Dolphins closer to getting Green
The inevitable, inexorable deal that will bring Trent Green to the Dolphins is closer to being done now because the Kansas City Chiefs today lowered their trade demands for the quarterback.
The Chiefs had been asking a second-round pick for Green but now that demand is down to a fourth-round pick.
Although it doesn't mean the Dolphins will necessarily yield a fourth-round selection for Green, this news signals a desire by KC president Carl Peterson to get the deal done by Sunday -- when the fourth round starts the festivities.
The Dolphins had been offering a seventh round pick for Green and likely would even yield a sixth rounder for him.
My prediction: Green is with the Dolphins by Monday if Carl Peterson realizes his lack of leverage. Otherwise he'll be with Miami by July.
What do you think?
The Chiefs had been asking a second-round pick for Green but now that demand is down to a fourth-round pick.
Although it doesn't mean the Dolphins will necessarily yield a fourth-round selection for Green, this news signals a desire by KC president Carl Peterson to get the deal done by Sunday -- when the fourth round starts the festivities.
The Dolphins had been offering a seventh round pick for Green and likely would even yield a sixth rounder for him.
My prediction: Green is with the Dolphins by Monday if Carl Peterson realizes his lack of leverage. Otherwise he'll be with Miami by July.
What do you think?
posted by Armando Salguero at 5:08 PM
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I'm going to be pissed if we give up anything higher than a 6th round pick for that guy
I hope we never have him in uniform....Period. This is not a rehab facility to injured players, I think we had too many players come from other teams to play here and end up in the injured reserve. We need some one that can play now 100% We don't need any dinosaurs coming in with issues.
Stick to your guns, Randy. Carl Peterson has his back to the wall and realizes he has ZERO leverage in this. Stay patient, you'll get Trent for the price you want!
lets get it done already! I want to know who gets Quinn.
don't waste a pick on trent green. he is c pep part II. damn. damn. damn.
I think a 6th round thid year and a conditional 6th next year
I dont like green and he will be on injured reserve by week 3 with our o line
Hey Armando,
Is the stat I saw correct? That in 2006, Culpepper and Green had QB ratings that were only a few points apart? And that their TD/Int ratio and completion percentage was similar? Green didn't look to good in the playoffs either. I'm a little worried about this trade.
What a shame it's come down to another season of 'it's the last of choices' QB syndrome. I wish we could get Gerrad (sp?) from Jaguars and have a long-term QB.
Should be an interesting weekend!
"I'm going to be pissed if we give up anything higher than a 6th round pick for that guy"
A) I'm sick of reading this exact comment. Your opinion is duly noted and shared by the vast majority of dolphin fans. The same fans that'll be stoked when he thows for 3000 yards next year, makes the defense back the safety outta the box and opens up Ronnie Browns running game. I don't usually do this..but I'm so gonna say "I told you so" when Green has a successful year w/ the fins next year....and you'll all deny ever spewing this stuff.
I'm so glad your opinions do not matter to Cameron & mueller.
DO NOT GET TRENT GREEN. PERIOD....Has everyone forgot that Culpepper will not always be injured plus he's 30yrs old, Green is 37yrs old. You do the MATH.....
Trust me, he will never see anything close to 3000 yards with the line the fins will field in front of him. One good hit from any respectable end or linebacker and his concussion is back for good and he's done for another 8 games....
Cleo Lemon is our best bet. Better than any rookie.
Prediction: The Dolphins will take Trent Green after capitulating on a draft pick sooner than seventh and within the next 6 months regret they ever started talks with the Chiefs. This is a disaster everyone but Dolphins management can see coming from as far away as Bryant's Bar B Q in Kansas City. When do we get some forward looking execs in the Dolphins front office?
Say it anin't so, I guess I won't be getting season tickets this year, trent green is washed up just like c-pep but I would perfer c-pep to this guy, one good hit and his CAREER IS OVER mark my words.
Good lord. What's up with all the negativity towards Trent Green??? Man, some of you people are way too fickle! Nothing seems to please you guys.
Chiefs have all the Leverage dolphins do not. Trent Green doesn't have to be cut and he can keep his salary. With the salary that hes on now the chiefs don't even need to cut anyone and their still below the cap. If you want a 2 Time Pro-Bowl QB who has a super bowl ring. To Be your starter pay up otherwise say hello to Cleo Lemon!
Hello Cleo!!
Do some of you realize that Green has only ever had ONE concussion in his entire career? Its not like he gets hurt every year with concussions. I also hope those of you comparing him to Culpepper realize that he will no longer be a Fin in about 48 hours. I wish our last regime hadn't traded that pick for him (we probably could've used that 2nd rounder and our first to trade up for Leinart last year). In hindsight, the 2nd rounder for AJ Feeley got us more than the 2nd rounder for Culpepper!
If cpep is gone then green is a good move. He is a vet and a good one at that he knows how to play the game. Kc's offense has been potent since he started playing in kc. Since 02 his qb rating has been 90+ with a 61+ completion percentage. One concussion doesn't wipe that away ask Steve Young and Aikman it takes about three. Get Green pick up a young Qb in the draft let Green play, if he plays horrible do him like Plummer and yank him but if he does well have him teach the rook the ropes. The latter is the most likely scenario.
For once, the dolphins have a decent shot with a good quarterback since the loss of Marino. Green's numbers are good and his play is consistent. Culpepper has never been consistent and he gets flustered under pressure. Of course, Green is not the future, however he can win and allow us to buy some time until the right one comes along.
Dolphins driving, 1 and 10, Green drops back to pass, [Insert team name] with the blitz, and Green gets hit from the behind. He's not getting up... The report from the locker room is Green has another concussion, his career might be over...
You know it's inevitable, but I'll take him over Daunte
Nico
"I'm going to be pissed if we give up anything higher than a 6th round pick for that guy"
A) I'm sick of reading this exact comment. Your opinion is duly noted and shared by the vast majority of dolphin fans. The same fans that'll be stoked when he thows for 3000 yards next year, makes the defense back the safety outta the box and opens up Ronnie Browns running game. I don't usually do this..but I'm so gonna say "I told you so" when Green has a successful year w/ the fins next year....and you'll all deny ever spewing this stuff."
The guy could throw for 3,000 yards next season and STILL not be worth a 4th round pick. Why? Because he is 36! Not to mention he will be cut by KC. He has ZERO longterm potential on a team that is gutting its offense.
Lets not forget that Trent Greene was fortunate enough to have Priest Holmes, Larry Johnson, Tony Gonzalez and an amazing offensive line. Ronnie Brown is nice but he is no Johnson/Holmes. As far as the O-line is concerned can you even name our starting LT? No, because we don't have one yet. Our TE is not even worthy to have his name mentioned in comparison to Gonzalez.
Delaying the deal for Trent makes sense - Kansas is getting nervous and they will accept a 6th rounder for Trent - lets face it they have no need to keep him and he is no longer in their plans, But here is the misdirection everyone thinks the Dolphins qb will be trent but they are working on trading down for Quinn and will give a first and a second to get him. So that is why there has been no progress with Kansas on a trade lets face it 37 years old --how long can he help us. No I believe that Cameron is smarter than the idiot that went to Alabama. He knows we need to get Quinn even if it costs us 3 picks. Maybe 1st second and sixth or fourth.
Ralph
You are such a visionary Armando. Any other ground breaking predictions you would like to call? How bout what color the sky will be tomorrow? Go out on a limb!!
What's with that last comment by Anus, I mean, anonymous? Why you ripping our boy for giving us facts and information?
... And what's with reading this blog at 3:39 in the morning? Brother you need to get a life and not be so angry all the time ...
Stop acting like green will be able to function in an offense that has more holes than swiss cheese and as far as nick satan is concerned, I mean saban....all you guys were singing his praises this time last year and heaven forbid this team sucks again this year(which is most likely) you cameron fans will be ripping him apart too, I say if Quinn is so good and so smart start him as a rookie, trade up get him and start him, however, the games I had the chance to watch him play in were horrible games for him (BUYER BEWARE)
Quinn is there, make the trade!!!
Nico
no trade needed Quinn is there at 9
Nico
We blew it and passed on Quinn. New organization, same stupid drafting!!!
I guess the top brass just like me were not that high on Quinn hahahahaha
Nice, we have no QB, but a hope of a kick returner...
AH...HAHAHAHA AH..HAHAHAHAHA
MUELLER JUST PROVE YOUR A JOKE, ARMANDITO.
CHEERS TO DOLPHNS FOR PICKING GINN OVER JOEY JR., AKA QUINN.
AND OUR SO-CALLED EXPERT WROTE TODAY THAT THE FINS WOULD TRY TO TRADE UP FOR QUINN!!!!
AH..HAHAHAH AH..HAHAHAHA
DOLPHINS, KEEP PU THE GOOD DRAFT
TED GINN IS A STUD, MUELLER AND ME ARE ON THE SAME CHANNEL.
GREAT, GREAT PICK !!!
Unreal....We drafted a "need" rather than the best player available. Ted "Barabo" Ginn and his gimpy leg. They shoot horses, dont they?
Ted Ginn was one heck of a pick the dolphins are finally getting it together YEAH BABY
I think Green is no better than Harrington, and Lemon might be better than both of them! Regardless, I think Cameron and Shea have adequate talent to work with. I'm still a little perplexed by how thin we are at TE. Where's the next Antonio Gates? I'm dubious that it's Martin.
I've been a dolphan for the last
30 years and honestly Armando,
I don´t give a damn shit if Green
is coming or not to the dolphins.
Those old QB don't care if they
play for the Dolphins or for
any other team. They only care about making enough money at the end of their careers.
Now that the dammage is done,
I rather see Beck as the starting
QB and forget about Green, who
cares.
Trent Green was the best QB the media didn't talk about the 5 out of the past 6 years and he may have been the same as the other years if not for the cheap shot hit delivered by that Bengal. Watch the tape that was a big time cheap shot that would have given anyone a concussion. Trent Green is not only a great QB but an even better leader. He has been working out at the Chiefs facilities even though he knows the Chiefs will probably trade him. I wish Trent all the best. He was the best QB the Chiefs have had since Len Dawson. (Joe Montana was great but his career was nearly over when he was here).
I am excited to have Trent Green on our team. I have watched every chief game for the last 5 years in person. This man is good, he has everything we need on our team to last a solid two years. That is time to mold or find a qb. Cameron knows what he is doing. The only pick I question is the RB. If we were to trade Ricky that would be a mistake. He is worth keeping one year and to see how good he is and build his stock worth. I love the lineman we picked up today, he's going to be a machine. Now for the receivers, the potential is huge. We have speed, skill, and now Chambers better step up and shine now that he has two young receivers that are going be good wide outs.
It's funny reading a lot of these posts. It is obvious of who knows football, and who knows only that there favorite team is miami and know little about most players in the league that arn't in T.O's. Today was a good day and We are heading in the right direction. Those who follow football, and not just Miami know this is true. Playoffs are back for Miami, Guarantee it!
Think about it.. the defense is going to be sick, and now we have Welker, except with lightening in his shoes catching our returns. I loved Wes, but his replacement is all he was but with abnormal speed. Play field position and let people try and have 80 yard drives on this D. I never liked Saban, and I have faith in our Cam. He is an offensive guru.
He also wrote this scumbag hater:
If the Dolphins can't get Quinn by making a trade in the first round, they know they have to pick up a quarterback soon thereafter, if possible. Everyone says three will be available in the second round when Miami picks but I have my doubts about that because Oakland, Detroit and Chicago could go shopping for QBs in the second round and all are ahead of Miami. Look for the Dolphins to try and trade up to get their targetted player. The guy the Dolphins like most out of BYU's John Beck, Michigan State's Drew Stanton and Stanford's Trent Edwards is (drum roll here) Beck.
If we, as fans, would like to be competitive next year then our best option is Trent Green. He's been a very successful QB and he knows Cam's offense. The Fins may not have the talent he had in KC but he gives us the best chance of making the playoffs.
Randy and Cam are not mortgaging the future on a 37 year old but rather giving the Fin fans some hope for next season...albeit slim. The FINS have a very good defense and small strides on the offensive side of the ball will produce more W's and give us some hope.
For those that feel otherwise, you are either delusional about Daunte's health or Cleo (or Beck though I think I will be a good QB) or want another Top 10 pick next year.
I, for one, would like to look forward to next year. Trent is a bridge to Beck who give us the best option for next year. Nothing more, nothing less.
Offense will benefit from field position provided by Ginn Jr. and speed Ronnie Brown-Chambers-Ginn Jr.
A standout return specialist and defensive back in high school, Ginn teamed with his roommate, Troy Smith, to give the Buckeyes one of the most dangerous pass/catching combinations in the collegiate ranks.
"Here is guy who came to us as a return specialist and defensive back and has developed into a very good receiver," Buckeyes head coach Jim Tressel said. "He has always had great hands and he has become a very good route runner. With his speed, he is a threat to score anytime he touches the ball."
The son of renowned Glennville High School head coach Ted Ginn Sr., the younger Ginn and Smith were his prize pupils. Ginn was selected as the USA Today Defensive Player of the Year and was also a Parade All-American. SuperPrep named him as its National Defensive Player of the Year and he was the Most Valuable Player of the U.S. Army All-America game his senior year.
Ginn also played quarterback, wide receiver and running back for Glenville and returned punts and kickoffs. He intercepted eight passes as a senior and returned five of them for touchdowns. One of his interception returns went for a state-record 102-yard touchdown, while another went for a 97-yard score. He also passed for 932 yards and 12 touchdowns and rushed for 845 yards and 17 scores.
Ginn was named one of Ohio's three Division I offensive players of the year as a junior. He returned four punts and one kickoff for touchdowns that season. In track, he was the national champion in the 110-meter high hurdles as a junior and recorded the best time in the nation as a senior when he won another state title. He also clocked a personal-best 10.5 seconds in the 100-meter dash.
Ginn enrolled at Ohio State in 2004. He spent most of the preseason working with the defense, but was moved to offense right before the start of the schedule. He was used sparingly early in the season as he learned the system, but was a key factor in the Buckeyes' late-season success. Ginn caught passes in the last seven games of the season and had 18 receptions in the last four games. He finished with 25 catches for 359 yards (14.4 avg) and two touchdowns.
That season, he gained 113 yards with two scores on 13 carries (8.7 avg), but it was as a punt returner where he gained national media attention. His four punt returns for touchdowns set school and Big Ten Conference single-season records, and at the time tied the NCAA mark. He gained 25.6 yards per punt return, leading the nation and setting another OSU record in that department. He scored on punt returns of 65 yards (Wisconsin), 67 yards (Penn State), 60 yards (Michigan State) and 82 yards (Michigan). The latter broke the game open and was one of the most spectacular runs in Ohio State history.
In 2005, Ginn settled in as the team's starting flanker. He finished second on the squad with 51 receptions for 803 yards (15.7 avg) and four touchdowns. He totaled 83 yards with a score on 12 carries (6.9 avg) and gained 532 yards on 18 kickoff returns, including a touchdown. His kickoff-return average of 29.56 yards ranked fourth in the nation. He also returned 25 punts for 250 yards (10.0 avg) and a score. He became the first Buckeye to register receiving, rushing, punt returns and kickoff-return touchdowns in the same season.
Ginn was a second-team All-American choice in 2006. He led the team with 781 yards and nine touchdowns on 59 catches (13.2 avg), and added 17 yards on three carries. He threw a pass for a 38-yard score, returned 18 kickoffs for 440 yards (24.4 avg) and a touchdown and had 24 punt returns for 266 yards (11.1 avg), including a score. He finished the year with 1,504 all-purpose yards -- 115.7 yards per game.
In 37 games at Ohio State, Ginn started 31 times. He snatched 125 passes for 1,943 yards (15.5 avg) and 15 touchdowns. He carried 28 times for 213 yards (7.6 avg) and three scores, adding another touchdown on a pass completion for 38 yards. He set the Big Ten Conference career record with six touchdowns on 64 punt returns for 900 yards (14.1 avg), and gained 1,012 yards with two scores on 38 kickoff returns (26.6 avg). He scored a total of 156 points and registered three solo tackles. Ginn also registered 109.95 all-purpose yards per game, totaling 4,068 yards.
ANALYSIS
Positives: Has outstanding quickness, agility and balance … Gets to top speed in a hurry and maintains acceleration throughout his routes … Has that quick second-gear burst as a returner to take the ball to the house consistently (six touchdowns on punt returns, two touchdowns on kickoffs) … Good team leader who responds to discipline; with his work ethic, you won't need to monitor him … Once he gets into his patterns, he is quick to gobble up the cushion … If given a free lane to operate, Ginn is certain to find the seams … On deep patterns, he has that extra burst needed to run by defenders and is very effective at making the over-the-shoulder grabs … The thing you see on film is his ability to get down the field rapidly … Can track, adjust and jump for the ball much better on long routes than he does when working in a crowd … Given a free lane, Ginn will immediately burst into his routes … Eats up the cushion in an instant, and while his lateral agility could improve, he maintains stride on slants and screens … Best served on screens, quick flares, slants or bursting up the seam -- anything that will take advantage of his explosive quickness … Is very quick through transition and has a knack for avoiding second-level defenders to find holes in the zone … Lacks double-cut agility, but can accelerate suddenly when he drops his pads … Can instantly turn on a defensive back on a route; he has that extra gear needed to pull away … When he sinks his hips, he transitions fast and accelerates through the cuts to burst away … Might not look fluid in and out of his breaks, but has the ability to separate thanks to a sensational second gear … Has the speed to stretch the field and separate, showing steady acceleration to uncover vs. man coverage … Has a knack for becoming available quickly on the blitz and does a good job of getting his feet down along the sidelines … Carries route depth, sliding to create lanes, but must do a better job of settling when working in traffic … Adjusts readily to man coverage and is alert to finding the soft spot in the deep zone … If given room to operate, he will simply race past a defender … Might not have the strength to break tackles or the lateral agility to redirect, but with his acceleration, he is a dangerous threat with the ball in his hands … His burst makes him too elusive in man coverage; he always makes the first tackler miss.
Great addition.
There comes a point in every QBs career where they can't face the pressure anymore. It happened to Unitas in San Diego, Namath in LA, and it most certainly happened to Marino at the end. I was ever so grateful Dan wised up and never took the chance to embarrass himself in Minnesota. Anyhow, I saw the playoff game last season and I gotta say Trent Green's moment has come. He couldn't take the heat then and I see no reason he can do any better several months later. He was once very good, that day came and went.
I think we should either wait it out until Green is released or get him in now with a conditional 6th round pick next year. If not, Let Lemon (who is currently taking 1st string snaps) Or Culpepper (if healthy) mentor our future starter John Beck. Iam from utah and I hate BYU but i've seen this kid play and he is every bit as good as Quinn. 70% comp ,38 td's vs. 8 int's last year.
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