Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor?
This is a post about Jason Taylor but, sorry dance fans, it will not delve into his mambo.
I will delve into his future. And that possibly could lead him to Jacksonville.
I have been told by one NFL scout and one NFL assistant coach that Jacksonville coach Jack Del Rio (pictured) likes the idea of trading for Taylor. I am not sure exactly how far Del Rio has gone with this -- be it considering it and discarding the idea or actually pursuing the issue.
But I do know the scenario of adding Taylor has been on the coach's mind. I will continue snooping around with some league sources and ask Del Rio about it directly at the NFL's annual meeting in Palm Beach next week. We'll soon find out if there is fire associated with this smoke.
Anyway, the whispers have not risen to the level of actually writing about it in The Herald yet. But they are credible enough to be on this blog.
Here is the scenario: The Jaguars are a pretty good team, good enough that they won 11 games last season and gave the Patriots a tough game in the playoffs. But the Jaguars realize there is a gap between good and great and they need more explosive players to be great.
They tried to address that on offense this year by acquiring deep-threat receiver Jerry Porter in free agency. They need to address that on defense by either adding a game-changing defensive end or a safety that can collect turnovers.
The bottom line is the Jacksonville defense will beat up an opponent but won't win a game. It needs a safety that can return an interception for a TD or an end that can sack the QB, cause a fumble, scoop it up, and run for the score.
Taylor is the latter.
Here's the issue: The Jaguars have the No. 26 pick in the draft and they definitely don't want to give that to Miami for Taylor. Their second rounder is No. 58 and while they might think this is still too much to give away, the Dolphins will probably think it too low a pick for Taylor.
So if this is to happen, Del Rio and the Jags would have to convince themselves No. 58 is doable and perhaps give up a second day pick as well.
This while the Dolphins would, first of all, have to decide trading Taylor is right -- remember that Bill Parcells said it wouldn't happen -- and then accept the fact a low second-rounder is the best they could do for the soon-to-be 34-year-old player.
This is not imminent. But are the Jaguars one of the teams interested in Taylor?
You bet.
I will delve into his future. And that possibly could lead him to Jacksonville.
I have been told by one NFL scout and one NFL assistant coach that Jacksonville coach Jack Del Rio (pictured) likes the idea of trading for Taylor. I am not sure exactly how far Del Rio has gone with this -- be it considering it and discarding the idea or actually pursuing the issue.
But I do know the scenario of adding Taylor has been on the coach's mind. I will continue snooping around with some league sources and ask Del Rio about it directly at the NFL's annual meeting in Palm Beach next week. We'll soon find out if there is fire associated with this smoke.
Anyway, the whispers have not risen to the level of actually writing about it in The Herald yet. But they are credible enough to be on this blog.
Here is the scenario: The Jaguars are a pretty good team, good enough that they won 11 games last season and gave the Patriots a tough game in the playoffs. But the Jaguars realize there is a gap between good and great and they need more explosive players to be great.
They tried to address that on offense this year by acquiring deep-threat receiver Jerry Porter in free agency. They need to address that on defense by either adding a game-changing defensive end or a safety that can collect turnovers.
The bottom line is the Jacksonville defense will beat up an opponent but won't win a game. It needs a safety that can return an interception for a TD or an end that can sack the QB, cause a fumble, scoop it up, and run for the score.
Taylor is the latter.
Here's the issue: The Jaguars have the No. 26 pick in the draft and they definitely don't want to give that to Miami for Taylor. Their second rounder is No. 58 and while they might think this is still too much to give away, the Dolphins will probably think it too low a pick for Taylor.
So if this is to happen, Del Rio and the Jags would have to convince themselves No. 58 is doable and perhaps give up a second day pick as well.
This while the Dolphins would, first of all, have to decide trading Taylor is right -- remember that Bill Parcells said it wouldn't happen -- and then accept the fact a low second-rounder is the best they could do for the soon-to-be 34-year-old player.
This is not imminent. But are the Jaguars one of the teams interested in Taylor?
You bet.
posted by Armando Salguero at 1:12 PM
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I have to wonder if it's worth it to us though. On the purely fan level, I would love to see JT have a chance at a super bowl ring. On the selfish side, I don't want to lose another face of the franchise. We have no idea what the Dolphins will find at the #58 pick (if they got it)and the bottom line is that there is no guarantee we'll get an even good player. If this is something JT is pushing for, then I guess I wish him luck. If he is willing to stay though, I don't think it's worth getting rid of him for a roll of the dice.
I'm all for trading JT but the price has to be right. Jacksonville seems like an ideal team in that there time is now and a guy like JT could have an immediate impact for them. I would think a second and a fourth would get it done. I think we'll hear more about this as we get closer to the season.
Trade him, Bill. The sooner, the better.
Heck, an equipment assistant telling you that the "Dolphins" were questioning Zach Thomas' heart and willingness to return last year qualified for this blog.
No way Miami trades Taylor for a mere 58th pick. Thats kinda insulting. Pick no. 26 and a 2nd day pick and now were talking...
British Blitz
Armando, this comment has nothing to do with this entry but I do have a question about a previous one.
You wrote about a week ago that Jake Long is not the pick. Yet, Mel Kiper, Todd McShay, Scott Wright, and Mike Mayock all say it is a possibility. What do you know that they don't?
I personally think the Dolphins are going to draft Chris Long or trade with Atlanta and take Gholston, so I agree that Jake Long isn't the choice, but why are you so certain? We had same number of the staff at Ryan's, the Long's, and Henne's, workouts, so how does the number of staff rule out Jake Long, or crown Matt Ryan over Henne?
If you can, enlighten us, and if you do have inside info., how about a hint on the pick...?
Jacksonville is the destination that makes the most sense: they have a big need at DE, they play the same 4-3 that Jimmy Johnson used to favor, they are close to championship caliber and they just obtained an extra pick from Buffalo (3rd round)correct?
I say if we get a 2nd in 2008 and a 2nd next year it's a done deal. And a fair one. Taylor even at 34 should be worth a little more than a D'Angelo Hall who cost a 2nd and a 5th and, while talented, isn't just a year removed from being Defensive Player of the Year (and isn't a premium pass rusher).
Or a 2nd and a 3rd this year. But if the Jags want to win now, and they should (Fred Taylor isn't getting any younger and Garrard is 29 already), this makes sense for both sides.
Jason Taylor is and has been the keystone for this franchise for the past ten plus years. No one since Dan Marino has been more important and played at a level that Jason has played at. I never want to see Jason in another uniform. And I hope that he doesn't want to see that either. Loyalty goes along way, even in business.
Some of the people on this board are downright loony. Anyone remember what the dolphins got for Patrick "still in his prime" Surtain? A second round pick. They wont do any better than that for JT at age 34. Parcells is holding onto to JT to drive up the price, there are probably a bunch of teams willing to part with a 3rd rounder, perhaps a 3rd and 5th. I suspect the dolphins, barring some wild, to good to pass up offer, will just wait until the week before the draft, and ship JT to the highest bidder. JT is in good shape, as only a good team would want to trade for a 34 yr old player, so to the highest bidder he goes. Personally, I would jump at the 58th pick in a hearbeat. That would give the dolphins five picks in the top 64, and would make the possibilties endless.
JT is a better player than the 26th pick in this years draft,to settle for a low 2nd rd.pick would be an insult to Jason,the Team,and The FANs.Fish might be rebuilding,but we're not that desperate.The picks you're talking about aren't guaranteed to even make the team,so that could lead to a waste of our best asset.I don't think BP would fall for that,although Cam might have.
British Blitz...there is no way we get a first and second round pick for Taylor...the guy has about two, maybe three good years left in him...the only guy dumb enough to pull that trade is Spielman in Minnesota. We are all going to have to accept a couple of things: if Taylor is traded, the team that pulls the trigger is one to two pieces away from the Super Bowl...seriously, what team three to four years away from a realistic shot at the Super Bowl trades for a player two years away from possible retirement? With that in mind, this means the team that does pull the trigger will more than likely have a pick in the latter half of each round, barring any trades or compensation picks they acquired. A late second and if we're lucky, an additional third (most likely a fourth or fifth) is what we get for our star.
Mike in Houston
How about exchanging draft picks in the first round and taking Jacksonville's second round pick...and possibly a late rounder assuming you can argue having the first pick isn't a hardship?
If Jacksonville gives up a 2nd & 4th round pick, do the trade.
JT is a great player but has little time left, he's probably worth a late 2nd and a late 4rd
We should get at least A Rue Paul for him, but I hear he is going to be the new Mrs Butterworth.
Ramsterone
With 5 picks in the top 64, you can affors to take a risk. #1 V Gholston. If there is another player in the mid-late first round (D. Cromartie, Q Groves, A Talib, C Williams) that you want, you can now trade a 2nd rounder to move up and nab him, and still have two second round choices remaining. I can see:
R1-1 Vernon Gholston OLB OSU
R-2-33 Carl Nicks OT Nebraska
R-2-56 Brandon Flowers CB V Tech
R2-58 Dajuan Morgan S NCSU
R3-64 Chilo Rachal G USC
R4-96 Phillip Wheeler ILB Ga Tech
R6-158 Kellen Davis TE Michigan St
I take Gholston over Long only because weve got 2-3 OLB as good as Long on the team already. Gholston could be a perennial pro bowler a la Demarcus Ware-Shawn Merriman so its worth the risk.
Some will want to see us draft NT like Rubin or Bryant in the 2-3 rds, but I think were set with Starks and Ferguson. Wright, Holliday, and Roth can play inside well. Morgan and Flowers are playmakers at positions where we have no impact players, so I went with guys in the secondary.
If the Jags are willing to give up a second round pick and a late round pick then I would think that thats a good deal, considering that JT has some much left in him. After the trade, the Fins should take Gholston to replace Taylor. And with three second round picks, the Fins can add a cornerback, a right tackle, and a middle linebacker. And almost instantly the Fins have a defense thats a lot younger and possibly better.
Mando,You better keep whatever it is that you have been smoking away from Ricky.It must have been some pretty good stuff if you think Miami would seriously consider trading JT for a second rounder and a second day pick.
If Jacksonville will give us a second round pick - and - something in the third or fourth round, I think its a no brainer. 34 years old is old for an NFL player. Hell 34 is old even for a water boy. Jason also has a $7 million contract that we have to digest. I really hate to give him up, but... We are trying to rebuild. You have to break a few eggs to make an omlet !!! Comments ?
I have a question Mando.
Why do idiots continue to post on your blog when they have no concept of ANYTHING business related with the Miami Dolphins? And I mean absolute SFA - Nothing!
For example, huddleclubfinfan nicely shot your down.... but why again? Because you stated FACTS that JT would likely NOT net a 1st round draft pick at age 34??
Here's some facts for the experts who seem to know more than a guy following Miami for years. Draft picks are worth a lot. Way more than majority of you scrubs think they are. Terrell Owens in his PRIME was traded for a 2nd rounder. Don't be an absolute fool, theres no way JT is netting more than a 2nd + late draft pick. If we somehow get more, we'd have the deal already done because Parcells would be running all the way to the bank with it.
Seriously, some of you guys are just clueless. Learn how the draft system works, how teams value players and picks, THEN come back and start shooting your mouth off.
DO NOT TRADE JT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think we could also use a guy that has proven he can sack the QB, force a fumble, and pick it up to run it back for a TD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jaguars give miami #26 miami Gives them 32 And the jaguars can give us like a fifth of sixth rounder this works, right?
Taylor gets traded on draft day or after Parcells trades the #1 pick. Whichever comes first. Bill wont tip his hand if at all possible.Thats the beauty of being as bad as we were last year...I mean we`ve so many needs any draft will be fine.
My prediction,#1 to K.C. for #5 and#36,WE get Gholston,Cherrius or Nicks as O line help,whichever is left,Dan Connor as our future Middle linebacker.Next with our pick from the Chargers we take the best corner and now JT gets traded to Jacksonville.The next best O-lineman to build withand finally with our third rounder we need to tale a tight end.Hopefully Fred Davis is avalable.
Jeremy in the Cowtown`s thoughts.
trade him if you can get a 1st or 2nd & 3rd... if not, don't bother.. we need him here to rebuild.. we need leadership and that's valuable to any team...
JT is worth more than a first round pick if a team wants to win superball. With JT, good team can become superball contender, quick!
Man i cant wait for the superball!!! i hope this is better than the superbowl!
Pick # 58 is not good enough.
Either Jacksonville would need to cough up #26, or if they don't want to give up more than #58 they need to add next year's 2nd rounder and this year's 4th rounder at least.
Otherwise, no deal
Yeah...Superbal is better than the Superbowl..did you see that one from last year? You can find the highlights on Youtube...Man I am laughing my arse off!
Guys lets be real now. The dolphins are rebuilding. Yes, i said rebuilding and this means that we need to have great draft day selections. So guys we should trade Taylor for as many pics that we get. Anyways he'll retire in a couple of years. This is the best time to trade a great player that we can benefit from trading him. As one of u says, we really have to crack a few eggs to make an omelet.
OK, there are a ton of people really missing the point here! You have to ask yourself this question: "Am I a JT fan or a Dolphin fan?" It is the same question we had to ask ourselves in the late 1990's about Dan the Man. If you are a JT fan and you happen to like the dolphins, this is a tough decision, and you think he is worth more. If you think that the franchise is more valuable than JT, you want to get the best possible deal for him. A "best deal" is not just draft picks. If you move JT, your defense instantly gets younger, by a ton. With Zack and JT leaving, we have some holes, but our offense and defense have time to both grow old together. If you move JT you can get $7 mill in cap space. There is a cap credit for teams that do not go to the max during the year. If the dolphins got the 2nd rounder from Jax and $7mill in cap space this would allow the phins a total of 5 picks in the first 64 picks. That is an awesome way to build your team the right way...through the draft.
If we can somehow convince someone that the #1 overall pick is worth trading into to, we could aquire even more picks in the first 64. The key is going to be either selecting a franchise 15 year starter at either one of the line positions or drafting McFadden and using him in trade to another team.
This is difficult for fans of a player to grasp, but pull up your skirts and grab your balls and get what you can get for him!
Johnny Jets Hater
By the way, what month do they play the "superball" in? I somehow missed that one!
Johnny Jets Hater
Ok fellas...this is about the time of the month where I go on my Gholston rant..so here it is Vernon Gholston should be and will be our #1 pick..I said 2 weeks before the draft and I will continue to say it up until draft day..C. Long is ok but we will not let the Jets or the Pats snag Gholston not to see him line up on the opposite side of the ball for the next 12 years...he is flat out disruptive and is nowhere near reaching his peak or potential..trade JT now...draft Gholston next month!!!!
Trade JT for the 58th and a second rounder next year? I think that is horrible. Has anyone considered the fact that 58th is basically the third round? And then next years pick may be even lower if the Jags make it further. So we can't do better than a (close to) third round pick for a guy who is one year removed from being the NFL DEF PLAYER OF THE YEAR? And to the people complaining that his production dropped last year. Did you forget that he had Roth playing the opposite end and his DTS were hurt for most of the season. Also Capers didn't move him around at all like Saban did. The o-lines of our opponents had ONE guy to worry about and that was JT. If he were playing with a better defense he would dominate. The focus wouldn't be all on him. Mark my words, if JT goes to a team with a top 5 defense Miami fans will be whining and blaming Bill for letting him go. NYScott
"Anyway, the whispers have not risen to the level of actually writing about it in The Herald yet. But they are credible enough to be on this blog."
It's funny the link for this blog is on the Herald's home page.
In regards to the trade, we should not give up Taylor for a late second round pick and potentially a second day pick. This is not enough value for a (proven) perennial pro-bowler who still has gas in the tank. Sure Taylor is 34 but he is healthy and can still add value to this franchise.
You're just dying to get rid of JT, ain't ya Armando.
I know that Taylor has 3-5 good years left but knowing you have a ProBowl talent and you can't get a first round is stupid logic. A low second round or even a secound round for Taylor would be a steal for the team giving up a proven star and usual Dolphin foul up. We can give up a second for Feeley and Culpepper but can't get a One for Taylor.... Keep Taylor then...
swap their first round pick with our #32, and get their second rounder and a second day pick in 2009...
pro football talk rumor mill get on you Armando.
JAGS INTERESTED IN JASON?
Posted by Mike Florio on March 25, 2008, 7:51 p.m.
Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald reports, not for the Miami Herald but for its online blog (which apparently is like the journalistic kiddie table of the operation), that the Jacksonville Jaguars are rumored to be interested in Dolphins defensive end Jason Taylor.
Writes Salguero, “[T]he whispers have not risen to the level of actually writing about it in The Herald yet. But they are credible enough to be on this blog.”
So with newspapers facing ever-shrinking circulations as more and more people get their news and information in real time on their computers and other Internet-enabled devices, publications like The Herald are playing “if we can’t beat ‘em by acting like we’re better than them, let’s join ‘em . . . and continue to act like we’re better than them.”
For Salguero, it’s the best of both worlds. He can say that he broke the story if the Jags ultimately make a play for Taylor, but he hasn’t had to sully the reputation of his fish wrap by printing (God forbid) rumors and/or informed speculation on it.
As long as we Fail Forward Fast it does not matter what type of compensation we get for JT. All we have to do is pick a player and his family and we can rebuild instantly.
Seriously, take what we can get for JT (2nd round or better) and move on. Next year is a .500 season at best. What ever happens...
Go Phins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Two things: The anonymous person saying I'm eager to get Taylor out of Miami should know I don't have that kind of power.
As for Pro Football Talk -- apparently explaining what this post may or not mean to The Herald is more important than explaining what the trade means to Dolphin and NFL fans, which pretty much misses the point.
I caught a comment on a ProFootballTalk from a guy in the Jacksonville area last week-He heard local radio chatter breaking these rumors. Its supposedly been something they've been talking about for a while.....Hopefully this can work out. The Jags can make something happen NOW, we're still a few years off. If we can get a first, great, but it's probably a 2nd and a 4th....
'Mando - thank you for the new post. I believe a 2nd round pick is appropriate for JT. We save the cap space and get value for him now, instead of hanging on to him too long and getting nothing. I still think Denver in the 2nd round is a possible landing spot. Or Green Bay in round 2.
you people are so ignorant I will never trade a player Taylor he is the best you got....wake up and smell the cofe.
Paz y viva los delfines
like taylor...sorry
why don't we just trade ever player on our team and try to get draft picks to get younger and be like an expanion team! are u people retarted! u have to have some good players on your team to be a decent team! u have to have veterans to teach the young guys. u can't have veterans that suck u have to have players like taylor! other wise we will be like the bungles were for 40 years! u all are dumb! unless we get a top 15 don't do it! point blank!
Why bother dealing with a smart GM or coach. The art of a good deal is picking a team with a crazy owner like the Raiders (senile Al) or Skins (giddy Dan Snyder) and robbing them blind. Parcells knows this and will not let JT go for less than a high second and I wouldn't either - its time we were on the other end of one of these robberies.
It's going to happen.
When will people just let go? By the way, when was the last time Taylor came up with a big play in a big game?
Quick.
When?
Still thinking?
This is business. You can cheer for the next great player. We need more players. You get players in a draft. Let go of JT, guys. He is the past.
Embrace the future. It's going to happen.
It'll be good for business. Not emotionally concerned. Just like your girlfriends or wives not wanting to give up "that favorite purse".
Don't be "that guy". She looks pretty ridiculous, right? When she's all emotional over an accessory? Well, JT is like a favorite Dolphin accessory.
Let go.
Be a man.
We don't need him. We NEED THE VALUE HE REPRESENTS. We need what he can get us, as in a chance to draft a good player. By the way...what round was he originally drafted in?
Third, right?
Now with all the extra CHANCES, we need our front office to make great and wise and astute selections.
Then we can all cheer again and we'll all know whose mascara had run in the process.
Right fellas?
You'll see.
We don't need him.
Let go...
I was sitting here reading all of your posts and the debate on what JT's worth. Like many of you...I feel like JT is worth more than the 58th. Forget TO...forget Moss...not fair arguments. TO and MOSS come with some SERIOUS risk in the locker room. Not only is JT an elite pass rusher who has atleast 2 possibly 3 GREAT years left...he's a locker room leader! TO is NOT. Moss is NOT. Culpepper is NOT. JT is much more special than any of them if you take that into account as well. On top of that...defense wins championships. You don't think the Jags saw what the G-men did to Brady? And just WHO do you think is single handedly Brady's biggest nemesis? DUH. It's JT! He is currently one of every QB's top 3 "concerns". Merriman, JT, and Umenyiora are THEE three biggest fears for offenses. Peppers should be in there, but fell off big time last year.
A championship caliber team picking up JT gives them 2-3 years of tormenting Brady, Manning, and every other QB out there.
Come on guys...how big do you really think a Superbowl run window is??? Not everyone is like the Patsies. The Jags, the Eagles, Dallas, the Colts, and San Diego are the only teams I think JT would be happy to go to who would also make a play for him.
So here's my thought...and I'll use the team I think it's most likely with.
We draft Jake Long #1 and sit and watch. We see Branden Albert at #22 and as everyone has reported...KNOW that the Steelers want him. We swap our LOWER 2nd and JT for Dallas's #22 and a 2nd day pick and take Branden Albert right before the Steelers and come back at 32 with either a CB, ILB, or QB depending on who's still there.
Now before all of you start the "this is a deep draft for Tackles and Chris Long needs to replace JT"...
What round was JT taken? The 3rd.
What round was Joey Porter taken? The 3rd.
What round was Umenyiora taken? LATE 2nd at #56.
Jared Allen? ROUND 4!
Talented pass rushers can be found after the first round too!
SEEING JASON TAYLOR IN A JAGUARS JERSEY WOULD MAKE ME PUKE, I KNOW ITS INEVITABLE. LIKE BRUCE SMITH IN A REDSKINS JERSEY, REGGIE WHITE LEAVING THE "GANG GREEN" IN PHILLY TO PLAY FOR THE PACKERS,PANTHERS. IT JUST SUCKS, WE WILL PROBABLY BE WATCHING JASON BE HONORED FOR BREAKING MICHAEL STRAHAN'S SACK RECORD IN SOME OTHER JERSEY AFTER PROLONGING HIS CAREER AND HAVING 4 MORE GOOD PRODUCTIVE YEARS FOR ANOTHER TEAM. BRUCE SMITH PLAYED FOR 19 SEASONS! JASON IS LEANER AND HEALTHIER AND LESS WEAR AND TEAR ON HIS BODY, LOOK AT THE YEAR STRAHAN HAD, AND STRAHAN IS 4 YRS OLDER THAN TAYLOR. WATCH, IF WE TRADE HIM HE'LL BE GETTING A HALFTIME CEREMONY AND TROPHY FOR THE SACK RECORD WITH SOME OTHER WEIRD TEAM THAT JUST WONT LOOK RIGHT AND HIS DAYS IN MIAMI WILL JUST BE A GLOWING BUT FADING MEMORY TO US DOLPHINS FANS LIKE WATCHING REGGIE WHITE IN A PACKERS JERSEY AND NOT ON THAT NASTY "D" FROM THE EARLY 90'S HERE IN PHILLY (WHERE I LIVE) OR ALLEN IVERSON IN A NUGGETS JERSEY? WTF, ITS GONNA HAPPEN EVENTUALLY AND ITS GONNA SUCK D#&K. IF WE DO MAKE THE TRADE AND GET THE JAGS SECOND RD PICK; WE'RE LOOKING AT GUYS SUCH AS
JOE FLACCO (QB)
BRANDON FLOWERS (CB)
TARVARES GOODEN (LB)
XAVIER ADIBI (LB)
DUSTIN KELLER (TE)
SHAWN CRABLE (LB)
EDDIE ROYAL (WR)
ERIN HENDERSON (LB)
ANDRE WOODSON (QB)
ANDRE CALDWELL (WR)
RAY RICE (RB)
TONY HILLS (OT)
MARCUS HOWARD (LB)
THESE ARE THE GUYS THAT WILL GO SOMEWHERE IN THIS PICK'S RANGE- THE MID TO LATE 2ND ROUND UNLESS TEAM'S NEED TRUMP THEIR VALUE AND THEY REACH FOR ONE OF THESE GUYS. CALL ME CRAZY BUT I WOULD STILL TAKE JASON TAYLOR OVER THESE GUYS AND THERE IS SOME REALLY GOOD TALENT LISTED BUT THEN AGAIN, I DONT THINK THERE IS A MORE LOYAL DIE HARD JASON TAYLOR FAN THAN ME.
LONG LIVE THE MAMBO KING *99*!
(and my god his dancing partner is smoking hot!!!!!!) Edyta will you marry me?
Mando, don't mind PFT - they often seem more interested in trying to make "points" than in reporting the news.
I don't think we know for sure what JT's value is until after a couple of years - when we see how many years he plays and when he starts to drop off. If he does 2-3 more years (and we do good with the picks we get) then it will probably look like we did okay (or good). If he plays another 5 years with 3-4 pro bowls, then we probably won't be happy with a 2 and 4/5 unless those picks pan out big time. I'm sure that the trinity is looking at how long and well they think JT will play and will balance that against trade offers. But there is not guarantee that they'll get the balance right.
Same applies to Zach - if he is out of football in '08, then cutting him won't look so bad, if he is a force for Dallas we'll look foolish. Hard to know which scenario is more likely. I had a similar medical issue as Zach and I was useless for about a year (well, my wife might say I'm still useless...).
I don't see Miami trading Jason Taylor...
...until they've made they're first pick. I'm certain they'll want to keep their options open to move down, and if they do and still pick up Chris Long or Gholston (or drop futher and get Balmer or Harvery), they would then trade JT.
I would think #58 and a 4th or 5th...or higher pick in '09...would do it.
#58 would give the Phins back-to-back picks, which can be very powerful in a draft this level.
NOTE THIS LINE: Anyway, the whispers have not risen to the level of actually writing about it in The Herald yet. But they are credible enough to be on this blog.
That's all you have to know about the credibility of this post...
Mando,
Give us some new breaking news. We all know the jags are one of many contending teams that may want taylor. Like the packers, colts, these are all teams that are close
Take Parcells out and horse whip him if he makes a deal for anything less than a first rounder. If JAX is serious about JT, they need to make a fair offer.
I like the idea to trade with Spielman's Vikings for a 1st and 2nd - he owes us a lot. So why not start repaying some old depts. This also would move us in a position to draft Otah or Albert. The Jaguars trade would not move us in that position.
By the way - ZACH has been the keystone for this franchise not JT. OK now JT is the face but NFL - Not For Long.
I would like to point out to the wise and all knowing SOB that T.O.considerably lowered his value with his attitude and his mouth.JT is also a much better player with a much better attitude.I know that draft picks are important and valuable but I also know that they are a gamble.JT has consistantly played at a very high level.The odds of finding a player of his caliber in the second round are slim and none.I guess we will have to wait til draft day to see who the idiot is.
How about Miami's 1st pick in 2nd round (#32) and JT for Jacksonville's 1st (#28), 2nd (58), and maybe a later round pick (4th or 5th)? Sounds doable to me. That way we move up four spots and have three 2nd round choices plus an additional pick later in the draft...
With a 1st rounder, you *should* be drafting a Pro Bowler that will be with the team for 10-12 years. With JT, much as I love the guy, we have a Pro Bowler for another three years. So is a bird in the hand worth more than the possibility of a pot of gold behind the door? This game is a gamble!
My goodness, what a waste of cyberspace this whole Jason Taylor soap opera is.
"Count the Jags as one of the teams interested in Taylor."
I would count all the OTHER 31 teams as teams that would have a level of interest in Taylor.
I know picks in the draft are valuable, but these days its such a crap shoot. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the pick we acquire from whoever we trade Jason Taylor to turns out to be a huge bust and Taylor goes on to two or three more Pro Bowls with his new team?
I'd be naive to think that Parcells wouldn't entertain offers for Taylor, but I just don't see it happening and all this speculation is just wear and tear on our keyboards and fingers.
Me thinks that if Jason Taylor wasn't on "Dancing With the Stars," that we wouldn't hear word one about his trade possibilities. Visibility gets everyone talking.
Everyone needs to quit drooling about the rookie prospects in the draft. Such a high percentage are duds and in most cases, its the guys we haven't even heard about who will be future stars in the NFL.
Even though JT says he wants to stay with the Dolphins, I don't believe it for a minute.
He wants to move on like Zach did. And if he does end up staying, I don't think we'll get 100% from him.
A couple points...
One, in today's NFL, you can turn around a team pretty fast, with the right coach and GM, and maybe we finally have that. So, it might be that the Dolphins can be competitive to good within JT's remaining career window... Keep him.
Two, with the right GM, you can use the pick you'd get for him on a young, talented player that can help us rebuild this franchise into one that will be a contender for years to come... Trade him.
Either way, he's unique to me in that whatever happens, I can still wear his Jersey when the Dolphins play and be proud. He'll always be a great part of Dolphins' History to me.
Not to mention he's a pretty good dancer. LOL
Trade Jason Taylor ASAP!
As a Bills fan Jason Taylor and Zak Thomas have been a torn in our side for years. You got half of the move done now complete the stupidity. After the last great player leaves ...turn out the lights.
Lew
a Buffalo Bills fan
Armando - You're a little behind on this report. Matty I over at the Phinsider reported this on the 5th of this month!
http://www.thephinsider.com/story/2008/3/5/204144/9071
So, even though Pro Football Talk is crediting YOU with the information, you're BOTH trailing in the dust of Matty I.
Credit where credit's due.
Now I know why Miami fans are the laughing stock of football fans everywhere. A 2nd round pick would be greatf or the team because while that player won't be as good now, he could become that good eventually. Beside that point the question is how good will JT be in 3 or 4 years when the rebuilding is done. Unfortunately most of you just aren't smart enough to think about that. Be happy and thankfull if you get a 2nd round pick because you robbed another team giving them a player with 3 more years MAX.
Wasn't Wayne Huizenga lobbying to have the "Superball" hosted in Miami every year. I can't wait for the "Superball". Hell, maybe we can even make it all the way to the "Superball" next year.
A standing ovation for Matty I everyone!
Hey Anonymous who said Miami fans are the laughing stock of football...
Who said it would take 3-4 years to turn this team around? There are countless examples of one or two year turn-arounds.
I don't really think, in this day and age, that it should take more than two if you have a good Coach and GM.
Secondly...you just say "a 2nd round pick" but you don't say where in the second round that pick is! If someone offered a HIGH second round pick for JT...then it would be worth it, but chances are someone with a high pick isn't a contender. But a LOW 2nd rounder for him is NOT worth it to the Phins.
Look...a 2nd round pick is a small price to PAY if you're a team who is CLOSE to competeing for a SB...like the Jags. They need someone special to get them over the hump against the Colts, Pats, and Chargers. They don't have a window of time to wait for a rookie to develop into a Jason Taylor, don't have a high enough pick to draft one already that unstopable, and their chance of getting someone of that caliber in Free Agency is slim to NONE since DE's that good rarely hit the market. Giving up a combintion of picks, say low 2nd and 3rd, for a guy who can IMMEDIATELY command double teams or get them double digit sacks for the next three year is worth every bit of it!
Watch some games man...geez.
Germany speaking said...
I like the idea to trade with Spielman's Vikings for a 1st and 2nd - he owes us a lot.
Awesome.
I think he was talking about "Rollerball".
We really love it!
Mando, no mambo?
JIM VA IS RIGHT, jason taylor would be so big for jags that we must hold that to them in order to get there ist rnder.....we dont have to do this deal !!!I wouldnt draft two o-lineman tho , we gotta get another young defensive player that will be around for a long time...chris long should be that guy,,,,i like albert a lot.....i guy that should be there for us in 2nd is Sam BAKER...thats a good guy 2see in 2nd !
I love the people saying, JT is worth more than whatever player you can get with the "XXth" pick, "We need a first or nothing at all", etc.
JT was drafted in the THIRD round. Brady in the 5th. ZT in the 5th. Hell, Parcells got Romo undrafted and Ratliff in the 6th.
If you get a 2nd and 4th, you take it. Try to get as high as possible, but also try to get AS MANY as possible. We need as many picks as possible to try and land another gem. JT will be retired long before we are good again, it's time to think long-term.
Armando Salguero said...
"A standing ovation for Matty I everyone!"
Is that sincere of sarcastic?
"JT was drafted in the THIRD round. Brady in the 5th. ZT in the 5th. Hell, Parcells got Romo undrafted and Ratliff in the 6th."
And exactly how many players in the 3rd and 5th rounds did not turn out to be like Taylor, Brady, and Thomas? These players are the exception not the rule.
I do agree with getting as high of draft pick as possible and as many as possible but the line must be drawn somewhere. The market will determine the price and it's up to Parcells to decide whether to sell or hold.
Oh and I forgot to add Brady was picked in the 6th round (199th overall).
Oh, that's funny! "Mando, no mambo," well played Mr. Anonymous!!
Btw, I'm sure Mando can't Mambo, nor would anyone want to see it if he did. Kinda like crossing streams. GGthug peace out
Hey Armando, how about trading JT for Ex-Cane McKinnie? They need a pass rush DE & McKinnie is bad for their image...Saves us drafting a LOT
If we trade JT I want to get a player that is proven not some low first rounder or second round pick. It would be great If we could get Lito Sheppard for JT and a mid round pick. That way our secondary is upgraded and we can still draft Chris Long to replace JT.
how do you manage to write such rubbish and no on notices? I imagine you are so far off the radar no one cares
JT has a great idea. Trade for a QB.
Better idea?
Trade JT...
...for a QB.
How-jous-like-Dem-Apples, tough guy?
BTW...if you don't like this blog get out and stop reading and posting. If it's irrelevant...
"Well, man, that's just your opinion, man".
-The Dude
And...all you freaks putting down ArSa...
go fly a kite out of a chopper, baby.
Have a nice trip.
Anyone who thinks this blog is off the radar is living under a rock. Armando you kick ass, bro.
Hey fellas,JT is a great player but like we all kno hes 34,he has 3 more good years if hes dealt 2 the rite team but 1 or 2 if he stays here,and i bet he'll get hurt if he stays, lets trade him now and grab a pick or 2 in that second round, im also hearing interests from the Vikings for LT McKinnie, JT is 34 lets put him somewhere where he can win and we b compensated.
After looking at what the front office did in free agency,the Dolphins must address the O Line position in the draft with someone who can step in and contribute right away. If they go defense, it has to be Vernon Gholston... I feel like he is a Bill Parcells type 3-4 lB/DE type. That guy is a monster. The only guy to get a sack on Michigan's Jake Long. Don't be suprise if the Dolphins try pulling a trade for him and stockpile picks for next year.
I think trading taylor for a low second round or third round pick would be stupid. I am a bit bias only because the guy is really good and I really think that everyone forgets that it is not that difficult now for an nfl team to turn around in a year or two. I mean look at the packers. I am really drunk right now but I know there is more I just need another drink...anyway...If we can't get anything good for him why not keep him on....hell....he'll at least sell jersey's for pineapple face
How about we keep JT???? Screw 2nd,3rd or 5th round picks. I would like to have atleast one player I know on the roster. With Zack gone, who can we count on to be that Team Guy, the Name Player on the team. Not since the David Woodly,Don Strok erra has this team been so nameless. I say keep JT we need a Star.
I think this proposed trade (or one similar) of Taylor to the Jaguars is something we need to do. The team is a couple of years away from being a contenter. And despite the #1 pick and 2 picks in the second round the Fins simply need more talent that will play at a high level from 2010 to 2015. Taylor does not work in this scenario. In addition, the trade will free up some cap money, allowing us to play meaningfully in the second round of free agency over the summer.
As a a Jacksonville native and Jaguar fan living in S Florida. I hope my team can swing a deal for Jason Taylor. Our defense is good and pretty young at most other positions and I believe we found our quarterback with David Garrad. Our history with big free agent signings has not been good, but to get a player of this caliber is worth the risk. However, I do not believe we should over compensate the Dolphins for value. A third or fourth round pick is all I think the Jags should offer for JT's services.
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