Some thoughts about Ginn, Brown and Green
The past week has offered one seismic shift after another from the Dolphins.
First Coach Cam Cameron says Ronnie Brown is a starting kick returner for the season. Then on Saturday the coach says he only meant it for one game. Then Brown is back there again Sunday during practice. Then after practice Cameron says Brown has no guarantee of being the starting running back. And that, of course, means first round pick Ted Ginn Jr. is underachieving at kick returner.
And then, one day after Cameron refuses to name Brown or Ginn to any starting duties anywhere, he names Green Miami's starting quarterback. Whew!
Well, this is what I think about that:
First --If Brown ends up as the kick returner and Ginn ends up as the punt returner, the Dolphins will be putting each of their last three first-round picks on special teams when you consider Jason Allen is on both the kick and punt teams, serving various duties. That's three first round picks on special teams.
And unless Brown finally wins the starting running back (which is not guaranteed right now) the Dolphins will have exactly zero of their own former first-round picks playing on both offense and defense.
Any wonder this team is rebuilding?
Second - I keep hearing the Dolphins, and now you guys, comparing Ginn and his development to former University of Miami star Devin Hester. The comparison, repeated vaguely by Cameron Sunday, attempts to draw a parallel in that Hester didn't return kicks early last year either, while he concentrated on perfecting his punts skills. He started fielding kicks also about a quarter of the way through the season.
Well, that comparison is really a poor one because Devin Hester was a second round pick. Ginn is the ninth player taken overall in the FIRST ROUND. If the Dolphins are comparing the two already, they are already admitting Ginn wasn't worthy of a first round selection because a comparable player went in the second round last year. It's like when former GM Rick Spielman used to compare a fifth-round pick named Tony Bua to Larry Izzo. It was a bad comparison because Izzo was an undrafted free agent.
I suggest somebody in the organization shut down that flawed comparison between Hester and Ginn before it is repeated too many more times and someone gets embarrassed publicly.
Third: I know a lot of you question the naming of Trent Green as the starting quarterback based on the fact he really hasn't won the job on the field. I would agree he didn't do that either. But I remind you there really is much more to being the quarterback than stats. The position is about leadership and poise and confidence and, to some degree, control over other men.
Green may not be the role model for those qualities, but he's the best the Dolphins have right now. And that's the reason he's the starter. Many of you, I know, are disappointed Daunte Culpepper didn't get the opportunity to win the job here. I'm not going to address that situation in this particular blog (surprised?)
But others of you are apparently equally disappointed Cleo Lemon didn't get even one start in the preseason before the job was awarded. I don't think that would have mattered. Nothing Lemon could have done would have raised him to the respect level Green enjoys now among teammates.
And that was sort of confirmed in the locker today when receiver Hakim Az-Zahir was talking about the quarterbacks in camp and said, "Leo Clemens," may still have a chance to show his ability down the road.
Your thoughts?
First Coach Cam Cameron says Ronnie Brown is a starting kick returner for the season. Then on Saturday the coach says he only meant it for one game. Then Brown is back there again Sunday during practice. Then after practice Cameron says Brown has no guarantee of being the starting running back. And that, of course, means first round pick Ted Ginn Jr. is underachieving at kick returner.
And then, one day after Cameron refuses to name Brown or Ginn to any starting duties anywhere, he names Green Miami's starting quarterback. Whew!
Well, this is what I think about that:
First --If Brown ends up as the kick returner and Ginn ends up as the punt returner, the Dolphins will be putting each of their last three first-round picks on special teams when you consider Jason Allen is on both the kick and punt teams, serving various duties. That's three first round picks on special teams.
And unless Brown finally wins the starting running back (which is not guaranteed right now) the Dolphins will have exactly zero of their own former first-round picks playing on both offense and defense.
Any wonder this team is rebuilding?
Second - I keep hearing the Dolphins, and now you guys, comparing Ginn and his development to former University of Miami star Devin Hester. The comparison, repeated vaguely by Cameron Sunday, attempts to draw a parallel in that Hester didn't return kicks early last year either, while he concentrated on perfecting his punts skills. He started fielding kicks also about a quarter of the way through the season.
Well, that comparison is really a poor one because Devin Hester was a second round pick. Ginn is the ninth player taken overall in the FIRST ROUND. If the Dolphins are comparing the two already, they are already admitting Ginn wasn't worthy of a first round selection because a comparable player went in the second round last year. It's like when former GM Rick Spielman used to compare a fifth-round pick named Tony Bua to Larry Izzo. It was a bad comparison because Izzo was an undrafted free agent.
I suggest somebody in the organization shut down that flawed comparison between Hester and Ginn before it is repeated too many more times and someone gets embarrassed publicly.
Third: I know a lot of you question the naming of Trent Green as the starting quarterback based on the fact he really hasn't won the job on the field. I would agree he didn't do that either. But I remind you there really is much more to being the quarterback than stats. The position is about leadership and poise and confidence and, to some degree, control over other men.
Green may not be the role model for those qualities, but he's the best the Dolphins have right now. And that's the reason he's the starter. Many of you, I know, are disappointed Daunte Culpepper didn't get the opportunity to win the job here. I'm not going to address that situation in this particular blog (surprised?)
But others of you are apparently equally disappointed Cleo Lemon didn't get even one start in the preseason before the job was awarded. I don't think that would have mattered. Nothing Lemon could have done would have raised him to the respect level Green enjoys now among teammates.
And that was sort of confirmed in the locker today when receiver Hakim Az-Zahir was talking about the quarterbacks in camp and said, "Leo Clemens," may still have a chance to show his ability down the road.
Your thoughts?
posted by Armando Salguero at 9:31 PM
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I have no idea what Cameron is up to in regards to anything. Ginn?? Green? Culpepper?? Quinn?? What scares me is that I'm getting that feeling all over again that I had with Saban. Here's a guy--Cameron--who talks didacticly about his philosophy about football, just like Saban. For instance, he had a whole philosophy on how to pick a quarterback based on quizing him under preassure, which made sense and all and sounded good, except he ended up picking a punt returner in the end and passed on a franchise QB (possibly). He makes a lot of decisions. Seems sure about all of them. They are somewhat quirky. Who the hell knows? It's Saban all over again unless the guy wins, and nothing right now points to the Dolphins being that great. Culpepper, by the way, didn't look that good in his first game. The guys he threw to were WIDE open. Quinn, on the other hand, looked so much more impressive than Ginn has so far it's ridiculous.
one other thing...Cameron talked about having his players "fail fast forward.'' With that philosophy, wouldn't it make sense to play Ginn more?
Don't believe we have any mystery ... Cam is just motivating/pushing folks to excel to earn spots.
Realistically, he'll play the best players who give us a chance to win. As we're a bit Chitty-Chitty Bang-Bang ... alot of folks will get alot of chances.
You just can't throw rookies out there until they're ready, or they'll turn the ball over, miss plays, or get someone clobbered. Some are game-ready & game-smart quicker than others. Cam will do what anyone would do, play who gives us the best chance to win.
It'll be tough for our defense to win, without unnecessary blunders. Cam could turn them all loose to learn & then draft top five ... but we'd all chant "Off with his head!!"
Gonna be interesting. Go Phins!!!
Cheers, JerryD
I don't think there is really any logic in comparing Hester and Ginn in terms of who was picked earlier in the draft. You pick who you think best fills your needs based on who is there and each draft is a completely different cast of characters. If they picked Beck first and Ginn second, nobody would be talking. I'll be one of the few here to concede Cam can evaluate quarterbacks better than any of us, and if he passed on Quinn, you gotta think he had a good reason, the fact he took Ginn over Quinn and that 70% of the other teams passed on Quinn must tell you something. Cam is not alone in thinking Beck was a better choice than Quinn. Time will tell. Just because Ginn was picked #9 doesn't mean he is supposed to be an instant superstar right out of the chute.
I guess sports writers gotta write about something... I'm all for analyzing whether or not Cameron is sending a message to Brown by having him return kicks.
The whole "it it time to panic yet" line of reasoning really seems silly at this point in the season.
As for comparisons with Hester, the point isn't when a player is picked. The point is how the player performs on the field. Ryan Leaf was picked first so should we use him as a yardstick for Ginn? Of course not.
By your reasoning Beck should perform better than Joe Montana since Montana was only a 3rd round pick and Beck is a second.
How about waiting until October or at least mid September before you start judging Cameron's coaching methods. I'm not saying he is doing it write but I doubt anyone can predict which of the new coaches are going to do well and which will do poorly.
--funkyj
Of course Green will be starting at the beginning of the season. To start Beck right off would be unfair to the fans, JT, and Zack. However, if the fins dont get off to a strong start with there favorable early schedule then I would not be surprised to see Beck starting the second half of the year. I would agree with this move as most great quarterbacks show there mettle under trials by fire ala Aikman, P Manning etc. A half season of work should be enough to show whether Beck has what it takes to be the future of this franchise or whether the fins should go another direction yet again next year.
Secondly, as I said yesterday the fins first round picks have been so obscenely bad the last ten years that if they were not first rounders they might not even make the squad on special teams (that would be you Allen). Does anyone actually believe that there wont be at least three wide receivers taken after Ginn that will end up performing better? I can never remember just a punt returner being taken in the first round before.
There are at least three running backs taken after Brown that are currently having more success in the NFL. (Gore, Parker, Barber etc.) At least these days we are keeping more draft picks so that when our first rounders flop we have other contributors.
I will define this year a success if Beck shows us that he is the QB of the future, the D continues to dominate, one of the young RB's proves that they are the man, and the later draft picks of the last couple years continue to develop like they have this preseason. With that and a few more decent drafts things might start looking up like they do for San Fran and Green Bay. Jake Long #1 next year is a no-brainer. If not we will still be hearing bring back Shula and Marino ten years from now.
This is my question if anyone knows the answer. When was the last time we were 2-0 in preseason? Did we make the playoffs? If my memory serves me correctly we have not won very many preseason games. I know they don't count but they can help build a winning attitude something we have been missing for years, and just maybe they will be a foreshadowing of things to come.
I'll just say this, not particularly to respond to this column: Never has so much been made of two fourth-quarter exhibition touchdown passes.
God I miss Shula. Seems so long ago...seems painfully obvious we are in a rebuilding mode. If you were the coach would it make sense to stockpile draft picks for some of the older value we have on the team?
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I've got a Ted Ginn comparison that I'm starting to think might perhaps be more apt.
I'm thinking of a speedy, undersized receiver that "fell" to us because of injury concerns and was slated to make an impact on special teams. His name? Quentin Spotwood.
Every time I see Ginn, I have a Spotwood flashback.
Of course, this doesn't bode well for us: Spotwood was an undrafted rookie and cost us considerably less than Ginn did. He also didn't hang around the roster very long.
Let's hope Ginn steps it up and stops reminding me of Quentin Spotwood.
They are Bat Crazy comparing Ginn to Hester. Maybe they should compare Ginn to Welker. Cause right now it looks like we are really going to miss the 22.0 avg returning kicks the 9.5 avg returning punts and the 60 receptions out of the slot. Damn those Pats!
Armando,
Flawed logic again regarding Hester and Ginn. While the jury is out on Ginn and he may wind up a bust to say that the Fins are already at a loss becaue Ginn was chosen in the First and Hester in the second is akin to saying those who bought Google's stock at $100 are loosers because someone bought the stock at $80 when it went public. We all know that Hester put the value of a high octane return game in the spotlight therefore on the surface it is not all that unreasonable to think that a player such as Hester would be drafted higher. Now like I said the Jury is still out and it is far too early to campare the two.
Who cares where he was picked? Obviously there is more pressure for him to perform (being a higher pick). Its too late to change our draft pick now. The draft is over, he is just another player in camp now. The organizations who are willing to let the best players play are the ones who win. Saying you can't compare Hester and Ginn is like saying you can't compare Brady and Manning because Brady was a 5th round pick. By that flawed logic you could also say that you can't compare Akili Smith to Brady(but for the wrong reason!), because Smith was taking early so he should be better. Mel Kiper is the luckiest man in sports to have a job, because where players get drafted means jackshit! (See Zack and Jason) I bet only half of the draft picks ever pan out. I wonder how many different first round picks actually make the pro-bowl each year?
6th round, excuse me
I agree with a lot of these comments. You can't compare where a player was picked at a position from one year to the next. Just look at positions as an example. Safeties weren't considered an elite position for quite some time. Then you have guys like Polamalu (sp?) step it up and suddenly Safety is a position being picked higher in the draft than usual. The same can be said for Tight End. Once Tony Gonzalez started tairing up the league, guys like Kellen and Shockey were higher picks than usual based on others seeing the use. Hester might have started something as a special teams ace. If Ginn develops into something, let's see how next year's draft pans out.
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To save you having to read the 12 page paper, the relavant conclusion is that no explosions of the nature required to bring down buildings were recorded by the many seismographs recording in the area during the time of the collapses of WTC buildings. NONE. Shawn and his 9/11 lunatics are peddling an evil fantasy.
Armando, please delete the offending portion of his post. Then you may delete this as well.
Cameron's comparison of Ginn and Hester has absolutely nothing to do with when they were drafted; it revolves around potential similarities in development.
Brown will be the starting RB just as Green is QB regardless of preseason game production.
Gee, what a shocker. Trent Green was named the starting QB by Cam Cameron. After all that B.S. written here about how Cleo Lemon might have a shot and how we have an open competition..blah..blah..blah. I mentioned it here almost three weeks ago that, barring injury, there was no way in the dark bowels of HADES that Trent Green wouldn't be our opening day starter. Told you so. Armando, its a no-brainer that Trent Green possesses the leadership qualities that are needed at the QB position. I don't know if Lemon will ever get there. He will be #2 for part of the year, but it won't be long until Beck becomes the clear cut #2.
The Ginn vs Hester debate. Being a huge Canes fan, I love Hester, no doubt. However, he's nothing more than a kick/punt returner. He was a "DB" coming out of college, but I only saw one game were he played DB and he would get beat and beat often. I saw him lineup on offense, but never saw anything as exciting as when he returns kicks. Ted Ginn can be an asset as a receiver AND a returner. In the long run, he'll have more value than a Hester, unless Hester can all of a sudden show that he can play on the offensive side of the ball.
About being 2-0 in the preseason, when will you get it through your thick heads that preseason records mean NADA....ZIP! The Cowboys won a superbowl after going 0-4 in preseason. Repeat after me: PRESEASON RECORDS DON'T MEAN A DAMN THING. Smoke and mirrors people...that is all you're seeing. Almost half of the people you're watching play will be GONE by Sept. 9th.
I know the Herald wants to sell papers and generate hits on their website so we can click on their advertisers, but come on people, lets quit being sheep, lets quit drinking the kool-aid, and open our eyes to whats really happening. Cam Cameron is doing what he can do motivate these guys. Don't read too much into all this mumbo jumbo. I swear, the herald could reprint its papers from all the previous preseasons and it would all read the same. Only the names would be changed.
If some of you loved Quinn so much, then go buy your #10 Browns jersey and use it to wipe your ass. He ain't here...get over it already.
It was so refreshing to see Cam go for it on 4th and goal, it showed me that he sees the preseason as a time to learn and he is going to practice as many things as he can while the score doesn't matter. It would be nice if just one of you writers would notice some of the good things that Cam is trying to do and stop harping on everything. I'm sick of your negativity!
History repeats itself. I remember this same series of articles and these same claims of competition - back when Wanny led the Dolphins and his butt-buddy was Feidler. Stop blowing smoke up our asses; there was NEVER a competition. Cam pursued Green like a dog chasing a bone and you think there was a chance he wouldn't be the starter? The Dolphins coaching staff makes me sick.
"And unless Brown finally wins the starting running back (which is not guaranteed right now) the Dolphins will have exactly zero of their own former first-round picks playing on both offense and defense."
...Vernon Carey
Geez people..some of you are clueless. Cam said it was an open competition to motivate Lemon (and Beck for that matter). He wants them all to get into the MINDSET of being the starter...because we ALL know it only takes one good hit and the will be! Everyone knew Trent would start, but he still wants Cleo to push and play hard.
JinVA
I disagree with not being able to compare Hester to Ginn, sure Hester was taken in the second round, but how many teams would have taken him in the first round knowing what we all know now? I would surely trade Jason Allan in for him.
I guess that's what fans and the media are supposed to do, sit around and second guess EVERY move the coach makes in pre-season -- otherwise, where is the debate, where is the story? But I think we as Dolphins fans look as bad as Cubs and Red Sox fans, looking for any way to play the victim and anticipate disaster before anything even happens. I've been a die-hard loyalist since before WoodStrock, believe me, I've been through the ringer with this team. But there's no need to call for the coach's head just because Quinn and Culpepper completed a couple of passes and Ted Ginn ran east-west in the first couple preseason games. When the O-Line matures, this offense will be great. Bottom line. What is encouraging, though, is that despite a few fluttery passes, and a few drops, Trent Green does have a presence on the field -- you can tell just by the way he walks out of the huddle -- that we haven't seen since Marino.
LOL. You crack me up. C'mon man, please write something with some substance and quit trying to stir things up. First it was C'pep this and C'pep that. Then it was Ginn's not returning kicks? Then it's Brown is not the starting RB? I can't believe you are not screaming that Lemon should have had a chance to start, how come Green get's a pass? And what about Lorenzo Booker? How come you're not dogging him yet? LOL
All fun aside, you do realize it's still preason right? Pre...season. When the games start for real you'll see Brown at running back and you'll see plenty of Ginn at KR, PR and WR. He won't be the starter at WR, but he'll be in there enough. Same goes with Lorenzo Booker or were you not paying attention when Coach Cam said even before the draft, the one thing this team needed was SPEED. Chatman has been interesting cuz he has some speed and I'm sure he'll share some duties with Brown, but give Brown a hole the size that Chatman ran thru the other night and you'll see Brown do the same thing.
So can we have some REAL discussion now? No? Well it is still preseason I guess. LOL
I'm not sure if the team has bought into Greens leadership, Cams success is tied to Green's leaderhip, and so far both Cam and Green are lacking the "L-factor". Leadership is excercised by present/current examples not past accomplishments. The current moves have lacked the "L-factor", unless Green morphs into quaterback, he's going to take Cam down with him.
Armando:
I love you, man, but what the hell were you smoking this morning before you came on the radio?!?
You almost sounded dumber than Sid and your voice cracked at least 50 times. Don't get flustered by Sid's sophomoric lack of eloquence...compose yourself and carry yourself like the half-intelligent rag-writer we've grown to love.
It's preseason people. Untie your panties and relax a little. Also Mando is right and Green should be the starter because he commands respect and his teammates trust him. He has earned that trust with his resume alone. I'm getting the feeling that anything less than a 9-7 record for Cam will be no good for some of these "fans". Does anyone remember how analysts (after Saban left) were saying that it was going to be hard for Miami to find a coach because of the mess they would be coming into? And now some of you want him to perform a miracle or you will crucify him. You should be thanking Cam for trying to bail us out. We weren't the only team interested in his services, but we were the team he chose.
C'mon Armando, get off the old schtick about comparing a first rounder (Ginn) with a second rounder (Hester). Ginn "should" be better but we all know that most 1st round selections never live up to their billing and that every year there are sleepers in the draft picked in the mid and late rounds that turn in Pro Bowlers. Draft picking is not a science, luck does play into it, otherwise lots of GM's would trade their first round pick for a bunch of late rounders. They make their best assessment and role the dice. Maybe Ginn will be a good player, but not great. Maybe he will be great, but in three years. It is so hard to tell and so early. But what Hester and Ginn are now, are NFL players. Their draft status means squat. Ginn will be played by Cam according to his ability on the field, not his draft status.
Mando, thought you were great on the radio this morning. Very energetic and funny.
nyscott said You should be thanking Cam for trying to bail us out. We weren't the only team interested in his services, but we were the team he chose.
How long do you sit on the toilet thinking up these words of wisdom and advice? The same can be said for Dave Wannstedt and Nick Saban - Nick was far more in demand. Should we thank them? Bail us out? Are you daft? He should be thankful he is being paid millions and is not penalized for performance.
BTW, we can all complain all we like about the NFL, coaches, and more specifically the Dolphins. These coaches and players are making a fortune of playing a game. We fans pay their salaries. Is it any wonder than a fan would demand more of a player whose annual salary would require the average person to work for 100 years.
Armando,
Great points on Ginn. True, I am concerned - to say the least - about his prospects for contributing in any measurable way this season. Apparently he's already lost the kick return job (and wasn't it a kick he returned for a touchdown in the "College Superbowl" - whatever the he!! they call that farce of a championship?), and his punt returns last game were, well, "underwhelming".
I only hold out this hope: With Ginn's speed and work ethic, he will develop into a deep threat at WR for us. Perhaps even late this season. Truthfully, I could care less about PR/KR - at #9 he has to turn into a starting wide receiver for us. Otherwise, Mueller totally screwed the pooch in drafting him so high.
With that said, typically rookie WRs have very little impact - the one exception being Randy Moss.
So, I guess I continue to hold hope for Ginn even if he does nothing at WR THIS season. But he HAS to start as a WR in year 2 and 3. Otherwise - BUST!
Mando, I heard you this morning also. that was good insight on the WRs not snatching the available jobs. I wish you would write about that sometime.
I feel a lot better about Cameron passing on Quinn than I did about Saban passing on Brees!
Look, we finally have a coach who has a CLUE about offensive football! I give him the benefit of the doubt.
When we drafted Ginn, I was a little worried about the foot injury. No sign of that; not one word about it in a couple of months. As far as I'm concerned, he was a good pick. Honestly, I would have rather had a Joe Staley or someone like that at the time, but that's life.
John Beck? No regrets! The guy is going to be good, if not great!
Hey "anonymous" Wanny and Saban are the ones who got us here. What are you a new fan or something? Wanny taking over for Johnson is not even close to the same situation Cam is in. How can you even try to compare the two? At least Johnson left Wannny with a great young defense, what did Saban leave Cam or any other coach who would dare take on this mountain sized challenge? A 1st round,#2 pick RB who has yet to prove he deserves to be starting, A qb with a bum knee and ANOTHER GUY MASQUERADING as a qb (Joey), an aging defense with another 1st round #9 draft pick who looks like a bust,and a coaching staff that was largely picked because they coached for Saban in college. The one good thing that was left was Capers and you can thank Huzienga (not Saban) for that because he is one of the highest paid D coordinators in the league.PS If you don't like how much the players and coaches get paid here's some advice from you that only took me 1 minute of toilet time to come up with. Stop going to games,stop watching the games on TV, stop buying jerseys and other team related items. In other words,stop being a fan. PS You can get your point across without calling people names, or maybe you can't. It's really kind of childish wouldn't you say?
I have tried to give Cameron the benefit of the doubt. I am a huge Dolphin fan in Indiana. I watched him do nothing for the Hoosiers and he is off to the same start in Miami. His draft showed he has no clue. He can not judge talent. I just hope to live long enough for one more Super Bowl. I know it won't be with Cameron as our coach.
nyscott said At least Johnson left Wannny with a great young defense, what did Saban leave Cam or any other coach who would dare take on this mountain sized challenge?
He left what he got - a great defense and nothing else.
I have been a fan since the 70's. I was there for the perfect season. I remember playing with Bob Griese' kids at the Waterpark in Hialeah, you?
I didn't call you names. I referenced a characteristic identified in your writing and thought processes and actually asked a question.
Lastly, Culpepper isn't displaying a bum knee now is he? How great is Trent's surgically repaired knee? Who's having the better preseason, the QB in an offense he knows or the QB with two weeks in a training camp with an all new offense?
Its simple. Ginn was the wrong pick. Green should never have been pursued. Right now, the only thing Cam may have done correctly is pick Beck over Quinn. Otherwise his draft is little different than Saban's - a wasted #1 and pissing away a future draft and past draft pick for a QB who wasn't the answer.
I do enjoy your posts though; naive and optimistic and a true company man. Funny stuff to read.
To add to this silly debate. Here's the difference between Ginn and Hester:
Ginn was the best receiver on the best offense in the country in college. His stats compared favorably to many high profile receivers, including Chambers. That alone merits 1st round consideration.
So not only is he a ST threat, he will also be our primary slot receiver and will stretch the field.
Hester is only beginning to learn the WR position and knowing what we know now, he would have been 1st round material.
So yes, the comparison b/t Hester and Ginn are lame because Ginn has a lot more ability to contribute to offense than Hester can ever hope to do.
And Mando, once again, you fail to see the full picture. You're analysis skills are deteriorating faster than JJ's hair gel solution under the mid-afternoon sun.
Idiot.
Hey guys can you believe Trent won the " QB competition"!?!?! It was sooooooo close between Cleo and Trent , I'm just glad he showed us he's SO MUCH BETTER than Cleo and DC...............LOL BS!!!!!!! Cam may as well have told Trent he was the starter back when he traded for him!!!!! Another brilliant LIE from Cam, how can it be a open competition when Cleo hasn't even been given a fair chance to win the spot!!!
Cam needs to stop trying to sugar coat everything with his lies and just be straight up!!! He would get alot less criticism from the fans that have been lied to and misled by previous regime's!!!!!
Oh and Ginn looks like the next Peter Warrick!!!!!
You didn't think I was really gonna start, did you?
blah, blah, blah. Get a life people. All games are sold out and the only available tickets are in a different zip code.
No one cares what you think.
I think everyone needs to relax and let coach do his thing. This team hasn’t been run this well since a couple of years before Shula retired.
As for the so called fans who are still crying for Quinn over Beck, I have to say; Have you ever followed Notre Dame? Quinn is the ultimate chokester. The guy never won a single game that meant something. And this isn’t the same as Marino not winning the superbowl, he carried the Dolphins on his shoulders most games. But Quinn just fell apart! His team was the stronger team in most cases, but he played terrible every time it counted. Not to mention the fact that Quinn played for a top NFL Offensive mind while at Notre Dame and still didn’t get it done.
Go John Beck!
There you go again, Armando....The best thing that has happened is that we can view the interviews with Cameron and whoever without your BS interpretation of what the person is really saying, on tghe Dolphin web site. Armando, go find out something that we can't see for ourselves and, PLEASE try to report it in it's true light, without your bullshi t spin.
you guys from miami are douchbags devin hester is 4 maybe 5 times better than ginn
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