Dolphins gamble and lose
I'm told the Dolphins agonized over the decision to waive Joe Berger so they could open a roster spot for Norman LeJeune.
I'm told the Dolphins totally expected to re-sign Berger once he cleared waivers.
I'm telling you the Dolphins screwed up in exposing Berger who today was claimed off waivers by the Dallas Cowboys and is already on his way to Dallas.
Berger was more than mildly surprised when the team cut him, especially considering it kept people like Jim Maxwell and a couple of less accomplished backup offensive linemen on the roster when they cut him.
But the Dolphins seemed confident they could get Berger back because he told them up front that he had no desire to leave South Florida. Guess Miami folks didn't figure that other teams read the waiver wires and know that Berger is a promising center.
That exactly the position he'll play for the Dallas Cowboys once he learns their system.
I'm told the Dolphins totally expected to re-sign Berger once he cleared waivers.
I'm telling you the Dolphins screwed up in exposing Berger who today was claimed off waivers by the Dallas Cowboys and is already on his way to Dallas.
Berger was more than mildly surprised when the team cut him, especially considering it kept people like Jim Maxwell and a couple of less accomplished backup offensive linemen on the roster when they cut him.
But the Dolphins seemed confident they could get Berger back because he told them up front that he had no desire to leave South Florida. Guess Miami folks didn't figure that other teams read the waiver wires and know that Berger is a promising center.
That exactly the position he'll play for the Dallas Cowboys once he learns their system.
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Crap! More great news!
Leave it to parcells that guy doesn't miss a trick.
I'm sure we will rebound,the guy was injured ,not playing and maybe saban thought who would pick up a guy injured not playing all year,wrong.
this will not affect anything this year.
go 10-6 dolphins
Another brilliant personnel move by the 20 million dollar genius Saban.
Lets wait until Berger plays more than 3 NFL games before we tag him the next Kevin Mawae. Christ the sky isn't falling because we lost a back-up center. It sucks to lose a young guy, but why are people convinced that he was a future starter in the making. He has potential just like the couple hundred rookies drafted each year. Does he have Vernon Carey potential? We are still trying to get him to play to his potential.
I'm more worried about Ronnie Brown's hand and next week's match-up against Jacksonville than I am about Joe Berger. I'm sure we can find another Joe Berger in waivers or in next years draft. I could be wrong though, and the curse of Joe Berger could haunt our offensive line for years to come.
NYDOLFAN84, I am told Ronnie Brown is considering quitting football because he won't have Joe Berger to run behind in the future.
So...Berger lies to the Dolphins in leading them to believe he wouldn't sign with another team, and it's the Dolphins fault?
Okkkkkkkkkkkkk......
LOL Nice one Armando...keep up the good work. The blog is informative and I'm glad we can have some fun. Its nice when the biggest mistake of the week was a end of the depth-chart personnel move and not our performance on the field. It felt so good to see Joey have some success. He is such a classy guy, whether he should be a starter in the league or not. I even know Bills fans who found it hard not to root for Joey on turkey day. Does anyone know if a reporter asked Dre Bly what he thought of Harrington's performance?
What does everyone think of our matchup against Jax? I think we need to come out conservative for a quarter and then mix-in a couple of risky or trick plays and try to beat them deep. I would avoid throwing in Rashean Mathis' direction most of the day. Our defense should fair well against their conservative offense. I just hope it doesn't come down to Mare's leg. And that hurts me to say, I live in Syracuse.
nydolfan84... I think you're right in being more conservative against Jax. I think the real issue is our receivers. Joey hit them several times where the ball was catchable, and it was dropped. Joe showed more control in tight passing against the Lion's. If given more support from the offensive line, and his receivers he will do fine.
As "the Dude" said, crap. I am not familiar with Berger, but we cannot afford to lose young players that might already be used to some of Saban's game. We need to get these guys and prepare them right, but we will not be able to if we keep losing them. He might have not shown his best out on the field yet, but if you train and work them into the game they will become better.
I mean if we believe Saban is our answer, then we need to keep the young players we have so they, as well as, our first string can adjust to the new game plan. Once the players we have know Saban's system, it will be easier to bring in new talent and prepare them. The only one's that will need to learn the system will be the new guys, not like now. Everybody is trying to adjust, and that makes it more difficult on everyone.
Armando... who do you think is to blame with losing Berger? I think it is easy to make mistakes as such when players state they want to stay, and then leave at the first offer. I believe this is the biggest problem in the NFL. Players claim to want to be where they are playing, yet take off at the first offer given elsewhere. o team spirit. What is your opinion?
By the way... I hope all you Fin fans had a great Thanksgiving. Mine was great, especially watching Harrington stick Detroit for treating him as they did.
OK, a quick lesson in the NFL waiver system:
Berger did not sign with Dallas. He was placed on waivers and each of the 31 other teams can stake a claim to him. Whichever team claims him, he belongs to them.
He has no choice. None.
If two or more teams claim him, he goes to the one with the worst record -- kinda like a draft.
The only way the Dolphins could get Berger back was hope he cleared waivers and then he would be a free agent able to sign with anybody. He told them he'd like to come back to Miami.
But again, when he was claimed, it was out of his hands.
Sez Salgue: "A belief in God requires faith. To not believe in God requires a great imagination."
In fact, not to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster requires reason.
Ergo, one might say that to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster implies irrationality.
Sorry, above anonymous comment, your argument is patently false. You seem to make the mistake of assuming that if not doing one thing requires something, doing it requires the opposite. Here's an example. Not believing in God requires that one be alive. Therefore, believing in God requires that you be dead. False. Nice try, though, almost.
It is important to have a center who knows something about the team's system and it's good to have someone that has youth. Unfortunately these don't usually go together. The center usually calls the blocking schemes so he has to recognise the defense in front of him and he also has to know what the capabilities of the guy next to him are so he can call these schemes. Even though a player might show promise sometimes you have to go with someone who can help you today. Berger might come back next year through other negotiations or we might pick up someone with both youth and experience. What we have to do is put the best on the field we can now. Sometimes coaches "just know" and what we see as illogical really make sense. Saban gets credit for Berger going on waivers but if we sign the next Dwight Stephens next year the scouts and GM get the credit.
And anonymous, if he couldn't get on the field here why would he be able to on one of the top 2 NFC teams? Maybe Parcells made the mistake.
More important than this is trying to win if you can't catch the ball. Joey can't throw it and catch it too. Our recievers have probably 6 to 8 drops per game. That doesn't lead you to a superbowl. And also, stop all the penalties already. That's mwhy we started 1-6.
Hey Armando,
If you are reading this....tell the guy who tried to "leak"(as if it was real) that horrible Alabama crap.
Other than you guys not liking Saban because of this or that...why hurt the Dolphins moral by asking the players on Monday about that horrible bull. It makes no sense and its a shame someone pays the ass who tried to stir things up.
I have to say the media running with this story is amazing. It hurts Miami, Its a slap in the face to the Shulas and simply put, someone yell or fire the prick who did this.
Marino: Offense Needs Balance
Dan Marino said the Dolphins have more work to do on offense.
"I think they need a little more consistency throwing the football, and more balance offensively," Marino told 790-The Ticket. "They have some big-play people, but they don't get enough big plays."
Marino said he believes the Dolphins have an "outside chance" of making the playoffs, but ending the season with a nine-game winning streak won't be easy.
"Yeah, it's a stretch," Marino said. "But they have a shot because they play great defense. They have Jason Taylor, and the secondary is coming around. They're getting more comfortable. Anytime you have a defense that's in the top five in the league that has playmakers that can score on defense . . . so they have an outside chance. They're one of the hottest teams in the league."
Posted by Keven Lerner at 02:00 PM | Permalink | Comments (13)
Sammy no starter
One thing really becomes clear today: The Dolphins desperately needed to address the backup running back position in the offseason.
I'm just not a big Sammy Morris fan when he's lined up at tailback. There's a huge dropoff with him back there instead of Ronnie Brown. Don't get me wrong -- he's an excellent special-teams player and a great guy to have in the lockerroom. I also thought he did fine as a third-down back. He's just not the answer as an every-down back.
But with Brown likely missing Sunday's game against Jacksonville after undergoing surgery on his left hand, Morris and Travis Minor are all the Dolphins have left. If Minor has to be the team's featured back, they're really in trouble.
And don't be fooled by Morris' career-long 55-yard run against Detroit.
How could Nick Saban not acquire a somewhat comparable replacement for Ricky Williams after knowing as far back as April that Williams was suspended for the 2006 season? When Williams' suspension was handed down by the NFL, I was positive Saban would pull the trigger on landing a quality backup either in the draft, trade or free agency.
Good teams usually have two quality backs.
And if I'm Saban, I forget about Williams and move on this offseason. The guy is just too unreliable and unstable.
Posted by Keven Lerner at 10:12 AM | Permalink | Comments (42)
While I want the admin to put the pedal to the metal, they need to take their time and make the right decision. More and more I'm thinking that's Randy Shannon with a big $$$ offensive coordinator.
And Cooper, you'd better not sell us out!
Posted by: KillaCane | November 27, 2006 at 12:32
I have great recruiting ties with the Western Panhandle high schools. I am a "seriously" offensive-minded coordinator with all the right raw materials to make the next step. I have great people skills, and am proficient in MS Word, MS Excel, and MS Powerpoint. Who should I forward my resume to in regards to your open head coach position?
Posted by: Jeff Bowden | November 27, 2006 at 12:34
Chuck,
Is already working with Nc State.
Posted by: BIG_CANE_FAN | November 27, 2006 at 12:37
DAGUMIT BOY!!! I thought I told you to stay off these here internets! Go outside and gat me a switch, and I ain't gonna tell you again.
Posted by: Bobby Bowden | November 27, 2006 at 12:37
STEVE MARIUCCI.
Posted by: thekris | November 27, 2006 at 12:51
Bobby, put the shine down!
Posted by: RoboCane | November 27, 2006 at 13:03
BIG NEWS!!! (AP) 12:48 p.m. -- Former Miami Heat player Alan Ogg is being considered for the Hurricanes vacant coaching position. While he knows nothing about football, he is a South Florida legend. Paul Dee was quoted today as saying, "Sure, Ogg probably won't win us a championship in the next couple years, but if one man can bring this program back to prominence it is Alan Ogg." It is further reported that Ogg will implement a four running back formation, with no quarterback. He is a firm believer that the forward pass is unnatural in the college game, and should have never be introduced to organized football. Ogg says about his scheme, "If you like the run, I will give you the run." Just wanted to let everyone in on the breaking news.
Posted by: Caniac717 | November 27, 2006 at 13:04
OKAY NOW THERE IS A COACH AVAILIBLE BY THE NAME OF"MIKE SHULA JUST THE NAME ALONE SHOULD BE A GREAT FIT!!!!!!
Posted by: DIEHARD HURRICNE FAN | November 27, 2006 at 13:07
Watching the game Thu night, did anyone else get the feeling that if we had played KF all season (or at least immediately following the GT loss) AND Ryan Moore hadn't spent basically the entire season on suspension, that Coker might not have lost his job?!??? I think those 2 could have hooked-up for several more game changing big plays if given the chance!
Also...to all the RS and D bashers from the past few weeks...how you feeling now?!? ONCE AGAIN, the D only gives up a SINGLE score. The difference this time??...The O actually (while trying real hard to blow the game) scores 17 and gives the D some incentive and enthusiasm that keeps the emotion up through the fourth quarter - the time when both sides are usually playing on emotion (and conditioning, but thats a different topic!).
RS's body of work is more than worthy of a HC job. He proves it year after year AND bleeds for the U. IF we have to fall back to a coordinator w/o HC experience, then RS SHOULD be the man! He may be the best man for the job, even w/o HC experience. But, I believe 1st choice will be a current HC...
Posted by: DallasTX Cane | November 27, 2006 at 13:12
I think this years recruiting class, besides of the players for out of the area that want to be Canes need to be Canes, we must not let anyone especially skill position players leave the area unless we lose a recruit to FSU, UF or 5 star program can't control that. The key to the class is bringing in Deonte Thompson and Hankerson from St. Thomas he is deciding between the U and OSU, gotta get him. Also Guyton and/or Bryant from Homestead, this class has enough talent in the area to where there should be no need to chase an out of state player. Before we woo the recruit from another state likes take care of the neighborhood first
Posted by: Broward Boy | November 27, 2006 at 13:17
How bad is Butch Davis kicking himself today after Alabama fired Mike Shula.
Posted by: StlCane | November 27, 2006 at 13:18
i say if we cant get cam cameron then we go with RS
Posted by: caness2006 | November 27, 2006 at 13:20
KillaCane I am with you, promote Randy Shannon and throw some cash at an OC. Schiano is a more expensive Randy Shannon. Promote the loyal and deserving!
Posted by: StlCane | November 27, 2006 at 13:21
I feel one of the pressing issues in the Hurricane locker-room is the lack of a live animal mascot to cheer them on at games. Perhaps, before every home game, a man can come out dressed in a cape and mask and release a giant ibis from underneath his cape, and let it fly into the stands. I feel that this would energize the players and fans alike, and probably lead to at least one more home victory. It is a whole other story how you get the bird out of the stands once it is released, but the top brass could deal with that. It would also be a selling point to potential recruits. What recruit wouldn't be excited to see a bird fly into the stands before every game. Any ideas???
Posted by: IbisYoubis | November 27, 2006 at 13:22
is there a chance of playing FSU in Boise?
Posted by: C-A-N-E-S | November 27, 2006 at 13:24
This has nothing to do with our HC job but.... Who here has NCAA 2007? Omar this goes out to you also. I am atempting to take the DUKE team and get to a Bowl Game. This will be a daunting task but one I think I am up for. Since most of you are competitive I challenge U to try it for fun. I will start after work. Hopefully be done by Friday. Lets see how tough it is to win with no talent.
Posted by: Joe Canes 22 | November 27, 2006 at 13:26
I agree RS deserves it, but the only problem is I hate to lose him as DC. However, if he gets passed over for the head coaching job, I could see him bolting to another program, so we may lose him anyway.
Posted by: CaneSniper | November 27, 2006 at 13:30
I still think Schiano will be the guy. His denials are all carefully worded. "I have no plans to leave" is different than "I will not leave". All of his statements to the press seem to leave him an out, as opposed to the statements by Spurrier, Richt, and Tuberville, which seem to definitely rule out any move.
Posted by: CaneSniper | November 27, 2006 at 13:35
Bosnia, Boise. There's no difference?
Either place would be just as attractive to our fans.
Posted by: Old Skool | November 27, 2006 at 13:41
Omar,
I am willing to bet they don't have a coach by Dec 31st.
There are several jobs that look a little better:
NC State (lower expectations and access to talent)
Arizona State(see NC State)
Alabama(More money, talent base, tradition, and long term job)
Posted by: rdub | November 27, 2006 at 13:41
R DUB, trust me when I tell you that the NC State people have HIGH expectations and Low Tolerance. I dont know why, they just do.
Posted by: Joe Canes 22 | November 27, 2006 at 13:44
What did everyone do to run The Truth off? The only semblance of - dare I say truth - on this board.
Posted by: j | November 27, 2006 at 13:45
Believe it or not, when I went to UT a few years ago, getting fans to the games and once there getting them interested in the game was a major issue. UT fans were notorious for coming late, leaving early and not making a lot of noise. Most games were NOT sell-outs, except the rivals - A&M, OU. I remember very well looking at all the empty seats for a "Parent's Day" game against Houston and that was back when Houston was winning and their QBs winning Heismans. For comparision sake, UT has almost 50k students, tons and tons of $$, more alumni than imaginable and is the state name-sake school. What changed??...A new HC (Mack Brown) and the Admin made a concentrated effort to reach out and get people in the stands making noise. They started a campaign - "Come Early, Get Rowdy, Stay Late" or something like that - and made a very public attempt to change fan behavior from apathetic to very involved. Winning didn't hurt either.
Why do I post this??
Just to say, winning will bring back the fans to the OB. BUT...the new HC and the Admin can also take the initiative and get creative in order to get the casual fan to come out. I say, reach out to the former players (especially the nfl'ers) and make them the face of a new campaign...create some excitment and a fun atmosphere...there HAS to be some creative people out there with some good ideas...
Complaining about the fans or lack thereof doesn't help anything...the new HC should make fan involvement a top priority and assign someone to lead an effort to bring back the casual fan...
Posted by: DallasTX Cane | November 27, 2006 at 13:46
Look, I would like Donna Shalala and Paul Dee to take a serious look at me for the open head coach position. Even though I am a struggling comedian who has done practically nothing meaningful since my show went off the air like 8 years ago and have no football experience whatsoever, I feel I am the perfect fit for the job. I hear you guys down there like to brawl and I am good at using my feet. Usually putting it in my mouth. I mean,come on! I promise not to use the "n" word. Well, only if I'm heckled by the fans.
Posted by: Michael Richards | November 27, 2006 at 13:50
The more I think about it, the more I cannot understand why the administration would want Greg Schiano, when they have a better connected and cheaper version here at home. Randy Shannon is everything Greg Schiano is, plus he recruits just as well (if not better) in South Florida. If they're not going to go for a turbocharged offensive-guru for a head coach, then go with Shannon. Otherwise, we're just paying more for the same thing.
I think the gameplan should be high powered offense or Shannon and a high powered offensive staff. Can I threaten to withhold my donation this year if this doesn't happen?
Posted by: AlumniCane | November 27, 2006 at 13:50
NC State is not thinking about National Championships every year, are they?
Posted by: rdub | November 27, 2006 at 13:50
hey what goes around comes around. butch did schianno wrong by not telling him to wait 1 more week before he bounced to the NFL. Now the Alabama job opens a week later.
Posted by: Lou of M | November 27, 2006 at 13:52
Yes RDUB, after Phillip Rivers! They believe they shoul dbe in it every year. Once again I am telling you I have NO idea why. That is what all of there fans tell me. "Why shouldnt WE" LOL.
Posted by: Joe Canes 22 | November 27, 2006 at 13:53
I just read on Feldman's blog that Cristobal may be considered for the FIU job.
Posted by: miamipete | November 27, 2006 at 13:53
Truth,
Sounds like you think beyond Schiano, it will be Patterson, Leach and Kraglethorpes of the world - why no NFL coordinators?
Posted by: j | November 27, 2006 at 13:54
The 'Bama job is a tough one. On one hand, you have tradition and resources. On the other, they may have the quickest trigger in the country. Shula, as boring as he is, had his first year of full scholarships this year. Imagine if we'd done that to Butch. I'd take UNC over 'Bama any day. Money and resources aren't that different, but with UNC you have lower expectations and an easier conference. All this matters if what you want is to get back to the NFL.
Posted by: miamipete | November 27, 2006 at 13:55
I just tried to price out a trip to Boise for the game and I think my eyes just got sprained:
Courtyard Boise December 30, 2006 to January 1, 2007
Total Flight and Hotel: $2,325.54
Per person: $1,162.77
If they plan on having ANYONE from Miami at that game they better come up with some better deals than that crap!
Posted by: Dennis | November 27, 2006 at 13:56
How can we smoke Gary Stevens out of hiding....
Posted by: Crist | November 27, 2006 at 13:58
Alumnicane-
It's pretty obvious right now why there more interested in Schiano.....He has led to program from nothing to top 20 footballl at a school that for the first time this year played a ranked football team while they where also ranked......
-Shannon has been the HC where?.....
Posted by: Obvious | November 27, 2006 at 14:00
Shannon is the man for the U.
Posted by: Lou of M | November 27, 2006 at 14:06
Not sure why people think Butch is out of the running for 'Bama. His word or signature mean nothing!
Posted by: Sonny Rube | November 27, 2006 at 14:07
Schiano at one time had no head coaching experience just like Shannon. Shannon deserves the opportunity to be a head coach. If not UM, someplace else.
Posted by: vince | November 27, 2006 at 14:07
Head Coach: Randy Shannon
Off. Cordinator: Chuck Amato
Schiano's carefull wording has nothing to do with this job, and everthing to do with public negotiations for a pay raise. Coaches use this tatic every year.
Posted by: CanesHeatPhins | November 27, 2006 at 14:09
Dennis I was actully considering going out to SF if the Canes were playing there butno way in hell I will be going to Boise! Does Boise even have a major airport?
Posted by: vince | November 27, 2006 at 14:10
Larry Coker's final FU to the fanbase: playing in Boisie...
Posted by: aqua | November 27, 2006 at 14:12
I don't know about the major aiport, but Im going to need to come into some major funds if I plan on going.
I think you can fly into salt lake city Utah and drive...
Posted by: Dennis | November 27, 2006 at 14:16
Why would Chuck Amato, probably one of the defensive back coaches ever, be able to run the offense at Miami?
Posted by: Dennis | November 27, 2006 at 14:18
Included in that article on recruits today was this passage:
One of the players he thinks could be swayed is Ocala Trinity Catholic quarterback John Brantley, who previously committed to Texas, but might be reconsidering because of the Longhorns' logjam at the position. UM's only quarterback commitment is Texas' Nick Fanuzzi, and he hasn't commented since Coker's firing.
I've been saying this for a while now. That kid, no matter what his family feels, needs to be contacted.
Posted by: miamipete | November 27, 2006 at 14:22
Shannon hires Jimbo Fisher to take over as OC. Keep Cristobal, Walton as D-coordinator and maybe Mosely (Randy would know better if he is worth keeping). Bring in a great special teams guy maybe with Vtech ties and find young leaders that want to move on for bigger and better things within a few years.
Posted by: CANEMAN | November 27, 2006 at 14:32
caness2006 cam cameron sucks! There was a reason he was fired from Indiana.
Posted by: mark | November 27, 2006 at 14:34
Forget Hollywood Chuck (Amato) ever being a coordinator at UM. It's nonsense. I do hope that UM gives Jim Grobe a look. He's the real deal. What he did at Ohio U. (which absolutely sucked prior to his tenure) and Wake (see Ohio U) with less than mediocre talent is miraculous. He reminds me a bit of a Tressel (who OSU fans weren't sure could recruit 1A talent when he was first hired).
Posted by: JDS | November 27, 2006 at 14:37
Honestly...
Recruit wise I KNOW we all agree Randy Shannon is HC and out the OC for anyone better I mean is that not the best answer of solving all the Soft Verbals and decommits....Something haaaaaas to happen fast.
Posted by: RayChanCaneFan | November 27, 2006 at 14:39
People from florida should not be driving from Salt lake City to Boise in the middle of winter. 5 hour drive through hills and snow packed roads.
Posted by: CANEMAN | November 27, 2006 at 14:39
If Randy Shannon became the HC, who would he bring in as an OC, any sugg.?
Posted by: KillerBeez41 | November 27, 2006 at 14:42
jimbo fisher from LSU
Posted by: CANEMAN | November 27, 2006 at 14:43
love jimbo fisher. look what he did to the U's defense last year. It would make for some interesting war stories w/ Shannon during coaches meetings.
Posted by: JDS | November 27, 2006 at 14:48
DallasTXCane,
Weren't the Shannon aplogoists saying that the D didn't have enough talent to dominate, and that's why sub-par performances throughout the year weren't Shannon's fault? I guess that was proven wrong on Thursday.
If they could dominate BC like that, I wonder why they couldn't do it against Virginia, Duke, Georgia Tech, etc. At least we know a lack of talent wasn't the reason.
Sharpton should have been playing all year. Meriweather should have been playing safety all year. Ponder should have been on the bench, and the safeties should have been playing back, not at the line of scrimmage. Also, how much better is the D without Glen Cook? One touchdown in the last 5 quarters without him.
At least Shannon finally figured those things out. It's too bad it took him all year to do it.
Posted by: Joe | November 27, 2006 at 14:49
Joe,
You have been on this Shannon kick for some un-Godly reason and you seriously need to get over it. You are stuck on the idea that he is no good and you are dead wrong.
Period.
Posted by: Dennis | November 27, 2006 at 14:52
Vote Shannon
Posted by: RayChanCaneFan | November 27, 2006 at 14:57
I hate to tell you guys but I think only a very few fans will actually go to Boise to watch a very bad football game. I mean I love the canes but what in the heck do you do in BOISE and you can't tell me that will be a good football game!!!
And you are right NO ONE FROM FLORIDA HAS ANY BUSINESS DRIVING IN UTAH in the snow!!!
Posted by: canechic | November 27, 2006 at 14:59
If we can get Jimbo or Chuck Amato to be OC, make Shannon head coach. Michael Irvin endorsed Gary Stevens on ESPN, if he's the guy maybe Shannon stays as DC
Posted by: Broward Boy | November 27, 2006 at 14:59
Joe,
I think that criticism still stands. The weaknesses on this team were at CB, LB and DT. Fortunately for Shannon's scheme on Thursday night, the DT position finally broke through, getting great penetration and push, which allowed the LB's the ability hit the holes untouched. And the pressure the entire line provided all night allowed our CBs and Safeties to play more lose.
The interior D-line play on Thursday night was the most impressive part of the game.
Posted by: miamipete | November 27, 2006 at 14:59
Chuck Amato was a DL coach for FSU, not DB coach and definitely not an offensive coordinator. And it would be pretty damn funny if Butch Davis skipped out of UNC to go to Alabama. As far as all the questions concerning who Shannon would have as OC...I'm pretty sure every coach with hopes of being a head coach one day has a mental coaching staff he'd assemble that's based of talks with other coaches and guys he's watched and realistically could potentially hire. So its not like he'd be twiddling his thumbs not sure what to do with the OC job. Remember as well all the guys who are getting fired will be looking to get hired and OC for the Canes is a good spot to rebuild a resume for another HC job. Arizona State's old head coach is a potential OC with that reasoning and anything's possible at this point.
Posted by: Esteban | November 27, 2006 at 15:00
what about R.Phillips and Glen Sharpe? I thought Phillips had his best game as a cane. All of us in the stands were holding our breath when Sharpe went down in the 4th. I Remember when a bunch of you guys were cursing shannon for playing meriweather at CB. Well he was plugged in instead of any of the the back up cb's and he held strong til g.sharpe came back later in the 4th. It was pretty clear we found a MLB for keeps. Dixon also got a great push late into the game eventhough he was about to pass out after every BC series.
Posted by: one tyme | November 27, 2006 at 15:08
I would not put it pass Butch to skip out on NC if possible for the Bama job which Shula should have never had! It is well documented Butch is a whoe for the $$$$$$. If Shannon is not given the HC job does he go with Butch?
Posted by: vince | November 27, 2006 at 15:15
1. Schianio
2. Mariucci
3. Leach
4. Tulsa guy
5. Spurrier
Posted by: Jake | November 27, 2006 at 15:15
yeah if Dixon could play for any stretch of time he'd be something serious. If he can get dedicated to getting in somewhat decent shape and Sharpton continues to improve then the middle of the defensive front should be looking real good next year.
Posted by: Esteban | November 27, 2006 at 15:17
I dont know what scout is thinking listing Harbaugh as a longshot candidate for Miami. That guy is a tool.
Posted by: RoboCane | November 27, 2006 at 15:18
Canechic you are right! I was dead serious about going but I don't think we can do it. I had no idea it would be that expensive. I have been out west before. Jackson Wy has to be one the most beautiful places on earth and I would expect Boise to be no different, but I can't afford it!
Esteban,
I meant BEST DL coach. Lost my noggin there. He DL's were rediculous. He wasn't a bad LB coach either...
Posted by: Dennis | November 27, 2006 at 15:19
HOW ABOUT CHRIS PETERSON AS OUR NEXT COACH
Posted by: VICK | November 27, 2006 at 15:20
Joe's critique is accurate but not completely informed. WE don't know how much of a chance Shannon and or Coker were giving Cook et al. I, however, still wonder why they didn't give Bryant or WW the same chance. That's a mystery I would like to see solved.
The more look at it, Shannon has to be the man. None of these other guys know Miami football and Florida football like Shannon. The only thing Shannon needs is a serious OC, and I have no idea who that person would be.
I'd take Peterson before Grobe and all the other yahoos. They've all had more talent, better facilities. Houston Nutt is absurd. He was about to lose his job this year. Grobe is good but he's benefiting this year from a very weak ACC and a bunch of seniors all over his squad. Any other year Miami would bust his players just like every other year, even with Coker. Grobe is no rising star.
Peterson, Patterson and maybe Kragthorp.
Just look at the numbers.
Posted by: Cavaleer | November 27, 2006 at 15:21
You're a loyal guy? Sweet -- Well, just don't go firing your staff one morning after a string of bad articles...and please don't keep calling schmucks who did that -- to very competent people, BTW (see Don Soldinger and Art Kehoe)
classy and nice...
Besides, OKelly, you ARE too nice for the type of HC we need.
Canes, baaby
Posted by: ameriCANE | November 27, 2006 at 15:21
My post from the previous blog....The facts speak loudly and clearly.
Sooooo, Legion where do we stand???
Schiano's gone.
Spurrier, I highly doubt will leave. He's only a year or two away from beating UF and contending for the SEC. He's got a great nucleus, and with a few real QBs and a WR or two more, he'll be rolling.
I still say the NFL assistants are staying in the NFL and waiting for NFL HC positions, of which there will be a few this year. AZ, PITT, MN, SF, OAK and I'm sure some others.
No HC in the NFL with Gruden's or Fisher's record is coming to coach 17 year olds. Fuhggetaboutit.
So that leaves us SHANNONE, PETERSON, PATTERSON AND KRAGTHORP.
The only question I have about Patterson is would he want the job???? There have been vacancies over the last few years and he's stayed put, much less challenging though less promising openings, granted, but I've never heard his name thrown in the hat for ANY vacancies. Maybe he's happy where he is....
Also, Patterson's squad lost back to back to BYU and Utah this year, by double digits in both cases. BOISIE, however, smashed Utah 36-3. Hmmmmmm.....
Which leaves is with Shannon, Kragthorp and Peterson.
Not having seen Tulsa play I can't comment on how they look as an offensive/defensive unit. They've had some interesting wins and some surprising losses since Kragthorp took over. The offense seems to be good not great since he's been there, granted the fact that he inherited a 1-11 team his first year. They almost had a 4 game losing streak this year but beat Tulane to end it. Hmmmm....
That brings us to Peterson.
What's most interesting is that since Peterson has been at Boisie they have played Hawaii 5 times, Tulsa twice, Fresno 4 times and TCU once, losing only once to Fresno in '05, and beating them all scoring at least 27 or more points in each, but usually scoring 40 or more in each game.
Here's the breakdown...
2001
Boisie 28 Boisie 41
Hawaii 21 Tulsa 10
2002
Boisie 58 Boisie 52 Boisie 67
Hawaii 31 Tulsa 24 Fresno 21
2003
Boisie 27 Boisie 31 Boisie 45 Boisie 34
Tulsa 20 Fresno 17 Hawaii 28 TCU 31
2004
Boisie 45 Boisie 33 Boisie 69
Tulsa 42 Fresno 16 Hawaii 3
2005
Boisie 44 Boisie 7
Hawaii 41 Fresno 27
2006
Boisie 41 Boisie 45
Hawaii 34 Fresno 21
That's 15-1 against the teams some say have coaches who should be considered before Peterson, with an average of around 40 points per game scored by Peterson's offense.
OMAR, check these numbers and tell me who the best candidate is for the U.
PLUS, Dennis Erickson called Boisie, "The most physical team in the conference."
That's not run and shoot offense brothers.
That's smash-mouth football on both sides of the ball.
And since Dan Hawkins is basically clueless with a talented but underutilized Colorado team playing in a very weak Big 12 conference, it's clear Peterson was the real force behind this team for the last five seasons.
BTW, this is Boisie's 5th straight conference championship.
Say what you want gentlemen, but only Randy Shannon brings more to the table among available coaches.
Posted by: Cavaleer | November 27, 2006 at 15:25
AmeriCane, Coker plays that nice guy image to the hilt. BUT everyone forgets how he tried to use two very successful men as the scapegoat for his own ineptitude.
Yet, he's so effin classy and nice. BULLSHYT.
Posted by: Cavaleer | November 27, 2006 at 15:26
Jake, i'm going to react to your list just cause its the latest one and I don't feel like making one myself.
1) Schiano - not against him coming in. I do think Shannon would be more cost effective and probably just as good of a hire. Schiano serves as his own DC at Rutgers - just something to throw out there.
2) Mariucci - Didn't handle 49ers spot very well or Lions spot very well. Could argue that the front offices set him up for failure in both spots, but was known to be soft on players in both spots and offenses sucked too badly for an offensive specialist. And if Michigan State doesn't want him and he's from that area and buddies with b-ball coach then that says something.
3) Leach - I like what he's done with Texas Tech. They got the leftovers of Texas and play some good ball. His personality seems weird, but whatever works is good with me. Wouldn't like to see that offense being played here at Miami and that's his offense he's played everywhere he's been so I'd assume he'd bring it here, too.
4) Tusla Guy (kranthorpe i believe is his name) - If you don't know his name and I don't know his name that means neither of us has probably seen Tulsa play. I know I have seen maybe a quarter of Tulsa ball this year and couldn't watch more than that and changed the channel. I could never want him to be our coach just cause I don't know his work - can't be totally against him for the same reason.
5)Spurrier - would be great if he came here. One thing we forget about Spurrier is that he always made sure he was smart enough to bring in a good TB. And his defenses with South Carolina have been tough so that's something to worry about.
Posted by: Esteban | November 27, 2006 at 15:30
HEY, Does anyone know if Butch is Considering the Bama Job?????? I am up here in Chapel Hill and would LOVE to Rag these guys!
Posted by: Joe Canes 22 | November 27, 2006 at 15:32
Hey Cav, Be careful what U quote from Erickson. You never know when he may be under the influence.
I think what Grobe did at Sherwood Forrest was pretty impressive. You never know, he may be the Robin Hood we need.
Posted by: RoboCane | November 27, 2006 at 15:34
"Alumnicane-
It's pretty obvious right now why there more interested in Schiano.....He has led to program from nothing to top 20 footballl at a school that for the first time this year played a ranked football team while they where also ranked......
-Shannon has been the HC where?....."
And before he was at Rutgers, Schiano was a HC where? If we're comparing apples to apples, Shannon and Schiano are virtually the same, save for one important factor: Shannon will most likely be leaving in the near-term if he's not the head coach this time. I don't think he's going to wait 6 years for the next round of musical chairs at UM. Losing him will hurt, both in terms of recruiting and defensive schemes.
Like I said before, unless we're going for a coach that will bring a high-powered offense to the table, Shannon has to be the man. Anyone else would be a high priced doppleganger. Just because ESPN is in love with Schiano doesn't make him the second coming of Schnellenberger.
Posted by: AlumniCane | November 27, 2006 at 15:35
The only candidate outside of the program I'd cosider is Mike Leach. If he decides not to come, I'd give the job to Randy Shannon. What does Greg Schiano have that Randy does not?
Posted by: Gabriel | November 27, 2006 at 15:37
HC experience.
Posted by: Esteban | November 27, 2006 at 15:38
i want Shannon as the HC, but that was an easy one Gabriel.
Posted by: Esteban | November 27, 2006 at 15:39
Here, this is a run-down list of changes…
A rundown of Division I-A head coaching changes for the 2007 season:
A Change At The Top
TEAM
OLD COACH
NEW COACH
Alabama
Mike Shula
Arizona State
Dirk Koetter
Cincinnati
Mark Dantonio
Florida International
Don Strock
Iowa State
Dan McCarney
Miami
Larry Coker
Michigan State
John L. Smith
Mark Dantonio
North Carolina
John Bunting
Butch Davis
North Carolina State
Chuck Amato
North Texas
Darrell Dickey
Posted by: LyquidEnigma | November 27, 2006 at 15:40
Cavaleer,
Thanks for the logic....
Posted by: dg | November 27, 2006 at 15:43
can add Iowa State's new coach to that list Lyquid. Texas' DC got that job. Gene Chizcik.
Posted by: Esteban | November 27, 2006 at 15:44
Chzick just got named HC at Iowa St.
Posted by: IN_Cane | November 27, 2006 at 15:45
You guys should see Butch In his Carolina sweater up here LOL. I would buy lunch for our entire "Tar Heel" office if he switched to Bama.
Posted by: Joe Canes 22 | November 27, 2006 at 15:46
The more I watch the goings-on, the more I'm liking RS for Head Coach... while I did NOT like his interview with Omar a while back... he's been with this program like no one else, he KNOWS defense... and we all know, defense wins championships... and had we had ANY offensive production at all, we'd have had a chance THIS year.
Randy KNOWS the SO. FL. area, (Go Norland Vikings!), and recruits this area well. Pass over him for HC and he will be gone... too many vacancies out there for him to stay as an Asst.
Go with RS... bring in a new AGGRESSIVE OC and we're back my friends. (And probably for a discount as well.)
THE SOONER THE BETTER!
Posted by: roachcane77 | November 27, 2006 at 15:47
oh and Omar, when skiing remember to go real fast down hill. Talk about a rush! I didn't know how to stop when going real fast but it was worth the tumbling that happened at the bottom of the slope.
Posted by: Esteban | November 27, 2006 at 15:48
Butch went for the coin and look where he is....Bama is a win now and win big program. That's what they get for screwing over Croom for Don's kid.
Posted by: dg | November 27, 2006 at 15:49
My vote remain's Randy Shannon. With Greg Schiano's attitude to this vacancy let him stay at Rutgers. When Urban Meyer was prsented the Florida opportunity, he ran to it with open arms, and his team then was doing much better than Rutgers is doing now.
Rutgers will soon facing reality, look at their record and see where they are ranked now. Does anyone believe Rutgers is going to be a power house team within the next three years?
The South Florida recruits will start coming back to Miami, which will leave only the bottom pile after USF recruits follwed by UCF.
Other than, Larry Coker, the past three Miami Head Coaches, like their players had an easy ticket to the NFL.
The U program is what it is, TAKE it or Leave it. Forget about Schiano!
Posted by: HVJ | November 27, 2006 at 15:49
Cav, a three alums (of the football program) have been high on Mike Shula today...
let Randy be Randy (they worked together on the Fins, no?),
and leverage the Shula name for the benefit of the program and getting back to being QB U...
whatever...I'm just psyched Corker's going going gone...
LC coaching in Boise is like a tree falling in the forest...if no one's there to see it, does it really matter?
(FYI flights are running about $700 per person right now from MIA -- obviously no non-stops -- can anyone find it for less?)
CANES
Posted by: ameriCANE | November 27, 2006 at 15:51
WE DO NOT NEED SOMEONE FROM THE PROGRAM. We need someone to change the Face of our program. Schiano was only a DC just like Shannon but the difference is that Schiano got his chance with a program that has none of the expectations that THIS job Brings. Shannon needs to prove himself just as much as Schiano did at Rutgers. Let him do something with FIU or a similiar program. Dont get me wrong, I think the guy deserves a shot at HC but if he comes in and wins 8 Games YOU GUYS will buy his plane ticket.
Posted by: Joe Canes 22 | November 27, 2006 at 15:52
i guarantee a NC in '07 if Randy Shannon is named HC.
Posted by: Esteban | November 27, 2006 at 15:56
Hey, just sign RS for a one year deal, (with incentives)... let him prove his worth and if it doesn't work out, we move on and don't have a big buyout to worry about.
My guess is he'll prove his worth and get an extension...
Posted by: roachcane77 | November 27, 2006 at 15:57
We gotta move quickly though... waiting till January will hurt us no matter who we pick.
Posted by: roachcane77 | November 27, 2006 at 15:59
Esteban,
I want Shannon to get his chance as bad as anyone, but a NC in 07 is pushing my friend. I would say the ACC Championship at tops. "Unless" he gets some high octane OC in here. He should be ballsy and bring in some high School OC...that would shock everyone...
Posted by: LyquidEnigma | November 27, 2006 at 15:59
recruiting players to commit 4/5 years to a program make 1 year deals pretty much non existant.
Posted by: Esteban | November 27, 2006 at 16:00
Esteban.... You always have good input but an NC in 07? What happens if he flops? Then we start with the (No Head Coaching Experience) Blast on the President and AD. I definitly don't agree with the 1 year deal. That is wasting time and Money. Look what happened to Chuck Amato up here.
Posted by: Joe Canes 22 | November 27, 2006 at 16:00
I think the thing some of us are forgetting when we talk about some of these possible candidates is Shalala's letter. It was adament that the new coach have Miami connections, something that ties him to the area and/or school. In fact, her letter was more adament about that than HC experience.
I wonder if the guy from SoFla is getting any attention.
Oh, and Schiano's got another game to play, so he's definitely keeping his lid tight. That and his wife supposedly hated living in Miami.
Posted by: miamipete | November 27, 2006 at 16:01
Lyquid, i typed that with a big grin on my face. But hey you never know. With so many guys back on defense it wouldn't take much for us to be playing for it all.
Posted by: Esteban | November 27, 2006 at 16:02
miamipete, with all the money he'll be making here at UM he could buy himself a hot young cuban wife! leave the old lady in jersey with the cold weather and the NYC wannabe's.
Posted by: Esteban | November 27, 2006 at 16:04
SEE! Esteban ALLWAYS comes back with something correct and accurate : ) I might do that myself!
Posted by: Joe Canes 22 | November 27, 2006 at 16:07
Cavaleer,
PETERSON WASN'T THE COACH OF BOISE STATE when they won those games you listed. He's coached one year. Giving him credit for Hawkins' win is like giving Coker credit for Davis' wins or giving Norm Chow all the credit for USC's success.
We don't know a lot about Peterson. Saying he's the best after one season is like saying Coker was the best coach in the country after 2001.
Posted by: Joe | November 27, 2006 at 16:09
okay, y'all i'm just $hit talking. i'm required to do a certain amount each month to retain my citizenship to the country of Miami Dade while living out the country in Maryland. I'm up here speaking a mixture of spanglish and creole, too, to earn extra points.
Posted by: Esteban | November 27, 2006 at 16:09
hey, pete maybe your little nugget about Donna's letter will FINALLY put the kaebosh on the Norm Chow talk.
Posted by: ameriCANE | November 27, 2006 at 16:10
Where do you guys think Coker ends up?
Posted by: Joe Canes 22 | November 27, 2006 at 16:11
Coker is on his way up to Chapel Hill.
Posted by: Esteban | November 27, 2006 at 16:16
I suppose that if an HC with no ties to Miami comes and retains Mario or RS or another strong recruiting assistant, then that would work too. I'm sure the admin is open to all possibilities, but that connection seems to put the candidates in a certain order of priority, with Schiano the leading guy...At least that's what I took from the letter.
Posted by: miamipete | November 27, 2006 at 16:16
The big reason Schiano has a leg up on Shannon is because of his six years' experience as a head coach. Schiano has already learned from the same mistakes Shannon would probably make as HC. I think the athletic dept. will be hesitant to hire someone without head coaching experience, especially after the Coker fiasco.
Posted by: SDCane2K | November 27, 2006 at 16:17
at least we won't have any more of those stupid BBQ ads with him TRYING to be natural and funny...
even Butch's local cable ads were better than Larry's...
That's something you positrons never understood thru all this
-- WE aren't anti-UM/
crappy fans/
nor always negative --
we just hated where LC was taking the program...and now he's done -- MERCY
I'll cut the new guy slack --
How long are U willing to give him?
GO CANES
Posted by: ameriCANE | November 27, 2006 at 16:19
i'll cut the new guy slack as long as he wins.
Posted by: Esteban | November 27, 2006 at 16:21
I think if we hire Randy S as the head coach we are guranteed a minimimum of a 10-2 record next year, and believe it or not a Miami 10-2 will be good enough to make it to a BCS game, and oh by the way we would definitely win the ACC. In three years, with Randy Shannon as HC, there will be a NC back at the U where it belongs. Talk about swagger, the only coach I see that can bring that word back to the U in a HURRY is Randy. Any other coach will have to take time. In case we forgot, it was Randy's D that really always had the "Reload" word true, no matter how many prospects we lost each year to the NFL we always had (still do) replacements on D.
Posted by: HVJ | November 27, 2006 at 16:22
The new coach better have his act together fast. Canes play in Norman, OK, on 9/8/07.
Posted by: SDCane2K | November 27, 2006 at 16:26
Sorry if this has been posted
That guy is a prick!
http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/9830245
Posted by: Egypt | November 27, 2006 at 16:26
It is confirmed, half my office went and saw Davis do his interview up here. I still say he breaks it by Friday LOL! I bet Coker does come up here to be the OC.
Posted by: Joe Canes 22 | November 27, 2006 at 16:27
Omar,
I am going to use your forum to send a message to the "Hiring Committee":
My Message:
If any candidate mentions the facilities, don't hire them.
Why do Professional Athletes want to work out at such "bad facilities"? Because if you are hungry, extra padding on weight benches don't matter!!!
Keyword: Hungry
All athletes that are serious about training, don't want fluff. We want the bare minimum to give us an edge. A fluffy weight room makes you "soft".
If you want to add some machines to the weight room, add them for the purpose of re-hab. If you don't believe me, ask anybody that is into working out. I am approaching 20 years.
Herbstreit and the other analyst taking about facilities don't "train" seriously, so they don't understand.
That being said, if the facilities are below the teams in the top 25-50, then you have to upgrade to keep you on par.
If you want to spend money, here are a list of things on my holiday shopping list:
1.spend it on a bubble for indoor practices during hurricane season (thunder storms).
2. spend money on nutrition
3. trainers to help players return from injury
Posted by: rrdub | November 27, 2006 at 16:29
HVJ,
You guarentee an ACC Title with Shannon? That means a lot. Thanks for the insight.
As for the swagger, are you looking for the swagger Shannon's D had in the second half against Louisville and Virginia Tech? Is that the "swagger" you're talking about?
And I thought the whole team would re-load for years, not just the defense. Five big-time running backs consecutively doesn't constitute reloading? How about 3 straight tight ends? Andre Johnson replacing Wayne and Moss? Fact is, for years, the entire team reloaded every year. That's why the entire team was great for years.
Posted by: Joe | November 27, 2006 at 16:30
Barrow will be the next LB coach???
Posted by: Lou of M | November 27, 2006 at 16:30
I guess you are right, esteban...anything less than 59 straight at the OB is unacceptable!!
;P
Posted by: ameriCANE | November 27, 2006 at 16:31
I meant Georgia Tech, not Virginia Tech, in my previous post.
Posted by: Joe | November 27, 2006 at 16:31
joe, get over it already...RC is not the reason we s*cked this year or any in the past for that matter ---
Just please, let me know how many more times you gotta rip on Coach Shannon.
That way I won't pay attention to whatever you write until after that number...
GO GO
GO CANES
Posted by: ameriCANE | November 27, 2006 at 16:35
Everyone who endorses RS never brings up our offense. What makes you think the offense is going to change that much with RS in charge that we will be 10-2? Also what o coordinator is going to come to a place that has a rookie head coach and fans with a short memory? Does he have contacts in the coaching world since he has never really left South Florida area?
What is so wrong with him cutting his teeth elsewhere and coming back in 6 years when this coach either moves on or we run him out of town?(no coach lasts more than 6 at the U)
How did you feel when Coker was hired? I know my thoughts at the time were I wish we had Schiano and I am glad Coker is not calling the plays anymore.
Posted by: Sonny Rube | November 27, 2006 at 16:35
ameriCANE,
I was ripping HVJ's ridiculous post, not Randy Shannon.
Posted by: Joe | November 27, 2006 at 16:36
fluffy weight rooms don't make people soft. losing the edge can happen in run down facilities or state of the art ones. work ethic and discipline aren't tied to inanimate objects. the pro athletes don't come to UM's weight room because its run down. they go there because its full of people that got a tremendous work ethic and they will push everyone else to work as hard as them. its the people, you take the same people with tremendous work ethics and put them in a nicer spot and other people will still be attracted to them because they want to be pushed. its the people that make it great not the other way around.
Posted by: Esteban | November 27, 2006 at 16:37
No one seems to have the guts to step up and show interest in the job. Can't imagine that the pressure cooker in the shadow of Bear Bryant is a better situation than Miami.
I fear the long this process drags on, the more verbal commits and prospectives will waver. I hope Dee and company are on the ball on this.
Posted by: canzfan | November 27, 2006 at 16:38
my bad, Joe...I definitly have A.D.D today and not just here on Omar's blog ---
sorry, bloss
Posted by: ameriCANE | November 27, 2006 at 16:38
no one in D1 really can show interest, czfan -- at least not yet...
Posted by: ameriCANE | November 27, 2006 at 16:39
You people need to stop complaining about the facilites. The 'Canes have done just fine with those facilities in the past.
And don't use that whole "the culture of college football has changed" argument. It hasn't changed over the last three years.
Posted by: Joe | November 27, 2006 at 16:40
Joe, those were recruits of the previous administration you mentioned and I am referring to Randy's tennure at the U.
Considering the inexperience level of DB's in those games you mentioned compared to where they are now. My money remains with Randy.
Posted by: HVJ | November 27, 2006 at 16:41
Joe you've been ripping Randy Shannon for like 2 or 3 weeks now constantly. You might have been doing it before that but not constantly like you have of late. Instead of arguing against him, argue in favor of someone for a change.
Posted by: Esteban | November 27, 2006 at 16:41
Hey all,
In terms of coaching, the front runner right now has got to be Randy Shannon, but I know it won't happen. If the administration had an real interest from hiring within, they would not have hired Chuck Neinas who is the best of the best in terms of getting who you want. You don't pay him unless you really want someone who is "unavailable."
I do believe however that Randy Shannon gets a pay bump, as well as the title of "associate head coach" by the new head coach.
I think we should focus our strength on pursuing a much more offensive minded coach. I like Schiano, but he is sort of redudant. Another Defensive genius to add to the ones we already have. I think we need a strong offensive coach who will:
1. Fire the current staff, except cristobal. They had there shot, and nothing happened...
2. Emphasize qb play. Our weakest part of the offense is the qb position. I would say offensive line, but they have been improving throughout the year...its the qb play that has gotten worse.
3. Recruit well. We already have great recruiters on the team, but we need a head coach with some fire who can go into the living room of a recruit and walk out with a commitment.
My preferences for Candidates:
1. Cam Cameron - I am very happy Omar actually mentioned this guy. I love the way he coaches and his fire on the sideline...he won't come however, b/c he is going to be a head coach in the NFL soon...
2. Steve Kragthorpe - I love this guy's play calling...I made it a point to watch one of Tulsa's games, and he is not afraid to go long and often. I think his schemes would fit well with our skill players...haven't heard much about his recruiting though....
3. Jeff Tedford - gotta love this guy. He is a great recruiter and his offenses speak for themselves...my only qualm is how he will do against much better ACC defenses...
4. Rod Chudzinski - Another San Diego guy who will be looking to move up...He is the essense of discipline and I don't he would have problems recruiting....
5. Paul Johnson - he has done a great job at Navy with subpar athletes...
Posted by: Sam | November 27, 2006 at 16:42
it was you, Joe ---
cut that sheet about Randy out already!
Go Canes
Posted by: ameriCANE | November 27, 2006 at 16:46
Joe, do you think we would have had least 3 wins if wasn't for Randy's adjustments during this season? This D was ranked in the top 10, if I am not mistaken, all of this season. Do you think it's a coincidence or that we have such great atheletes on the deffense?
Posted by: HVJ | November 27, 2006 at 16:46
I am going home tonight and if I can take the NCAA 07 version of DUKE to a Bowl Game I am throwing my name in the Hat for HC.
Posted by: Joe Canes 22 | November 27, 2006 at 16:46
Is there any big name coach that wants to come to miami? It does not look that way. Miami is not a great coaching lob like it use to be, to much pressure and dislike.
Posted by: miami fan from michigan | November 27, 2006 at 16:47
I don't think Coker's mistakes were necessarily made because he didn't have previous HC experience. His most successful years were his first three - obviously. By the time the wheels came off and we were in free fall, Coker had had several years of HC experience. In theory, he should have had enough experience by then to identify and correct mistakes being made and problem areas. So, what led to the decline and the "Coker fiasco"??
I submit to the Legion that it was Coker's personality and basic make-up that doomed him from the start. The wild success of the first 2 or even 3 seasons caused apathy to set-in and the entire program got "fat & lazy". Players figured they were 4 or 5 star HS recruits and so just showing up with the UM uniform on got them to the BCS and into the nfl - not ALL the players, but more than enough. Coaches also seemed to lose that "fire in the belly". Coker does have a lot of positives about him - you don't get to be UM's HC if you don't...regardless of the how we feel about him now. BUT...his downside and what doomed us is that he does not have the personality to lead a program "from the ashes" and was in way over his head once the decline was recognized.
Reminds me so much of the Erickson years - wild success followed by subtle decline followed by disaster. Erickson got one more NC than Coker did, but also got us probation and enhanced the rep we still can't shake. Coker had to go, but at least we're clean.
My point...That certain people (coaches) are right for certain situations and so will succeed, but the same man may not make it in a different situation. Pretty basic so I'll add...NOT having HC experience should NOT be the sole criteria for eliminating a candidiate. Some guys with a lot of HC experience will NOT be the right fit for the U. It's an extremely tough call to make, but we've got to find the right mix of fire and experience. I, for one, hope we take a giant leap and make a bold move - Spurrier 1st choice with 4 year window & hand off to RS; RS 2nd choice...
Posted by: DallasTX Cane | November 27, 2006 at 16:50
sonny rube,
I am sure Shannon knew the offense was full of crap in the spring.
There are alot of things that happened lastyear that were not cool. I think we are interested in his opinion on what was wrong with this team.
I felt Coker was in denial about the offense. Like everything else, things don't fix themselves.
You know, since I am ranting- One more thing that pissed me off. The quotes from players that were upset that Coker was let go. Most of them were from the offense.
If they really felt that way, why didn't they try to save his job? All of the guys that were quoted on offense all underperformed.
Hey players, welcome to the real world!!!
Also, concerning the Coach Hiring Process:
They have to do an assessment of the Program, here are the programs ahead of Miami:
a. Ohio State
b. USC
c. Notre Dame
d. Florida
e. LSU
f. Auburn
g. Texas
The rest of the programs, Miami could compete with this year. But in terms of talent, Miami needs to upgrade the talent to compete with those teams. I think Miami could beat Florida(if the Canes heads are on straight)
Posted by: rdub | November 27, 2006 at 16:55
Folks, have anyone stopped to consider the reason these coaches that are shying away from the position just don't have the stomach for the expectations that come with the Miami Job. Even the great Steve Spurrier, is not looking forward to the pressures of the Miami job. He left Washington because he couldn't handle the pressure. The U is like a pro job. Remember back in 2000 when folks were even debating whether Miami could beat a pro team.
Posted by: HVJ | November 27, 2006 at 16:59
after long thought and analysis. the best choice for a number of reasons is randy shannon.
it would take an hour to list all the possible reasons why, but randy is the best choice going away!!!!!
Posted by: oldcane | November 27, 2006 at 17:03
randy -- plus an OC that can OC...
a couple LOCAL HS coaches...
it could work ---
'til another idea comes along
GOCANES
Posted by: ameriCANE | November 27, 2006 at 17:06
...jcanes22, in Heisman level (NCAA'07) the Canes have trouble beating ANYBODY but that Nevada pistol Offense is tough to stay back on...respect.
playing on the blue field on HDTV though get's pretty annoying after five or more games in a row --
I sub in 2nd team offense B4 the games for kicks...but Duke, they're not even fun to play they move so slow...
Posted by: ameriCANE | November 27, 2006 at 17:10
Although Randy Shannon may become a great head coach, we are not in a position to find out otherwise. The best possible situation is to hire Schiano and keep Shannon (as associate head coach) and Cristobal. It is best for continuity and recruiting. It brings excitement to a program that needs to change a false image (important to the Board and administration) to those who believe most of the national media.
Posted by: canes25 | November 27, 2006 at 17:12
Actually I wanted to mention the same, about Local HS coaches as OCs at the U. There are some great minds in our back yard and trust me these guys know what pressure is.
Posted by: HVJ | November 27, 2006 at 17:14
as long as we get a head coach that will get on the players asses for messing up and make them run and run and run and run until they puke we will be back on top
Posted by: caness2006 | November 27, 2006 at 17:15
Someone mentioned the need to address the O if voicing support for RS has next HC...
I acknowledge that the OC is a much more important position if the HC comes from the D side of the ball. I submit that RS needs to have a well thought-out plan for the O including who the best man is for the OC job. I don't know and don't think anyone on this board knows what RS thinks is needed to "fix" the O or who the best OC is for that job. I am SURE RS has an opinion AND plan to address the O. Remember, our best HCs have come from the D side in the past. Coker came from the O side. I think it's silly to say the D is fine but the O sucks so we MUST hire a HC with an O background.
I think the interplay is more complicated. Will RS stay on as DC depending on who the new HC is? Is there a DC "in the wings" that can do the job RS has done if he does leave? If we do hire RS or any coordinator, who is going to be the OC? Who is responsible for coaching up the QBs and WRs - pretty much everyone agrees those are the 2 biggest areas of disappointment??
So...I will admit that, ON THE SURFACE, hiring RS does not address the O. The main, #1 problem though is the leadership at the top and the direction for the program that person sets. Hiring RS absolutely addresses that problem. From there, its his responsibility to address the O and the O coaching. Now, IF I were doing the hiring...the answer to THAT question would determine if RS got the job or not.
Posted by: DallasTX Cane | November 27, 2006 at 17:19
I completely agree with DallsTx characterization of the U's decline. I think RS was aware of it, and that's why his side of the ball remained at a high level. I also think the success clouded our judgement in recruiting. Having some limitations, like now, may encourage the coaches to look for the "right" player instead of the "hot" player.
Posted by: miamipete | November 27, 2006 at 17:20
Donny Soldinger + Southridge = LEGEND
Get one of the young guys from Dade (Roland Smith?) and another from WPB...
Lakeland?
I know I'm dreaming,
but it IS almost Christmas...
CaneTime, Legion, peace!
Posted by: ameriCANE | November 27, 2006 at 17:20
Folks, any coach we get other than Randy Shannon, I don't see Randy Shannon hanging around. The time for Randy to make his move is now, him hanging around to see if the Miami Job re-opens up later make NO common sense.
Posted by: HVJ | November 27, 2006 at 17:21
...oh, and Pete, BTW: RS is MUCH better than average when it comes to recruiting...without question.
Posted by: ameriCANE | November 27, 2006 at 17:21
Your right 06, need someone who will be in complete control and when we hold up 4 fingers at the start of the 4th quarter, we believe it belongs to us.
Posted by: canes25 | November 27, 2006 at 17:22
Randy will get a shot somewhere else. He just needs to be careful what job he takes.
Posted by: canes25 | November 27, 2006 at 17:24
Sam,
Fire Tim Walton??? Think he's done a pretty good job for us, wouldn't want to replace him.
Posted by: canzfan | November 27, 2006 at 17:28
I hate the idea of losing RS to another team.
Posted by: miamipete | November 27, 2006 at 17:28
If not Shannon, the best candidate with recent great results for turning a program around is Jeff Tedford at Cal. Here's a guy that inherited a 1-10 team a few years ago. Last year his QB Ayoob was his downfall. This year, he gets another guy and does pretty well until the ASU meltodown. But considering what the program was before he arrived, he's got them firmly behind Pete Carrol and USC in the PAC-10.
I say the realistic list for A: most likely to happen, and B: probablity for success would be:
1.) Randy Shannon
2.) Barry Alvarez
3.) Jeff Tedford
Google Alvarez's and Tedford's resume's and see what I'm talking about.
Posted by: Frank | November 27, 2006 at 17:29
With the injuries to Ron Brown,Jeno James, Micheal Lehan, Travares Tillman, Keith Newman, and Will Allen do we have the ability or talent left to replace these men? Injuries seem to be one of the biggest problems with the offense. I am a bit upset that there is not enough concern of these injuries, and focus is still on Culpepper. Culpepper is not coming back this year, so we need to focus more on what is now relative to the game.
Losing Brown is going to hurt us big time. The running game allows the passing game to open up, and visa versa. I do not expect the Super Bowl, but I would like to see continued growth or continuity of the team. Harrington is showing confidence, and that could be lost if the key offensive players are injured.
I also understand that three of the guys I mentioned are questionable for Sunday's game, but playing hurt affects the team's performance as a whole.
Earlier someone mentioned abolishing the 4 man rush, and doing as Pittsburg and others have done with their game plans. I see the four man rush as effective as it has been from the beginning. We are rated No. 5 in defense, and probably would have been rated higher if we would have came alive sooner. This is where I said, and still believe that any play or scheme cannot work without performing it effectively. Performance is mostly on the players, but it does lie in the coaching as well. If we can effectively continue in defense, and continue in their effort in becoming effective. There is a chance for this team to become what they should be. Though we will need to make some definite changes in certain positions.
What do you think Dude?
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