Deck the (DeAngelo) Hall for the Raiders
If you guys participated in last Monday's live blog, you got the idea this was coming down the pike but ESPN's Chris Mortensen is reporting DeAngelo Hall is apparently bound for Oakland.
The Raiders reportedly will give up a second-round pick for Hall and then sign him to a lucrative contract that could equal or surpass the deal Asante Samuel signed with Philadelphia.
The Dolphins? They're going with Will Allen and a re-signed Michael Lehan. Happy about that considering Miami could have gotten Hall because their (own) No. 2 is higher than anyone else's including Oakland's? Remember Miami has two No. 2s.
Anyway, it's just a question. And I don't want to hear how Hall is a bad character guy because he is not.
Finally, since I know it torques some folks when I tell you I told you so, I'm going to tell you I told you so because getting a rise out of you delights me.
This is what I said on here March 10 when someone asked for a Hall trade update in the live blogging session: "Mr. Anonymous, I am told the teams most interested in DeAngelo Hall now are Washington and Oakland. I wish the Dolphins were more involved but they apparently are not."
Almost forgot: Since I have noticed it also bugs some of you when I pimp my radio show on here, here goes: I'll be on the air today from noon to 2 p.m. on 790 The Ticket and 790theticket.com. Join me there.
The Raiders reportedly will give up a second-round pick for Hall and then sign him to a lucrative contract that could equal or surpass the deal Asante Samuel signed with Philadelphia.
The Dolphins? They're going with Will Allen and a re-signed Michael Lehan. Happy about that considering Miami could have gotten Hall because their (own) No. 2 is higher than anyone else's including Oakland's? Remember Miami has two No. 2s.
Anyway, it's just a question. And I don't want to hear how Hall is a bad character guy because he is not.
Finally, since I know it torques some folks when I tell you I told you so, I'm going to tell you I told you so because getting a rise out of you delights me.
This is what I said on here March 10 when someone asked for a Hall trade update in the live blogging session: "Mr. Anonymous, I am told the teams most interested in DeAngelo Hall now are Washington and Oakland. I wish the Dolphins were more involved but they apparently are not."
Almost forgot: Since I have noticed it also bugs some of you when I pimp my radio show on here, here goes: I'll be on the air today from noon to 2 p.m. on 790 The Ticket and 790theticket.com. Join me there.
posted by Armando Salguero at 9:16 AM
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This article contained only one simple sentence of info, Deangelo Hall goes to the Raiders. Talk about stretching for print.
Armando, I was part of the live blog Monday and my eyebrows raised when you mentioned Washington and Oakland. Great call.
Too bad we didn't make the attempt. I cannot understand why we act like we want to keep jason taylor but have no interest in deangelo hall? One or the other is a mistake.
Mando how likely is it Miami lets time expire and takes someone at #2?
Armando,
I can't believe the Raiders would trade their 2nd round pick and then give Hall the same contract as Samuel. If that is the case then I am ecstatic that the Dolphins resisted. They should not trade draftpicks unless they get a draft pick in return (i.e, swap positions in a round). Hall will prove he is not worth the money and I think it is a dumb move by the Raiders.
eff Deangelo Hall. the fins can/should draft a cb with 1 of their 2nd round picks. eff meangelo hall - seriously. eff him. And 'Mando, hall is a piece of crap and isn't a TEAM player.
we'll draft a cb this year. Hall would have been good but for a second round pick?
Look everyone, Bill Parcells "was not" going to pay DeAngelo Hall $60 million for a 4 year contract. Mr.Parcells is not an idiot. The Dolphins might take a look at Lito Shepard, I think they can get him for a CHEAPER draft pick and pay him alot LESS money and still end up with a good corner. I believe he is only 26 yrs old. The only problem with Lito is, he has more time in the trainers room than on the field ( always hurt ). comments ???
Mando...you're the best
Ok'Mando, what do u want a dog bisquit? You overheard the same stuff that we all heard, you didn't have any info otherwise. I do enjoy your blogs, but chill out when it comes to tooting your own horn!
don't know much about hall....hear he has lots of talent but gets burned sometimes on his gambles......that 2nd rounder might be very important to us if we need to get our left tackle.
MANDO!! THE FINS WERE NEVER INTERESTED IN HALL FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THEY WERE NOT GOING TO PAY HIM CLOSE TO 80 MILLION DOLLARS IN A CONTRACT. PLUS IN FOOTBAL YOU DONT NEED TO HAVE A GREAT SECONDARY TO WIN GAMES, YOU NEED TO PASSS RUSHERS (AKA) GIANTS AND THE SECONDARY WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF.
YOU WOULD AGREE THAT THE GIANTS, A SO-SO SECONDARY AT BEST LAST YEAR, BUT THEY CAN PASS THE RUSHER. MANDO YOU LOVE THE BIG NAMES, THAT DOES NOT WIN YOU CHAMPIONSHIPS. THE FINS NEED GUYS THAT FIT THEIR SYSTEM. DONT D. hAL JUST CAUSE YOU KNOW HIM!
Mando, you are one of those fans, that hate the word "Rebuilding" when it comes to the fins. You want all these so-called big names, a give then a boat load of money, the fins are a 3 to 4 years project, get that threw your head mando. Down the road they will get those type of players, to get thm over the hump.
Armando, you are nuts. The Dolphins need a lot of players. Wasting all your cap space on one player is what caused the Dolphins to get in the position they're in now. Get a real job and forget about becoming GM of a NFL team. You'll never survive.
Are you really that big of a morn Mando? Wait...dont answer that. We already know the answer to that.
Parcells is REBUILDING and when your REBUILD, you dont waste most of your money on one guy. If we were a couple of pieces away, then sure, get him, but we are far from that.
Does anyone else see the REAL potential in this trade?? The falcons get an additional 2nd... They can now offer both their 2nd's and swap with the Dolphins for the #1 pick and get Ryan, Dolphins Move to # 3 and get whichever Long is still available. Thats our original #32, PLUS #33,#37,and that still leaves us with our additional 2nd round we picked up in the Chris Chambers trade...4 second round picks is pretty enticing plus it moves us from paying that stupid amount for the #1 pick...
they will make a deal with philly for sheppard. who is a better corner anway
Armando,
I'm ok with the Fins passing on Hall. You say to "trust you, he's not a bad guy".
Well, I don't know him, and he might not be a bad guy, and OK, I can give him a pass for yelling at that Saban-esque hustler of a coach he had in Petrino.
However- and I watched him several times a year due to my proximity with the Carolina Panthers- he is mentally weak, and he lashes back with stupidity. I can't tell you how many times Steve Smith got into his head, and time after time, Hall got burned. Same with some other receivers on other teams. He does not respond well to getting beaten, and one bad play often snowballs into really rotten games.
I'm glad the Dolphins took a "Hall-pass" on this one.
Matt in NC
Good call. He is the type of guy that you would sign if you were a couple of players away from a championship. Too expensive for a rebuilding team. To see him on the team with a million dollar contract would be great. But at that price he isn't worth it.
Why isn't anyone talking about the fact the Dolphins essentially hold two first round picks? #1 overall and #32 overall. Thank you patriots.
Happy we passed ´cause:
- questionable character - no matter what you might say
- way too much money involved for a solid but not spectacular player who gets fooled and burned by any WR capable of performing a double move
- we can pick up a young CB with one of our 2nd round picks who will be a lot cheaper and maybe just as good
- we finally didn´t trade away a 2nd round pick - HALLELUJA!!!!!!!
To Anonymous post @ 12:49pm
If that were to happen it would be a great scenario for the Fins.
oscar_g
The 12:49 post made a great observation. The minute I heard that the Falcons got 2nd rd pick for him - visions of sugar plumbs were dancing in my head. Even if we get to switch positions with the Falcons and get 1 of there two 2nd rd picks for trading, were are still ahead of the game, and got an extra 2nd rd pick to boot- I LIKE IT !! I think the Falcons might go for it and we still get our man. One of the longs.
"Anyway, it's just a question. And I don't want to hear how Hall is a bad character guy because he is not."
Dude, he commited 3 personal fouls against Steve Smith in the final drive of last year's game against the Panthers, which cost his team the game. Then he went on to cuss his coach out (I don't care if the team liked him or not) in front of everyone on the sidelines, at home, on national television. Keep in mind, this was after he personally cost his team the game. Also, against the bucs last year when they were down 28-0, he was on the field dancing while his team mates were huddled up. He's not Pac Man Jones, but he sure as hell ain't Warrick Dunn either. I think in Parcells eye's he falls very close to his 'Thugs and Hudlems' catagorie and that's why he's not here. Anyway, I think everyone could agree he's not the ideal guy you want on a young team rebuilding. At least have the grapefruits to admit that. And why is it that you take such joy in doing stuff that you know annoys most people on here? Were you totally screwed with throughout you child hood days in school and now you just wanna play catch up? Here's your Pull-ups Mando, come back when you're all grown up
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I guess all you experts who say you shouldn't "waste" cap space on one player will be angry when the Dolphins draft an unproven rookie with the first overall pick and give him $32 million guaranteed and between $55-$60 overall, right?
That shows how ridiculous your argument is. When you are rebuilding, you buy young, hopefully outstanding players, through the draft but also in free agency. Sometimes you get them cheap. Sometimes not.
Hall, 24 years old, is both young and proven. Geez.
But Armando,
He is a proven commodity, and he is a proven JERK. Why throw good money away on a proven tainted talent?
Your comment regarding the millions to the rookie draft class is indeed true, as it sucks.
The difference is, that is the way the system is currently set up. Sniffing Hall's tires and walking away is just good sense. And cents.
Matt in NC
I want whatever the RAIDERS are smoking. Do they have any cap space left to sign that top 5 pick?
by The idea that was brought up anon at 12:49 sounds great and a saw a couple of posts on it. There's one problem though......WHY would the Falcons do that? WE aren't taking Ryan. Rams have Bulger and don't need him. He'll still be there at 3 unless another team REALLY wants him and trades up to 1-2 to get him. There is no reason for them to make that trade.
Quinn was considered a higher prospect and he was available at 9 last year. It's wishful thinking but it is not going to happen. Hey, I want to be wrong here but just don't think that I am.
Atlanta does not want to be burned by another high pick at QB. I think they the Falcons have a better chance of trading down from 3 to a team that wants DMF and we'll be stuck with #1.
Everyone is missing the best part of this scenario if the deal goes through. When the Raiders aquire Hall they will almost surely take the franchise tag off of Nnamdi Asomugha. Nnamdi will become a free agent and he is who the Fins should go balls out after. He will probably sign a long term deal for 8 or 9 mil a year which would be a savings over both Asante and Hall. However, unlike those guys Nnamdi is 6'2 and could be a shutdown corner on Randy Moss for years to come. Plus he will only be 27 this year so we should get at least four or five good years out of him which could coincide with when we finally get back into the playoffs.
Nnamdi is a team player, makes plays and will fit perfectly into what the Fins are trying to build. The secondary will be set with him at one corner, Allen on the other side, Goodman or Lehman as nickle back, Bell and Jason Allen as safeties. Then the fins can concentrate the entire draft on offensive line, defensive line, and linebackers. The Raiders mistake of going for the big name could be the fins gain as they could end up with the best player.
Oh, I forgot Flacco with the 1st pick of th second round. Give Beck competition and one of them is bound to end up being servicable I hope.
The Raiders are not taking the franchise tag off of Nnmadi. They will pay them both this year, and let him walk as a FA next year. Or, they'll trade him to a team that gives him a new contract, and pick up another pick of their own once he signs the tender.
Forget about Hall, too much money... and we CAN get a good CB in the draft, for a lot less.
I agree that you dont pay a fortune for FA's when rebuilding. You do it exactly how Parcell's, Ireland and Sparano are doing it now. Value in FA & the draft.
Parcell's will try to trade out.... and the player that's gonna get us the opportunity to do it is McFadden not Ryan.
Look to Dallas not Atlanta... they traded Jones for a reason.
and dont be surprised if Miami didnt take McFadden, if we cant trade out, no matter how good a RB corp we have.
Better player potential then Ryan.
The hole that we need to fill keeps pointing to Jake Long.
Oh and yeah they dont need to be at Jake's pro day in force, to indicate interest, there needs do that. They already know his value.
PS. Mando I would have spent that kinda money on Peterson last year -rather then D Hall or Feneca or Sammuel
Armando are trying to tell me that Al Davis is making better decisions than Bill Parcells? I forgot about the raiders & the decisions they have made the last decade. Your right Armando.
Hey Mando...In response to "I guess all you experts who say you shouldn't "waste" cap space on one player will be angry when the Dolphins draft an unproven rookie with the first overall pick and give him $32 million guaranteed and between $55-$60 overall, right?"
Unless we can find someone to trade with us and get out of the number one spot...the money we will spend on the number one pick is inevitable. A ridiculous trade for Hall is not.
So....in conclusion it shows just how ridiculous your argument is...not all of ours.
I'll pass on someone who in the midst of an awful season finds it necessary to utilize a Nationaly Telecast Game to promote his support for Michael Vick.
D Hall = punk
Armando, you have to admit...your statement that Miami is going to give 30+ guaranteed to a rookie & they won't for hall is ridiculous. Did Parcells pick that draft spot? Does he have a choice? You’re talking about two different animals here. Can't you see that? Do you REALLY see it as the same thing??
Steve, a couple of things:
To disparage the Raiders and Al Davis is easy these days, but I remind you they went to the Super Bowl as late as 2002. When was the last time the Dolphins went? When was the last time Bill Parcells went? They are troubled, yes, but to simply dismiss them compared to the Dolphins is unwise.
Secondly, I was trying to make the point that is wrong to say we don't want X player based on giving him too much money. It's flawed. Do you think the Dolphins would say, we don't want Tom Brady because he'd cost too much? That was my point. Perhaps to factor it down to the least common denominator, which is the upcoming rookie pick was too simplistic, but again, I'm trying to make a point here. And that is these hard and fast rules about not spending cap room because the Dolphins are "rebuilding" is ridiculous, IMO.
I actually would have taken D. Hall. The guy can play...period. Sam Madison was no angel either fellas. I remember a few fase mask fights with him!
Hall supported Vick because they were college friends and teammate too. Not saying what Vick did was right...because it was horrible...but...at least Hall stood by him as a teammate and friend. I can respect that.
Hall didn't have any real issues until Petrino...who was a loser and a coward. He would shaped up playing for the trio...whatever their nickname is...lol
Peace.
Ps...Jake Long is the pick. ;-)
Mando...no doubt...Al Davis can still spot talent. He's done a pretty solid job on the secondary the last couple years.
I do think though...that Al has lost his touch when it comes to QB's. Gannon was a Gruden guy wasn't he?
I also think he's done a poor job with coaches since Gruden as well. He had a good hire when he gave the job to Norv, but blew it when he fired him.
I think Al is guilty of tinkering too much.
This from Peter King at SI.
" I think if the Raiders pay DeAngelo Hall in the range of $9 million a year, they will officially be Daniel Snyder West. Ask opponents if Hall is a premier corner. I did over the weekend, promising anonymity. Got this text from an offensive coach on an NFC South staff: "Avg w flash & big play ability. Don't know how good he wants to be. Classic Oakland. Does have ability tho.''
One defensive assistant told me: "He's above average, but he sees himself as elite. This leads to problems.''
At least Asante Samuel was a major contributor to a three-time Super Bowl team before he got his payday. Hall's not as consistent, and a streaky corner can be a dangerous corner. If the Raiders pay Hall in the Samuel-Nate Clements league, I will have no idea why, other than they'd be paying star money to an immature kid for potential.
Armando, this is how good Hall is.
Read this article by Pete Prisco.
http://sportsline.com/nfl/story/10714432
Although I'm not a Mando basher like some folks, I'm not on the other end of the spectrum like the others. Mando, you do seem dissappointed we didn't make a move for Hall, and yes, he isn't a thug, but he has a few strikes against him in the "team player" category. Maybe just a crappy coach and crappy team, maybe he gets a pass. On that note, where do you rank Porter (Joey)? I think (hoping) he's part of a package trade. Is he detrimental to team unity? Could he part of a move no one is seeing? Just asking.....
Also, I'm no Mando groupie, but I like the effort put into discussing news when there is no real news. We have guys paid millions of dollars to keep things quiet! Those of you bashing Mando for "stretching" stories, or having nothing to report, well, yeah morons, it's that time of year! Give us what you can Mando, it's fun anyway. thanks.
You hate to say I told you so huh? Well every now and then you get something right. I have a broken watch and even that is right twice a day. Remember when you said last year right before the draft that if Brady Quinn got passed number 3 that The Dolphins would trade up to get him. That Brady Quinn was getting drafted no matter what. Remember that? Yeah, I thought you did.
Hall is on about the same level as T. Buckley was. When they guess right they're great, when they don't they stink. I would say Samuel is about the same corner as those two, he just had the advantage of a better line in front of him.
I'm glad we didn't get him. I'd rather take a chance on taking a corner or two in the draft. I also believe he is overrated and gets beat just as often as he makes a play.
TO RED DOG :
I HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU JOEY PORTER IS BIG MOUTH. WHY MIAMI SIGNED HIM IS BEYOND ME.I LIVE CLOSE TO PITTSBURGH AND WATCHED HIM EVERY SUNDAY. ( HE'S MORE TROUBLE THAN HE'S WORTH ). LETS PACKAGE HIM UP WITH TAYLOR AND REALLY CLEAN HOUSE, WE ALL KNOW TAYLOR IS ON THE TRADING BLOCK. SEND THEM TWO TO THE EAGLES FOR LITO SHEPARD AND A THIRD RD PICK !
you should never pay 10 million a year for any player. It creates a problem for the other players on the team and if that person is injured you are stuck. Look at all the teams that sign big contracts with players. Most of them never complete them because they need to shed the salary. Spread the money around because you will be better off having young aggressive do anything players in the 1 to 4million a year slot and a lot of them then 4 or 5 overpaid stars.It just takes one injury. Keep the team together with affordable players and always build thru the draft. After this year I hope we are trading away players for future picks and not signing free agents unless they are bargains.The money rarely works out on free agents. I would personally fill up my draft with 2 thru 5th round players. Trade to end up with 10 picks in there every year. At the end of the third year before a player hits the market in free agency trade the ones with high dollar value for the extra picks. Then sread the wealth.
"And I don't want to hear how Hall is a bad character guy because he is not."
Really.
"Former coach Jim Mora had a tendency to baby Hall early in his career, according to team sources. When Hall continuously parked in a handicapped spot, nothing was done until someone higher up finally put down the hammer. The source says Hall parked there again anyway. It's that type of behavior that helped him wear out his welcome."
--Pete Prisco (intelegent reporter)
Granted, a little thing, but it says a lot about his character (or lack thereof). Parcells and Ireland aren't stupid.
This is a lame article. Also, a Dolphins contingent is going to Michigan to meet with Jake Long. Get a kitchen towel out- to wipe the egg off of your face if we draft Jake Long.
I just saw that D. Hall signed with Oakland for $70M, $24M guaranteed. Also cost them a high 2nd and a 5th in 2009. I don't think that would have a prudent investment at this stage of rebuilding.
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