Pacman Jones IS NOT on the Dolphins radar
Pacman Jones, the suspended strip club enthusiast, is apparently on the radar of several teams interested in trading for him.
Want to hear something really funny? According to the Tennesseean newspaper in Nashville, the Dolphins are among the teams interested.
With all due respect to the fine work that newspaper does, the Dolphins ARE NOT interested in Jones for a myriad reasons.
First, Jones is suspended and there is no certainty his lawyer will be able to convince the NFL to allow Jones back on the field for 2008 after he missed all of 2007 when six arrests and various legal issues caused commissioner Roger Goodell to take punitive action against him.
Secondly, Bill Parcells, who is running the Dolphins, has stated he doesn't want "thugs or hoodlums," on his team. He said this at his introductory press conference:
"I’m interested in good character people. I don’t want thugs and hoodlums on the team. I really don’t. I don’t want bad character guys. I don’t want problem children. I’m more willing to let someone else try to address those things with other people. I want to get a good base of good character people that are dependable, reliable employees and come to work with the idea of trying to win football games for the Miami Dolphins.”
I know for a fact that Parcells told Miami players the exact same thing in private during a team meeting. If the Dolphins add Jones, who at the time of his suspension was the personification of, shall we say, a soul run afoul of laws, Parcells will not only lose face publicly (which is important) but also within the Dolphins locker room (which is more important).
Finally, how much sense would it make for the Dolphins to show no interest in DeAngelo Hall, who is not a character problem, but make a play for Jones, who isn't as good, has an uncertain future, and does raise red flags with his character?
As a Dolphins person told me, "Don't believe everything you read."
Want to hear something really funny? According to the Tennesseean newspaper in Nashville, the Dolphins are among the teams interested.
With all due respect to the fine work that newspaper does, the Dolphins ARE NOT interested in Jones for a myriad reasons.
First, Jones is suspended and there is no certainty his lawyer will be able to convince the NFL to allow Jones back on the field for 2008 after he missed all of 2007 when six arrests and various legal issues caused commissioner Roger Goodell to take punitive action against him.
Secondly, Bill Parcells, who is running the Dolphins, has stated he doesn't want "thugs or hoodlums," on his team. He said this at his introductory press conference:
"I’m interested in good character people. I don’t want thugs and hoodlums on the team. I really don’t. I don’t want bad character guys. I don’t want problem children. I’m more willing to let someone else try to address those things with other people. I want to get a good base of good character people that are dependable, reliable employees and come to work with the idea of trying to win football games for the Miami Dolphins.”
I know for a fact that Parcells told Miami players the exact same thing in private during a team meeting. If the Dolphins add Jones, who at the time of his suspension was the personification of, shall we say, a soul run afoul of laws, Parcells will not only lose face publicly (which is important) but also within the Dolphins locker room (which is more important).
Finally, how much sense would it make for the Dolphins to show no interest in DeAngelo Hall, who is not a character problem, but make a play for Jones, who isn't as good, has an uncertain future, and does raise red flags with his character?
As a Dolphins person told me, "Don't believe everything you read."
posted by Armando Salguero at 1:54 PM
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Hey Armando, good point, but Hall isn't a character problem? Of course Pacman takes the cake, but what are the details with Hall? Wasn't there some sort of disturbance with him on the team? Conflict with coaches? On a crappy team like the Falcons, a player being unhappy and wanting to leave isn't a big deal, but I seem to recall him having some anti-team/unprofessional incidences. Fill me in if you know.....But all in all, really happy we're nowhere in the mix for this moron(Pacman). Send him to Iraq!!
There is no way Parcells is even THINKING about signing that loser. They probably added teams to the article to generate more interest. Armando, you say Hall doesn't have a history of problems but wasn't he the one who had a screaming match and got in the face of the coach last year? I thought Atlanta was pretty mad about that which is the reason they are looking to trade him? No? NYScott
Maybe you shouldn't believe everything the organization tells you. And maybe you should do something but make inferences, given that the Nashville paper likely had reason to believe that the Dolphins were interested, while all you had were guesses why they wouldn't be.
And maybe, Chris you should know what the heck you're talking about before posting, because in this instance, you clearly don't.
To red dog and NYScott: DeAngelo Hall had an ugly and public meltdown on the sideline last season with Petrino. He apologized for it and it was football-related, not related to off-the-field matters. Goodell, as a matter of fact, named Hall to serve on the player advisory council. He doesn't pick players he thinks are problematic.
How am I wrong? Your whole post, outside of one blurb at the end about something anonymous Dolphins guy told you, is assumptions based on things that have happened in the past. That's a fact. So this isn't any actual reporting. This isn't contradicting the Nashville report by saying "Parcells and/or a Dolphins front office guy told me that the team has zero interest in Pacman." This is you saying that it must not be true based on something Parcells said a few months back.
Because I'm sure Parcells has never lied or contradicted himself in his career.
I can't believe that some of you guys are saying DeAngelo Hall has character issues. Why? Because he was yelling at that horrible coach Petrino in Atlanta. Give me a break!!! Pacman in my mind is not even an NFL player!!! He is just another young and dumb guy with money. I can't even tell you what kind of player he is on the field, but off the field he is a Pro Bowl Hoodlum. You guys are amazing and very judgemental. Stop watching so much television!!! Who has never had a an argument with a boss or anyone before. Strip club shootings and sideline arguments are not in the same class.
Chris, you are free to believe my blog or the report -- which by the way, named no source, but simply wrote from a voice of God perspective.
I didn't say this was my opinion. I posted this as a fact that they will not trade for Pacman. I hope, as an aspiring journalist, you realize people don't do that without doing some "actual reporting," as you put it.
Very nice, Armando. Try to put down Chris and insult the Tennessee reporter in the process. So he didn't do any "actual reporting." He'll be glad to read that.
Hey, one question. If the Dolphins aren't signing people with character issues, explain David Kircus to us.
Armando,
I don't always agree with what you post, but I just wanted to say thanks for taking time out of your day to post your thoughts on this blog.
Now, can you just do something about Cote and LeBetard?
Matt in NC
The fact is newspapers speculate all the time on teams that could be in on trade talks or coaches when there's a search or players at the start of free agent.
One newspaper threw the dolphins in there without probably realizing it makes no sense. Armando is just clearing it up. That's not a rip on the Tennessee newspaper or anybody else
I don't think the Titans reporter pulled the Dolphins out of thin air. Somebody told him, just like somebody told Armando it's not true.
And Armando blasting a guy for writing like Voice of God. That's classic.
I hardly think pointing out something is written voice of God qualifies as blasting someone. Fact is I read Armando complimenting the job the Tennessee paper does.
Some people just love to twist words to stir crap.
FinsHeavenBlows: Armando called what the guy wrote "funny". I'm sure the other guy wasn't looking for laughs when he turned his story in.
Just because snarky Armando says "With all due respect" doesn't make him polite about it. Whenver anybody starts off a sentence with "Not to be rude" or "With all due respect" an insult is coming. Dom Irrera made a living on those jokes. "Not to be disrespectful, but those jeans make you look like a fat pig. ..... With all due respect"
The problem is, the entire blog is a guess outside of the one quote at the end. A quote that, by the way, doesn't indicate at all that the conversation was even about the Pacman rumor.
The thing is, you didn't open with this quote. You wrote three opinions on why it doesn't make sense, THEN you put the quote. Just as a little side note. If a Dolphins official had told you that the Dolphins have no interest in Pacman (which as I said before the quote doesn't indicate being as general as it is) you would have opened with that, then said why it didn't make sense in your opinion anyway.
This leads me to believe that either you have no quote, or more likely you have this general quote that you threw in to the end of the entry to make it seem like the entire post wasn't just assumptions.
With all due respect anonymous, you are missing the point. The point is Pacman isn't coming to the Dolphins.
Bottom line: Which report do you believe, that the Dolphins are interested in Pacman, or that the Dolphins aren't going to trade for Pacman?
One or the other. Which is it?
Thanks for clarifying Hall's actions on the sideline, and I have to agree with you. Big difference between what he's done and the actions of thugs (pacman/vick/PORTER!). If he checks out as a team player, I'd love to have him. All the talk in my hood has Porter AND Taylor being traded. Everyone thought Pace was supposed to be Taylor's replacement, but I think he was supposed to be Porter's. Armando, of all the theories out there, are we more likely to go for Sheppard (Eagles) or Hall? I sense a big multi-team trade sometime near the draft that may or may not include of #1. What do you think? By the way, I've ripped on Armando in the past quite mercilessly, but I have to say thanks for giving us whatever tidbit you can during this time. I get what you're saying, and keep it coming!
Armando,With Parcells not adding any depth in the secondary whats the news on that?I hope he doesnt think the secondary can wait to be fixed.
FinsHeavenBlows: Your last post shows you can't grasp logic. This isn't an either-or argument because the Dolphins could be interested and he still might not come here. Just like Calvin Pace.
I think both reports could be wrong because I'm a grown man that doesn't believe anything he reads unless there are direct quotes and I'm comfortable that we probably won't even really know because even if the Dolphins are interested and have made some calls (even one quick call to find out the asking price is some kind of interest).... if they don't get Pacman, you think they're ever going to admit it to the media????
So go flex somewhere else.
if you dont like amando and this blog. stay the hell off
This post by anonymous, "I dont trust any stories," is ridiculous. If you only trust stories with quotes, I imagine you think Nixon got a raw deal from the Washington Post on watergate, right?
Yes exactly. I don't trust the Watergate stories because they were never confirmed. We're still waiting to find out what happened there. Sheeesh.
WELL PAC-MAN AND HALL ARE SHUT DOWN CORNERS BUT, I DON'T THINK PARCELLS WILL TRY TO GET THEM... TOO MUCH BAGGAGE. THESE GUYS NEED TO GO TO CINCINNATI WITH THE REST OF THE TROUBLE. WE'LL FIND A NICE CLEAN CUT CORNER IN THE DRAFT !!
"With all due respect" means just that. "Hey, I respect you, but I disagree".....Novel concept. Evolve beyond ape status and you'll understand...
Wow Armando i seen that same article on profootballtalk.com 2 days ago.. the only thing you did was elaborated more on why..
I'll reserve judgement on the Pacman Dolphins rumor until I hear what Israel Gutierrez has to say on ESPN.
I'll reserve judgement on the Pacman Dolphins rumor until I hear what Israel Gutierrez has to say on ESPN.
i heard the Falcons did a "code red" on Hall. Which means a group of veterans whooped his ass in teh locker room after his tyrade on the sidelines.
With all due respect to Armando, I am an optomist so I am not giving up on getting Hall!
We don't need Jones but Hall would be an instant upgrade to a shaky secondary.
"Explain David Kircus"....well from what I understand, he claimed self-defense. Any details would be appreciated. I'd like to think the Fins evaluated the case and decided he checked out......
I know nothing about football. I really like sitting around in my hood discussing really far out things like multiple team trades and crap I know nothing about...stupid red dog, in "your hood". You where that kid that just made crap up in school, just so people would even look at your pathetic face. If your "hood" was so credible, then you would be writing for a newspaper and not blogging on this stupid site. You're an idiot
Johnny Jets Hater
Everyone is an idiot except me. All hail me , and bow to me as I sit and formulate opinions that will influence the world.
I read that the Dolphins and Pats are both interested cause they want to jack the price up so the JETS come in and overpay.
HOW COULD WE NOT RESIGN JESSE CHATMAN, I MEAN FOR GOD'S SAKE HE'S FREAKIN' JESSE CHATMAN!!!
Armando, Chris Nelson makes some good points, it doesn't strengthen your position to take an antagonistic tone with him. You are the professional journalist, obviously Chris is aspiring to be one in this new media field that is developing. Instead of chiding him for attacking your report, help him understand why you wrote what you wrote. Chris seems like a bright, educated, enthusiastic young man, we need more people like Chris to contribute to society in general. Also, Armando, we are religious people, don't throw God into your arguments, it isn't the Christian thing to do. You could have made the same point using different language. In general, though, today's blog has excellent discussion for the most part, I was extremely entertained.
G. Restrepo III
Coral Gables
My sources tell me the Phins are more interested in Cecil Collins than Pacman. You heard it here first.
I hear Pacman will not be reinstated and will become a spiritual adviser to Barack, as part of the Fauxbama campaign.
hey, everyone keep this a secret i'm getting high with ricky right now. also, how does enrique wright fit in the plans this year?
Mr Restrepo: I have been reading your recent posts and wonder how anyone can be so wrong so often.
You say in your most recent post that as a religious person the right thing for me to do is to keep Christianity out of this blog.
No. 1, I do not proslytize or preach on this blog. When someone asks about my faith I answer.
Secondly, if religious people are supposed to keep God out of things, as you say, how do you suppose Christ would have acted his entire life? He wouldn't have said a word his entire life by your ridiculous logic.
I thought it was Jesse freakin' Chatman.
I thought it was Jesse freakin' Chatman.
Parcells talked about Pacman and the chance for Dallas to possibly draft him when he came out of West Virginia. They took him off of there boards for character concerns, so with his proven character issues, why would he fool with him now.
There no reason to believe that his suspension will be lifted any time soon. He has missed mandatory counseling sessions set up by the NFL and had another incident in a strip club 1-2 months ago.
This is probably is agent/lawyer trying to drum up interest to some degree. He needs to worry about getting this kid to do what he needs to do to get reinstated before anything else.
i don't mean to change the topic but I was just looking at the dolphins roster and ian gold is not there but in espn and on his wikipedia page it says he is signed ...how come
HOW COULD WE NOT RESIGN JESSE CHATMAN, I MEAN FOR GOD'S SAKE HE'S JESSE FREAKIN' CHATMAN!!!
For "Johnny Jets Hater"
You are totally right, I am an idiot to talk football with my family/friends. It's fun, you know? You know about fun, right? You sound so happy, hopping on blogs to spew a bunch of crap.....Its a football forum "idiot", and yes we sit around talking shit, having a good time between paying taxes and screwing our wives. If you want to talk fins, go for it, other than that, roast one and chill out.....stress is a killer, wouldn't want that to happen to you.....
Hall is a major turd,He's thrown his coaches,owner,and teamates under the bus.Also he's not really that good and we would have to give him a BIG new contract.F-THAT.At least Pacman was a hell of a player on the field,but a total P.O.S. off the field.Let somebody else deal with these A-HOLES,we don't need em'
To Chris Nelson,
With all due respect....
There is a saying: There are those who professionally report the news and there are others who sit at home on their computers and criticize them.
Likewise: There are those who go out and meet girls and there are others who sit at home on their computers and download internet porn.
SWFLA Fan
So what you're saying is, because Salguero is much older and already a journalist, while I'm 20 and still in college working toward my degree, he is infallible while I'm a brain-dead moron who downloads porn. Sorry, but that's bullshit. You don't have to be a journalist to understand football. I've worked very hard to gain the knowledge I have followed the NFL very closely for years now. I understand how things work, and it's not my fault that this article is suspiciously put-together and misleading.
I was a journalist at 17 writing for film reviews for the local paper and was an entertainment journalist at 20 for about 4 years covering comics, movies, video games, and music. So, because I am still in my 20's, finishing up college, and writing novels, does that make me someone who sits at my computer and doesn't know anything too? Chris has some valid opinions. Though I agree that Armando has made solid points in his article, without direct quotes to support his arguements it does come across as more opinion then fact. If I wrote a paper like that for school, without any references, I would get marked down. However, I still think Armando's writing was quality work. He makes valid points and is probably right that the Dolphins will not go for Pacman Jones unless they get desperate.
After Chris Nelson stops farting on this blogspace and a bunch of anonymous Christians stick up for God I have this to suggest. 1. This is a blog and not Journalism 101. 2. If it was a Buddha perspective would more Asians be interested in football? 3. And most important... Finally, some sparring back and forth between writer and reader!!! We haven't seen some good ole fighting since Cole left for Yahoo. Armando, turn this into a forum and go toe to toe with us. You are definitely up for the job. Then wherever you travel you have guys buying you beers and talking things football, religion, what have you. If you ever come to Thailand I'll buy you a beer. Cheers.
If he can return punts, I think we should offer up a 1st rounder for him.
Armando, overall I agree with the conclusion made your article, but I also have a few issues your logic. First, I dont believe that Parcells saying one thing precludes the exact opposite from happening at a later date, IF he views it to be in the best interests of the team. Obviously, teams will downplay thier level of interest in Pacman, and yes they will use the media to do it. Its a standard bargaining tool and its older than time. Of course the Titans will do the opposite, to boost Pacman's value. The dolphins, I might add, face a similar issue with trying to get rid of their #1 overall pick. My second issue: Ricky Williams. Not a thug by any stretch, and much cheaper than Pacman to boot, but a "problem child" nonetheless. Lastly, is the notion that Parcells would "lose face" bringing in Pacman. Ultimately, players in this league are about winning. And if Pacman, or any other player, is viewed as being able to help make Miami a winner, then all of the "losing face" flies out the window. In fact, I would argue that assuming that the cost was acceptable (4th rd pick, renegotiated contract)Parcells would lose more face by NOT bringing in Pacman, than by sticking to his pie in the sky "good guy" philosophy. In support of this, I offer Randy Moss, another "problem child" whose acquisition by the Pats was viewed as a potential bust by many of your like minded peers. Bottom line is, when you have a chance to bring in superior, game changing talent, its worth the risk to do it. And some generic, introductory statement made many months ago, does little to change that.
Good job, Armando, for shooting down all these naysayers who claim they know a thing or two about journalism - yet don't even have a basic concept of the AP Style Guide.
Chris - whether you believe it or not, Jones is not coming to Miami. Sometimes, as a journalist, one has to do more than just, oh, take everything for what it is and quote everyone you speak to, believing it's the real story.
You have a brain. Use it. Without it, you're a piss-poor journalist.
The last thing journalists need is some know-it-all jackass telling them how to write. What Armando posted was a blog post, not a published piece. There is a difference.
So, shut the hell up.
The only problem with that is I never said Pacman is coming to Miami. I never said it, nor did I ever imply it. I don't believe he is on the Dolphins' radar, and I'd say all of Armando's reasons why are very valid.
The only thing I took issue with was the title of this entry and the way he tried to present it. I feel like this post should be called "Pacman doesn't make sense for Dolphins." I felt like he was trying to convey the idea that he knows, with certainty gained from investigation, that Pacman is NOT on the Dolphins' radar. But when you get to the meat of the post, there is not of that. Just guesses and assumptions based on things that have been said/happened previously.
And you're right - it's a blog and not a published piece, so there is nothing wrong with such an entry for Armando. I just felt like he was trying to convey a validity, a certainty, that he did not back up.
I really wasn't planning on continuing this discussion, but the issue is pretty much dead now. But since there was so much misunderstanding with what I said, I felt the need to clarify. Hopefully that worked.
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