the field. Sorry, that argument no longer has merit based on the fact they just cast out another one of their better players for NOTHING. [By the way, even the Chiefs got a fifth-round pick from Miami for Trent Green, who was 37 and coming off a concussion-shortened 2006.]
The point is it makes no sense for the Dolphins to simply cut Zach Thomas but keep Jason Taylor. Not when everyone knows the Dolphins aren't playoff-ready for 2008. Not when they can still get something for Taylor this year, but might not get anything in return for him next year.
Not when the first shoe dropped already.
It is time to trade Jason Taylor.
If the Dolphins can justify getting rid of Thoma because he will be 35 in September and his physical status is too uncertain and his trade value is practically non-existent, then they have to trade Taylor.
Why?
Because one move flows with the other. If you're cutting your losses of aging vets and building a younger team, you don't keep another aging vet especially if the possibility exists you can get something in return for him. That simply does not make sense.
That doesn't mean Taylor is in the same situation as Thomas. He has value where Thomas apparently had very little. But the Dolphins can't wait too long on this matter.
At 34 years old in September Taylor still has trade value now but may not next year. And Taylor's physical status is not in question now but may be a year from now.
Let's face it, even if all of Miami's offseason moves work as planned, the Dolphins will not be a Super Bowl or even playoff-caliber team in 2008. As one Dolphins official told me today, 10 years of ineptitude cannot be erased by one offseason of aptitude.
So even if everything goes well for the Dolphins in the next 12 months, Jason Taylor is still not going to help the team win a championship in 2008. So Miami has to take a wider view of this situation. The view has to include a year from now when Taylor is readying for his final contract season.
The market for a soon-to-be 35-year-old defensive end might not be very good -- certainly not as good as it might be this year for a soon-to-be-34-year-old. So why hold on to Taylor?
Please, somebody give a compelling reason to keep him.
Taylor would be happier elsewhere away from yet another Miami rebuilding project. The Dolphins will likely be better off without him dying a little bit every Sunday as the team continues to lose. And, again, getting something for a player is always better than getting NOTHING. And the Dolphins got NOTHING for Thomas and will get NOTHING for Taylor if they hold on to him too long.
Now, you might ask, what is the market for Jason Taylor? I have no idea. Last year an NFC North personnel man told me he could see some team giving up a third-round pick for Taylor. Some team might even give up a second-round pick. After all, the Chargers gave up a second for Chris Chambers.
If the Dolphins can pick up a second- or third-round pick for Taylor, that would give them five picks in the first three rounds of the coming draft. And that's one more player that should become a starter within two or three years in exchange for one player who will likely be out of the league in two or three years.
Do it!!!!
What's the other side of that coin? Well, maybe the Dolphins want to keep their best player so they can put a better product on the field. Sorry, that argument no longer has merit based on the fact they just cast out another one of their better players for NOTHING. [By the way, even the Chiefs got a fifth-round pick from Miami for Trent Green, who was 37 and coming off a concussion-shortened 2006.]
The point is it makes no sense for the Dolphins to simply cut Zach Thomas but keep Jason Taylor. Not when everyone knows the Dolphins aren't playoff-ready for 2008. Not when they can still get something for Taylor this year, but might not get anything in return for him next year.
Not when the first shoe dropped already.
posted by Armando Salguero at 11:01 PM
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I think Jason Taylor's exodus is not far away. I understand the reasoning behind cutting ties with Zach Thomas, and eventually Jason Taylor. However, it still bothers me that this franchise released Zach Thomas, but Joey Porter still has a job?
CUT JOEY PORTER!!!! Or at least try and get some value for him. JUST GET RID OF HIM!!!!
I agree. But let Jason go to his choice of teams. He has put in his time and deserves to be treated with the utmost of respect and dignity.
Today is a sad day in football.
I consider this the new “St. Valentine’s Day Massacre”
Today, the Dolphins released MLB Zach Thomas, 54.
Truly a day of mourning.
Just hope to God he doesn’t go to the Pats, Bills
Or the Stinking JETS.
Mike
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Armando, I disagree with you.
If Michael Strahan can win a Super Bowl in his 15th season, so can Jason Taylor (will be entering his 12th season in 2008). The window on him is not yet closed in Miami.
How does trading JT make the Miami Dolphins better? A third round pick? Puh-leeese.
Look, there has to be a veteran leader on this team, someone whose credibility is unquestioned, and there's NO ONE ELSE who fits that role better than JT.
So for the opportunity cost of a 3rd round pick, the Dolphins gain JT's talents for another 2-3 seasons. Sounds like a good deal to me.
Mando, you are out of control again. Pass rushing ends have value in this league. Getting rid of Jason for a 2nd rd pick because we got rid of Zach for NOTHING is laughable. Are they attached at the hip? Can one not function without the other? I love Zach as much as the next guy, but at his salary level and with the recent concussions, it was time to move on.
I loved Zach, but his time had come. We saw the effects of a concussion on Trent Green. Zach puts his head down and makes contact on every play. He's heathy today. We'll see about that come October. JT has trade value. He's getting older and his value will plummet following this season. He played his brains out last year amid trade rumors. He was auditioning for some other team to take him in. And Joey Porter sucks, but his contract is not friendly. It is cheaper to keep him on IR than to release him. At least for another season.
The youth movement will begin soon. We will be a major player in Free Agency. But no more over-rated Vets. Only younger and established players. How about Asante Samuel? Or a younger, faster LB? A WR that can take a double team? A lineman that will protect his QB? These will all be answered soon. It's the Parcells way. He's been worth every penny so far. I can't wait to see what he does with the draft!
Go Dolphins!
Problem is, you get a draft pick for Taylor but who's to say the Fins won't pick a chump as they've done so often in the recent past with it?!
Comparing Zach's situation to Jason's is like comparing apples to pineapples.
Releasing Zach Thomas was an act of unselfishness: the Dolphins gave Zach the opportunity to end his career on his terms rather than shackle him to any team willing to give up any otherwise useless 7th round draft pick (would he have even fetched such a ludicrous offer?) Would you rather have Zach around than not? Of course you would, but after 12 years of phenomenal service, Zach deserves a chance to follow HIS dream. That, more than anything else, is why the Dolphins released him rather than trade him.
Jason's situation is far different: he's healthy and as fearsome as ever. Trade him for a 3rd rounder? No, his abilities are simply too useful for a team that needs leadership in all areas, but especially the area of "character" that will be very much needed to develop a new, more youthful team.
In this self-serving world of rental players and salary caps that have created teams that nobody recognizes from year to year, very few players earn the requisite status from a team and its fans to be able to decide their own fate. Jason WAS (and I think still IS) the face of the Dolphins. Jason HAS earned that opportunity from his commitment to the Dolphins and its Dolfans. If he wants to stay, he should be allowed to stay. If he wants to go, he should be allowed to go, to the team of HIS choosing.
The question is: Do we respect him enough to allow him to decide his own fate.
You want a compelling arguement to keep him? What if the Dolphins cant trade out of the #1 pick and select Chris Long? Who better to learn under then Jason Taylor, as far as Long is concerned. Taylor may be around for another year or two, just long enough to hand over the reigns to Long.
Keep him. He is the best defensive player we have. Wait until next year, let the new guys come in and have a year with a great player. Then cut him. Get another pick next year for him next year. Don't go for broke in one draft. Rebuilding is going to take at least 3-4 years.
JT is still a great player, but it makes sense to pick up a 2nd rounder for him. It can be a late 2nd, which would give JT the opportunity to play on a good team. Getting a 2nd a year too early is better than getting a late round pick a year too late. You see the Oakland A's and even the Lakers take that approach - trade a player who still has a year or two left in them, just so get something valuable in return. The only other option I'd consider would be to go the Chambers route and keep JT for 5-6 weeks into the season and trade him to a contender for an '09 pick.
We must get value for J.T. He is worth at least a high 2nd round pick. And I guess were stuck with Porter because of the cap hit.
hey, CUT JOEY PORTER DUDE...
you can't cut joey porter, unless you want to take a gigantic salary cap hit. everybody rags on porter here but, the last 8 games of the season he was killing. getting int's, sacks, and tackles for loses. a lot of you forgot he came in injured. did we pay too much? probably. but he will still be a good player, and one we have no choice but to keep.
some people on here throw out trade ideas like all the fins have to do is offer and someone will take it. i've seen;
lets trade beck for derrick anderson.
trade taylor for a number 1 pick.
trade our 1st for dallas' 2 firsts and 2nd and their 1st next year.
none of these have a chance in the realm of reality.
jaison
yeah, right. Let's get rid of Taylor like we did with Wes Welker, Junior Seau, Heath Evans, Larry Izzo, etc. GET THE POINT! Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Everone knows that Dallas is going to make a run at trading up for the first pick in the draft. Jerry Jones has a mancrush on McFadden, and they both went to Arkansas. The Fins should trade the first pick and Jason Taylor to Dallas for Marion Barber, Demarcus Ware, and both of Dallas's two first round picks. If you can get something like that, you take it.
Otherwise unload Taylor for Brady Quinn or a starting wide receiver Chad Johnson).
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Why is David Martin still on this team?
If Michael Strahan was as valuable to the Giants as we all know he was; and we all know that Taylor is/was BETTER than Michael Strahan, then why would we trade him if he doesn't want to be traded?
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I agree with you Armando.We won a total of 1 game with the guy last year and he still has some trade value.The guy is a locker room lawyer and it's time to start cleaning out the old and bringing in the new.These are the things the previous regimes refused to do.
Dude, do you watch football now or are you watching tapes from 7 or 8 years ago? The truth is that Zach Thomas is no longer a great player. He has always been manhandled at the point of attack and now more than ever. He relies on speed, quickness, anticipation and film study to make plays. As he's gotten older he's lost some of the speed and quickness. Yes, he's been a great Dolphin but as hard as it is for many Dolphins fans to accept he no longer is one of the better linebackers in his own division let alone the NFL. He was released at least 2 years too late at worst and 1 year too late at best.
I don't think Jason Taylor is going anywhere. The franchise needs a face and right Taylor is it. Who's face would replace his? Taylor is still very much a force at his position and can still make game changing plays. I see it as an absolute waste to get a third round pick for him that will be used on a guy that isn't guaranteed to make the team.
Also, what's this B.S. about "going to another team to get a ring?" If I played somewhere for 12 years, then went somewhere else for a year and won a Superbowl, sure, it'd be great, but it would be totally bittersweet, as I would wish to I won with the team that I gave 12 years of my blood, sweat, and tears to.
I do wish Zach the best, but truth be told, our defense was too reliant on him and it suffered when he was out due to his many injuries. We need to get younger, healthier guys at that position and not rely on one or two guys on our defense to make a difference from week to week.
If Jason does get traded, I'll support the move, but I just don't see it being beneficial to the Dolphins at this juncture or at any juncture. Strahan stuck in out with the Giants and it paid off for him, I think Jason will gamble with the Fins before he decides to start his professional acting or broadcasting career.
Cutting Zach was inevitable. No one will take on a 5-6 million dollar salary for someone with his injury backround. If they did the only answer would be to extend his contract to even it out and he is too old for that. Your also taking away his ability to determine what is best for him and his family by trading him fast track style. Its a morale move as well showing guys that if you put your time in on this team they won't purposely hurt you.
There is only one person left on this team that they would worry about insulting by trading ZT and that obviously is JT. If they were trading JT they would have made some effort to trade ZT. They would have at least waited a little longer. If they were unable to do so it would have gotten to a point that you would be taking away options for ZT as in good teams with cap room to sign him.
This was a morale move and the only person's morale they would care about and who is in a stage of their career that would care themself is JT. Would they treat me the same way? Which I believe leads us to JT staying. I think for at least one more season. He is also the only player that they would consider using the franchise tag on next year if he didn't work with them on a contract extension over the next 12 months. Strahan and the situation that the Giants have been in over the past few years IS a great example. The Giants have had leverage over Strahan and he knew it.
The 5th or 6th round pick they would get for Thomas isn't worth the inevitable negative attention. Nor is a late second rounder for JT. Especially if this team plans on going after Chris Long. A team can be built around pass rushing (Giants) and that happens to be the Tuna's choice as well. Anyone who doesn't believe the Dolphins can be a borerline playoff team next year is crazy. Anyone can with the right moves. Couple that with a fews bad breaks in your favor and you could be looking at a Super Bowl run. Lots of things would have to go in our favor but if you can honestly tell me that you thought the Giants would win the Super Bowl let alone definitely make the playoffs after the Tiki Torch went out your crazy. There are too many outside circumstances that played into what they accomplished.
I will say this much that I think the veteran leadership or Strahan along with his current abilites contributed greatly to the Giants winning. Anyone who assumes 0-16 is asking for problems. Trading JT is assuming 0-16 unless Parcells thinks he is hurting this team. If thats what he thought ZT would be on the block for whatever right now. Parcells is the kind of guy that plans on winning and at his age I can't imagine he is working under anything less that a two year plan. I see JT fitting in a two year plan. I think Porter would become a huge problem if JT is shown the exit as well.
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CAn we get rid of Armando?
Trade JT...how will that affect the salary cap? Wouldn't it be cheaper to keep him another year?
Armando, a lot of people who see the long term of the team agree with this idea. Is it fair to JT to have him waste away his last 2 years in the NFL rebuilding, AGAIN! By trading him now, we get value for him, there will be NO value for him whatsoever next year, when he is in the final year of his contract. Miami will lose ALL leverage in trying to trade him because teams know that he is in the final year of his contract and if Miami doesnt want him, they eventually will release him.
I skip over the posts of the people who want to trade Joey Porter because they obviously have no understanding whatsoever of the salary cap. I dont even bother wasting my time reading the opinion of someone who doesnt know the basics behind the business of the NFL.
Even if we strike out with the 2nd or 3rd pick we get from JT, taking a chance on getting a player in the draft is better than having no chance whatsoever at all by keeping JT. What happens next year when JT is released and free to sign with any team he wants for 1 final season? We get absolutely nothing for him whereas we can get a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him this year.
Keeping JT, who is NOT in the long term plans of this team, makes no sense whatsoever.
Salarycap wise, JT's prorated bonus is 2 million a year. If JT is traded, then we save his base salary, which for 2008 is 7.5 million and 8 million for 2009, but we would take the remaining proration of his signing bonus (which is 4 million) as dead cap. HOWEVER, considering we are 40 million UNDER the cap, theres no HUGE salary cap benefit from trading him as we already have all the room in the world. The main benefit is you can get a pick for him and you take his 4 million dead cap hit this year, when we are rebuilding and have a TON of free cap space.
How are you supposed to replace JT with a 3rd round pick or even a 1st. Go get a couple of huge DT's and a G_DD_MNED QUARTERBACK AND WIN SOME GAMES.
My money is on JT retiring a Fin or at least spending another year. If your going to get a 2nd/3rd round pick for him at 34 with 2 years left on his contract then you should be able to get the same at 35 and 1 year left. Don't campare it to Zach unless JT has some drastic injury. So the only reason you would move him now is if your afraid of one of the most durable players in the league getting hurt. Then what happens when Porter demands a release or trade. Any way that you look at it Porter is the key here. You can't upset him because there is no short term fixing in regards to his contract. Nor would you get value in return. You can reach me at ryansproviero@yahoo.com if anyone wants to put a wager on JT being on the roster until at least week 6. That would also be when his value would be at its highest. Not immediately after a 1-15 season. WE DO NOT NEED THE CAP ROOM AND THE RISK VS. REWARD DO NOT ADD UP.
Plan to be in the playoffs and make moves that benefit the morale and quality of this team. Getting rid of everyone 32 and above for whatever anyone will give you is a life sentence and the eqivalent of making a huge bet on a very long shot. JT is a playmaker and has proven that his amazing physical ability is durable and SLOWLY deteriorating. We have time here. Go ask Randy Moss if 18-1 felt any different than 3-13. I think it would be even worse. JT likes it here and has never even hinted at leaving. Name some teams that are in that much better shape than we are that can afford him. I'll shoot every single one of them down with a very valid explanation.
Ryan Sproviero
24 years stuck in Jersey, I finally get down here, we go 1-15 everyone wants to give away your best player. We have drafted 3-4 style defenders for 3 years now, we have a young QB, a developing OLine, a strong RB, a group of young defenders and 2 dominant pass rushers who happen to be leaders. WR is the weakest position on the field which could change with a little work with Ginn and Hagan.
I will say this much in regards to the Thomas release...at least they knew to release him by himself and not the other day with the 9 others. I view this as being classy and going into free agency its good to be viewed as a classy organization. It attracts the right kind of players.
Anyone interested in talking can reach me at ryansproviero@yahoo.com
"Please, somebody give a compelling reason to keep him."
Parcells has a history of building good teams with veterans as a foundation.
You've got a premier veteran in JT who, with a little help inside from younger and/or bigger DTs (Haynesworth and Long come to mind), will perform at a ferociously high level while minimizing the chance of injury to himself.
Let's get young but not all at once. Any successful business needs the seasoned profs' to train the young up-and-comers.
Joe- Margate, FL.
Right after Parcells took the job he sat down with Mort on Espn and was asked about Taylor and Parcells said and I kinda quote, Taylor is a good player I think we should keep good players and try to get more of them. It was something very close to that.
We still have to field a team next year and be somewhat competitive so we can't just "get rid of" everyone. Taylor will be here.
Unless someone comes up with multiple top 4 picks including a number 1 I wouldn't bother. Wait until someone is desperate or we are desperate. With 40 million in cap space and the #1 pick we aren't desperate. Its not like there isn't light at the end of the tunnel. I can see. There is a short term advantage to holding on to him. You move JT and you better have a great free agency, an amazing draft and hope that guys like Porter, Holliday and Will Allen don't cause a problem in the mean time. You would be sending a message across the team that we don't think we can win in the next 24 months. Try telling that to guys like Ronnie Brown, Ted Ginn, John Beck, Channing Crowder, Vernon Carey, Matt Roth and Sampson Satele. Your gambling with their mindset which is not something to gamble with. Just having a guy like JT around boosts all of their productivity as well as their knowledge. Same with Zach but unfortunely he is worn down and doesn't fit. You think things are bad now, trade JT and watch as the dominoes fall. I really hope Channing Crowder wasn't really depending on Zach for all of his gameplan. If he is moved to MLB I'm not sure he is ready for the role. At least not mentally. Good point on the Mort/Parcells convo Dave. I was thinking of that as well. Its not like Parcells to say something like that and not follow through.
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It's pretty sad that the 'phins cut Zach Thomas, yet Cameron Worrell, John Beck and Cleo Lemon are still on the roster.
We need a veteran leader on this team, and that is Jason Taylor. He has quite a few good years ahead of him.
If he's going to be traded it would be nice to see both him and Zach end up in Indianapolis. They deserve to win and Indy is a respectable organization, unlike that other team that hardly ever loses.
Why oh why can't we have a fricking Dolphins fan writing these daily blogs? Why, Armando, why? First of all, this would be like trading Marino in his waning years, you tard. (That's a solid arguement.) Secondly, why can't we make the playoffs next year? Because some "pros" said we can't? Give me a break. The Saints turned around and got to the fricking championship game 2 seasons ago... we shut-out the Patriots 2 seasons ago... we beat them on Monday night during our 4-12 season... My point is, dumbass, Thomas was not as much of a "public relations" issue as Taylor would be. He is our flagship player, who is adored by Dolphins fans. We all loved Zach too, but not in the same way... Mando, you're an idiot, and spreading this thought is just plain wrong in my opinion. You keep a guy like Jason Taylor for the team, for the city, for the franchise... Now if HE wants to leave, then I say ok. But otherwise, if he loves Miami, then keep the guy. You are an embarrassment to sports journalism.
Guys, we dont need to trade to get an experienced QB. Byron Leftwich is there. He can do the job for us.Also lets keep Taylor and trade our first round pick. Lets go Parcelss, sign leftwich
Anonymous @ 7:16 chill out..... you sound like the ultimate fan boy. Mando makes perfect sense with his presentation. The big difference between Nawlins and Miami is the Saints had/have talent and the Dolphins are fairly devoid of it.
To the anonymous nincompoop that has in it for Joey. You sir are an idiot Joey is not to be blamed for some one offering him 20 mill guaranteed, nor for the injury that sidelined him in the pre-season, not for being used to cover tight ends instead of doing what he excells at rushing the passer. He played good once he got back into shape from his injury. He IS a loud mouth and according to Cammoron that is what we wanted and NO we are not going to cut him just because some ahole is envious of the $ he is making now go get a clue
SALGUERO DOESN'T KNOW. STRAHAN IS STILL PLAYING AT A HIGH LEVEL INTO HIS 15TH AND MAYBE HIS 16TH SEASON NEXT YEAR, JASON TAYLOR IS IN HIS 12TH AND IN ALOT BETTER SHAPE. IT'S ALSO ABOUT THE FANS NOT JUST SUPER BOWLS, THE BALTIMORE RAVENS ARE REBUILDING, SHOULD THEY TRADE OR RELEASE RAY LEWIS? DO YOU KNOW THE BACKLASH THAT TEAM WOULD FACE, RAY LEWIS OWNS THAT CITY! SAME WITH JASON TAYLOR. ZACH THOMAS HURT AND STILL STINGS, BUT JASON TAYLOR IS OUR RAY LEWIS. HE STILL HAS 4 GOOD YEARS. JASON HAS ALSO STATED IN INTERVIEWS THAT HE WANTS TO BE AN ICON IN MIAMI LIKE DAN MARINO AND WOULD RATHER PLAY JUST FOR THE DOLPHINS AND RETIRE A DOLPHIN WITH A STATUE OF HIM AT DOLPHIN STADIUM WITH NO RING THAN JUST BE AN "ADD-ON" LIKE JUNIOR SEAU AND GO TO THE PATRIOTS AND "BUY" A RING. KEEP "99" !!!!
Hey all you yahoos!! You included Moonpie..The writing is on the wall..If we have to make the 1st pick, the guys last name will be Long..If it's Jake, they sure did'nt want L J, and all the other heavy baggage, overpaid 2nd teamers on our squad to influence his learning curve....If his name is Chris, which I think they will choose if they cannot find a trade partner, then that's why you keep Jason arond...both are cut from the same mold, so to speak..It will make up for the last 4 years, when instead of Marty Booker, and his overpriced, none factor self, we should have paid Wally his money and kept our bookends!!! Two outside pass rushers can make so-so LB/CB look great...And will all you crazy posters quit with the Marion Barber-DeMarcus Ware and "Two" first round draft pick statements to yourself!! That will never happen, 2 pro bowlers and 2 1st rounders...Let's see how this free agent year, next years, and the next couple of drafts pan out...See, Mueller and Co. shaved all the fat last year so they'd have these millions to play with this year, and Ireland and Co. get to reep their good fortune, plus this years moves...just because we have $30 plus million to spend does'nt mean you blow it all this year..Sit back and enjoy, finally, a front office that truely knows how to build a winner
Two things, Armando, first, Miami gave up a fifth rounder for Green because Mueller and Cam were inept at selecting talent (to keep, draft or drop). Second, the last five years were NOT rebuilding years. They were further dismantling years. It was a continued dismantling of the quality that Miami knew from the Shula years. Johnson, Wanstadt, Bates, Saban added nothing, subtracted much. 2008 will be (hopefully) the only qualified rebuilding effort. Parcells is the closest we've had to a Shula type GM since Mr Don himself. The dark clouds will be parting over Miami beginning in 2008.
Hopefully the next cut in Miami is Armando being cut from the Herald.
Mando....Pleeaase shut it about how bad the Dolphins suck. You are supposed to be a Dolfan. Jason Taylor has been the only bright spot for the Dolphins in the last few years. We might not win a Super Bowl before he retires but if we trade or cut him it will be a very sad day in Dolphins history... DO NOT LET TAYLOR GO!!!!!!
Armando, I just recently found this blog and I must say, I have found a home. Great information, excellent opinion, and it is kind of funny to read some of the posts. Very entertaining.
Armando, you are off this time with this idea. So you want to trade our best player for waht, a third-round pick. Cutting Z.Thomas and trading J.Taylor are two different things. By the way, we can't cut J.Porter without taking a major cap hit. Another thing, we don't owe Jason Taylor anything!!! He gets a paycheck regardlesss of whether he wins or loses !!! This idea that we should let him choose who he is traded to is rediculous. Are they going to let us choose what draft-pick we want? No. Porter was overpaid because we have had bad management for years. Cameron and company were trying to keep the veterans on board with his "fail forward fast" plan. I hate to say it, but if we let J.Taylor go, our pass rush will be minimal at best.
Since this Miami team is at a minimum four years away from competing for a Super Bowl, I think the cutting of ties should extend to anyone who will not still be in their prime around the 2012 season. Besides Taylor, also to go should be:
Ronnie Brown - his injury probably lowers his trade value from 1st to 2nd round, but by 2012 he'll be past his prime.
Channing Crowder - he too will be in his ninth season by the time the Dolphins are contenders, so let him go for a mid-round pick.
Vernon Carey - Although he'll porbably still be playable in four to five years, see if you can get a second or third rounder for him as well.
Basically, anyone the Dolphins drafted before the 2006 draft that is still with the team should be considered expendable.
alright people say that Thomas should have been dropped I dont totally agree with that but at least it makes sense. But don't give your bs excuses about his play dropping off. Look at his stats and you'll realize hes been in the 160 tackle range for the past 12 years and was averaging 10 tackles a game this year before the injury and would have kept playing if Cam had let him. So if you want to say that his concussion might affect his play thats fine but his play hasn't dropped yet thats right im talking about you sjbytes stupid f'ing traitor
On the one hand I am devastated enough by the release of Zach. He is my favorite player of all time. I half-expected him to contemplate retirement but I never dreamt he would be cut outright! That seems such an ignominious end for one of Miami's greatest. And now the Pats have offered him a contract! It would be incredibly demoralizing to the remaining players on the Fins' roster to face Zach twice a season in a Pats jersey!
On the other hand, he was slowing down with injuries, and even the hyperbaric chamber couldn't compensate for the effects of concussions. Jason, however, is still healthy, has another Pro Bowl under his belt, won the Defensive Player of the Year in '06 and the Peyton Award last season. He is the BEST player on this team right now. He is a valuable commodity to the team during this difficult rebuilding process. His leadership on and off the field, and intensity on Sundays are invaluable for the younger players Parcells and Ireland are going to draft. I say Miami keeps him, benefits from his experience one more year, at least, before cutting him loose, and allowing him to determine his own fate. He did want to do movies, a la The Rock. Maybe he can bring that dream to fruition soon.
jason taylor is worth more than 2 round pick, he s pro boel and hall of fame calibur
This posting is a reply to the posting by "Little Tuna"
Little Tuna, how about this trade with the Cowboys?
We give them:
- Jason Taylor
- our first-round pick
- Tony Sparano
They give us:
- 2 first round picks
- Marian Barber
- DeMarcus Ware
- Zach Thomas
And maybe, they'll throw in Tony Romo and Jason Witten for another two aging players on our roster (but let's try and unload salary to them. Ummm, Joey Porter perhaps). We can then trade Romo for Brady Quinn. And then, since we must sign Marian Barber because he is a free agent, maybe the Cowboys will also give us a bag of footballs. Hmmm, I wonder if the Bengals will trade us Chad Johnson for the bag of footballs?
Bottom line: if JT leaves, which he will because we are rebuilding and rest of the league is clued in about the fire sale. All I can say is that we wish JT the best because we don't have any chance to win the superbowl in the next 3 years after going 1-15. Ironically, the last team to do was the Cowboys but they had what turned about to be a running back that is the league's all-time leading rusher and hall of fame quarterback and wide reciever already on that team. And those guys Darren Woodson, Jay Novachek, Daryl Johnston, and Leon Lett weren't bad either. Let JT go try and win a superbowl with someone else. It's gonna be miserable here until with get the rest of the pieces in place. :(
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