The Saban to Alabama saga
Here is what I know: If Nick Saban takes the Alabama offer that is coming sometime Monday or Tuesday, he will go down as the biggest liar since Bill Clinton.
If Nick Saban takes the Alabama job he will have sealed his legacy in the NFL as a failure and a quitter on football's grandest stage.
If Nick Saban takes the Alabama job he will be admitting that he is not ready for success in the major leagues and he is a lifetime minor leaguer.
If Nick Saban leaves the Dolphins with three years remaining on his contract he will have told all his players -- present and future -- that it doesn't matter what document you put your name to, you can get out of it if you have a good attorney. So go ahead and make a deal and then, if it's convenient to you, back on out.
And here is another thing I know: I think Nick Saban doesn't want to stand for any of those things I just wrote about.
He knows the stakes, he knows he can stay with the Dolphins and get another college job next year or the year after or the year after if he wants. And by the way, there are much better situations to step into than the Alabama job where Bear Bryant's shadow is long and exceeded only by the reach the boosters have on the program.
If Saban leaves the NFL now, not having done what he set out to accomplish, it will be a looooong time before any other NFL team comes calling. Maybe never again. Can you say Lou Holtz?
So I believe Nick Saban will remain Miami's coach. I cannot say this unequivocably because he has never really opened up to anyone of my ilk (a reporter) enough so that we know the exact weave of his moral fabric.
But what little I know tells me that this good man, this good coach, will do the honorable thing -- that is, make his word his bond. He has told his players, his owner and his fans through the press, that he is not interested in coaching Alabama.
I believe him. I believe he'll continue to coach the Dolphins.
We'll see.
If Nick Saban takes the Alabama job he will have sealed his legacy in the NFL as a failure and a quitter on football's grandest stage.
If Nick Saban takes the Alabama job he will be admitting that he is not ready for success in the major leagues and he is a lifetime minor leaguer.
If Nick Saban leaves the Dolphins with three years remaining on his contract he will have told all his players -- present and future -- that it doesn't matter what document you put your name to, you can get out of it if you have a good attorney. So go ahead and make a deal and then, if it's convenient to you, back on out.
And here is another thing I know: I think Nick Saban doesn't want to stand for any of those things I just wrote about.
He knows the stakes, he knows he can stay with the Dolphins and get another college job next year or the year after or the year after if he wants. And by the way, there are much better situations to step into than the Alabama job where Bear Bryant's shadow is long and exceeded only by the reach the boosters have on the program.
If Saban leaves the NFL now, not having done what he set out to accomplish, it will be a looooong time before any other NFL team comes calling. Maybe never again. Can you say Lou Holtz?
So I believe Nick Saban will remain Miami's coach. I cannot say this unequivocably because he has never really opened up to anyone of my ilk (a reporter) enough so that we know the exact weave of his moral fabric.
But what little I know tells me that this good man, this good coach, will do the honorable thing -- that is, make his word his bond. He has told his players, his owner and his fans through the press, that he is not interested in coaching Alabama.
I believe him. I believe he'll continue to coach the Dolphins.
We'll see.
posted by Armando Salguero at 2:02 AM
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armando said...
"If Nick Saban leaves the Dolphins with three years remaining on his contract he will have told all his players -- present and future -- that it doesn't matter what document you put your name to, you can get out of it if you have a good attorney. So go ahead and make a deal and then, if it's convenient to you, back on out."
like no other coach or player has done this... his word...? has yet to be kept. he has shown his lack of being able to assess talent, utilize talent, creat unity or meld his players on the offense, to make the critical decisions that could have made this a fully functional team, and uses his wife and others to make excusses for his blunders. and now your talking about his credibility?
when he came here, he was said to be a demanding coach. well, where and what shows the demands he placed on his players and coaches performance? there is no signs of his dominance between him and his players. the offense looked as if they were out on the field for appearance sake.
as far as cleo being at qb, the offensive line is now showing some intent on playing. when harrington was at qb the o-line could or did not stop the opposing teams defense form being in his face 95% of the game.sure harrington did throw some poorly thrown balls, but the offense was not there for him. cleo steps in and now they are starting to protect the qb. bullshit. this should have been assessed from the very beginning.
so here we are at the end of the season now trying to play our best. give me a break. this is how we should haave started the year, not coming out and stating that we were not mentally into the game.we have mentally been out of the game offensively for 75% of the year why start now? is it to soften the blows saban will have to endure by the media and fans.
anyone can make a mistake, but saban is not new to the game. our we to give him the same opportunity we gave to that drug popping idiot ricky williams, who still has done nothing for this team and fans. other than show everyone how to get away with breaking rules and showing how big money players and coaches can get away with anything. what are we saying to the kids who idolize these idiots? and we are to feel the same way about saban.
if he does not go on his own accord, huzeinga should drop his him like the piece of shit he is.
no mre cry baby shit here. these fools get paid more than they deserve and should be accountable for there lack of execution. if you do not hold the headcoach accountable for lack od executing his position, then how can you do the same to any player. saban is still part of the team, and since he has shown to be one of the weakest links, remove his ass.
i cannot wait to hear what that asshole finndolfan or nydolfan84 has to say. what excuses do you have for him or your own stupidity. you fucken guys like to play the fantasy football bullshit by throwing names into positions. what you forget it is not one position that needs attention, so your feeble minded attemps to fill a spot means shit. no one on offense has shown the prowess that a professional ball player should on the field.
i feel like i am watching a jerry springer show where the moms come on stage crying my kids do not listen to me. if he cannot control the players, he cannot control the game. apparently there is a respect issue because if they respected his decisions, and place we would not be in this situation.
say goodbye saban... let us get someone here who truly wants to be a part of this winning organization now known to be a fuckin joke.
armando why is it you defend him staying by justifying his obligation to his contract, when he has yet to fullfil any of the ones from the very beginning. or are you still stuck on the luck premiss?
listening to this is like listening to the big 3 cry about their money woes. all the fucking rich people do is cry and expect pitty from those of us who work hard everyday and have nothing compared to them.
saban and ford should really hook up they really sound so much a like. ford cries that it is his labor force causing him to create his cuts, but everyone for gets that he has 80 to 90% of his automobiles built in other countries like mexico. the people of mexico make from 8 to 10 dollars an hour to build these cars. they are paid in meican dollars. do you know the currency rates between US and mexican dollars. well one US dolllar is equal to 11.53 dollars in peso's. so for what it costs ford for one american worker, he can pay close to 30 mexicans and still charge us at US dollars as if we made the cars here. the exchange rates in other countries where he builds his cars are even more in other countries as well.
the point i am putting across is why pay these babies so much fucking money when they do not deserve it. their job is a game, and there are plenty of men out there who would love the opportunity to play the game professionally, and do a better job at it without the mega bucks. they all want the big bucks but after they get it they feel all they have to do is show up. the guys who played in the 60's know the way it was and performed without the millions. we protect these guys so much from injury compared to guys back then. remember mercury morris whose career was ended because of using drugs because of the pain he endured playing? we did not have the medical know how of today, but he was crucified because of his need to lesson the pain to continue playing. so now like the guy above stated we have ricky williams who used drugs for the hell of it and we are so forgiving of him.
we need to get rid of the big dollars and get guys in here who love to play the game and appreciate that he can do something he always enjoyed playing as his job. i know i hate what i do, but i cannot make a living fishing, listening to music, or some of the other things i enjoy spending time doing. shit, we would all be rich if we could get paid for drinking beer and puffing cigarettes.
screw the idiots out here who think life exsists around watching grown men cry like fucking babies because their not making enough money or i am not getting enough respect. how many of you bust your ass daily, and get passsed ny on bonuses, promotions, or even acknowledgements of the effort you put into your job on a 385 day year, instead of 6 months? these guys act like the chumps they are because of the stupidity of the fans. even huzeinga knows he can pull shit over us and know we are dumb enough to continue backing his team, lining his pockets giving us shit in return.
and if someone says to stop supporting the team until he gets off his ass and does something, we hear; why would he listen to us? no money no team. and if he tries to move his team we do the same to the nfl organization. people forgot how much power they have because we are to busy sitting on our asses crying about what matters the least.
i am tired of supporting the rich, even if it is they who are providing something i can enjoy. i am not talking about a rich individual who is giving me what i am paying for, but the stinking filthy fucken rich who want everything for nothing. who has everything, but it is not enough till he has it all. oh wait... he does, but he is too greedy to notice.
motherfuck........ i try to explain this to my kids. my youngest boy is a natural in baseball. he can play any postion and his heart and soul are into every aspect of the game. I lothe the thought of him losing the love he has for the game, only to replace it with dollar signs, and greed. I tell him do not worry about the awards someone gets for the best palyer of the games or season, but kow that if you win the playoffs that you did your best the whole time. no one can take that from you. award or no award all will know by your actionson the field. this is what is lost when individuals becaome nfl players. now they're the big shots and all are to kiss their asses now or i will not play for you. remember ron brown earlier in this season holding out because of his contract? he has not even proven himself but wants the money,or more money than jason taylor or zack thomas makes. these guys do not have to prove a thing. they have done it since the very beginning, and even when our team looks and plays like shit, they are the two who shine out from the rest. why? because they love the game, the fans, and have respect .
Saban said the exact things, denial wise, when he swore he wasn't leaving Michigan State, and when he swore he wasn't leaving LSU. The Dolphins wooed him away from LSU with big money and ego massage, why didn't you think another school wouldn't come along and do the same thing? Why would Saban want to come back to the NFL? The NFL is about money and the College game is played for the love of the sport. Saban coaches in college to mold and shape young men (and to win of course).
As far as the NFL being more prestigous than college, I disagree. It much more difficult to win a national championship than win the Super Bowl. It is much more difficult to evaluate high school talent than college talent. It is much more difficult to get an 18 year-old to commit to your school than simply pick him on draft day. Ohh and, unlike recruiting, if don't like your talent in the NFL you just buy more.
Moving back to College, whether it the Alabama job or the Texas A&M job would be the right move for his career.
He'll coach one more year here and if he doesn't win, he'll walk away. He's a good coach who's had alot of b.s. to clean out when he took the team from Wanny. They went 9-7 and he thought he had a chance to win now, so he signed older players and took a chance on Culpepper. Even in last years draft he was taking guys more out of need then the best player. I think he'll see the error of his ways and go back to what he did his first year here. He'll go fix the O-line in FA, maybe even use his first pick on a tackle, then take the best player period. Next year he'll have Culpepper back and 100%, not to mention Ricky Williams, Tolede, amd Mckenney on offense. If all of those guys would have played the whole year this season, we'd be talking about their playoff opponent. Give the guy another year.
I hope anonymous doesn't work for the post office, because we might have an incedent brewing.
IT'S JUST A GAME,you do what you can do to your best ability and if that's all you can do, that's all you can do.they will make the changes they think they need to make for next year. FOR US FANS,IT'S JUST A GAME,ENTERTAINMENT nothing to lose major amounts of sleep over,JUST ENTERTAINMENT.
you problably go to games and hassle people of the other team,by shooting crap at them and starting fights!!!!!!!!! IT'S JUST A GAME, ENTERTANMENT,THAT'S BULL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Armando,I think that you are right,Saban will stay ,and he will have success.It could take longer than some people hope for,but you can see glimpses of the team we will have in miami.If Saban does jump ship,hey we move on to the next.You have to look forward, not dwell crying about the past.
fans need to cheer there team on and convey a positive atmoshere,not critisizing every unfavorable thing that happens.that's why detroit is the team and have the contraversey that they have there.
Miami is a proud francize and it would be terrible to stoop to that level.we all want to win and Saban is the man to bring us to that point.if we haggle Saban to death then I don't blame him for jumping ship.
Think your bias is showing a little bit here Armando......What you are describing happens everyday so I don't know why you label Saban such a horrible person should he leave early. In fact, look at Coker and his record, he didn't exactly get a fair shake. I think contracts now with coaches is like marriage, everyone goes into them with the attitude that if it does go exactly like I want it too, I can always find another one I like better. It is the society we live in. So please don't look at just one coach and try to make him the poster boy for a sudden burst of integrity from the mass media side. But I do forgive you and love your column.
"If Nick Saban takes the Alabama offer that is coming sometime Monday or Tuesday, he will go down as the biggest liar since Bill Clinton."
oh brother.
Hey armando,
I still think Saban is going to stay. My question is, why did the dolphins get the 9th pick in the draft? They lost to the texans, but pick behind them. The dolphins have a stronger strength of schedule than the texans, so I could understand if that was the reason why, but then the dolphins beat the vikings, but the vikings have a stronger strength of schedule than the dolphins. The vikings pick 7th. I just don't understand it.
Also, who do you think they'll target with that pick?
Funny - Bill Clinton lies about a blowjob and Bush lies about a war that's countless lives, and you choose the former for that comparison...you and the Intelligent Designer(s) bust be dippin into the kool aid again kid...how bout you stick to football and leave the politics out of it bud.
"If Nick Saban takes the Alabama offer that is coming sometime Monday or Tuesday, he will go down as the biggest liar since Bill Clinton."
--spoken like a true miami cubano
Dear Anonymous,
But I like politics and seem to understand it so much better than all you other folks that think Clinton having sex in the White House with someone that is not his wife is OK, but Bush going by the same intelligence Clinton trusted and believe in means he was lying. Get real.
Good ridance!Never saw a bold move from that coach(fake punt,fake field goal,going for it,surprise onside kick,going for two on the 1st td like coach Shula) in a way only boring boring endless gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaames!
Good bye and don't come back nick!
By the way armando stay out of politics you're pathetic!
Um, Armando... I hate to break it to you, pal, but Dumbya has lied about more than just Iraq.
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"I like politics and seem to understand it so much better than all you other folks that think Clinton having sex in the White House with someone that is not his wife is OK, but Bush going by the same intelligence Clinton trusted and believe in means he was lying."
Armando,
Forgive me for exposing how foolish you sound by saying that...Bill Clinton had the same intel AND DIDN'T GO TO WAR! its cuz he knew, just like dubya, that there was nothing to go to war for. Seriously bro, who needs to get real? Like I said, and as everyone seems to agree on here, remember, you're a sportswriter so stick to the football, I like you much better that way. But hey, its your blog...
And since this is really a sportsblog anyway, I'll drop my two sense on this saban mess- his terrible playcalling (or lack of will to overrule mularkey's playcalling), his personnel decisions from playing daunte too soon (i won't even get into taking him over brees) to not starting bell sooner, to not using ronnie enough, to the team's general low-energy demeanor...all those things speak more to his fundamental coaching instincts (they stink at the pro level) AND WILL NEVER CHANGE! I don't understand why owners spend big money on these college coaches, IT NEVER WORKS! Erickson, Spurrier, Holtz just to name a few. Sure it works for some guys (JJ's the only one that comes to mind right away) but thats the exception, not the rule. I say Wayne should shake Nick's hand, tuck a one-way ticket to Alabama in his coat pocket, and let's get a real NFL coach with real NFL experience so I don't have to be dissapointed every friggin year.
Armando:
John Dennis of Dennis and Callahan on WEEI up here in Boston (you have been a guest) keeps saying that he has it on good authority (one of his best sources) that Saban is hated by the players. Is this true?
When asked about Saban leaving, players did not seem to broken up about it with their comments in the paper. Many of them expressed "understanding" for leaving for such a lucrative Bama contract. Are the players secretly hoping for him to go?
if saban goes than he says he's not up to the challenge and he's all about the benjamins. But it definitely says both things and not just one.
Armando, if you really believe Bush just got bad intelligence then that says a lot. As a reporter I'd hope you'd be someone who seeks out the truth instead of believing the first excuse/reason given.
quitter. hypocrite. walks away from a difficult job.
and he did not even handle it professionally. blamed his wife and notified his owner via phone.
good luck alabama.
well this wasn't the decision I (or the owner) was hoping for. I was certainly wrong about the guy, in that I didn't think he was the type to take the easy way out. It certainly feels like he quit on this team. If his heart wasn't in this job like I thought it was, than he probably made the right decision. I still think he is a good coach, but he doesn't have the character that I thought he did. Its probably best to not look back and focus on what we all want, to win a Super Bowl.
I really hope we bring in an offensive minded coach to jump start our offense, which has underachieved since Jimmy Johnson was here. In my opinion there are more capable Defensive coaches than brilliant offensive-minds. It would be nice to grab a top assistant, but I don't know how many good ones are out there. I'm not a strong believer in Mike Martz. Wisenhunt from Pitt might be a good one. I still think Bobby Petrino is our best bet if we go to the college ranks. Coaching changes shuffle the whole organization. Whatever candidate Wayne H. decides to choose, he needs to restore the stability in the organization. Its no secret that we enjoyed great success with Shula, not only because we had a great coach, but having the same coach brings stability and every player and assistant coach knows whats expected of him.
With change at the helm comes change with the roster. Which may or may not be a good thing. The new regime will have to decide whether or not to retool or rebuild. The new coach may gut this entire roster of veterans. We will probably have a new schemes on both sides of the ball and they may want to start with some younger players that may be easier to mold. If this occurs we will lose talent and leadership. The Browns, Texans, and Raiders have been rebuilding for what seems 5 years. To me things could be worse than last year for a year or two, if the new regime decides to rebuild. If they decide to retool we may turn it around quick or the prolonged suffering may continue. We do have some quality veterans to build around. I'm unsure which is the right solution, we seem to have some certain holes. I'm sick and tired of not watching meaningful games down the stretch. Here is to hoping the powers to be make the right coaching decision, spend the cap money wisely, and draft the best players available.
What's everyone's opinion rebuild or retool?
"If Nick Saban takes the Alabama offer that is coming sometime Monday or Tuesday, he will go down as the biggest liar since Bill Clinton."
LOL. I yearn for the days gone by when the president lying about petty things like whether he committed adultry or not. These days when the president lies more than 100,000 people die. Oh wait, who gives a hoot about Iraqi lives...
A liar, a hypocrite, a weasel.
Hypothetical question: If a man cheats on his wife and then leaves his wife for the adulteress, how can the players belonging to that adulteress' team believe he'll be there for them?
His credibility... and recruiting clout... are gone.
"I believe him. I believe he'll continue to coach the Dolphins."
Wrong again, Armando. At least you're consistent.
Armando-
Your sports reporting and gut feelings are about as good as your Cuban wingnut take on politics. Worthless. Let Darlington take over.
Armando,
Its funny. You make some offhand remark, and arbitrarily use Clinton as an analogy, and everybody gets their panties ruffled.
BTW, Clinton was exposed as a proven liar who didn't have the intestinal fortitude to do what had to be done in that part of the world.
Bush inherited all the loose ends that Billy left behind and is doing the best he can with a hopeless situation.
As for Little Nicky, I'd just like to say "Relative to the outcome, go fug yourself." ;-)
The only person in Miami more stupid & pathetic than Nick Saban
is named Armando. Maybe you should join Nick and move out of town with him....your gut instinct
is terrible, so is your writing too. I miss Jason Cole.
Reading all this Miami area chatter, I gather that everyone down there in Miami is finally over the Mike Shula firing at Alabama. Well of course that is everyone except his father, Don Shula.
You know that the Dolphins are going to find an even better head coach for them that will bring the Dolphins back in the next few years. The Dolphin's owner Wayne Huizenga seems to be a class act.
it is amazing how people are chosen to be picked on when it comes to their opinion. Armando... you have been wrong over90% of what you predicted. Saban knew he could get out of a contrac by playing or coaching his team so poorly. He most likely knew of the opportunity, and used the Dolphins as a stepping stone. i know, if I were the person from a college hiring a headcoach, it would not be someone who cannot motivate, or demand excellence from his team. Especially the point he was inable to see that Culpepper was not ready to return. Unless Alabama knows something we do not, he'll be on his ass within the next two years. I wonder what his excuse will be then.
Armando... as far as politics you are even more lost. There is no comparison between Clinton and Bush. Bush is a lying theiving son of a bitch like his pappy bush. This war is due to Sadam telling daddy to kiss his asss, and those good ole' southern boys just cannot think one shit is in their brains.
Clinton's administration had more people working than since before the Reagan administration. People were starting to make money because he did no back the rich as fick head Bush. George Jr. has ties in the oil industry, and pappy has ties to the arms manufacturers, so they are making money hand over fist with their rich buddies. Mean while they allow ford motor company to build out side the USA. What happened to built in the USA? Nothing is built here. The rich want our money, but refuse to pay us what we need to live, or what these rich assholes would want to do this kind of work. So Bush and congress sells us out so the rich pay pennies on the dollar to other countries, and sells it to us as if they were paying union wages.
If you cannot see that Armando... you need to get back to school, or stop reading MAD Magazine.
YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the fuckup is gone...... poor saban backers... your fucken hero even fucked you in the ass. Oh... not saban... he won't leave. Not when he has us... right Nick?
OH!!!! Uh.. Nickie poo... why did you lie to me? Whaaaa... Whaaaa... i know.. i know off to albama he go...
Well, it turns out that Saban is even a bigger liar than Clinton ever was...he has been lying on the scale of George W. Bush, if that is possible! And silly Armando thought Saban was a man of integrity and would stay.
I believe him. I believe he'll continue to coach the Dolphins.
That goes perfectly with your belief in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy
More typical liberal BS from the mouths of South Florida babes.
The only way they know how to defend Billy Clinton is by bashing Bush. Why? Because they know they can't defend him. In addition to being an unrepentant liar, Clinton was the second biggest joke of a President. The peanut farmer was the first, but then you already knew that.
I also thoroughly enjoy how some of these bloggers throw out these bold assertions out there hoping they stick. Bush lied. Bush is in bed with the oil companies. Bush is in bed with Defense contractors. Etc. etc. etc. blah. blah. blah.
Oh and of course you have proof of all this right? No? Hello...
Also, I'd like to dedicate "Deacon Blues" by Steely Dan to Nick Saban.
Anonymous said...
More typical liberal BS from the mouths of South Florida babes.
The only way they know how to defend Billy Clinton is by bashing Bush. Why? Because they know they can't defend him. In addition to being an unrepentant liar, Clinton was the second biggest joke of a President. The peanut farmer was the first, but then you already knew that.
I also thoroughly enjoy how some of these bloggers throw out these bold assertions out there hoping they stick. Bush lied. Bush is in bed with the oil companies. Bush is in bed with Defense contractors. Etc. etc. etc. blah. blah. blah.
Oh and of course you have proof of all this right? No? Hello...
I do not know were you get your information, but maybe if Jed Bush was not dicking you in the ass day in and out, you and your other faglings would know. That the first biggest fuck up was electing pappy bush, and the second was voting georgie porgie the next fucked of kin.
I do not know why there is talk of the king of asses, bush. When this is about football. Saban lied, bottom line, I hope Alabama gets the same result he brought here... nothing.
I will not boast of my past bloggings on him. Now that he is gone, we need to focus on who will replace him, and major cuts on our team of those who do not perform. This will allow a large amount of money in our organization to pick up quality, and motivated individuals that will play.
One outstanding thorne in our side is Culpepper, and 6.5 million dollar paycheck he receives for nothing. We need to know now if he can return equally as good as he first played in Minn. No bull shit, or assumations, can he, or can he not. Otherwise, that is 7 million more we have to pick up quality players if we dump his ass.
The biggest question is...
...who is available, and is he willing to do what is necessary to win, not build his fucken ego like saban.
@armando: I don't think anyone is saying that Clinton's adultry was wrong but there is such thing as magnitude.
Stealing a candybar and committing first degree murder are not the samething. Neither are committing adultry and deciding to go to war with Iraq and then cherry picking intelligence to suit your end. Bill Clinton's mistake did not cost hundreds of thousands of lives.
Any way you slice it, GWB messed up big time. Lets dispense with the whole idealistic crock about spreading democracy. You will notice we are not invading North Korea (which really DOES have WMD), Sudan or Burma, all of which could use a healthy does of democracy. Pakistan also has WMD and is a true breeding ground for terrorism but we are not invading Pakistan either.
I'll take Clinton's mistakes over Bush's any day.
typo:
"I don't think anyone is saying that Clinton's adultry was wrong but ..."
should be "I don't think anyone is saying that Clinton's adultry was not wrong but ..."
nydolfan84...
With the changes in the headcoach, and his staff, and most likely getting a new GM, I would consider rebuilding than retooling.
With the aging defense, and lack of offense, it would be better to start from the ground up. It would be helpful to use the next year or two as a training or determination tool. It will allow us to see who fits into the new or exsisting play schemes, and a show of their ability.
In this fashion, we can train them on the playing field, and not burn them out, or injure them during the rebuilding. Utilize our older men on second and third string to assist the new members into their position. Many promising individuals come into the game during rebuilding, and get injured never to play again, or never play to the standards expected.
So, my opinion in a nut shell, rebuild, but let the backups take the blunt of the season so the new guys can become a strong new unit over the next two years. free of injury.
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