One reason Miami's special teams aren't special
So now all of Miami's players are going to be made available to play special teams because, well, Miami's special teams are production-challenged.
I can understand the grand desire to search the entire roster for special teams help, but why didn't the Dolphins consider the special teams in the offseason. You know, that's when most of Miami's core special teams players went elsewhere.
Sammy Morris? He's in New England.
Travis Minor? He's in St. Louis.
David Bowens? He's in New York, the team that just returned a kickoff 98 yards against the Dolphins.
Jim Maxwell? He got cut in the preseason.
That's four guys that excelled on special teams for the Dolphins dating back to last year and beyond. You get rid of four special teams players out of 11 starters, you shouldn't be surprised you have issues.
Oh, and this doesn't even count the fact the Dolphins also decided not to keep punter Donnie Jones and returner Wes Welker, two moves I did agree with.
The point is the moves that seemed inconsequential when studied individually have added up to a troublesome issue for Miami's special teams when the entire picture is taken into account. The Dolphins need to think about that in the future.
Your thoughts?
I can understand the grand desire to search the entire roster for special teams help, but why didn't the Dolphins consider the special teams in the offseason. You know, that's when most of Miami's core special teams players went elsewhere.
Sammy Morris? He's in New England.
Travis Minor? He's in St. Louis.
David Bowens? He's in New York, the team that just returned a kickoff 98 yards against the Dolphins.
Jim Maxwell? He got cut in the preseason.
That's four guys that excelled on special teams for the Dolphins dating back to last year and beyond. You get rid of four special teams players out of 11 starters, you shouldn't be surprised you have issues.
Oh, and this doesn't even count the fact the Dolphins also decided not to keep punter Donnie Jones and returner Wes Welker, two moves I did agree with.
The point is the moves that seemed inconsequential when studied individually have added up to a troublesome issue for Miami's special teams when the entire picture is taken into account. The Dolphins need to think about that in the future.
Your thoughts?
posted by Armando Salguero at 10:03 AM
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I agree 1000%.....Special Teams lost the game on Sunday. Terrible punts, Kickoff return for touchdown, and "squib" kickoffs. If you don't have enough confidence in your personnel to kick the ball off to Leon Washington, someone evaluating that personnel is not doing their job. He's not Devon Hester for God Sakes!!
getting rid of Welker was never a good idea, especially to a division rival. He did nothing but improve every season with the dolphins and showed no signs of slowing down.
Guys like Welker and Thomas and Taylor are the spirit of the team. You can defeat a superior opponent with emotion alone and that's what Satan stole from the Fins with that "process football" crap. I'm just glad they decided to actually use Ronnie Brown as a running back and not window dressing. Nine carries the first game, eleven the second and finally 24 this last time out. I don't think I need to state the results.
Well said, I could not agree more.
Cam should know better on that call to squib kick with the defense giving up yards like it has and without Zach. Letting Wes go was a HUGE mistake, he is going to torch us every year x2 for the next 4 years. Miami has a history of letting quality special teamer go. Remember Larry IZZO? Consistent solid player and yes, to the HATED PATS.
This is about dicipline and dolphins are not a well diciplined team right now. We had way too many penalties during the first 3 games and that needs to be fixed. We're not diciplined in any facet of the game and that coaching. Cam needs to get that under control if he is gonna last
it just hit me. cameron is clueless and has a lot to learn. didn't like ronny brown and chris chambers was on the trading block. this is about egos.
armando, u bit into this apple, too....10-6 season?.....so did i....sigh.
So now we have another Jack Ass for a coach, we're going to start putting our starters on special teams, because Cam CamHole got rid of Wes Welker et al. So now to make up for the deficiencies caused by shredding our team up of all good players during the off season, we're going to get our crappy starters hurt on special teams. (Not that it matters). Armando, it seems to me that Camhole doesn't know what he's doing, and I'd also like your comments on how shell shocked this geek looked at the post game conference. Where do I apply for the position of HC of the MD? (Belicheat reference, I hope you liked it).
Yes people, when you factor player personnel moves, it is a balance for what you gave up for what you got back. Thus far this year, it has been subtraction by addition. Ginn makes more and gives less. Welker averaging 17.3yds on punt returns alone; care to count receptions? The second round pick may not see playing time before he is 28, and then give him two years to develope with regular playing time. At least it gives him a few years to recover from injury if he can contribute on special teams and breaks a rib falling on a squib kick. The third rounder not even suiting up for gameday, with our plethora of talent I assume. Yea, short yellow bus special talent there. How about weighing Chatman's contribution verses that of Sammy Morris. Embarassing to say the least. How is it our rejects manage to contribute to a Superbowl contender, division rival? And I am really sick and tired of people defending the picks we got for Welker. If our first second and third round picks contribute NADA, please show me the math for this linear logic. Welker was a diamond in the rough, ala Zach and Jason. The kid was a damn gamer, and at least gave you something to hang your hat on after such abysmal perfomances. I bet my bottom dollar he is still playing long after whoever we got or get for those picks, Satele and Wright included. He was young with many years left. Should have traded Taylor at his apogee IMHO, who in two years will be sitting in the sand somewhere. Like a math test, I don't just want answers, Armando, please, show me your work on how this was a good move for the T E A M? Welker was the closest player we had to someone like Jim Jensen we had seen in years. He didn't just show it on the stopwatch, but on the field. Speed is nice, but not without moxy. Ginn plays scared. For a guy with his speed he always finds the closest sideline instead of using the field with his speed for separation. That much, at least, can be coached. So the only upside here is that I am barking up the wrong tree.
Dom was payed all that money to coach the d. Ya and hes not doing his JOB!! Cam is going to be a good coach look at the offense of line everyone said that it sucked and what has he done hes turning it around.The whole offense has been addressed and can put up points.Every week scoring has increased thats a plus. Give it a lil more time if we had this offense last year with are tuff d that Saben had we would of made the playoffs. Tedd Ginn will be a good returner once cam addressee that situation on special teams.He cant run and block at the same time. give Cam time we are going to see a different team every week getting better fixing its little problems here and there. and if Dom cant do his job he needs to be fired we have a good d but it looks like he should have better results. he should be accountable. we need to blitz WAY more like the eagles. at least a big play wont take up as much clock. and get the d off the field. Cam i have Faith in you
BeGeezus makes too much sense. Wouldn't it have been better to have kept Welker for less $$$ than what Ginn and his family is costing us now and instead have used that #1 pick on Patrick Willis or Amobi Okoye who were available at #9.
Look at what the Chargers are doing without Cameron. Nothing. Ronnie Brown has 47 more yards than L.T..
The o-line opened way more holes than the first 2 games. It looks like things are going in a positive direction. Chambers is tied for 5th in the league in receiving and so far the only drop this week has been his DUI charge.
Yah I agree that the Phins shoulda kept Welker, but did you see how much money New England was offering Welker? No one to blame but Saban he told Bilacheat to get him. Only 1 way to really teach the Patsies a lesson. The next restricted talented FA they have we should make them pay.
i like that you putting the dolphins feet to the fire, armando. good for you.
but when you can follow through on your investigation of dauntegate? now would seem to be an appropo time given that daunte about to whoop dolphins but in dolphin stadium this weekend. that gonna be some kind of matchup.
time to expose cam for what he is -- shine a light on him as you would saban if he lied and shitted on a player as cam as done to duante.
My thoughts? Cameron will be gone in 3 years at this rate.
when all of or most of your draft picks make the team your not very good to start with.they are not as bad as they look when they loose, but don t get to excited when they win.be a dolfan, don t bash the team like the s.fla. media (D.L and A.S.) see the big picture, don t be narrow minded like them. appreciate what you have and stop complaining.they could be gone one day!
Rumors in the air.
Wayne H. was @ the UF v UT game.
Watching Urban Meyer?
Its very convenient the way people forget the "poison pill" New England put in Welkers offer sheet,making it impossible to resign him.
If Miami had matched that offer and kept him you same people,Armando included,would be here crying about how we dont have the $$ to upgrade the roster and criticizing Miami for overpaying Welker.
Also,we had Welker,Morris,Bowens etc. last year and won all of 6 games. I know being 0-3 sucks,and I know the special teams and defense cost us the Jets game,but lets not invent excuses.
They miss Wilkinson and Carter. They overpaid for a mediocre Porter. JT is no longer a game changer. The secondary still sucks. That is why we were 0-3 looking at 4-12. That kick return for a TD wouldnt have made a difference if the D had done its job on any of those Jets drives in the 2nd half.
6 names for you...carter, zgonina, bowens, welker, manuel wright, fred evans..the difference in victory and defeat..the worry was the o-line..now the real worry, the d-line, and special teams
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We suck because we draft the world 8th wonder in Ted Ginn Jr. (that's the only logic reason for passing on Brady Quinn) and he is doing nothing.
Fire Damm Cameron !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hahahahaha LOL! GRRRRRRRRRRR! Give us the head of Cam Cameron! He's the reason the team is bad!!GGGRRRRRRR! Wes Welker could save the day if he was here look how good he's doing now ggrrrrrr,"what"?,,,,"The Pats are a better team all around?",,,,,"IT DOESN'T MATTER, Cams a liar, kill him"! Grrrr. Kevin Carter has two more tackles and .05 more sacks than Roth, Grrrrrr! I already know our first three picks will never get better, gggrrr. I hate Cameron so I'm going to make up stupid nicknames for him like Cammoron so I can feel better about myself, grr. LOL, You people are a riot.
Finally someone understands personnel decisions. The Welker trade was an absolute NO-BRAINER for Miami. Imagine for a moment if the trade were reversed and Miami brought an average receiver in at the cost of 2nd and 7th round picks. The move would have been even a bigger laugher to people in the league than the buckling to Minnesota to move up one spot in the first round a couple of years ago.
Wes Welker is an average player at best. Yes, I enjoyed watching him because it's fun to root for the little guy. But seriously, no coach is game-planning to stop Welker and you need to get a game changer for 2nd and 7th round picks. He's doing well in NE you say, but any average receiver can go in there and get yards and catches from Brady. The last I checked Reche Caldwell isn't on anyones radar but his numbers last year will look just like Welker's do this year. Wes Welker's trade was an EXCELLENT move by Miami's personnel dept. It cannot even be debated.
The last two comments from LMAO and Anon 9:31 saved the comment thread from my wrath. Good job!
Dafish Fan From Ohio
I can actually say I am proud to be a dolphin fan and have been for 30 years. A fan is one who sticks with their team through the thick and the thin!!! It just happens to be a little thin right now. I live in Columbus Oh and was able to Watch Ted Ginn Jr every weekend - Believe me he will get better and become a game changer, just give him a chance. Secondly You could be rooting for a team like Clevelend or Cincinnati( who went 13 straight years with a loosing season) regardless of 1st and 2nd picks. Be thankful that we had 26 years with only if I am correct 2 losing seasons. Shula/Griese/Zonk/Marks Brothers and Marino all spoiled us for so long it cant go on forever. Am I happy with the defense right now? No, but it surely doesnt help when your defense is on the field 3 quarters of the game and Jason and Zach cant do it all - thats coaching issues - not defensive issues. There needs to be more smart play calling on the offensive side of the ball to control the clock. The Wes Welker deal could turn out to be a difference maker with the addition of Beck. From what I watched in preseason and a few BYU games last year - this guy has talent and his arm/accuracy resembled someone that was drafted 25th overall in 1983 named Marino. Keep the faith everyone - I get sick and tired of hearing people here in Ohio calling Dolphin Fans fairweathered fans especially when even as bad as Cleveland is they can sellout all of their home games. Where is your support - quit complaining and dont give up so soon for goodness sake it's only the 3rd game of the season!!
Remember, Welker for a 2nd and 7th.
2nd: SAMSON SATELE
7th: ABRAHAM WRIGHT
Samson is starting and Abe could be next year...potentially a quality tweener for a few more years. Not a bad deal.
Welker became too expensive for a 2nd or 3rd string WR by signing that offer sheet with the Pats. He looks good in New Englnd because he's got Moss on the other side and Brady throwing to him.
The 'Phins parlayed the two picks (2nd and 7th rounders) from the Pats into starting rookie Centre Samson Satele (who'll be a stud for 10 years) and a starting rookie punter who's got a big leg.
By trading Welker for those two picks, the team got younger and kept their Salary Cap in good shape. There's no way you could've kept that much money tied up in the WR spot with Chambers, Booker and Welker.
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