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Tuesday, May 16, 2006

New Mexico to South Florida

Let's start with the truth: I was wrong when I speculated in this blog that Marcus Vick wouldn't be signed by the Dolphins.

I trusted what I saw with my eyes in the tryout minicamp and I trusted things I was told privately. The Dolphins signed Vick Monday anyway.

But I still think it was a mistake. I'm on the record for the reasons why in previous posts on this blog if you care to check them out. Only time will evaluate who's opinion is right -- the Dolphins or mine.

I'm certain I'm alone in this corner and all the rest of you are trusting that this is the right decision. Only time will tell whether Vick becomes a productive member of the team, or his limited college experience and a history of trouble continue to haunt him.

I hope, for his sake, Marcus Vick is everything the Virginia Tech fans on this blog claim. I hope he can stay out of trouble. I know he's got a difficult uphill climb.

I hope he continues to prove me wrong.


Anonymous seamus said...

Big of you to admit you were wrong. It's just a free agent contract, so they're basically bringing him back for another tryout, right? Does he have the speed and athleticism to play WR or return kicks? And what would make him better at that than, say, other guys who really played WR and KR in college?

2:33 AM  
Blogger CubanCulebra said...

Hey, don't be so hard on yourself big guy. I don't think anybody here saw this comin. Marcus Vick? A WR? Who knew? Maybe the kid has a little Randel El in him after all. Now that he's ours though, let's support him, eh?. Why not? What's it gonna hurt to throw this kid some blessings, a little good graces? What's the worst that could happen- the kid grows up, does well, hurts your ego? I'm talkin to you pessimists out there. You gotta be wrong sometime. This was your time. The kid obviously has talent cuz the Phins ain't lacking in depth at neither QB or WR. Not anymore. And if you're still doubting Nick Saban, I got tree names fo ju: Channing Crowder, Travis Daniels, Ronnie Brown. Capiche?

2:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

we got our randel el get ready for gadget plays etc .... i think he can be a solid wr but even better kick returner.i think the nicktator should go out and trade for denver wr ashley lelie he would be a perfect fit in our offense and will take over booker's place in 2007.lelie can be our number 2 guy for years to come.chambers of course is number 1.i love the vick signing.

3:17 AM  
Blogger Grasshopper said...

Remember that Mularkey is the OC who developed the "Slash" concept with Kordell Stewart. Vick has potential with baggage. I suppose I trust Saban enough to either deal with the baggage or eject it.

3:36 AM  
Anonymous Peeter said...

I'm with you on this one, Armando. I believe it is a major waste of time bringing this troublemaker into camp. Indeed, the coaches' time would be much better spent on someone who is worth the investment.

6:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is another case of what seems the obvious answer really is the obvious answer. This kid is going to amount to nothing in the NFL. I can't believe he has ridden his brother's coat tails for this long. I'd be very disappointed if he ends up with a roster spot over someone who may be able to contribute to the team on or off the field. Can someone please tell the coaches to stop taking reaches on athletic ability. Didn't JJ do that a lot? Last time I looked New England took proven guys and built a winner that way.

7:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We don't need another QB, so we must be looking at him at WR or KR or both. I thought I heard he had 4.4 speed or better so that should enable him to strech the field for us. It also gives you someone that could be used as an emergency QB. As far as a starter or a #2 or #3 QB forget it. I just hope they can get him to grow up and act like a man. Oh yeah, let's hope he can catch too.

8:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little known stat for you. In Marcus Vick's only other game at wide receiver, he caught 4 passes for 88 yards and a TD in a bowl game during his freshman year. The Dolphins know talent when they see it....Mr. Salguero apparently doesn't. There's a reason he's a writer and not a talent scout. There are only a couple of athletes in the NFL better than Marcus, and his brother is one of them.

8:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First things a UM Hurricanes fan living IN Virginia, I hate the VA Tech Hokies with a PASSION. HOWEVER, as a result of living in this state, I've had a lot of exposure to the Vick saga and watched a lot of his games. (Most of my friends went to Tech). Its obvious that carrying the Vick name gave Marcus a HUGE ego. He thought he was a shoo-in to get into the NFL. He didn't get drafted and his ego took a major blast. He's young, he did some dumb-ass stuff. All of you need to think back to when you were in your late teens/early twenties....are you going to admit that you didn't do or entertain the thought of doing something really, really stupid?? Some of you got caught, some of you didn't. You either learned from it or you didn't. Hopefully, Marcus Vick learned from his mistake. The kid definitely has skills. If he was three inches taller, he'd be considered a much better passer than his brother. (because he IS a much better passer). The Dolphins have nothing to lose by signing him and its NOT a waste of time. If he doesn't make the team, so what? Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Saban has already stated that if Vick screws up, he's gone. Plain and simple. I, for one, think Vick would be an asset to the team. I think some of the veteran players would be a great influence on him. Thats all it takes to become a great person and player...guidance.

8:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a feeling that not only will Vick make the team but will contribute quickly. This kid has great physical skills and despite the crap that went down is not an football idiot. He is a social idiot but he was given the keys to a brand new Escalade when he turned 18 so his environment was not the best.

He's 5'11" and weighs 210 and runs a 4.3 40. He has a very good arm but he will never play QB in the NFL except in an emergency situation or as a backup. He will be a starting WR in the NFL in the future.

8:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now you're making the same mistake about the bloggers that you did with Marcus Vick! You assume Marcus WILL screw up, and you assume every positive reference on the blog is from rednecks in Blacksburg.

This isn't about your lame assumptions. This about your credibility being where I said it would be..."in the toilet".

It was obvious you didn't like the person from weeks ago with your veiled reference to "Ron Mexico". This is your opinion for which I could care less about. However, when it becomes obvious that your opinion of the person interfered with your judgment of his talent as an athelete, then you're failing to do your job.

Further, this isn't about who is right in the end. This about SIGNING marcus vick. What is so crazy about signing him to a FA contract? Answer: NOTHING!

Don't play some perspective card (we'll see who is right in the end)when you have nothing left in your hands. Whatever he does with the organization, you have no credibility to comment on the subject. Are you hear to claim he has less of a chance than the guys we drafted on day 2 of the draft? Even if he never develops, you can argue it's a good move. I'm unaware of potential talent just sitting on the street corner.

If he does something stupid, we boot him. The organization moves on without pain.

This isn't about what your eyes saw, this is about what your head thought - before the guy landed in Miami. Unfortunately, instead of writing this, you're claiming to stick by your previous statements.

Go find a mirror sir.

8:42 AM  
Blogger VADolfan13 said...

As a Hokie and a Dolfan, I can honestly say I am indifferent to this decision. Vick played WR quite a bit during his red-shirt freshman year and he showed some flashes of being a "go to" receiver. In the 2003 Bowl vs. Cal, he had 4 catches for 82 yards and a TD. Now with that being said, the chances of him being productive in the NFL is slim and none. It is a gamble with little risk. If he doesn't make the team, what have we lost? Not much. I hope he proves us all wrong.

8:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is with all this "New Mexico" stuff? His pseudonym for transmitting STD's is "Hank Bosnia."

9:06 AM  
Blogger rvalliere67 said...

The Phins need to hang on to Vick just in case he has been able to rewire his head. Then they will have gotten him for free and can either use his talents or trade him. Whereas I'm against bringing in a borderline convict, it's a no lose situation. If he screws up, he's gone. If he doesn't, we have a talented player.

9:12 AM  
Blogger DwinkinAle said...

For one I'm glad they gave the kid a chance. I have to admit also that at first I didn't want anything to do with him. Not only because of his troubles on and off the field, but also because his brother is Ron Herpes Mexico. Being the brother of the most overrated player in the league has to rub off on you somehow and apparently it had with Marcus' cockiness and resulting troubles. Since the draft though, I thought it would be in some teams interest to at least look at this guy. They say he is a better passer than his brother, which in all reality is not saying much. However if he is in fact a misunderstood player that can clean up his act, work hard and fit onto the team somewhere other than QB, I hope he realizes this is his only chance to play at this level and steps up and proves everyone wrong. He has the talent and hopefully Saban can shape him into a respectable, hard working ball player. If not, Vick will be out quick. He has very little waggle room and will be under the microscope.

9:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I watched Vick play last year at the U. of Maryland Game. I wasn't impressed. He doesn't throw the ball well and he was getting run down from behind by MLB Dequell Jackson. Yes, RUN DOWN FROM BEHIND. He isn't Michael Vick. So you can throw that 4.4 crap out the window. I think he may run a 4.6 at best. He is athletic and elusive. I'll give him that, but is he really worth the chance. I'm tired of being let down by these guys. Can't you see it? Vick makes the team and becomes a playmaker as a WR/QB. He then gets arrested for beating up a guy in a nightclub or fails a drug test. It will be something stupid like that. Nick, because of Vick's already battered image, will then have to let him go.

10:18 AM  
Blogger Armando Salguero said...

Vick has not been timed in the 4.3s. He has been timed at 4.48-4.5. He is not as fast as his brother.

10:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


you know, why not? Big ups to A.S.
I like what you do on the blog.

As far as Vicky goes, this is a low-risk sign. We're very deep, and we could use an emergency QB, and he could be used like Seneca Wallace is used in Seattle, when they will line him up any-and-everywhere to confuse defenses, and this worked wonders against Carolina in the NFC championships last year.

so, I hope he proves me wrong to.


10:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dolphins hire Marcus Vick,
If he lasts..The conduct of the Marcus Vicks of the world does not change unless there is a religous experience, or a good women finds him. Usually it takes a combination of both..

Mike G.

11:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Saban seems like a coach willing to venture, especially on big athletic kids and I give him credit for that. I think we are to gun shy about these situations, becasue our last two coaches did not cut these players with bad character early enough in their degeneration. If that comes to pass in this situation, I hope he will be quick on the trigger. My bigger hope is that this young man changes and becomes a contributor both on and off the field - which will say a lot to me about Saban as a coach and a man.

12:20 PM  
Blogger Pinhead NC said...

Armando is right about kids with bad-boy pasts being a long shot in the NFL. However, there are exceptions. How about Randy Moss? So many question-marks coming out of Marshall that Jimmy Johnson skipped him for...Ugh! John Avery...Gag...HURL!!! Then there are the Cecil Collins (bust) of the world. I think Saban is doing the right thing. Give great athletes enough rope to hang themselves. If they pan out, wonderful.. if not, send them off to buff floors in a Jr High School (the other job they are qualified for)

1:02 PM  
Blogger image1978 said...

I am from Virginia, and I absolutely hate Vick. He doesn't fit in the Dolphins schemes, and he is a young, immature, self-centered, cocky, arrogant, no talent having young boy. He is far from his brother, and my personal opinion is that Ryan Leaf would be a better QB, and as a Fin fan, I'd rather see Maurice Clarett running back punts then to have Marcus Vick in a Miami uniform. Marcus has never proved to be a great football player. He is wasting everyones time and patience. Thanks for letting me vent!

1:35 PM  
Blogger image1978 said...

As a Fin Fan- i would prefer to see Ryan Leaf at QB and Maurice Clarett running back punts then to have Marcus Vick in a Dolphin uniform. I believe he is arrogant, self-centered, immature, and cocky, for not having proved anything in college. All that said, i agree with you in saying he has little to no talent. Marcus - have fun living your life in Michaels shadow, better yet - Wes Welker's shadow. Oh, and i am from Virginia and still dislike him. I am so disappointed in Saben on this signing. Thanks for letting me vent

1:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please stop with the 'New Mexico' tag. It is cheap and classless.

Your better than that.

1:48 PM  
Anonymous Tick said...

No, cheap and classless is pulling a gun on a kid working the counter at a McDonalds.

Cheap and classless is having sex with a minor.

Cheap and classless is stepping on the leg of an opposing player on the field.

The New Mexico moniker is funny. And well deserved.

P.S. I think this signing is a bad move on the Fins' part.

2:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What Number is he going to wear Armando??? please tell us!

2:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Harrington will probobly take the 3 that Vick wore in minicamp and since he'll be primarily a receiver I assume he will take a "teen" number since he it lets him hang on to the possibility of being a QB. I hope its #11 so him and his brother will be 7/11.. but please confirm this Armando!

2:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Justin Holland has #11

Give him Fiedler's old #9!!

Thats pretty much the only one thats left, unless he goes with #89

2:49 PM  
Blogger Armando Salguero said...

Marcus Vick has been assigned No. 16 by the Dolphins. Harrington has been given No. 3. The number on Vick may change during training camp, of course. The number for Harrington won't change.

3:08 PM  
Anonymous Hugo said...

Are we pilling up guys with character issues? I've agreed with Saban up until this move and also, the thing about not getting a NT has come back to bite us with with the Traylor DUI issue...

6:17 PM  
Blogger CubanCulebra said...

Tick said...
"No, cheap and classless is pulling a gun on a kid working the counter at a McDonalds.

Cheap and classless is having sex with a minor."

You know what else is cheap and classless? Slander. It's also illegal. Tickhead.

6:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


You're wrong.

Marcus - clocked in the 4.3 range, and a year later, in the 4.4 range.

Maybe you should read this!

7:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Armando, Thank you for being big enough to admit your mistake. I hope you get to know Marcus and I feel you will change you opinion.

Opinions are just that, Opinions.. Not a single person that has written a comment on this Blog knows Marcus Vick. One guy saw a Maryland game whoopie do.. another knows his stats... Do any of you really know Marcus Vick. Not even close... Just opinions. Walk in a mans shoe before you know what he has been through. That's where you can start your interview. That's where the story begins.

I have watched him in High School and at Tech. And yes, he is the real deal. A talented Football player with skills that have yet to be tapped. And the Dolphins got him for a steal. I think Saban saw the same thing I saw on a Friday night in Newport News, Va. The real Marcus Vick. For you people that want to know Him. Ask, He will tell you. I just think it's interesting people make comments on people they don't even know. Just watch and he will prove you wrong.... He has been their and done that... And Yes, he is in fact a better passer than his brother.. Much better... And Can he catch... Even better.. Ask the recievers at Tech. They will be the first to tell you..

10:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all of you who keep harping on Marcus Vick being a troublemaker, if you want to see good citizens go watch a boy scout convention and stay off of the football blogs please. To all of you who keep harping on Michael Vick being overrated, remember 11/6/05 when he came into ProPlayer and carved up the Dolphins; he's also taken his team further in the playoffs than the league's golden boy of QBs Peyton Manning. To all of you who don't believe that Marcus Vick cannot be a playmaker at multiple positions (remember his red zone touchdown run in '05 against Florida State year who had arguably the best defensive front in college football) and cannot be developed into a better quarterback than CLEO LEMON (who?!?) then you need to watch more football.

11:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For a while, I thought I was the only Virginia transplant in South Florida! To all of you who apparently have not watched a lot of football, please listen to us from the VA. Virginia has a lineage of athletic QBs making it to the NFL, many in other positions such as Kenny Easley, Darren Perry, and Ronald Curry (who is the third best receiver currently on the Raiders). I've had the experience of playing against (or watching) this lineage of QBs since the days of Aaron Brooks and Allen Iverson. Yes, that Allen Iverson. There are a lot of NFL players with baggage (many of them display it on our city streets particularly when Miami hosts a Super Bowl) but not all have the talent of Marcus Vick (who found time amongst all of his transgressions to be runner-up for ACC player of the year) who the Dolphins now have at a bargain basement price. Joey Harrington has failed miserably after given years to be the Lions quarterback and the Dolphins trade for him and eat up Miami cap space. You mean to tell me Marcus Vick can't be given a season to be a 3rd string quarterback and a jack-of-all trades for the league minimum?

11:29 PM  
Anonymous mflender said...

I tried to get my Dolphins "New Mexico" jersey. NFL pro shop won't let me. :-) Errors out. Don't give up on Booker yet. He hasn't had a QB the whole time he's been on our team. On the rare occasion they throw to him, he odes fine.

11:47 PM  
Blogger NYdolfan said...

It doesn't really bother me that the Phins signed this guy, although I would have rather they didn't. I can't picture this guy being able to handle a role that is not the center of attention. He certainly has some talent, and Icould see him developing into a decent QB or WR a few years down the road. Since we have him I hope he turns his life around and has a productive career.

The thing that bothers me is that the Vick backers don't understand why people think he is a trouble maker.

Anonymous(president of New Mexico's fan club) You will go to any length to defend this kid. Look you are right we don't know him. All that we know is that he is in the newspaper more often for his run-ins with the law than his football accomplishments. He is very athletic, but the NFL is a game where you need to keep your cool under the pressure. Was stomping on Dummervil's leg keeping your head? That is the impression he has left. He brought all of this criticism upon himself. If YOU know him so well...Next time you talk to him please give him some advice. Start off by telling him don't blow this chance because its probably his last...and as Johnny Cash once sang "Dont take your guns to town"...Also I will never walk in his shoes, because most people who do end up doing 5 to 10. Mike must have bought him a good must be nice to have a rich brother!

Marcus good luck...i wish you the have a lot to prove. You are a young kid that I hope has learned from your past mistakes.

Marcus' anonymous friend...since you know him so well, please share with us some instances where Marcus showed good character and decision making. Make us all believers!!

Traylor you are not off the hook either, I hope he is disciplined properly once all the facts come out. Saban needs to send more of a message.


10:39 AM  
Anonymous tick said...

cuban snake ... slander is when you FALSELY accuse someone of something. Vick was actually arrested and charged with both these crimes.

learn the language before you speak, woncho.

10:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tickhead, he pulled a gun in the parking lot. As he is already wealthy, why would he try to rob a Micky D's. Or maybe they didn't get his order right. He was protecting himself. Where are you finding these so called "facts".

12:20 PM  
Blogger NYdolfan said...

Bottom line he pulled a gun out on a group of teenagers...Not something to be proud of. How many "good" people do you think go to McDonald's strapped? (Not including law enforcers) He needs to mature a lot before he becomes a professional.

12:31 PM  
Anonymous Tick said...

that's all I'm saying. you guys can jump on me all you want, but I think we just signed our next cecil collins. pardon me if i don't want "repeat offenders" on my beloved Dolphins roster.

12:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for finding out the number hes going to wear. I just saw it posted on if you find out that he wants to change it please let us know!

2:40 PM  
Anonymous Steve said...

well if we want to be technical...he ALLEGEDLY pulled a gun out on those guys. It hasn't been proven in a court of law that he actually did that. He contends it was a cell phone. the stomping on the leg thats fact. the sex with a minor who he gave liquor to is also a fact - though honestly at 18/19 i'm sure plenty of the guys here probably drank with people that included at least one person younger and if 18/19 as a SR in high school sex with a freshman or sophomore could mean having sex with a 15/16 year old. not saying its okay, but lets have some perspective on it. he didn't rape the girl, he gave her liquor and had sex with her, but it was concentual.

also, the guy has done dumb things over and over, but so have a lot of other guys on the team. he's got the luxury and burden of being named Vick. if he make the changes in his life that its obvious that he has to make than we should be glad for him and if he does that and plays good for the dolphins we should be glad for all parties involved - him, us the fans, and the team.

2:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Armando,believe me when I say many of us were wrong ( or right)on the Marcus issue! As a native Virginian and big Hokie fan, I believe I must sound-off being that Marcus is now a member of my beloved Dolphins.First,most of us law-abiding citizens were also law-abiding teens;so,some of your responders need to stuff that excuse in their baby diaper(that they obviously can't part with).Marcus has not made a lot of mistakes--he has repeatedly broken the law!Just as he has demonstrated poor sportsmanship on the field; the thug is out of control.Aside from his questionable personality, his quarterback skills are even more questionable.Did you see how he single-handedly handed the 'Noles a gift-wrapped victory?This year I was looking forward to another great Hokies season, sans Marcus;however, my enthusiasm has been dampened by Marcus joining the Dolphins.

3:10 PM  
Blogger The Dude said...

Steve said it best: "He's got the luxury and the burden of being named Vick."

He may not even make the team when the final roster cuts are made. Personally, I agree with the last anonyomous commentator. In my eyes, he's not much of a QB/athlete (by NFL standards). But I guess time will tell.

I'm not too crazy about it, and the whole Keith Traylor things sucks too ... but we'll see. Whatever happens, Saban won't allow ANYTHING to become a distraction.


3:15 PM  
Blogger Kevin said...

The kid can definitely play the game--Beamer and Tommy Reamon (his high school coach, who played for the Cowboys) wouldn't have gone to bat for him with Saban if they didn't think he could cut it. Can he get his head screwed on straight? That's another question entirely. Marcus' Mom kept Michael in line pretty well, but Marcus seems less amenable to persuasion. Marcus came out of a very different situation than Michael: While both were starting quarterbacks at Warwick High School, Michael played in the shadow of Hampton High QB/CB Ronald Curry (now with the Raiders). Marcus, on the other hand, was still in High School when his brother turned pro, and had everything handed to him on a silver platter before he ever got to college. So, he's got several more years of feeling entitled to get over than Michael did when he turned pro.

4:52 PM  
Blogger CubanCulebra said...

Hey TICKHEAD, Vick was ACCUSED of ALLEGEDLY brandishing a weapon at a couple of hoodlums who had prior arrest records themselves, not some poor schmuck working behind the counter. By the way, he was never convicted, hence the term ALLEGEDLY. Your distortion of the truth and lack of accuracy makes your statement false thereby smearing Vick's name thereby committing slander you pretentious prick. I have more language on the pinky-nail of my spic finger than you have in your entire bloodline. As a matter of fact, my merely standing next to you would merit an invitation to lecture at Oxford, so the next time you address me you'll do so as Professor Cuban or not at all.

6:54 PM  
Anonymous tick said...

you got it professor woncho

7:20 PM  
Blogger CubanCulebra said...

Better, tickhead. Much better.

3:42 PM  
Anonymous Tick said...

LOL :)

4:34 PM  
Anonymous JAX FL. HOKIE said...

as an huge va tech hokie fan i was so excited when we got marcus 3 years later i was begging him to go pro weather he got kicked out or not i was so tired of this guys shit i tried my hardest to back him as a hokie and also as a vick but he refuses to let you. now we got a new marcus in town in ike hope he didnt hang with marcus to much and learns the diffrence between right and wrong. alot of the things vick did werent so bad he was just under a microscope but he knew he was so its his fault i dont know if i wanna see him fail in the nfl but how many chances can you get? i do know one thing he will not be a qb people say he passes better than mike there wrong he can ut more touch on the ball than mike thats it mike's stats in COLLEGE the same place marcus played were just as good and he was a freesman missed like 6 games the next year i think so those stats dont really account for much. but we will see what marcus is really about or if hes content just being mike's little bro for the rest of his life.

p.s. good luck dolphins even though im a falcons fan gotta stick with my hokies
p.s.s. watch out for the hokies this year with no marcus no one is looking at us to do anything but were still going to have a strong d and special teams and running game we jst need consistant play at qb something we havent had since mike left. GO HOKIES!!!!!!

8:44 PM  

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