Dolphins don't attend Long pro day in droves
Just got off the phone with a source who was at Jake Long's pro day today in Michigan.
For those of you excited about him being the possible first overall pick to the Dolphins ... I would chill on that idea for the moment.
The Dolphins had one representative at the workout today. The St. Louis Rams, who pick second in the draft and believe they have to find someone to replace Orlando Pace, had about a dozen pairs of eyes on Long's work.
[SATURDAY UPDATE: As has been the talk on this thread, Long will work for the Dolphins in a private screening, so to speak. So will Matt Ryan, so will Chris Long and perhaps others. That of itself is not an indication Miami will pick him.]
Long did not run Friday. He simply did position-related drills. If you're a Dolphins fan, it shouldn't matter what he did. He is not the pick.
Look, this is a good draft for offensive tackles. The Dolphins have a huge need in that they don't have a right tackle. If you believe they're moving Vernon Carey back to right tackle, something the Dolphins have not confirmed, they don't have a left tackle.
But the fact is even if they don't pick Long, they can still draft a tackle with the first pick of the second round and fill the position. The fact is they can live with Carey at LT and let the rookie play RT. The fact is this deep tackle class might offer a LT in the second round. The fact is Bill Parcells has not traditionally spent high picks on offensive linemen.
The fact is if Tony Sparano is as good a line coach as everyone says, they can find a diamond in the rough after the first pick and turn him into a diamond on the line. The fact is Jake Long, for all his gifts, is not a No. 1 overall pick type of talent.
By the way, Long is still an outstanding player. He was penalized for a holding once as a redshirt freshman and had one false start as a senior. But that didn't mean he didn't cheat a little.
“Absolutely. I’ll admit that I hold,” Long said with a laugh at the first day of the NFL scouting combine last month. “I’ll get my hands inside and hide it that I’m holding.”
The Rams will be thrilled. Your thoughts?
For those of you excited about him being the possible first overall pick to the Dolphins ... I would chill on that idea for the moment.
The Dolphins had one representative at the workout today. The St. Louis Rams, who pick second in the draft and believe they have to find someone to replace Orlando Pace, had about a dozen pairs of eyes on Long's work.
[SATURDAY UPDATE: As has been the talk on this thread, Long will work for the Dolphins in a private screening, so to speak. So will Matt Ryan, so will Chris Long and perhaps others. That of itself is not an indication Miami will pick him.]
Long did not run Friday. He simply did position-related drills. If you're a Dolphins fan, it shouldn't matter what he did. He is not the pick.
Look, this is a good draft for offensive tackles. The Dolphins have a huge need in that they don't have a right tackle. If you believe they're moving Vernon Carey back to right tackle, something the Dolphins have not confirmed, they don't have a left tackle.
But the fact is even if they don't pick Long, they can still draft a tackle with the first pick of the second round and fill the position. The fact is they can live with Carey at LT and let the rookie play RT. The fact is this deep tackle class might offer a LT in the second round. The fact is Bill Parcells has not traditionally spent high picks on offensive linemen.
The fact is if Tony Sparano is as good a line coach as everyone says, they can find a diamond in the rough after the first pick and turn him into a diamond on the line. The fact is Jake Long, for all his gifts, is not a No. 1 overall pick type of talent.
By the way, Long is still an outstanding player. He was penalized for a holding once as a redshirt freshman and had one false start as a senior. But that didn't mean he didn't cheat a little.
“Absolutely. I’ll admit that I hold,” Long said with a laugh at the first day of the NFL scouting combine last month. “I’ll get my hands inside and hide it that I’m holding.”
The Rams will be thrilled. Your thoughts?
posted by Armando Salguero at 8:11 PM
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i think the Dolphins very possibly will get 10 wins this year...Tuna is right on target...he has gotten every player he has wanted so far, except Pace, (which the jets paid a fortune for), Tuna has built a solid foundation without breaking the bank, no need to buy over priced free agents, Chris Long will undoubtedly be the first pick unless Tuna gets an offer he cant refuse...can get tackle and cornerback/safety after that...then may be another guard, and if they trade Taylor on draft day, will get 2 more picks and his $7M salary. Miami Dolphins will look good this coming year, Tuna is rectifying the major blunders of the past 10 years...he is doing extremely well...when the dust settles after the draft and June 1 second wave, Fish will be back!
Unless Jake Long dresses up in a Cowboys uniform he will never get looks from the Dolphins scouting and coaching staff.
The pick up of another Cowboys special teams player/CB Jones confirms the fact that the only credentials you need to be a Dolphin player is be a Dallas Cowboy or have some ties with the former Cowboys staff.
Still waiting for draft......Go Phins!!!!!!!!!!
This is very good news, Jake Long is not a franchise LEFT-TACKLE, he is no Orlando Pace, Walter Jones, Jonathan Ogden, or even Joe Thomas.
Thanks for keeping us informed 'Mando. As has been pointed out, the draft is so deep in tackes (and corners) that we can fill those in the 2nd round. Parcells has shown us through free agency that anyone with ties to him will be coming to the 'Fins, if possible. That means that the Al Groh tie at Virginia will put Chris Long ahead of Gholsten. Although I believe we won't draft Ryan because of all our needs, I do believe that Ryan has that "it" factor. He makes plays. Parcells doesn't honestly owe Beck anything. I also believe that Jerry Jones will try to take McFadden at #1 and he knows we'll take any reasonable deal.
We need to draft Jake Long. We have been without a franchise LT for years. J Long will give us that.
ARMANDO,
FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE YOU ARE RIGHT. I'VE BEEN SAYING IT ALL ALONG (NO PUN INTENDED). WE ARE NOT DRAFTING JAKE LONG. WE ARE DRAFTING CHRIS LONG. UNLESS SOME FOOL GIVES US A DEAL WE CAN'T PASS UP.THIS DRAFT IS TOO DEEP WITH OFFENSE LINEMEN TO WASTE IT ON A FIRST ROUND PICK. DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS - OFFENSE PUTS ASSES IN CHAIRS ! WE WILL GET OFFENSIVE LINE NEEDS IN LATER ROUNDS.
I like the tenacity, strength of character and speed Chris Long will bring us as the first draft choice. We can get a quality right tackle with our 1st pick in the 2nd round. I hope we also draft a guard with our 2nd pick in the 2nd round. I would like to see the first four picks spent on defensive and offensive lineman.
Hey Mando...I'll take that bet. This...is what's called a build up my trade possibilities smoke screen. They saw all the needed of Jake at the combine. There wasn't really even a need for him to have a pro day. We all know what he can do. The Tuna also knows his best chance to create a trade down scenario is with Ryan, and McFadden. Teams will not trade up to take Jake, or Chris, or Dorsey, or Ellis.
To the moron above who said he's not a franchise LT...you're only regurgitating what you've heard from the media who are talking him down. The guy IS a franchise LT. He's only a very slight notch below Joe Thomas being judged by guys opinions I value...and they also say he's better than Levi Brown.
I'll bet you all this...if we stay at #1...it will be Jake. They are merely posturing to trade down...which is what they REALLY need to do.
As for Parcells not taking lineman high...come on. That's like comparing all time greats. Every team, draft, and situation is different. Do you really think he's predictable? Don't forget he drafted Meshaun #1!
I hope they take a good long hard look at Joe Flacco in the second round. They guy has a rocket laser cannon for an arm.
I will be so pissed if they don't draft J Long. Clearly, he's the #1 choice!!
Fresh off the plane back from my latest TDY and I hear that we will be taking someone other than J. Long..(not surprising) well fellas remember it was I that said about a month and a half ago...that we will be picking Gholston..I still stand by that
Nobody wants to show their hand in these things. They want you to think one thing and then do the opposite. Last year the fin's bluffed their interest in Quinn, all teams do it. So just because there didn't 'seem' to be much interest, could just be a smoke screen. The only thing questionable about all this mystery, is that for the first pick, you are first, no need to bluff, you get the pick of your choice, so why not tell the world. I have no idea if they are interested in J Long or not, but they didn't need this day to figure that out one way or the other.
I was doing some research on buying a digital camera a few months back. There was something wrong with everyone of them in every price range. Everyone had a list of negatives that I didn't like. Well it's the same deal in the nfl, you can say nobody is really a #1 pick, but someone has to go #1. Just because the we didn't show that much interest in J Long today, doesn't mean we won't pick him. The bottom line is that he is certainly a top 5 pick, and unless there is some insanely superior player in the group, any one of them is a viable #1 pick player.
Regardless of what Armando believes, IMO, if the Dolfan's keep the pick, Jake will be the selection.
And to those who believe he'll play at RT, you absolutely kill me. Under no circumstance will Jake play RT in the NFL.
C'mon Armando... do you really get faked out that easily? I'm sure they would like to trade down, but if they can't, LT is their biggest need, so you take the best one, not a work in progress.
Miami will and needs to draft Jake Long. If it's Chris Long, someone please tell me what position he plays in a 3-4. No way it's on the line so only at OLB in JT's spot. Drafting Chris Long would have to come after a JT trade. I've heard all the crap about the draft in deep in tackles. The first five will go before Miami picks again in round two. One thing for sure...Jake Long will be a better left tackle than Carey. Carey needs to move to right tackle. Jake Long goes #1 to Miami. Once no trade down offers surface, the will sign & draft Jake Long. The O-line is the biggest area of need for Miami.
The Kid knows Dolphin football. Armando if you need to know whats happening check with the Kid. If the Kid is not available check with JinVa.
I've reviewed tape of every play for J Long's last two seasons. He has a problem opening up his hips, especially on runs to the right side. He also needs a tremendous amount of work refining his foot-positioning on seven-step drop pass-plays. Finally, he's susceptible to the left-arm over modified swim move from defensive ends weighing between 235 and
250. Tuna can and will pick a better tackle later on.
Superscout- I've been working with Jake on handling the super left handed swim moves. I think he'll be ok. And thank God all the ends he will face are 251 lbs and greater.
Mando!! You have to be kidding me right??? So the fins have to bring in 200 scouts out there for you to beleive they are taking him. Dude, parcells is playing mind games!!!. He has not done a thing in free agency when it comes down to left tackle. Look at the very first free agent he signed it was a offencesive lineman (Smiley), he knows it all starts up front both on offence and defence. We will get Jake long in my opinion, but lets not rule out taking (Ryan), then trading him to the falcons for there 3rd and Hall. The last thing parcells wants is to show soooo much love to Jake Long.
I think Jake Long might have difficulty in blocking DE's under 85 lbs and shorter than 4 foot. If the Jets sign Gary Coleman we're in big big trouble.
Mondo you are subsituting your opinon as fact, you dont know what they are going to do!!
Here's a fact we can all agree on, there is not CLEAR #1, so no matter who you pick it can be said he is not worthy of being the #1 pick. So if you cant trade out, fill your BIGGIST need (LT) and not think about it for the next decade. He is also the safest pick, we cant afford cap wise to miss on this.
As I said the other day, if the best tackle(J. Long) in the draft isnt good enough play LT then you wont find one in the second round.
Scott
Anony-above: Sweet, dude. My colleagues in the scouting industry have sometime remarked that I tend to pull the trigger too quickly on left tackles with the same obvious flaws as Jake L. Perhaps with your tutelage he can reach his full potential as a football player. Don't neglect his hips, though!
superscout- Rank this year's OTs and the projected round. Who will be there Round 2 and after that is worth a look? Cousins? Nicks?
Hey Superscout...all those flaws and he only gave up one sack in 4 years. Yeah...he needs a lot of work doesn't he! LOL~! If there were a lock "better tackle" to take later on...he'd be rated higher already!
sometime if it walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck and paddles like a duck, it is a duck. The Dolphins are not sending a trillion scouts to see Jake Long because they are not taking Jake Long.
HOW DID WE GET SO MUCH FREE CAP SPACE! Thanks Randy and Cam.
sometimes people step on what you think was a DUCK but it really was afart all along. Jake Long is the pick
MANDO LET ME GET THIS RIGHT, YOU WERE NOT EVEN THERE AND A CLOSE SOURCE TOLD YOU THE FINS WERE NOT PAYING TO MUCH ATTENSION TO JONG, BUT YET THERE WAS A SCOUT OUT THERE LOOKING AT HIM RIGHT? THE PROBLEM IS IN YOUR (OPINION) THERE HAS TO BE 2000 SCOUTS TO SATISFY YOU OKKKKKK!! JAKE LONG IS A GOOD PLAYER, I DONT THINK HE IS JOE THOMAS, SO IF THE FINS PICK HIM ILL BE HAPPY (KNOWING THERES NO CLEAR CUT # 1), BUT IF THEY PASS ON HIM AM GOOD TO, NICKS, GORDER CHERILUS, BRANDEN ALBERT, SAM BAKER, THERES QUALITY GUARDS OUT THERE FOR THE FINS TO GET WITH THERE FIRST PICK OF THE SECOND ROUND.
If they fix the offensive line in the draft and the special teams in FA I'm happy
AND? Is BP supposed to be foaming at mouth and have 20 scouts watching Jake Long? How is he then going to be able to convince Atlanta that they are drafting Ryan? BP will never tip his hand they know what Jake can do they don't need to be scouting him now, You are all fools if you think BP would tip his hand in any obvious way
and mando have you not learn athing yet? Good personnel p[eople never tip[ tyheir hand remember when Saban almost ignored Brown and talked up Braylon edwards?
I don't know who Parcells will pick but I know who is going tobe looking like a total clueless fool , if the pick is Jake Long His initials ? A S
Such silly bickering over a draft pick, speculating on something most likely already decided. Wait for the pick to come and then you can all have fun praising and bashing it. This draft is nothing more than a seed in the ground, so chill out, it will be a few years before this team becomes competitive.
You guys who think Parcells is playing some game to make some super trade are smoking something. There is no one trading up for the dolphins pick this year. No one wants the risk of 30+ million on a rookie.
if everoone in back of them are paying attention to him, and their not which he only had two sacks in four years, I dont really know:)
Hey Ri-Guy, SHUT UP!!! What are you anyway, some jets fan hanging out on a dolphin site. Every dolphin fan has the right to bicker about the pick...It's what we do here. BEAT IT you pats fan.
hey anon above, a bit stressed??? beat'n it is probably what you are doing. might think about trading your rightie in for a girlfriend.
maybe matt ryan is not a smokescreen.......c long and ryan are both tuesday I believe.......lets see how many reps at each.
Some observations:
1. Other than Smiley we've haven't signed an offensive lineman, we need offensive lineman since we've released several. The good ones available in free agency are gone. That leaves the draft and trade as the only options left.
2. You've said that Jones, Cowboys are enamored with McFadden in the draft.
3. The Cowboys just resigned their highly regarded left tackle Flozell Adams.
4. Given the obvious dealings we've already had with the Cowboys, it wouldn't surprise me if Jones traded Adams and one of his first round picks(and later round(s)?) for ours in order to ensure picking Mcfadden. All of the trade scenarios up to this point list one of the Cowboys running backs in the trade. We DON'T NEED running backs. We DO NEED a left tackle.
This seems like such an obvious possibility to me that I don't see why it hasn't been mentioned before. Am I missing something???
Z
I believe still is a JONES/PARCELL/HEIZINGER connection. I believe fromtalking to my Brother who is a big Dallas Fan, that from the sites he reads JONES is enamored with MCFadden and wants him. He's jsut laying low.
I believe a deal is in then making between Parcell's and Jones so he can get McFadden, by trading his two picks in round #1. Or possibly a #1, later round and a trade of somebody we need that will clear cap space so he can sign McFadden.
If that doesnt happen Miami will take Long because everything they've done so far say they need him. Dont resign Hadnot, 1st pick in FA Smiley. Dont do anything in FA to address that need
If Miami doesnt trade out expect Jake Long.
Dear BP
I have just learned the Jake Long has a cousin in Texas who is friends of a friend to a former trainer for the cowboys. There's your connection now do the right thing.
OK Assuming that Sporano is the Coach and not Bill Parcells.
Sporano is a natural OL guru. Don't you think he would lean towards the positions of his preference in the draft.
Rich Kotite drafted Keyshawn Johnson, not Bill Parcells.
Why is BP getting all the credit for every Dolphins move. I am under the impression that he just gives final say on what the Rookie Coach and GM brings to him....BP is not your coach people, quit dreaming, he is a figurehead at best.
I personally think that the Dolphins have done a lousy job in Free Agency.
They have only shown they are not willing to spend money on good players like Ken Cote said.
And Zach to Dallas without us getting a pick. C'mon...who dropped the ball on that one.
That's you first fumble of the year folks...Don't expect brilliance in the draft either.
This team repeats 1-15, 2-14 at best...
While Parcells was HC of the Giants in 1988, they drafted OT 1st and 2nd round, one being Jumbo Elliot.
The first rule of the draft is don't show your true interest. In fact, for the Dolphins it's better to show interest in other prospects if you hope to pull off a trade.
Parcells Inc have stated they make decision based on tape and character, not combine results, so there's no need to be there at all, they already know what Jake brings to the table.
IMO, it's a greater indication of them being interested than not, besides they need more than 1 O-lineman in the draft.
Hey anon, I'm talking football and the draft. Your talking about having a wank, get your mind out of the gutter dirty boy and stop touching your self... You could go blind. Tell your boyfriend Ri-guy I'm sorry.
Ben Dogra, who works for super agent Tom Condon and is one of Long's representatives along with Condon, said the Miami Dolphins and Atlanta Falcons are scheduled to come to Ann Arbor for private sessions with Long before the draft.
This was a caption taken from the Toledo Blade in regards to Proday. Didnt add the link but it's Toledoblade.com (Michigan news). Great right up about Jake Long and how he wasnt expected to do much on pro day. Maybe that is why the Phins only sent one scout. They already have a private workout scheduled for him. Like many have already said this is a game of hide and go seek. The Phins still want to bait the Falcons into trading for Ryan in the hopes they bait them out of an extra second and allow the Rams to make there decision for them wehter it be Chris or Jake. Dont think Atlanta is going to fall for it thought and I still fully expect Jake to be the pick. I love every time I hear what a deep OT class this this. It's Deep because atleast five or 6 have 1st rd grades. Also Carl Nicks just got arrested and banned from Pro Day so you can nix him off the 2nd round radar.
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080315/NEWS19/803150420
This is the link on Michigan Pro Day. Watch when Miami brings everyone to scout Matt Ryan. I am going to laugh. So many mind games this time of the year.
Such silly bickering over a draft pick, speculating on something most likely already decided. Wait for the pick to come and then you can all have fun praising and bashing it. This draft is nothing more than a seed in the ground, so chill out, it will be a few years before this team becomes competitive.
The Last 6'7 315 Tackle out of Michigan Parcells had for so many years was certainly Jumbo Elliott. Now let it be Jake Long.
Does anybody remember the last time a 3-4 OLB was drafted with the #1 pick??? For all those who say we need to draft an impact defender in the 3-4 instead of an offensive lineman is just crazy. Teams in the 3-4 have made livings in the later parts of the draft drafting undersized defensive ends and converting them into there 3-4 schemes. Pittsburgh is one team that really comes to mind because I dont think they have ever drafted a 3-4 OLB for there system but yet still have plenty of success. For all those who say a lineman like Collins and Nicks would be on par with Jake Long so then I am going to say that I think a player like Groves or Avril whom I see as better natual fits to be a 3-4 OLB would be better player to have then Chris at #1.
I think your right. There isn't any chance Parcell's and company goes tackle with the first overall pick. If we end up keeping the pick, the logical choice would be DE Chris Long. On defense it definetly starts up front and long would be the only choice here at #1.
eeny meeny miney moe, whoever can guess the first pick blows :P
If the Dolphins want to entice another team to trade up for the #1 pick, acting as if we were interested in any one player would not be helpful. Think of it this way: if our interest is the one player some other team is actually covets (Ryan for the Falcons, J Long for the Chiefs, etc.), then why would we trade with them so they can select the player we "want"? If we act very interested in a player no one else is targeting, then there is no need for any team to trade with us, since we won't take their player anyway (they'll be trying to trade with the Rams instead at a lower price).
Our best strategy is to avoid tipping our hand and hope other teams begin to make inquiries into the asking price to move up to #1. For example, if Baltimore covets Ryan and asks what it might take to trade up to select him before Atlanta can, then the Falcons might make an offer to move up so Ryan cannot be "stolen" from them. If we act like we are sold on Ryan as our franchise QB, then why would we trade out of our #1 spot?
The plethora of Rams' scouts at Jake Long's pro day was actually good for the trade value our #1 pick. Any team that really wants J Long now knows it must trade with us to get him, or the Rams will take him at #2.
I think the Dolphins got a practice tape from Mike Walsh, and they dont need to research J long anymore.
i do have to laugh at the guy that thinks Miami is good for 10 wins next year... thanks... i haven't laughed like that in a while with all the turmoil in the world... and since ALL of our speculation is sheer and utter BS... i'll go on ahead and waste a little bit of everybody's time with my own BS... SLIM chance that Miami passes on Ryan... for several reasons... 1) the obvious, Miami STILL needs a franchise QB and Ryan is as close as they come between this draft and next years draft 2) draft is deep at OT both this year AND next year and let's not kid ourselves into believing that Miami won't be drafting inside the top 10 again next year 3) NO one player changes the dynamics of a game the way a QB does.
My take... Matt Ryan with the first pick IF Miami can not manage to trade down...
...lol though... 10 wins this year...
Frankly I believe you don't have a idea...the fact that they have only one scout there is nothing...you forgot to add that they have him on a private meeting before the draft;
"Ben Dogra, who works for super agent Tom Condon and is one of Long's representatives along with Condon, said the Miami Dolphins and Atlanta Falcons are scheduled to come to Ann Arbor for private sessions with Long before the draft."
Add the fact that the Dolphins already have seen him on tape and also in person at the combine...says all I need to know.
By the way...who else in Miami does Condon represent?
JinVa---your lack of insight into the skill set that make a tackle a good left tackle is staggering. The "only" sack allowed by JL came on a pivotal third-down play and likely cost the Wolverines the App. State game. Moreover, he allowed 24 "hurries" and 12 "knock-downs," all of which resulted from open hips and/or modified super-swim moves. Do your homework and stop spreading misinformation. Are you making your posts up out of thin air? My fellow scouts and I think so!
Figuring the way the Dolphins love those Cowboy players, maybe they will cut Zach Thomas during training camp and we can pick him back up.
NOBODY wants the #1 pick in this draft. Nobody is worth the huge payroll gamble.
with the first pick of the 2008 nfl draft he miami dolphins pick....bobby booshay jack linebacker.
I think the fins will end up taking vernon gholston. Hes perfect for a 3-4 defense as he can play DE and OLB ala Jason Taylor. We do need to address the OL so i think there is a chance we take Jake Long but something tells me Gholston will be the pick. I think Chris Long is the smokescreen because according to many hes a finished product and the safest pick in the draft and also alot of teams are going to be wanting to upgrade their defensive line after the giants defeated the patriots thanks to their DL. This is a copycat league.
The pick is Matt Ryan, period. If they cant deal the pick to Dallas, for both 1st rounders this year and one next year(and not for anything less)then you will see the Dolphins select Matt Ryan. Yes they do also need a Tackle (left or right is of little consequence) but the tackle class is much deeper then the QB class, thus they can select one with the first pick of the second round.
SuperScout- I told you I already worked with Jake Long on the Super Swin Moves. Only thing left to cover in my training is blocking the "Gary Coleman" type of DE mentioned earlier. Because of his height getting low enough might be an issue. I'll keep you all posted.
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080315/SPORTS17/803150420
^correction or maybe update on the toledoblade article.....maybe they changed the link......and thanks for that find anonymous.
If the leg whip was legal, that would be the way to block Gary Coleman. Jake Long maybe too tall. Please keep us updated on his progress, we don't want to waste the pick.
i also hope we checked out henne, hart, arrington and manningham :)
michigan was loaded with prospects this year....great to watch them vs the gators in that bowl game.
If the Dolphins don't choose Jake Long, Chris Long should be the top pick of this year's draft. Miami has long exposed themselves with gambles. Since '97, their draft record proves that. The team has to go for the safest bet, along with a need. As there are so many sure-shot tackles in this year's draft, quarterback also is another position that delivers a lot of talent. Plus, the Dolphins roster has question marks written all over at the quarterback spot. I think Miami should focus on Joe Flacco or Chad Henne with their first choice in the second round. Flacco has the most upside. Then the Dolphins should look to secure a right-or-left tackle with New England's pick at the end of the round. Defensive End, Quarterback and Offensive Tackle should be filled in that order.
"With the first pick in the 2008 NFL draft the Miami Dolphins select..... Jake Long, OT, Michigan." Now just pretend you heard this in Comish Roger Goodell's voice. Oh, the second pick for the Dolphins will be Joe Flacco. This combo will give the Dolphins the best chance of making a difference this year.
Hello Armando, I am going to refrain from commenting about your direct response to me regarding the discussion with Chris Nelson. I will also disregard your allegations that my posts are somehow inconsistent. You are in error on all counts, but I forgive you trespasses because I have a kind heart. Keep up the good work, especially with the looming economic downturn, I know your industry is suffering the effects.
Good luck, Armando, and God bless you.
G. Restrepo III
Coral Gables
Hey Mando, nice update to render your whole article/blog irrelevant! Your headline reads "Dolphins not paying great attention to Jake Long"
As pointed, they are flying up the big brass to work him out privately. You say this fact "of itself" doesn't mean they will pick him. Of course not, duh! Nice attempt at a save, but it doesn't help. Your article is full of lose. Try again.
If they don't pick Ryan with the number one-they will be picking number one for years!They need to address team needs from the top down not in some wholesale quantitiy not quality grab bag game.Do it right now or in Tony Soprano's linguistic terminology"Fuggedaboudit!!!!!!"
I don't think M. Ryan is safe pick @ No. 1. Either Long could be the safest pick at No. 1.
Read a mock draft that had Fins getting C. Long first.
Then The Tuna calls upon his Dallas connections to trade Fins
2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder for Dallas' 22nd pick in the first round. With that pick they acquire B. Brohm.
I personally like the deal.
Any comments.
oscar_g
Just because Matt Ryan is 'considered' the highest rated QB in the draft doesn't necessarily mean he is a guaranteed franchise QB. Unless our coaching staff thinks he is significanlty better than what we have now, they would be fools to pick him. Since the whole world seems to have it narrowed down to one of the two Longs, I say look for a suprise, either nose tackle or McFadden. Even though we just covered NT from dallas, he realistically only has a few prime years left, and Ronnie Brown and RIcky are still question marks because of injury.
Well you can knock deangelo hall off of your radar..... ESPN and PFT both say raiders and falcons have basically agreed to a trade
What is more useless, this blog or we who are responding to it?
Posted this in another blog and thought some of you might like to read the reasons why Jake Long should be the pick. Enjoy!
Myself personally I really like to study depth charts and recent free agent signings then I look at the teams biggest need that is left on there roster and usually choose BPA using a player ranking system from different draft sites.
Many haven chosen Chris Long to the Dolphins but I on the other hand have chosen Jake Long and here is the reason why
LT???? LG????? C Samson Satele RG Justin Smiley RT Vernon Carey
Trey Darilek,Drew Mormino, and Cory Lekkerrker.
* Offensive line is missing the complete left side on my current depth chart. I have very little backup talent as well.
Many say well this is a very deep tackle draft. And my response to that is what if the draft falls like this...
2-3 St. Louis or Atlanta select OT Jake Long
5 Kansas City Cheifs select OT Ryan Clady
Carolina Panthers select OT Chris Williams
Chicago Bears or Detroit Lions select OT Jeff Otah
Pittsburgh Steelers,San Diego Chargers, or Seattle Seahawks select OT Gosder Cherilus
So now Miami is in a position with the number 33 pick to select
A. QB Joe Flacco
B. OT Anthony Collins
C. OT Sam Baker
* In this scenario a player like Flacco would trump the value of the OT's that are left. Your team currently has a huge hole at OT remaining but you chose to go with Chris Long. If you choose OT Jake Long with the 1st pick then Joe Flacco gives you a great value pick at the top of that round. Let alone they are probably going to be higher rated corners and linebackers that will trump the value of the OT that is left over after the 1st round wave. Do the Phins really want to sweat this one out and hope a starting caliber tackle falls to them at the back end in the second????? I dont think so. At least not if I was running the team.
Looking at my current defense
OLB Jason Taylor (Rumors are out there but even Taylor himself has denied all rumors of a deal of him wanting out. Until he is officially dealt then I am going to count him as one of my starting 3-4 elephant backers.
OLB Joey Porter- The prior regime has invested a ton of guaranteed money in him so I just cant release him. He was very producitive playing 3-4 for the Steelers so we can attest his struggles last year due to the fact that they played him as a SLB and as a former defensive end out of Colorado he wasnt really suited for those duties. Count him in as my other starting 3-4 OLB
OLB Quentin Moses- 3rd round pick seems ideally suited to be an OLB in a 3-4. Raiders tried him as a DE but that is not his spot as we love his potential to really shine in our style of defense.
OLB Reggie Torbor- Played strong side linebacker for the Giants but was originally a defense end coming out of Auburn. We may be able to develop him as an ILB in the 3-4 or even bring him off the edge since he has experience being a undersized defensive end.
DE/OLB Matt Roth- He may be too small to play end in our 3-4 but we are going to have to find a spot for this kid. He has experience playing linebacker from his highschool days and he was also slated to play linebacker at Iowa until the coaching staff felt his tenacity would be better served at DE. He is currently at 272 so getting him to about 265 shouldnt be a problem. Has always been known to have a non stop motor so he could be a surprise.
OLB Abraham Wright- 7th round pick lay over from Colorado surprised many during training camp until getting hurt. Developmental prospect who might make a nitch with special teams.
I currently have a total of 6 capable 3-4 OLB's even without the addition of Chris Long.
I feel this research that has been compiled here allows me to form a good opinion on why I think OT Jake Long goes to the Miami Dolphins over Chris Long.
superscout(I don't think so)- the one sack that J.Long gave up was to V. Ghoulston. You claim to have some cred but don't seem to do your homework.
Houstonphinfan
J Long is the #1 pick. Anybody that doesnt see it after taking even a cursory look at our roster must be brain-damaged. Take a look at the 1990 draft. This year will be a mirror of that draft - at least for the first 2 picks positionally speaking.
Armando, were you covering the White House in the lead-up to the Iraq invasion?
Your "sources" know you have a blog and that you'll report any tidbit you get in a slow Dolphins news cycle. You're reliable in that way - you report everything you hear, no matter how credible.
The Fins are trying to get Atlanta to trade up for Ryan. Watch, you will start to hear reports about how Long isn't worth the top pick, and how impressed they are with Ryan- and in this age of draft over-scrutiny, the press will reliably dwell upon it.
The press's coverage of the "mushroom cloud" talk before the Iraq war should have taught you to be more than just the Dolphin's stenographer.
As time goes by it looks like the Dolphins will select Matt Ryan, QB, BC with the 1st overall selection.
However, you can not rule out the possibility of a trade with either the Falcons, Browns or Cowboys.
Should the Dolphins trade with the Falcons I think Vernon Gholston, LB, OSU will be their man with the 3rd overall selection.
Should the Dolphins trade with the Cowboys or Browns, Joe Flacco, QB, DE with be their man.
Just my opinion.
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Don't tell anyone, but Bill Parcells and Jerry Jones have an elaborate give-and-take scheme in motion that will culminate next month when Jones moves up to draft Darren McFadden, and Tuna drops down to nail 2 high pedigree first round picks to go with his 2 second rounders. Jeff Ireland, Zach Thomas et al are pawns in this game, and JT may be as well.
If Adrian Peterson would of not had the year he had, Joe Thomas would of been the Rookie of the Year. Jake long won the award for O-line when Joe Thomas was a senior. 2 penalties in all his college career and he admits to cheating a bit? The man knows what he is doing in the trenches. That's the exact type of player you want in your O-line.
BP went after Flozell, a 6'5" 300 something pound lineman and didn't get him. Jake long is a 6'5" 320 lb lineman and is 10 years younger. Sparano, being an O-line coach, must be licking his chops knowing he could have an OL like Jake Long.
Dolphins will take Jake Long.
The dolphins have plenty of talent already for the linebacker spots if you include Matt Roth(former backer) Moses, Glymph, Wright and Porter for the outside and Torbor, Anderson, Miles, Crowder, Ninkovic, and Smith inside. I actually like Grigsby for ILB because of his size, speed and tenacity.
For the line we have Ferguson and Starks at nose. Wright and Holiday at tackles/ends with back up battles behind them.
There will be some quality players getting cut during camp for defensive line and offensive line as well as other spots. We will be signing another 4 or 5 players before season. The draft will give us 7 or more plus you can count on an agressive free agent signing for anyone not drafted of at least 6 to 8.
I say we draft and sign 4 offensive linemen including the top pick if we can trade and if we do we still go line.
you are wasting draft picks on a QB without a line and talent around him. Build the core first. Anything else is just stupid besides there are some great QB options later in the draft that will take a few years to develop. No one knows if the 4 on the roster now are the guys. They may be as good or better than Ryan. I think Beck will be the answer by the time the line is ready in 09 because it will take this year for the draft picks to figure it out.
Hey, just a quick question from someone on the outside. If Taylor goes, don't you guys need Defense? Or a QB? You guys take Howie's kid, St. Louis takes Jake, and both teams win two or three more games next season. CU
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