Jason Allen redeems himself ... sort of
Let me start by restating what I have said and written in the past. I believe if a first-round pick is not starting by his second season, he's a disappointment. If he's not starting by his third season, he's a bust.
Jason Allen is not going to start this season unless some serious injury problems befall the Dolphins secondary. So, in that regard, he is definitely a disappointment no matter what the excuse.
But Allen is not yet a bust and, after Thursday's 7-0 preseason finale at New Orleans, one can see glimpses of his ability. Really.
Allen had an interception during last night's game and that is encouraging because during his first NFL season, he was rarely in position to get close to the ball, much less snatch it. Allen has also caused a fumble this preseason, so there you have at least two instances of him showing playmaking ability.
What really impressed me Thursday, however, was that Allen worked almost the entire first half against the first-team New Orleans receivers -- Marques Colston and Devery Henderson. Colston caught two passes for 17 yards. Henderson did not catch a pass.
So, despite my past criticism of Allen, I must give credit where credit is due.
Understand this is only a baby step and Allen is not where he needs to be. In fact, he's Miami's fourth cornerback and that's not counting injured Andre' Goodman. So it's not like Allen is earning his signing bonus yet.
But after that little bit of encouraging news Thursday, one can see Allen might turn things around. One can see that with a lot more hard work, he might not be a bust by the time 2008 rolls around.
Your thoughts?
Jason Allen is not going to start this season unless some serious injury problems befall the Dolphins secondary. So, in that regard, he is definitely a disappointment no matter what the excuse.
But Allen is not yet a bust and, after Thursday's 7-0 preseason finale at New Orleans, one can see glimpses of his ability. Really.
Allen had an interception during last night's game and that is encouraging because during his first NFL season, he was rarely in position to get close to the ball, much less snatch it. Allen has also caused a fumble this preseason, so there you have at least two instances of him showing playmaking ability.
What really impressed me Thursday, however, was that Allen worked almost the entire first half against the first-team New Orleans receivers -- Marques Colston and Devery Henderson. Colston caught two passes for 17 yards. Henderson did not catch a pass.
So, despite my past criticism of Allen, I must give credit where credit is due.
Understand this is only a baby step and Allen is not where he needs to be. In fact, he's Miami's fourth cornerback and that's not counting injured Andre' Goodman. So it's not like Allen is earning his signing bonus yet.
But after that little bit of encouraging news Thursday, one can see Allen might turn things around. One can see that with a lot more hard work, he might not be a bust by the time 2008 rolls around.
Your thoughts?
posted by Armando Salguero at 12:23 PM
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He's a BUST !!!! He talked a good game this offseason saying that moving back to the CB spot would allow him to use his raw talent!!!
What raw talent, My grandma could get out there and cover a rec. WAY better than he has!!! One INT and one forced fumble is nothing to jump for joy about!!!! He will rarely make it on the field this coming season , which leaves the question how will he improve??? Its obivious after this training camp and offseason he doesn't have a good work ethic or we would be seeing continuous growth!!!!
In my opinion he should be on the trading block!! He is going to be one of the greatest bench warmers of all time!!!!
J Dizzle.....
Who in the world would trade for this guy? At best you could get a 2013 7th round pick right now.
One statement..... It took Patrick Surtain 3 years to crack the starting lineup.
As I posted yesterday JA was one of the few redeeming qualities of yesterday's game. Seriously, for the first time you could see the atheletic qualities that made him a first round pick. He was in perfect position on the INT with a nice leaping grab like one of Chambers catches. Also his shoestring tackle of the RB as he was about to break a big gain to the outside was equally impressive. An open field tackle is one of the hardest things to do and JA just outran the back and took him down. The physical tools are all there. I think JA's biggest problem is that he is just stupid and cant learn the reads, coverages, etc.. If he ever gets that down and just lets his natural ability work he could be good because he is fast and has good agility. Many times it takes DB's several years to get it. Like I said, he is reminding me of Quentin Jammer of San Diego. Labeled a major bust at first, but came into his own about year three and has turned into an above average corner. Which I should say the Fins have not had since Surtain and Madison in there primes. I mean people think Deangelo Hall is awesome because he can make great plays but he gets burned and burned badly just as often.
Armando excellent piece on Cam today. I am seriously beginning to think that guy is a fruitcake. If he can lead us to wins no one will care, but if not then we will be left with a weirdo. Did you see the awkward exchange between him and Herm on Hard Knocks? Herm looked at him like he was whacked. It does not bode well considering our recent past coaching history. Lets see, Johnson destroyed Marino's final years, Wannstadt was just completely incompetent, Satan was a lying egotastical asshole, and so far Cam has also proved to be a lying one flew over the cookoo nest reject. Still excited by the upcoming year lets go Fins and good luck Cobb you have earned a roster spot.
Another statement: Pat Surtain was drafted in the second round of 1998. By the end of 1999, he was the starter. He started five games in 1999.
One more thing, maybe the best coach did coach last night lol. Hmmmm Capers as head, Cam offensive coordinator, Bates defensive coordinator, Murlarkey water boy. Now that is a staff I could get behind.
Or if we had to have an offensive coach then I dont know why we just didnt go with Linehan. I liked what he did with what he had to work with while he was in Miami. He also is doing great things in St. Louis. There my sleeper pick for the NFC not San Fran. They can easily be as explosive as New Orleans.
Anonymous you're right he doesn't have any trade value and is very far away from the trading block!! I just feel like we should go ahead and rid ourselves of this problem!!! I know it's a long shot but it could happen, look at Detroit they got rid of Mike Williams and took a big cap hit, Houston did the same with David Carr and Detroit did it with Joey too!! Sometimes you just gotta take the hit and keep it moving!!!!
Wow, you guys are COMPLETELY PATHETIC!!! What ever happened to completely supporting your team? Most of the people on this blog and most others must be just a bunch of "fair-weather" fans who only claim their team when they have a playoff caliber season. I have been a Miami Dolphins fan for 24 years and I admit, I have been frustrated with them at times in the past 5 years, but understand that we are not ONE YEAR AWAY from being a Super Bowl competitor. There is no quick & easy fix for all of Miami's issues. So, how about we stop all these "whining and complaining" sessions and just support your team. If you can't do that, then shut your traps and find another team to pick apart!!!
Luke you shut your trap!! I hate you so called "DIE HARD" fans. So because we point out the obvious flaws on our team we're not real fans??? Man GROW UP!!!! The guy is garbage!! This blog is for everyone to state there opinion if you don't like it don't read it!!!!
Sorry Armando S., he is a bust and will be considered a bust, well, for a long long time. You need more then 2 or 3 plays to prove yourself. Everyone has a few good plays in the Pre-Season and then does nothing during the regular season. Allen might, and i mean might, at his prime, be a number 2 corner. Allen is an athletic guy, not a football player. When ever anylists say, and he's a real smart player; most people say to themselves 'well what does being smart have to do with football?'. It has everything to do with it. You needa to have a good football IQ to be an affective player. Allen still has a lot of studying to do.
It makes me so mad when people say I'm a bust.
I'm just misunderstood.
j dizzle...
It's not because you point out the "obvious" flaws of the team that I posted that comment. It's more because that's all most people on these blogs do. Complain & point out every single flaw they see. For instance, instead of commenting about Beck's performances in the first two preseason games, where he threw 3 touchdowns, everyone complains that he threw two picks in this last preseason game. Or when everyone rips into Trent Green because he didn't lead a touchdown drive until the third preseason game. Yet, in the first two preseason games, he averaged two-three series' in each game & only threw a small handfull of passes. Everyone gets so caught up in the mistakes that they ignore the potential of this team. And those are the people that are "fair-weather" fans.
J. Allen doesn't seem to have natural covering skills.
If that's the case, shouldn't he develop as a safety.
Jason Allen had a few good plays this preseason. We have to remember that its not the number of good or great plays that happened to come his way; its the fact that he never got "burned" this preseason. There might not have been many interception opportunities for him because the ball wasn't thrown to the recievers he was covering. That tells me that he is able to cover those recievers and take them out of the play. He still has a way to go before we can pass judgement.
Nobody is going to trade for Jason Allen. Cutting him would cripple our cap, and that's the last thing this team needs. Like it or not, Allen is going to be here this season, and next season.
How about Nick Satan totally messed the guy up mentally?
Armando,just read your article about the Dolphins for this season and I have two words for ya,, I BELIEVE! Lol. Man, that article read like I was in the locker room before the first game of the season listening to the coach psych us up for the year! You should think about becoming a motivational speaker. You could make millions! Seriously though after all the doom and gloom we've been hearing it's nice to know there is a flip side. If things go right, this season could turn out to surprise us all. Lets Go Dolphins!!!!!
>>>Armando excellent piece on Cam today.<<<
No, it wasn't. It focuses solely on the idea that Cam stepped back for the Saints game as a dry run for if he ever misses a game and completely misses the most obvious reason for why he let Capers take over: So Cam, who's usually busy running the offense, could concentrate on evaluating all of the players on his last opportunity to do so before making the final cuts.
I have a comment for Luke and all the other posters that say stop being critical, support everything the Dolphins do 100%, or your just not a true fan. I find that statement asinine and almost borderline retarded. The teams that are cited with having the best fans Philly, NY, Boston, Pittsburgh, etc.. usually are the most critical but also the most knowledgeable and informed. I find this true of the posters on this board as well. Whether it is Armando, myself, john123, dizzle, Jax, etc. These posters are usually the most critical or questioning but also make the most intelligent concise arguments. I know none of us are NFL GMs or coaches but whatever profession any of us engage in we all know of bad or incompetent people involved in them. I am not a sheep and find it a luxury in life to question people who I feel might not be making the best decisions. Whether it be a politician, my doctor, and so on. To question is not to whine or complain it is what seperates us from the primates (or some of us).
People constantly criticize Armando for being too negative on the fins but part of his job is to point out weaknesses, and to analyze questionable decisions. I mean rather than saying lets give Ginn a chance I question why the Fins took him in the first round when they could have gotten Jacoby Jones with there fourth pick (third round) two spots ahead of the Texans. Jones does everything Ginn does while also being taller and heavier which should make him betterable to withstand NFL hits.
As for fairweather or bandwagon fans I am going to clue you in. There is no such thing. If you had been to a fin game in the last decade you would know we barely have any fans at all. Almost every home game there are significantly more of the other teams fans than Fin fans. Our two biggest rivals, Jets and Pats especially. The Houston game almost had more Texan fans for God sakes. Face it, the Dolphins have so few fans and have been bad for so long that only the hardcore remain. So get your testicles back from your wife and learn to question and demand improvement from the team you have supported for 24 years because your the pathetic one. Now go knit me a sweater bitch.
Jason Allen is no Pat Surtain. No one would trade a high pick for Allen -- the dolphins' cost. If the price someone is willing to pay is zero or very low, how can anyone say he has lived up to expectations?
I think the Dolphins can win the Super Bowl. This is the time of year that Dolphins fan relish in the ability of all of the team's players. It has happened almost every year. Lets face it--- since Huizenga became the owner, the club sucks.
Allen as a cornerback is the equivalent of Huizenga as owner. Perhaps Ginn, the backup puint returner with the nice family, will turn things around.
I want to see Ginn be covered by Allen so we can look at the Dolphins' player selection prowess in all its glory. Then again, Ginn's father, who apparently was part of the equation, needs to be there too.
Does anyone remember last year against the Patriots when Jason Allen leveled their starting TE coming over the middle and actually knocked him out of the game? One of his better moment for sure. I am not a big Jason Allen fan, but he can bring the wood that much I have to give him, now if he could only cover...that would help.
Can't cover = bust no matter how big a hitter he is.
Don't let j dizzle get under your skin. He's a Jets Fan stirring the pot.
I agree Mando, J. Allen is a disappointment.
In fact he was a disappointment last year, however, I ‘m not ready to label him bust.
He’s been bounced around between safety and corner his whole football career in college and the pro’s.
Didn’t Dick Sabin switch him back and forth two or three times just in last years training camp alone.
The kid has got to be given the chance to succeed or fail at one position.
I think he’s improving and will start to make a contribution to his team.
He’ll be a good starter for this team…..one day.
trent green is obviously an upgrade over an INJURED daunte culpeper.
problem is, armando, daunte ain't injured anymore. when ya gonna do your job as journalist and take a hard look at that controversial, stupid decision made by cam to cut loose daunte -- who appears to be absolutely healthy and will probably be a lot better than trent this year. judging by preseason performance -- trent green is a DOWNGRADE and a serious error compared to the way daunte is playing..
OH MY GOD! Either people are seriously void of any intellect or they just don't want to listen or understand. DAUNTE CULPEPPER WAS NOT THE RIGHT FIT FOR THIS OFFENSE. How many times do we have to repeat that. It doesn't matter if he is healthy because he is a different style QB than Green and Beck. Daunte could turn out to have a pro bowl season this year playing in a style offense that suits him, but that doesn't mean Cam made a mistake. You can NOT change your entire offensive philosophy to fit one player and Daunte can not change who he is as a QB to fit into our offense. There are many reasons why Cam didn't want him,,,NONE OF WHICH HAVE TO DO WITH HIS TALENT. Yes he is talented, no one is arguing that. Green is also talented as are Lemon and Beck. To sit here at this point and say that Culpepper is more talented than the three QBs we have is foolish.
edswood, there is nothing wrong with questioning what the team is doing. The problem is you guys don't stop. The draft was 6 months ago and yet you are still questioning the Ginn pick eventhough he has already taken over the number 3 WR position. Do you understand how good that is? A rookie WR/PR is learning 2 positions and still beat out a WR who has been here for a year? I understand questioning the pick when it happened but Ginn is already proving himself and you are still questioning it? As for your best fans theory, I live in NY and know MANY Giants and Jets fans. It is not the fans who are critical, it is the media up here. The fans actually support their coaches and owners through thick and thin. Look at the Jets for example, what have they done?! One superbowl in how many years and the fans still pack that place every Sunday AND they dont even have their own stadium! They would never hate a new coach before he was even given a chance to show what he can do. They are smarter than that, unfortunately, some Dolphins fans are not. Questioning every move the team makes does not make you a knowledgeable football fan,it just makes you annoying. PS I'm working on knitting you your sweater, it says I hate Cam Cameron and the Miami Dolphins, I'm sure you will wear it with pride.
I have to agree with nyscott. You guys are a bunch of whiney biotches! Mangini has made some questionable moves since he's been here, the latest being the Kendall thing, but we have believed in him since the beginning. We didn't whine about every thing he does because we trust that he knows more about players and football than we do. If you don't back your team your not helping the cause! I hope Cameron sucks but I'm a Jets fan. Why do you guys hate him so much? It seems like he is making your team better. Typical fish fans, do all you share one brain or has the south florida heat scrambled your eggs. I cant wait untill Pennington puts up 300 yds on your team so I can come in here and see you cry and whine! GO JETS!
Hey J-E-T-S,
With 5 300-yd games in seven years, nobody is too worried about Penny putting up big numbers. When he goes down with another shoulder problem this year, maybe Ken O'brien can revive his stellar career...
you people on here are terrible.. you can comment all you want on how bad Jason is but you all and your grandmothers don't have the talent to do what he does and wish you could.. you people make me sick and you don't deserve someone like J on your team.. I wish he could be traded away from you morons.. but one thing we all can agree on.. the dolphins will stink with or without JA...
signing off a true J A fan...
rob said.....
jason allen sucks!!! every player drafted by nick saban sucks!!except ronnie brown he is the only guy i will go to bat for! he is good he makes a oline look good. he averages 4.3 yards and he get's hit in the face before he even get's to the line! and excuse me if crowder was drafted by saban
because he is awsome but i think he was drafted by wannestead! he sucks wannestead lol don't even get me started on him! and for who ever said that wayne huz sucks! he is the best owner in football he will give any amount of money even though his stadium don't sell out!
go wayne! stay how u are! oh yeah he don't get up the coaches but like jerry jones does
Jason Allen has showed us there is nothing to discuss here ... I'll let his actions speak & analyze.
No one will trade for Jason Allen even for a freebie deal ... they'd have to take his salary & get little value for it. Other teams will opt for college kids low salary & equal ability.
Jason's got the physical skills, thus he's a learning head-case ... so there's a remote chance he could learn a little ... that's why he was moved to safety originally (Less thinking). Now we're short on corners, & he's back at corner.
I believe Jason can be of some value on special teams & limited DB play. i.e. running plays, nickel, physical & slower receivers, etc.
I'm a big fan & don't believe this to be negative ... its objective & is what it is.
Go Phins!!! Cheers, JerryD
One thing important to remember with Jason Allen is that he came in down one strike to begin with: he was a "reach" where he was drafted. I think it's fair to suggest that any time a team takes a guy substantially higher than he's graded, he has more pressure to prove his worth. I had Allen graded as a late 2nd to 3rd round talent, and he's marginally played to about that level. Where he was actually drafted he is--more than anything else--merely proving that he was the reach many of us thought he was to begin with. For that, the blame lies first and foremost with Saban.
YOU GUYS ARE IDIOTS. JASON ALLEN WILL DEFINITELY SHOW PROGRESS THIS YEAR. HE IS ONE OF THE BEST ATHLETES IN THE NFL, BELIEVE IT OR NOT..6'1" 210LBS..4.38 speed..34"VERTICAL..High school GATORADE PLAYER OF THE YEAR..LED TENNESSEE VOLS IN TACKLES HIS JUNIOR SEASON..I personally know Jason & his brother from our hometown and he is working to understand the play book and schemes very well..He also had a learning curve at Tennessee, and after that he took off, literally and figuratively..MARK THESE WORDS, SUCKERS!
Well Reppin' for JA!, you said it better than us IDIOTS!!
Year and a half & he's still learning the play book. Thanks for pointing out his learning curve was flat at Tennessee also. I'll pencil him in for the 2020 Pro Bowl.
Nice to have expert witness opinions to set us straight on our lying eyes!!!
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