Reasons to watch Calvin Pace's decision
During the 2005 offseason Jason Taylor was watching very closely when new coach Nick Saban added free agent defensive end Vonnie Holliday. Then the coach added free agent defensive end Kevin Carter. Then the coach drafted defensive end Matt Roth in the second round.
At that point Taylor texted several friends wondering, "What are we doing?" because he was concerned about his future with Miami.
Turns out Taylor had nothing to worry about then. But he, along with Joey Porter should be watching over the next couple of days to see if Arizona free agent Calvin Pace decides to take a sizeable deal from the Dolphins.
The Dolphins, you see, already have signed strong side linebacker Reggie Torbor and could add Pace, another strong side linebacker, if he accepts Miami's deal. That will create something of a logjam among Miami front seven players.
And somebody will either have to take a seat on the bench. Or go elsewhere altogether.
If the Dolphins project Pace as a linebacker rather than an undersized defensive end, which is likely, that means they will have him, Taylor, Torbor and Porter competing for two outside linebacker jobs.
If, and this is a huge if, all four go to training camp, it will signal an epic competition. But I am skeptical that all four would go to camp. I simply don't see how the new regime cannot be committed to either Torbor or Pace after having just signed them.
That raises the question how committed they are to either Porter or Taylor. Here's a guess: One of those two guys will not be with Miami in September if Pace signs.
It is no secret the new regime was unimpressed with Porter after studying his play during parts of last season, and Bill Parcells is aware of reports of Porter's disrespect for previous coach Cam Cameron. So the strongest reason to keep Porter if Pace signs is because cutting him would do considerable damage to Miami's cap.
Now teams make cap sacrifices all the time to go in a direction they want to so it is possible the Dolphins will try to trade Porter, which still will have a cap cost, for the sake of having the chemistry they want. We'll see.
Or there is the Taylor option. Trading him is much easier. There are no serious cap ramifications and his worth on the market is likely much higher than Porter's.
And why get rid of him? Draft pick compensation is one reason. But it is no secret the Dolphins new leadership is not thrilled with Taylor's Dancing with the Stars gig. It comes at a time his teammates will be involved in offseason training. Taylor's offseason absence could even extend into a minicamp if he is a good dancer and survives the weekly eliminations.
And the fact Taylor will not be in South Florida, but will be living in Los Angeles during the gig also cannot be going over well. Taylor, understandably, is taking care of his interests because his post-NFL career promises to be a lot longer and just as profitable as his football days. And Dancing is a stepping stone to that career. So his focus is on that now.
But the Dolphins, understandably, want Taylor's focus on football and little more. He's arguably the leader in the locker room and what team wants that kind of example on a young team from its leader?
So it should not surprise if he or Porter is moved -- especially if Calvin Pace signs with the Dolphins.
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At that point Taylor texted several friends wondering, "What are we doing?" because he was concerned about his future with Miami.
Turns out Taylor had nothing to worry about then. But he, along with Joey Porter should be watching over the next couple of days to see if Arizona free agent Calvin Pace decides to take a sizeable deal from the Dolphins.
The Dolphins, you see, already have signed strong side linebacker Reggie Torbor and could add Pace, another strong side linebacker, if he accepts Miami's deal. That will create something of a logjam among Miami front seven players.
And somebody will either have to take a seat on the bench. Or go elsewhere altogether.
If the Dolphins project Pace as a linebacker rather than an undersized defensive end, which is likely, that means they will have him, Taylor, Torbor and Porter competing for two outside linebacker jobs.
If, and this is a huge if, all four go to training camp, it will signal an epic competition. But I am skeptical that all four would go to camp. I simply don't see how the new regime cannot be committed to either Torbor or Pace after having just signed them.
That raises the question how committed they are to either Porter or Taylor. Here's a guess: One of those two guys will not be with Miami in September if Pace signs.
It is no secret the new regime was unimpressed with Porter after studying his play during parts of last season, and Bill Parcells is aware of reports of Porter's disrespect for previous coach Cam Cameron. So the strongest reason to keep Porter if Pace signs is because cutting him would do considerable damage to Miami's cap.
Now teams make cap sacrifices all the time to go in a direction they want to so it is possible the Dolphins will try to trade Porter, which still will have a cap cost, for the sake of having the chemistry they want. We'll see.
Or there is the Taylor option. Trading him is much easier. There are no serious cap ramifications and his worth on the market is likely much higher than Porter's.
And why get rid of him? Draft pick compensation is one reason. But it is no secret the Dolphins new leadership is not thrilled with Taylor's Dancing with the Stars gig. It comes at a time his teammates will be involved in offseason training. Taylor's offseason absence could even extend into a minicamp if he is a good dancer and survives the weekly eliminations.
And the fact Taylor will not be in South Florida, but will be living in Los Angeles during the gig also cannot be going over well. Taylor, understandably, is taking care of his interests because his post-NFL career promises to be a lot longer and just as profitable as his football days. And Dancing is a stepping stone to that career. So his focus is on that now.
But the Dolphins, understandably, want Taylor's focus on football and little more. He's arguably the leader in the locker room and what team wants that kind of example on a young team from its leader?
So it should not surprise if he or Porter is moved -- especially if Calvin Pace signs with the Dolphins.
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Nothing would make me happier than seeing Joey Porter traded, or released from the Dolphins! Will it happen? I don't know, the salary cap casualties are severe (thanks Cam and Randy).
Jason would probably be easier to unload. A lot of teams are more likely to be in the market for a guy who was the 2006 Defensive Player of the Year, versus a loudmouth, overrated, declining, giant douchebag linebacker.
As you can see by the time of this post..I live and sleep Dolphins Football so keep on it Good Job!! and I will say that you are on the money, Pace will not be a DE in our 3-4 not by a long shot the only reason we need him is because of how he played last year after he switched from DE to OLB which was lights out so either Porter or Taylor will not be there come September..but also remember that the Giants showed you can never have to many guys who can get after the QB!!
aphinsfan speaks truth about the Gints, but you need guys chasing the QB from different positions. As Armando points out, you can't have four guys playing outside linebacker.
I tihnk you guys are missing another part of the story. The signing of all of these LBs pretty much assures that Chris Long is NOT the #1 pick. Long is most likely a OLB in a 3-4 scheme. There also appears to be no rush to try and find another OT which the Dolphins don't have. SO it would appear that the phins are probably targeting Long. It could also be Ryan and maybe a tackle with the second pick. But their signings are starting to show what they are looking in the draft.
I have no problem with these signings because if you notice one thing its this: These guys are not old. You ask why not Faneca? Well Faneca is 32 and the Phins are still a few years away. He will not be a pro-bowler when the Dolphins are good and his skills are already declining.
Why sign faneca an old faneca at the rediculous price he is getting when you can sign 2 guys 6-8 years younger. The Dolphins have far too many holes to sign the big ticket player.
Just wondering.. a 3-4 has 2 inside linebackers and we only have 1 at this point (Channing Crowder).. why not move Torbor or Porter inside?
That way it would look like..
OLB - Calvin Pace
ILB - Channing Crowder
ILB - Joey Porter/Reggie Torbor
OLB - Chris Long
If Pace signs he will be making too much money to sit the bench.. Crowder is up and coming. Porter is over-rated but makes to much money to sit the bench or be cut. And Long with the #1 pick would be making too much money to sit. Which would leave Torbor on the bench and trading Jason Taylor or keeping him at DE.
Porter is not suited to play ILB and it is presumed that Charlie Anderson will play ILB. So Right now it would look like this
OLB - Pace/Taylor
ILB - Anderson
ILB - Crowder
OLB - Torber/Porter
I have a hard time believing the Dolphins will select Chris Long. You don't sign 3 LBs and then spend your 1st overall pick on a LB. I see nothing about the phins seriously looking at Tackles so i'm gonna assume its Jake Long.
I looked at Porter and Taylors contracts and well it could make some sense... Taylor counts 10 mill against the cap. Cutting Porter probably costs about 9 million (He has an 8 million of his 20 million guaranteed is a roster bonus this year.. I don't see him getting that). So trading Taylor and cutting Porter probably washes out the cap hit.
HMM John 123 good post you are one of the very few! Question though you say Porter does not fit inside . If I remember correctly the steelers have used him inside. Not that I think it makes sense to pay 20 mill to an ILB, but ... Your idea though makes sense if they trade jason and then cut Porter, they will still come out ahead because taylor's contract is bigger and they will gain a pick looks like a second or a one if we are lucky?
OLB-Taylor
ILB-Torbor
ILB-Crowder
OLB-Pace
= no chris long. draft mc "igotslotsobabies" #1, trade him for Barber and Dallas' 1st and 2nd round picks, trade ronnie brown and our new first round pick to atlanta for #3 and take the best avalible player at #3
ummmm newsflash guys! Porter is getting cut if they sign Pace LOL. Are you guys kidding me. He is due a huge bnus....sweet moses's beard. But they want to protect themselves and have Pace on board first.
I concur it looks like Porter will be the odd man out..and that we will be taking J. Long with the first overall pick (if) we done have a suitor for a trade...
hey idiot that said we should draft mcfadden then trade brown. This is the worst idea ever. Ronnie Brown will be here next year running the ball for parcells. That is fricken ridiculous to trade that far down in the draft where there is a complete talent dropoff. i think that swapping with atlanta for deangelo hall and their pick. not saying that i like halls attitude but id rather take my chances, get a shutdown corner which geeze i cant remember the last time we had one.......oh yeah we traded our best one when he was in his prime for a 2nd round pick. im just saying that why get barber a position we already have when we can take a chance and fill a need with Hall. the worst that is gonna happen is we will cut him like we are going to do to Joey Porter. I also support the drafting of Jake Long at #3 if we trade to that pick providing that St. Louis doesnt take him. But if Long is there when St louis picks which he will be because if atlanta trades up, they take Ryan or Mcfadden no questions asked then that leaves the longs as a choice for the rams, if they take jake long then we trade to dallas if mcfadden is still on the board and take a later offensive lineman. just a thought. lemme know what you think. Get back at me Rossthorne@gmail.com
When is the bonus payment due for Porter?
I agree they will cut his bullet butt in a second. If the bonus is due far enough in the future there is a market for his services. I'm assuming the cap implications would be the same for a release or trade.
Remember that Porter didn't help Cameron's cause at all. Parcells sees those things and realizes that Sparano could be put in that same position.
With the kind of money being thrown around I'm sure another team would want to keep the Porter contract. This is pure speculation but from afar a Porter for Lito Sheppard deal seems somewhat fair.
WAKE UP JOURNALISTS, ITS THE SECOND DAY OF FREE AGENCY AND WE'RE READING ABOUT YESTERDAY. YOUR INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISTS, I WANT TO READ ABOUT THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN TODAY. IF YOUR WRONG YOUR WRONG BUT DON'T GET ON THE TEAM FOR BEING OF DIFFERENT OPINION.
Good Morning,
Ryan Sproviero
ryansproviero@yahoo.com
With the majority of the picks going to the D and the interest in Paceand the signing of McCown... does this mean they are more interested in Jake Long for the draft?
Pace hasn't signed yet... and the NFL Network is slurping the idea of lining up JT, Starks, Ferguson and Chris Long and us running a 4-3. I don't see that happening though. I think we're becoming a 3-4. Also, I think it's funny how people blame the prior regime for the Joey Porter cap hit we'd have to take, but don't give them credit for helping to create our $40 mil in cap space. Our new mgmt is benefiting largely from the financial position left to them, not one they created. And most of you Cam haters will defend Ginn and Beck and want them to have a shot. If we had drafted Trent Edwards, you'd be backing him. My point is, the past mgmt is in the past - let it go.
to dave in ohio. i believe that the pick of jake long couldnt have become more evident on the first day. i could be wrong and the fins could draft matt ryan, but i just dont see it happeneing. not when you have josh mccown and beck to compete for the job, not saying they are the answer but i see those two competing for the starting job. the jake long pick over chris long pick seems better. but why draft him #1 overall when you coud possibly snag him at #3 in a trade with atlanta for hall in exchange for our #1 pick. that then gives atlanta some options. they could definetly use a star caliber runningback or on the other hand they NEED a franchise quarterback. and they may not need to trade up if it is possible that miami could draft him and dangle him over the falcons. but i do believe that there is still a small chance the pick could be traded way down for the two dallas picks and possibly a player and ill tell you, marion barber would be an ok choice but he doesnt have the versatility that ronnie brown and i think that ronnie brown is going to be able to put up LT like numbers when hes at his best which he very much showed flashes of last year. thats all i got. thanks and get back at me. Rossthorne@gmail.com
Joey is not getting cut ......If he gets cut, his bonus and salary still hits our cap so let that one go.... l would love if we trade our first for Atlanta's first and hall, but I don't think atlanta is going to do that. jay might go, i would hate for it to happen but if we get a second and let's say a fourth... I'll take that...
With ferguson being pick up it also lets me believe that we are not going to drafting glenn.
o-line is they way to go... so trade the top pick and pick up a couple of good o-linemen and built from within.
we need a wide-receiver .... I would love moss......It would a punch in the mouth to NE........
3-4 Scheme:
DE- Long
DT- Starks/Ferg
DE- Taylor
OLB- Pace
ILB- Crowder
ILB- Torbor
OLB- Porter
4-3 Scheme:
DE-Long/Pace
DT-Starks/Long
DT-Ferg/Starks
DE-Taylor
WLB-Pace/Torbor
MLB-Crowder
SLB-Porter
If you remember Torbor and Pace both played WLB. You could play the hybrid 4-3 3-4 with these same guys. Dispute?
Marion Barber isn't going anywhere. Jones wants to line someone up with him and he obviously wants McFadden. I just don't see it going down unless a third team comes into play. That said lets look at the options for a third team in addition to Dallas.
No.2-Rams I think they'd be happy with either of the Longs so they are out.
No.3-Falcons If this goes down it means Dallas is going to No.1 for McFadden and I'm assumming one of the Longs would be the pick here with how the Falcons are rebuilding. This is a good spot for them and they know it.
No.4-Raiders Good luck getting something done with Al Davis.
No.5-Chiefs Ditto for Carl Peterson.
No.6-Jets Tanenbaum is tight with Parcells and Ireland so this isn't as bad a relationship as you would think. At least they have a common interest, beat the Patriots. I don't think the Jets want to move out of the top ten anyway.
No. 7-Patriots Now we come to the spot farthest down that I think we can get one of the top guys and maximize on picks. I think the Pats would be happy to move back. Scott Pioli is Parcells son-in-law so this also is a situation that is far better than you would expect. At least they too have a common goal, beat the Jets.
We can work with the Jets and Pats but they won't work with each other. I think this is an advantage in our little triangle.
So I think the best shot of moving back would be a Fins/Pats/Boys trade going down like this.
Dallas gets 1#1
Miami gets 1#7, 1#28, Dallas 09 #1, Dallas 08 3rd round, Dallas 08 4th round, Dallas 09 4th round
Pats get 1#22, Dallas 08 2nd round, Dallas 09 3rd round
Obviously you can move some stuff around here with players or picks but ultimately I think its reasonable for all parties involved.
I hate SF media,
Ryan Sproviero
ryansproviero@yahoo.com
Who says any of this new signings will even make the team? They have to earn a roster spot in camp don't they? The #1 pick is still up in the air...
I'm sorry guys, but we are drafting chris long. End of story
But it would be EXTREMELY dissapointing if pace doesnt sign with us... I wish i wouldnt have even heard about it until it happened. But hey im a dolphins fan, im used to dissapointment
I'm thinking Pace will ultimately end up signing with the Fins later today. With that being said, my guess is Jason Taylor will be traded...I could see a poss. trade with Atlanta for Hall, and their No. 1. Someone will give their 2nd rounder for Taylor. The O-Line will be addressed in the 2nd and 3rd rounds....I think a big time play for Berrian or Stallworth is a must...soon!! However, the draft will be interesting
Chase, Chase, Chase, dont you understand and see what the dolphins are doing? To me it looks like the Fins are hitting the defense hard in free agency right now and i dont see Chris Long as a need, im not ruling it out but im saying its very unlikely. We are either taking Matt Ryan, Jake Long or trading down. END OF STORY! Friday we signed Randy Starks, Reggie Torbor and are working on Calvin pace. Oh yea we also traded for Jason Ferguson. So we wont draft a D-Lineman. Now we have a few starting caliber linebackers if we get pace. Taylor, Porter, Crowder, Torber, Pace, and we also signed another linebacker too. Sorry man i just dont see Chris Long landing in Miami bro. Peace. Any comments for me just email me at Rossthorne@gmail.com
KEEP TAYLOR AND PORTER. GET A QUARTERBACK(RYAN). FIN FAN MIKE
YO IDIOT WE DONT NEED A QB #1 OVERALL. WAIT AND GET CHAD HENNE IF YOU DONT BELIEVE IN THE FINS.
jason aint going anywhere
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Thank you Armando for being the only columnist in South Florida to point out that Porter or Taylor are on the way out and explaining it pretty clearly. Good job, bro.
Now that you have solved the front seven problems, what about the CB and Safety issues???
"FLPD said...
Thank you Armando for being the only columnist in South Florida to point out that Porter or Taylor are on the way out and explaining it pretty clearly. Good job, bro." -
And thank you FLPD for being the biggest knob-polisher on the blog!
You're a big talker anonymous a-hole. You're nothing but but phlem, posting on here anonymously and ripping people. You would crap your pants if you ever had to speak in person to the people you rip here anonymously.
"but but" - FLPD
I thought so!
You thinking so would be the first thought you ever had. Bring it on punk. I crap idiots like you in the morning.
The Tuna is a smart man. He should put you on his payroll.
"You thinking so would be the first thought..." - FLPD
??? Another product of the public education system?
Let's see what we have from FLPD so far.
"...a-hole."
"...crap your pants..."
"I crap idiots..."
They have sites that cater to those kinds of fetishes.
What are your other interests? I'm sure all the ladies out there are just dying to know.
I just saw Pace signed with the phins.
Matt Ryan sucks.
FLPD is really Dave Wandstedt and Rick Speilman sitting in a basement in PA playing Madden franchise mode. Dave has been dominated as of late and switched over to NCAA 08 and Rick just ran the Fins in the red for the third year in a row and has now been reasigned to the Vikings. Mrs. Wandstedt is bringing down some cocktail franks and birch beer in a bit...
Hey Fellas I have learned one thing throughout this crazy first two days of Free Agency if PFT doesnt post it..it is not true..so please tell us where u saw that Pace signed with the Fins we are all dying to know???..if it is true everyone should know that J. Long is the pick or we are trading down...oh and by the way...I just read that we might send JT to the Packers for a 2nd and 4th Rd. picks..
Where did you read about Taylor to the Packers, aphins
ProFootballTalk.Com
Hands down that has got to be the best Football website on the planet I check it every 20min..and all jokes aside there is new news every time I visit the site....
Look its simple! Parcels WILL GET IT DONE! But this is what I think will happen! We will sign Pace. I hope! Then...... We will trade Jason Taylor Dallas for #1 and #2 draft picks this year! Then I would trade joey porter for a #2 draft pick to any taker! I would even take a # 3 and # 5! I then trade Atlanta my #1 pick for Deangalo Hall and the # 3 and there 2nd roun pick
Looks like Pace might end up signing with the Jets tonight. Hopefully his one good season was just a fluke.
Dallas is going to give a 1 and 2 for Jason Taylor? You're out of your mind. And who is going to give up a 2 (or a 3 and a 5) for Joey Porter, on top of having to pay him absurd money? This isn't some fantasy league you play in the basement of your mommy's house. This is real. Joey Porter is a big name player just because of his antics, on and off the field. He's not a big name player who is worth draft picks and mega millions.
For up-to the minute info on free agency fellas,
go to nfl.com and check out the free agent tracker.
Calvin Pace is visiting with the jets this weekend...
Keep fingers crossed!!!
The browns are completely revamping their defense. If we can, why not try to trade Porter to them for a 6th? We'll take a cap hit, but not as big as if we cut him plus we at least get something for him. Obviously we dont know if they'd be interested in him since it's obvious he's pretty much done. There's a chance they will be interested because they can compete next year. I'd like to see us trade for Matt Jones too. He's underachieved, but has tremendous potential and the Jags are really down on him. And to keep up with the trend please sign Bryant Johnson.
If we get Pace, it will then be time to focus on the O line and that points to Jake Long.
Some of the complicated trades you guys dream up are out there! But I appreciate the creative thinking.
PFT says B. Johnson is headed to the Bills. Our division is on fire in the first two days! Well...aside from the Patsies...who always sign guys late. The Bills and Jets are making a splash too...sucks.
God I hope we get Pace and don't have to face him on the Jets.
To the guys above arguing over Jake vs. Chris vs. Ryan vs. McFadden. That kind of arguing is exactly what Parcels wants. He doesn't want us to have any "glaring" needs so he can lead other potential trade suitors to believe what he wants.
In the end we'll do one of two things...trade down, or draft Jake Long. Chris is nice, but a tweener. I'd be more willing to be we'd draft Gholston before C. Long. Ryan...please...no way Tuna takes him #1. He's no D. Bledsoe. This year's crop is level, and there's not enough difference in the top 4-6 QB's. He'll take someone later and see if Beck will sink or swim.
I don't "THINK" JT is going anywhere...but since the were kind enough to have released Zach early so he could sign anywhere...I would not be surprise to see them send JT to a true contender in the NFC. I would believe the Pack rumor has some merit.
However...here's my hope on the front 7:
Holliday / R. Wright
Ferguson / Soliai
Starks / Q. Moses
JT / Joey Porter
Crowder / D. Spragan
Torber / K. Smith
Pace / A. Wright
Don't forget we're talking to Charlie Anderson AND we have Abraham Wright! If we sign Pace AND Anderson...then the rumor about JT is probably dead on.
we signed c.anderson...goodbye JT and hello JAKE long
PBPost is reporting:
UPDATED: To make a huge day even huger, SI.com is reporting the Dolphins have reached an agreement with pass-rush specialist Calvin Pace of the Cardinals.)
We have not signed Pace yet...that was from yesterday
jinva..where you seein that??
I like Pace and the Jets signing Faneca means they won't be signing him. to Jinva, I alos like Abraham Wright, but Donnie Spragan will not be coming back. And why not keep Jason Taylor as our full time end? We can use him there and occasionally switch in Quentin Moses who will also be switching in with Rod Wright and Matt Roth. Even though all indications point towards us using the 3-4, I think if we do indeed bring in Pace, then we should use the 4-3 with JT Vonnie Holliday/Ferguson Starks/Wright at DT and the roatation at the other end i mentioned earlier and then Channing Crowder at the mike position Calvin Pace on the strong side and I guess Joey Porter on the weak side, even though I wouldn't mind seeing him go. Jake Long as our pick seems logical to me and then perhaps Antoine Cason with the 32nd.
Robert...it's on the front page of SI.com!!!
By Bucky Brooks, SI.com
According to a league source, the Dolphins have agreed to terms with free agent defensive end Calvin Pace.
The fifth-year pro is coming off his best season after recording 98 tackles, including 6 1/2 sacks. The financial terms haven't been disclosed but is believed to include over $20 million in guaranteed money.
Pace's signing leaves Joey Porter's status with the team in limbo after being the team's marquee signing a season ago.
Every signing is now confirmed by MiamiDolphins.com accept Pace...still watching...
the pace signing was last updated last night. look at the time and date . he has not signed yet
POSTED 2:35 p.m. EST, March 1, 2008
NO DEAL FOR PACE, YET
On Friday, there were conflicting reports as to whether free-agent 'tweener Calvin Pace had agreed to terms with the Dolphins. The Miami Herald said he hadn't, and Bucky Brooks of SI.com reported that he had.
Per Darren Urban of the Cardinals' official web site, Pace has not struck a deal.
"I got a text from Calvin Pace this morning saying he has not agreed to any contract yet," reports Urban. "So that would mean the SI.com report that he is a Dolphin is premature. It doesn't mean he won't end up in Miami, but again, nothing is final. Just thought I would throw that update out there, after all the confusion of Friday night. Pace is supposed to visit the Jets today."
Yeah that was posted yesterday. It was posted later that he was going to NY to visit with the Jets. He was said that he felt at home in Miami but would also like to take the NY trip. Miami has not signed him, yet.
Also, lets trade Porter. Pick up Lito. Then pick up Quinn from the Browns. They do not have a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round draft picks. Miami has a lot. The Browns are not having a competition for the starting job, thats from the mouth of GM Savage. Get Quinn, Moss, and Lito. Draft some OL, and call it a great offseason.
Hey...I have a thought for everyone.
Why not go after Larry Fitzgerald?
He would be an INCREDIBLE addition to our WR's! We'd have Mr. RAC in Fitz, Mr. RedZone in Wilford, and Mr. DEEP in Ginn. And of course Mr. Drop in Hagan...lol
Geezus dude...give the Quinn crap a rest. He's not going anywhere. The Browns are SOLD Anderson is the real deal, and not just a flash in the pan. Quinn grew up a Browns fan...he ain't leavin'. Enough with the Man Crush dude.
*Not SOLD...wups...
Which is why it took so long to get a LTD done with him.
If he falters...Quinn will be handed the keys.
Not saying we should get Quinn, but are you trying to say that youre happy with McCown and Beck and wouldnt bother picking up or trying to pick up another QB? Theres no point in getting high priced WRs if there isnt anyone who can throw to him.
"Man crush"...good one
Oh...and Moss would never come to Miami. He's had his taste of the SB, and he'd only play for a true contender now.
Patsies, Dallas, G. Bay, Eagles, Seahawks, Colts, Jags, and Giants. Anyone outside that...he'd never even give them a thought.
Sure another QB would be smart...but not another unproven one unless it is from the draft...which is what I think their plan is. I think 3rd-4th round we'll take one. Maybe sooner if someone falls like Flacco or Henne. No way we trade what the Browns would want for Quinn. It just doen't make sense.
In all honesty...at this point in the Phins history...if we make a block buster for a stud like Moss...I'd rather it be one of two things...someone young enough to be around for a whilte...like Fitzgerald...or someone who can come in and teach Ginn the finer points of the position...like Marvin Harrison.
Also...what about R. Colvin? The guy is a perfect fit for a 3-4? As long as we're stock piling LB's. ;-)
Oh My !!! the suspense is killin me...I keep checkin PFT and nothing about Pace yet...I will let you guys know when it comes up on the page...
I wouldnt mind seeing L. Fitzgerald come to Miami. I'd like to see Miami trade Porter, pick up a mid round pick or two. Since Miami seems to be stock piling LBs. He's a disease in the locker room and not to mention sucks.
Bye-Bye, Jason is Gone!
why would Jason be leaving?
Hey JinVA,
Fitzgerald is a very good receiver... being paid $16 mil in '08 and $19 mil in '09. We won't be spending that much $$ on him. Nothing wrong w/ wishful thinking. And nobody would give us much for Porter. If we got a 5th round pick for him, I'd take it.
i dont know why we arent trying to get a player like larry fitgerald if we are giving away jason taylor. The cardinals run a 3-4, im sure theyd be somewhat interested in taylor
Good luck to JT, wish him the best.
Jason Cole of Yahoo Sports is reporting that a split between JT and the 'Fins is coming. When? That's not known yet, but JT's Dancing w/ the Stars gig isn't helping any trade.
JT is going to Green Bay for a first round pick.
Miami will only get a 2nd and 4th from GB for Taylor.
I wonder what is taking Pace so long to sign.. maybe the trade talks about Taylor and the apparent negotiations with Darryl Blackstock is making him hesitate a little bit? Idk they said the deal is getting done tonight if it is going to happen..
Anyone heard anything about Michael Turner or Javon Walker.. i heard Walker scheduled a visit and Turner was close to signing with Miami..
I disagree. I think the Fins will keep Taylpr no matter how many LB's they sign. Putting pressure on the QB is so critical and Taylor is still one of the best pass rushing DE's in the league.
He only has played backer for the last few years, his first ten years were all at DE. And BTW he WAS the defensive player of the year just one year ago. How soon we forget.
Hey Chase...I was more referring to handling trading for Larry Fitzgerald the way most teams do when they trade for a guy with a bloated contract who's a young stud...give him a big fat signing bonus and restructure him so you can keep him for years.
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RUMOR MILL: Bears linebacker unexpectedly stays put . . . Miami defensive end could be moving on
Would it be completely crazy if Miami actually traded Jason Taylor? And for what? players? picks? Whos to say that he wouldnt just retire? He apparently has a very good Hollywood career ahead of him and sports analyst.
I dunno man, trading JT may be too much... but maybe its time to start all over... if we get a 2nd rounder i´d be happy.
As for the draft, my ideal would be:
Trade 1st pick with atlanta for 1st and 2nd or 3rd and get jake long. Make them think we are going to get what they want and then go with jake...and get more picks!
Surprise, surprise... JT's dancing exploits don't sit well with Parcells and Porter's mouth has finally caught up to him.
Jason Taylor will be traded as soon as the proper deal is found and that may not happen until draft day. If Porter's bonus money is a roster bonus than he will be gone, but I think they will cut him in the end if they can't make a deal.
I don't think it's too far fetched for the Dolphins to make a trade for Brady Quinn with the 32nd pick. Remember he came from Weiss who is a Parcells guy and look at what happened to Notre Dame after Quinn left. I think the decline really showed how good Quinn is. Also it would be a real kick in Mueller's ass that Parcells might not be able to resist.
It does look more and more like Jake Long will be the Dolphins pick if they cannot trade out of the first spot. A lot will depend on what team Parcells thinks of John Beck. We may be able to get a feel for that by how much attention Parcells and the boys spend at Matt Ryan's pro day.
Forget about teams coveting McFadden, he's going to drop like a rock. Too many off field issues to risk $35 million on. The only real trade bait I see is Ryan so we must hope does well at his pro day.
Patrick...normally your posts are pretty good, and I was with you on this one until the Quinn BS.
Why can't some of you get over that? You've been hangin' out with Ricky too long if you really think that is even a remote possibilty.
The Browns traded a higher pick than 32 to get him for starters...try TWO pics. Second...the Browns aren't convinced Anderson is the real deal...or they would have started him over Frye to begin with, and they would have signed him immediately.
Parcells may draft a QB...but he's sure as heck not trading for an unproven one who wasn't rated much better than then one we already have!
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I say we trade Jason Taylor to the Eagles for Lito Sheppard and a 3rd round pick. Get something for J.T. while we still can.
Ive read a lot of your posts jinva, and it seems you have a serious problem with Quinn. Did he steal your girlfriend or something? They do believe hes a starting caliber QB...Savage said hes their starting QB, there is no QB competition. Hes their guy. Period. Doesnt mean they will let Quinn go, but it also doesnt mean they wouldnt entertain the idea of trading him, especially since they are building a crazy good defense in Cleveland and the last I checked we have a couple defensive players they could be on their way out(Porter, Taylor).
Look, if we plan on playing the 3-4, were going to need a lot of linebackers to substitute in and out. Getting a guy like Chris Long, who would be a defense of leader from day one, would be a great pickup for us. This draft is deep with OT and CB. We pick up the DE/OLB who will be a franchise player for the next 10 years, and then get a starting LT and CB with our 2nd round picks.
ESPN News is reporting JT is out before the draft. You move JT and get good value back and I have no problem. Forget Chris Long, Vernon Gholston is hands down the better long term option.
I'm telling you we're trading back and Parcells will take the best offer and not go by that stupid trade chart.
Any word on Pace?
If I'm the Fins I'm calling the Bengals about Ocho Cinco. I'm not sure if we would have to add to the package but if Cincy is looking for talent in return for him its not going to get much better. It seems like Rosenhaus got him to shut up which usually means something is up. You don't run your mouth like he did and end up sticking around.
He did say for Parcells to call him.
Ryan Sproviero
ryansproviero@yahoo.com
Chad Johnson is garbage. Stay away from Ocho Stinko
lol...funny...no...When I was in college Quinn was riding a big wheel.
I'm tired of guys with man crushes smokin' the pipe dream that he'll be a Dolphin. You're all not over last year, and sadly...that has translated, for most, into a hate for Ted Ginn. So that is what truly gets under my saddle. Ginn's been the guy out there busting his butt for our team, and guys continue to whine about Quinn/Ginn.
It was ok in the beginning to express frustration since they didn't get what THEY wanted...but now most of us are tired of hearing about it. We can't go a single thread with out some moron injecting the BQ BS.
Ive heard nothing about Ginn. Good or bad. I think everyones made their peace with Ginn. Even though he still hasnt done much but sign big endorsement deals with Lebron. Then again same can be said about Quinn. I dont think people have a "man crush" on him, I think people just see him as a trade possibility. Hes young, has talent and now needs a team that will let him prove it. Miami just happens to be a team with QB issues. If there was another backup QB out there that was worth talking about, Im sure people would be blogging about that.
Quinn is not an option. He isn't available. Short of sending a package of high picks which we won't do. Keep dreaming, or drinking, or both.
I've turned my attention to Joe Flacco. We'll see, maybe McClown wakes up or maybe Beck is the answer. All I know is Pace isn't signed which is a problem.
Ginn will prove to be a solid player for this team.
Ryan Sproviero
ryansproviero@yahoo.com
You all crazy, Matt Ryan is the pick at #1.
To all: Forget Brady Quinn. We signed McCown so he can step in for Beck if needed. Brady Quinn had more commercials than pass attempts and he's better at bench pressing than passing. Forget Matt Ryan. It's clear that they want to give Beck a chance. They may draft a QB at some point, but it won't be in the 1st round.
ESPN news is showing that Parcells told Chris Mortensen that Jason Taylor will play for the 'Fins next year unless he retires. My first thoughts - Parcells used Mortensen during his decision making process to join the Falcons vs Dolphins. If you remember, he basically told Mortensen that a deal w/ ATL was going to happen and he didn't see anything getting in the way. He basically wanted to put pressure on the 'Fins to up the ante and bring him to town. I'd imagine this latest statement to Mortensen is along the same type of thinking: He wants other execs to believe that we want him and they'll have to make a strong offer to get him.
I watched Flacco at the combine and he sure looked good....if we could get him in 3rd round...he'd be a steal...
You SUCK Armando! So far this FA period you have broke no NEWS! I grow tired of your lack of production. How are you even keeping your job? Boss have low self esteem?
You have an inability to "Break" stories, I am guessing it is lack of effort. Better step it up slacker.
So far the thephinsider is on top of things. I don't even need to check with you, no reason.
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