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Wednesday, August 15, 2007

Jesse Chatman may make run at Ronnie Brown

I like Ronnie Brown and think he has a chance to be a good back at some point.

But .......

In the coming month or so, be very vigilant of what is going on with the Dolphins running back situation. Despite the fact Brown remains the starter now and likely will stay that way for some time, Dolphins coaches are really intrigued with Jesse Chatman.

Chatman has shown, at times, an ability to break tackles that Brown has not shown the new staff yet. In the game against Jacksonville, you saw Chatman turn a dull offensive evening into something to feel OK about when he broke off a 74-yard run.

What coaches saw was that Chatman improvised, bouncing off a hole that was closed, cutting back, then out-running defenders to the end zone. Granted, it was against second- and third-team defenders, but he was working with second- and third-team offensive linemen.

It bears noting that Chatman is a back Cam Cameron knows well since his days at San Diego. It bears noting that GM Randy Mueller has had a hand in bringing Chatman to the Dolphins twice now in the last three seasons.

It also bears noting that Chatman, while not exactly time-tested, isn't a scrapheap rookie. He has played in the NFL and succeeded. He had a career-best 103 yards on 11 carries, including a 41-yard TD against Jacksonville in 2004.

During the regular season.

He averaged 6 yards per carry that season for the Chargers.

Now I am not saying Ronnie Brown is about to lose his job. I am not trying to create a running back controversy (not yet anyway). But I am giving everyone a heads up that Chatman is coming on while Brown's first action of the preseason netted 8 yards on 8 carries.

It also shouldn't escape everyone's attention that Brown was drafted by Nick Saban so the current Miami braintrust has no vested interest in him. If he's great, he's great and everyone's happy.

But if he's not as good as the guy behind him, there is no pressure to prop him up because neither Cameron nor Mueller picked him.

So check to see how the two runners compare against KC and the rest of the preseason. In fact, keep your eyes open to this budding competition the entire season.

152 Comments:

Anonymous Shawn said...

Best backup RB since, umm, Ricky?

Chatman had 1 run in the first pre-season game. still hoping R Brown reaches his star potential...would love to someday see Ronnie running behind an effective line.

9/11 was an inside job

checkout www.wtc7.net watch the collapse videos

learn the truth

3:03 AM  
Blogger JaxDolphin said...

Yo Armando. I have to agree with you here. I know that's two in a row, but I believe Chatman is the better RB and so should be the starter. I've seen (and read here) that he totes the rock straight to the hole, without the maddening hesitation Brown exhibits on virtually every handoff. Ronnie takes a handoff, hops forward about a yard, stops and looks for a hole. You can't do that in the NFL. He who hesitates is lost, and so is his team. Not so with Chatman, his feet were always churning. I don't think they will make him the starter until week three or four, by which time it will be obvious to all that Jesse should be the man. Cam will give Ronnie every chance to 'fail forward', because the coaching staff doesn't want to rush (pun intended) to judgment; but just like the Jaguars defense on Saturday night, Brown won't be able to catch Chatman from behind. This isn't a bandwagon thing, I just think we will see who is the better player.
We need an RB who hits the hole without all the dancing around in the backfield. With an O line like ours, sometimes you have to make your own holes.
The man is hungry. But after eating himself out of a career, he now wants to eat up points, yardage and defenses instead.
Chatman possesses mental and physical toughness, which is precisely what Malcolm is calling for.

This is going to be one helluva season. Don't worry though, I'm sure we'll disagree on something soon. Keep those posts coming, can't read enough about the 'Phins

3:53 AM  
Blogger j dizzle said...

I've always had a ?? about Ronnie , he needs to play in a system that doesn't depend on him. Some where he can share time with another HB. He cannot handle the full load, mainly because he can't create his own holes, and just like Jax said with our line he has to be able to do that!!!Look at when he had Ricky he looked OK nothing spectacular!!!

Now if I'm not mistaken Cam did say every position was a open competition,and because he didn't draft Ronnie I can see Chatman listed as the #1 HB by week one if he can show more of what he did Saturday all preseason.

8:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Im saving this post.. you guys including Armondo are fools.. Jesse Chatham is vinge NFL player.. Remember that great preseason game that Russel (RB from IOWA).... wow... where is he now.. gimme a break. Ronnie is a beast that runs a sub 4.4....Jesse Chatham deserves to be playing in Europe... BRING BACK RICKY

8:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

911 was an inside job. No steel framed building had ever collapsed due to fire yet on 911, 3 buildings "collapsed" with =in a span of 6 hours - WTC1, 2 and WTC7. This was to provide "shock and awe" on the American people so that we would go along with "wars that will not end in our lifetime". Read up on the "Project For A New American Century" and their quest to conquer the middle east. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm

9:09 AM  
Anonymous IPSE DIXIT said...

Let's hope that Shawn has the TRUTH hit him between his two brain cells with a lobotomy.

His EVERY inane comment ends with the same delusional insanity.

It is time to give it up, Shawn. Terrorists attacked the World Trade Center. Millions saw it on T.V. as it happened. That is the TRUTH. What you are peddling is insanity. Get some help.

We can live with your inanities, but take your insanity to another venue; it's FOOTBALL season.

9:14 AM  
Anonymous IPSE DIXIT said...

Anon 9:09 See comment about Shawn and apply it to yourself.

9:22 AM  
Anonymous Randy said...

>>>Ronnie is a beast that runs a sub 4.4.<<<

Maybe on a track with a stopwatch, but how many times have we seen Ronnie Brown make it past the line only to be dragged down from behind by a defender who catches up to him? He doesn't have game speed, and that's all that really matters.

9:24 AM  
Anonymous Patrick said...

1st off, please save the 9/11 crap for some conspiracy blog. As an engineer I can tell you those buildings could not structurally withstand the devastating blow caused by the airplanes and the subsequent fuel fire that followed. Take it where other idiots are as naive as you are.

Sorry fellow fins, that crap pisses me off. Now to the real blog... Ronnie Brown is not a fluid runner, he has stiff hips and is not very illusive. He has power and speed but as has been pointed out, he hesitates at the point of attack. With a great offensive line Ronnie could be a great back but he is no LT when it comes to nifty running. He needs a hole so he can run down hill and use his power and speed.

That said, does it mean Chatman will usurp the starting job? I don't think so, we would need to see Chatman against the starting defense before he could make a claim to the stating job. I was surprised by his speed after he broke through the hole on that 74 yarder.

I don't think it matters which RB is in there as long as our OL plays as poorly as it did against Jax. The opening OL didn't block anyone and either back would have gotten killed at the start of that game. The key to this team is the OL, if it does not come together it is going to be a long season.

9:31 AM  
Blogger H.C.D. said...

First off, Armando, please remove these moronic 9/11 conspiracy posts. This is a FOOTBALL blog!!

Secondly, are you HIGH, Armando?

Jesse Chatman is a backup RB. That is all he will EVER be. If he starts, its because the regular starter is hurt or suspended.

You don't discard or discount the #2 overall pick in the draft from 2005 this quickly. This is his third year and it is make or break time for Ronnie Brown and he knows it. This whole "game speed" argument is horse excrement as I don't recall Walter Payton or Emmitt Smith being speed burners. Ronnie Brown has to find the holes, catch the passes thrown his way and pick up those 3rd and 3's when we need him to. If he's a failure this year, he's gone.

My point is, Jesse Chatman had a great run in a meaningless pre-season game. When you start putting stock in ANYTHING that happens in a pre-season game, you're becoming delusional. Its all smoke and mirrors right now. Nobody, except the guys hoping to make the team, is playing extra hard. So Ronnie Brown only had 8 yards on 8 carries. Who the F cares? We want a runner that can persevere and run hard well into the 4th qtr. How can you tell that from 8 carries in a few series? Answer: YOU CAN'T

Quit weighing these preseason games so heavily. They mean ZIP, ZERO, NADA.

Chatman is a backup....Ronnie Brown is a bonafide #1 back and has the potential to be a stud RB. End of discussion.

9:40 AM  
Blogger Armando Salguero said...

Guys, I was going to delete the 911 conspiracy theory junk but then it hit me that sometimes it is better to let a moron speak and show himself to be a moron than to silence him and let everyone wonder.

That's the reason I love it everytime the demorcrats have a debate on national TV.

9:45 AM  
Blogger mike said...

"That's the reason I love it everytime the demorcrats have a debate on national TV. "

Then you must keel over in fear every time George Bush opens his mouth.

9:55 AM  
Blogger Antonio said...

"Then you must keel over in fear every time George Bush opens his mouth."

- touche.

10:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brown and Chatman will share carries this year, similar to how Ricky and Brown shared. If Chatman is more effective than Brown the decision as to who gets more carries will be evident, there will be no hard choice to make.

10:12 AM  
Blogger Armando Salguero said...

There is no fear or spirit of fear in me, guys. Only faith.

10:21 AM  
Anonymous Steve said...

Shame on Shawn and Armando Salguero both for bring this political crap in here... this is a sports blog!

Armando, you should be a professional and stop ramming your political views down our throats.

I'm heading over to the sunsentinel.com dolphins blog.

10:38 AM  
Blogger John R. said...

Don't you think Ronnie is a little gun shy? Since his first season he has been getting hit as soon as he gets the ball. He attempts to twist out and get back to the line. I think this is developing bad tendencies but what choice has he had. I thought it was amazing RB got 1000 yds last season, considering how terrible the line was to start. I want so see what he can do with a line that can hold the line of scrimmage. What about an o-line combo of Carey-Liw.-Satele-Shelton-Alabi. I thought Shelton really improved once his fat ass was switched to guard.

10:40 AM  
Blogger John R. said...

Armando, Can you remove Steve's comment. I'm offended someone would go to a Fort Lauderdale paper for Dolphins info.

10:43 AM  
Blogger Helbourne said...

Well if it is faith you lack Armando, you have problems. Faith is all anyone has each year. Brown should not be set aside, Chatman shouldn't neither. Most teams utilize two RBs, Having two backs on the field help in opening holes or causing confusion in the defense on who will get the ball. It is possible that between the two they can learn from each others style and use it on the field.

The Browns, Oakland and other teams had success using two backs on the field. How do we know if this is not part of Cam's idea. We keep saying we need depth, well having to RBs add depth to the OL. Rather than dissecting everyone on the team to find their faults, we should be looking how to find and use their talents. It doesn't matter who will be the #1 RB, but if they both can contribute.

And Armando, do not be a dumb ass republican... do not start throwing politics here. This is about football, not the lunacy of shit for brains Bush and his followers.

10:45 AM  
Blogger Armando Salguero said...

Steve: Have fun over there. You'll be back.

John: Folk are free to do whatever they want, including making mistakes.

And Hellbourne: I said I have faith, not lack it. Reeeeaaaaddd moooore sllooooowlllly so you comprehend.

11:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You stupid reject Armando... if it were not that Jedd Bush banged his illegal imigrant servant... you would not have a job here!!!!!!

11:08 AM  
Blogger Helbourne said...

I think it is you who should read or write more s l o w l y, Armando. You sound like you have given up on the fins from the very beginning.
It is one thing to talk or review what is going on, but you sit there and act as if you have all the answers. You are not apparently in the coaching staff knowing exactly what they are trying to do or look for. You are not on the field playing. You do as we do, sit back and watch and make assessments by what you only see. That is only one side of the deal. Just because your buddy Saban is not here is no reason to make Cam look as if he does not know what he is doing.

You may make good suggestions or statements, but until your ideas are proven... it is just talk. We all have insight to what we think is the correct way, or whom to place in the game to correct our problems, but it does not mean we are correct or know it all.

Get off that high horse of yours, or if you know so much rush on down to the Dolphins organization and tell them you have all the answers.

11:21 AM  
Blogger Armando Salguero said...

Anon: it's JEB not Jedd. And what livestock did your dad mate with to produce you?

Also Hellbourne: Thanks for admitting your misread my entry. Very big of you. Oh, you kinda glossed right over that ... never mind.

Peace and goodwill people!!!

Now back to jesse Chatman ....

11:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unfortunately that cow was your grandmother Armando...

cuban idiot.... wetback.... whatever you big mouthed faggot.

11:38 AM  
Blogger j dizzle said...

I have a question for all the jerks out there ragging my homie Armando.

What makes a blog interesting? Since you don't seem to know it's
Duante Culpepper...........LOL.
Naw I'm just joking , but seriously if Armando didn't give us these issues to comment on you wouldn't stop by to check it out and state your own two cents!!!! Look back at the positive blogs no one COMMENTS!!!! But the ones that are about DC , and other issues have 40+ comments. So if you don't want to hear what he has to say don't post your hating ass comments on his blog cause ultimately he wins cause once you click in, it registers a hit as page viewed.............DUMBASS!!!!!

11:53 AM  
Blogger Marcus said...

I love it when people hide behind the veil of the "anonymous" label. I dare you to go to a Dolphins game and start spewing your ignorant insults. Chances are, you wouldn't be posting here anymore until scientists fashion a way for quadriplegics to post on blogspot.

Get a life. Your time would be better spent working towards that G.E.D. Everyone else in your trailer park has one, I think it's your turn.

11:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

j dizzle???

Sounds like another white boy who thinks he's a brutha.

DUMBASS!!!

12:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

j dizzle...
Comments are comments, but being overly judemental is where the bullshit lies here. Yes, he has written some positive things, but to say something to get arise out of people is not why we are here. half the time he is to busy bashing the players, coaches, and decisions without having true understanding of what Cameron's doing. When was the last time he sat down and talked with Cam to get insight on what's going on inside? He hasn't. We are all here to discuss sports, and allow everyone his or her opinion without dumb remarks. It is also one thing having people coming on here making dumb remarks, but when the professional writer drops to that level, he does not belong here.

I agree at times he makes sense, but I find more intellect in the people who write here more than Armando.

12:08 PM  
Blogger j dizzle said...

LOL sounds like I'm not affraid to post my screen name for future reference!!! And just for the books I am black............CHUMP!!!!

12:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous homie...
apparently your as dumb as Armando.... efen wanna be armandoass kisser

12:12 PM  
Blogger j dizzle said...

BUT YOU FOLKS CONTINUOSLY COME BACK!?!?!?!?!?! How smart is that??? If you know what type of writer he is don't visit don't let him get your hit as page viewed, its that simple!!!!!

12:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1) After reading days' worth of negative comments here about Ronnie Brown, I watched my Tivo of the Dolphins/Jax game (from the NFL Network replay). And while I don't think the performance will get Brown nominated to the Hall Of Fame, I couldn't help noticing how often he got dumped three yards behind the line of scrimmage. Good luck to Jesse Chatman or anybody else behind that kind of OL performance. I don't think Brown has been a superstar, but given the offensive line's talent and performance the last two years, I'm still encouraged by Brown's potential. And I'm encouraged that Chatman can be a nice back-up.

2) Why are so many people so tough on Armando? I greatly enjoy his writing and reporting. Sure, he attempts to stir things up from time to time, just like a talk show host. But he's smart and conscientious and mostly a fine reporter... except when he falls into the trap of a few others here and wears his politics on his sleeve. Anybody who cares to can find a good political blog to rant on. (I lean toward libertarian politics myself ... see, I just proved that nobody here cares about each other's personal politics, so let's lay off.)

3) Who on this blog actually knows offensive football theory better than Cam Cameron? OK, so why can't we all accept his judgment that poor Daunte is not the right QB for Cameron's program?

12:16 PM  
Blogger j dizzle said...

Also its hillarious to see you folks get work up over a comment from someone you don't even KNOW!!!

I just hope you're all at work sitting in your office ON THE CLOCK
making money while blogging LIKE ME!!!

12:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

j dizzle said...
"And just for the books I am black..."

Another delusional soul. Pathetic.

12:29 PM  
Blogger Helbourne said...

You're right Armando... there was no apology. Making a statement of faith, and writing based on faith are two different things.

I am optimistic on this whole year for nothing is clear. Brown, likes to run right up the middle, and that would be great if he had the strength Emmit Smith, Barry Sanders, or Larry Csonka had (forgive me if I misspelled Larry's last name), but that doesn't mean he will not be great. It is the coaching staffs job to build upon his talent, and his want to be the best RB in the NFL that will drive him to make whatever changes necessary to do so. That's the bottom line with every player in the NFL, to be willing to make changes, and these million dollar babies coming from college have bigs heads thinking they know it all, and that is why so many aren't panning out in the NFL today. Just because you were great in college ( a different game than NFL) doesn't mean you'll be the star you feel you are.

12:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

j dizzle said...
"I just hope you're all at work sitting in your office ON THE CLOCK
making money while blogging LIKE ME!!!"

Stealing from the company are you? I thought so.

12:34 PM  
Blogger j dizzle said...

We are up to 37 comments keep them coming!!! I'm soooooooo glad you guys allow me to have such a negative affect on your day!!!

12:43 PM  
Blogger j dizzle said...

And I wouldn't call it stealing more like a "Benifit"!!!

Don't hate me cause you ain't me!!!!

12:45 PM  
Anonymous jeremiah was a bullfrog said...

Anyone else think Armando is fruitloops?

Please read his posts: in one he contemplates censorship by post deletion, then goes on to call the author a "moron" instead. Same post he introduces his own political opinion.

Next post he introduces his religious beliefs and tells people "you'll be back" when they say his drivel is not worth reading.

Remember his post a few weeks back where he said all that mattered to him was if people showed up to give his blog hits?

I got news for you Armando, your papers fins coverage is 3rd rate right now, and if you think you can't lose hits to the Sun-sen and PBP blogs, you are delusional. This is my first click through on any blog or article with your name on it since I read that fateful post where you divulge your opinion of us as being no more than clickers.

Well, read up folks and take note before he censors me: Don't be Armandos Clickers.

If you think he's less than objective then get your fins news somewhere else. Don't feed the monster.

12:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

J dizzle is a worthless piece of shit... a theif... moron... and brainless turd

12:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why are you deleting shit armando? You are equally part of the crap here. Why won't you let the remarks about you remain? Too much of a baby to handle the names called back to your juvenille remarks?

12:55 PM  
Blogger j dizzle said...

Am I really??? LOL right back at you chump!!!!!

1:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

j dizzle said... "I just hope you're all at work sitting in your office ON THE CLOCK
making money while blogging LIKE ME!!!"(a thief)

j dizzle also said... "And I wouldn't call it stealing more like a "Benifit"!!!" (an uneducated thief)


j dizzle went on to say...
"And just for the books I am black..." (duh!)

1+1=2. But then again, you probably can't add either.

1:08 PM  
Anonymous shawn said...

Wow, a bit intense today on the blog. interesting how when you hide behind a computer, or stealing wheel in your car, the anger comes out.

Armando, keep up the good work. I'm a fan even if you call me a moron for what I say. I know its not about red state vs blue state, a way to divide us, but its painfully obvious the current regime is a complete war machine! you seem like a wise person...

the rest of you attacking Armando, c'mon, maybe take a look at yourelf, why are you so angry. I am sure its not based on Armando.

Patrick, I don't care if your an engineer, even NIST has no explanation of how WTC 7 collapsed at free fall speed, symmetrically, into its own foot print. watch the collapse videos here wtc7.net . it is fully obvious when you watch the video that this was a controlled demolition. Wake up people, we are not in Iraq to spread democracy. we are killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people. think for yourself and investigate the evidence of 9/11 instead of believing what Fox news and CNN tells you...

1:38 PM  
Anonymous Shawn said...

BTW World Trade Center 7 was not hit by an airplane. do you know how it collapsed?

1:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shawn said...
BTW World Trade Center 7 was not hit by an airplane. do you know how it collapsed?

Yes I do.

It was the lizard like aliens from the planet Zardon who struck it with their "collapse in it's own footprint" laser beam.

1:47 PM  
Blogger j dizzle said...

I guess I should be upset with the racial comment?!?!? LOL buddy you can't make me mad , I don't know you and you don't know me!!! So keep tryin I'll let you know when you strike a nerve DUMBASS, with no job!!!!

1:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is one reason alone we are in Iraq... and that is oil! And who do we know in the oil business? Bush and Chenny! It is nothing but a capitalistic war for republicans as the Bush family who is making it rich off every aspect of this so called war.

Ask, where were the weapons of destruction? Were they the burried wrecked planes from Dessert Storm? Or the overly imaginitive mind of a corupt idealist, and rich protecting asshole named Bush. The only people making it well are the rich, as they always have. They've taken our jobs to Mexico, paying them $8.00 an hour in their money, which less than one US dollar. They are doing it all over the globe, going to places where the US dollar equals $400 in their currency, and then cry they are not making money. Yeah.. they pay pennies on the dollar to manufacture and ship these products and then sell it as if it were made here at US dollar rates. Efen theives.... if you do not believe me... there are free currency convertors online to download, and see what one US dollar is in China, Mexico, Tiawan, and every other country they produce in, and if you think their paying them in US currency you have a real mental condition.

So, yes I believe the WTC was set up as a ploy just as Pearl Harrbor was.

2:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

j dizzle said...
I guess I should be upset with the racial comment?!?!? LOL buddy you can't make me mad , I don't know you and you don't know me!!! So keep tryin I'll let you know when you strike a nerve DUMBASS, with no job!!!!


What? No kick my ass comment? I'm disappointed. The "violence first" stance would have rounded out the picture.

2:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh... swammy Armando... one who knows all... rubb that crystal balls of your boyfriend and give us the answer.... we need your great guidance oh hash mouth wonder... maybe if I vist the zoo I will catch you digging the crap right out of the elephants ass... just like he does his own...

2:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know what??? I figured it out... J Dizzle is armando... always starting something because he has nothing left to say that's worth while...

2:11 PM  
Anonymous Shawn said...

right on Anonymous!

It's more than oil though. after the cold war ended, there were many in the intelligence community that felt this was our chance to become the lone superpower and spread the empire, see People for the New Amercian Century. This is where the idea and action of unilateral pre-emptive strike, as in Iraq, comes from.

Given a 'new pearl harbour' b/c the Amercan public would not be behind an increase of military expenditure from 40Bill a year to 400bill a year, if not more, without it. Iraq and Afghanistan is about strategy for the eventual conquering of Asia, as ever great empire has done in the past, see Brezinski's Grand Chessboard for more on this. 9/11 was the trigger for the war on terror.

wakeup sports fans, the Patriot Act is doing away with our civil liberties and the War on Terror is killing hundreds of thousands of humans.

2:12 PM  
Anonymous D Nasty said...

We r to Free thats what I will say about all this WTC conspiracy talk! Get a F^&%&^%N Job and do something... anything constructive!! You have way to much time on your hands to dream about BS! WHat an Idiot..I'm afraid to even tell the weak Anonymous poster to just talk football his brain might explode!! Give me break

2:13 PM  
Anonymous D Nasty said...

FOOTBALL FOOTBALL PEOPLE IF YOU Want to talk cloak and dagger BS Bounce go somewhere else hell call each other up we don't want to hear that Crap

2:15 PM  
Anonymous shawn said...

Thats Project for a New Amercian Century, PNAC, or the neo-cons...

2:16 PM  
Blogger j dizzle said...

Still not upset try AGAIN. And why would I go witht the kick your ass comment??? You won't even leave a screen name!!! Just keep hiding my friend we know your an illegal alien looking for work!!!!

2:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"wakeup sports fans, the Patriot Act is doing away with our civil liberties and the War on Terror is killing hundreds of thousands of humans."

Ok. Say that we do "wake up" to your diatribe, where does that get us?

2:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

j dizzle said... Still not upset try AGAIN. And why would I go witht the kick your ass comment??? You won't even leave a screen name!!! Just keep hiding my friend we know your an illegal alien looking for work!!!!

I'm deeply offended!! What are you, some kind of a racist or something? You should be ashamed of yourself...being black and all(add lots of sarcasm).

2:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

2:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

D Nasty said...
"Get a F^&%&^%N Job and do something..."

Posted at 2:13 pm on a wednesday. Not exactly a weekend day.
Of course, if you do in fact have a job (yes, McDonalds counts so you are ok) you are probably like your "homie" brutha j dizzle and stealing time.

2:30 PM  
Blogger Helbourne said...

Ricky... Ricky... can't stay off the wacky tobbacy... yeah bring a guy back too worried about partying then his team. Yeah, we can place a lot of trust in him. Just like his empty promises to quit.

Shawn and anonymous I agree whole heartedly on your assessment of the Iraq and government bull crap.

J Dizzle ... grow up and shut up already.

2:43 PM  
Blogger j dizzle said...

Look buddy , don't hate me cause you ain't me!!!

2:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

2:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Fuck republican's..."

...and democrats!!!

2:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I feel pity for my friends or any of black decent... because of how J Dizzle presents himself for his race, and person. He is a fricken reject and should have his nuts pulled up through his whinny mouth.

2:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

j dizzle said...
Look buddy , don't hate me cause you ain't me!!!

An he's musical too! Imagine that!!

2:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

J Dizzle the wannabe blog rapper... a efen joke...

2:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

j dizzle said...
"Look buddy..."

I think Armando is your only buddy on this blog. Maybe you should change your screen name to "j dizzle brown-noser".

3:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey you need to listen chatman may be imprresing the coaches but he cant run with that power like brown did agaisnt CHI. and when cam starts putting booker in on 3rd and 2 and makes all though miss chatman will go back new orleans to his old ways sitting on the bench and gaining all that weight he lost
so shut up

3:02 PM  
Blogger j dizzle said...

Well Armando looks like you'll have another #1 blog spot again today!!!!!

Anonymous.....buddy you gonna have to try harder to get under my skin, right now those racial comments mean nothing. Cause I bet you won't go to 79th st and 19th ave and say what you're saying about blacks!!!! Yeah stay behind that CPU screen buddy!!!!

3:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now that there is real football to talk about (who will be the starting RB? Who will make the team?) I vote for deleting completely off topic posts, including posts that are nothing but insults. I want to read football here.

Money, politics and religion are all well and good during the off season when we are bored out of out skull but they don't belong here once training camp starts.

funkyj

3:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dizzle... Dizzle... what na ass...
always digging up his hole for gas... when he finished with his dung... he'll sit there and lick his thumb...

3:04 PM  
Anonymous Shawn said...

I hear you anonymous, I think oil is a big part of it. and I agree with your explanation. I think also, there is a move to a New World Order, and the war on terror is the perfect excuse to spread our empire. a war without borders and without end. Strange how we are stil fighting Al Qaeada, six year after they suppossedly attacked us. Just recently, the govt reported Al Qaeda is stronger than ever. So basically, after 6 years of war with the worlds most powerfull superpower, Al Qaeda has gotten stronger, that is crazy. Al Qaeda was originally created by us, they are the great boogeyman, hiding around every corner. they use this fear tactic to keep us behind the huge military expenditure. same as communism.

The other anonymous said,
"Ok. Say that we do "wake up" to your diatribe, where does that get us?" awaken in the true nature of your govt, after you come awaken it is your responsibility to help your fellow man and motivate to do whatever you can. I promise you it is better to listen inwardly to your soul and not stay distracted externally by societial influences; tv, mainstream media, junk food, the govt's propaghanda, etc...

3:07 PM  
Anonymous Patrick said...

Shawn, the integrity of the structure was compromised by the weight of the upper floors being unsupported by the tie-in girders. The strength of the girders is a function of the lateral tie-ins. Once those tie-ins were compromised the building (in this case) will implode inward much like you would see in the demolition of an structure. When the weight of the upper floors fell on the unsupported girders the entire building fell down through the center. This is exactly what should have happened in this kind of disaster. Please do not get caught up in the crap that this was an inside job. You are fooling yourself and wasting your time.

3:08 PM  
Blogger JaxDolphin said...

Yo j diz! You gotta stop messing with the weenies' minds. They don't know how to act when somebody plain outsmarts 'em. I wish more who post here were as even-tempered.

3:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah.. this is a blog to be proud of... just like that chicken shit j dizzle who needs his neighborhood to protect his big mouth... who knows,,, if we came down there we might see that j dizzle is the neighborhood kick ball...

3:10 PM  
Anonymous Shawn said...

Anonymous said,

"I have worked with demolition crews, and watch many programs detailing on how builds colapse. The TWC looked as if it was sequencely hit with charges to make it colapse straight down, not as if it were crumbling due to a violent hit or earth quake."

when you watch the collapse videos of world trade center 7 on www.wtc7.net I would say go with your first impression. The building just drops with no resistance. If other people don't see a controlled demolition and see other things so be it. It is exactly like the video of the pentagon crash and the crash in Shanksville, Penn, if you don't see a 757 crash with no large plane debris or jet fuel fire, than you are welcome to stay in denial...

3:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh geez...
j diz got his girl jaxdolphin behind him know... look out

3:13 PM  
Anonymous Shawn said...

Patrick,

Are you talking about WTC 1&2 or 7?

why was the weight of the upper floors not supported by the tie-in girders?

sincerely, are you saying the upper floors collapsed on the floors below to cause a pancake and therefore a collapse, please explain?

if you are talking about WTC1&2, how does this explain the collapse of the inner core of steal beams?

thanks

3:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

j dizzle said... Cause I bet you won't go to 79th st and 19th ave and say what you're saying about blacks!!!!

"About blacks!!!!"? The term is "African Americans" my non-African-American brutha.

3:24 PM  
Blogger j dizzle said...

Jesse Chatman may make run at Ronnie Brown !!!!!!

3:24 PM  
Blogger JaxDolphin said...

To anonymous (and you know who you are), come back when you have some football to talk about, and when you get the nuts to stand up and say who you are. It couldn't be that you guys are too dumb to figure out how to enter a screen name, could it?

There, that oughta get 'em riled.

3:28 PM  
Blogger j dizzle said...

Keepem coming guys we gonna break a record today on this blog!!

Jax , I feel you man but its just so fun to watch them get more and more irate

3:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JaxDolphin said...
Yo j diz!

Yo j diz.

Translation: Your j does be in my Ass!

Sincerely,

JaxDolphin

3:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

j dizzle said... "Jax , I feel you man..."

Just as we all suspected.

3:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JaxDolphin said... It couldn't be that you guys are too dumb to figure out how to enter a screen name, could it?

Oh, you mean something clever like "JaxDolphin"?

3:33 PM  
Blogger Helbourne said...

Hey Patrick...
Which girders in a skyscraper are not equal support for weight? In every structure, the girders are reinforce for stability and handling weight. When you can prove buildings are made with girders that need no structural or weight support, then open your mouth. Hitting a building within the top five floors should not send the entire build straight down.

jeremiah was a bullfrog...
great comment...

3:34 PM  
Blogger JaxDolphin said...

Now ya'll play nice. Anonymous, stand in the corner. I'll be back later to check on you.

3:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JaxDolphin said...
Now ya'll play nice. Anonymous, stand in the corner. I'll be back later to check on you.

"...as soon as me a j dizzle get through playing "hide the sausage".

3:37 PM  
Anonymous Patrick said...

Helbourne - Shawn, don't wish to argue this... It is fruitless.

3:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous...
I do not need a lesson on how to describe a person. I am of Slovak ancestry, but I do not call myself a slovak- american. M. King fought to stop seperatism. He did not want to be a negro- american, or an african american, but a man. Describing a man who is Black by color is no different than describing a white man as white. If you want to be socialized into classifying individuals, go ahead. My friends who are black take no predjudice when I describe them as black males and females, nor do I when I am described a white male. That is who we are... changing the names is bureaucratic bullshit. It is a shame any black american would allow themselves to lose what he gained, for seperatism again. Go to the library, and you will understand.

3:51 PM  
Blogger Helbourne said...

Patrick...
then why make remarks that you have no idea or cannot prove. A building that high has superior support just to handle its weight and winds thrown against it. Look over all that has been told to us, and how many of the statements have been subject to remittance. For instance, the plane wreckage outside the pentagon, the weapons of destruction have never been found. So, who do you believe the man with everything to gain by creating this war, or those who have everything to lose, namely us.

3:59 PM  
Anonymous mike h said...

HOLY SHIT!! SHUT UP AND TALK FOOTBALL YOU JACKASSES!

George Bush is an alien! You saw the way he stared when he was told that a plane hit? He was willing them down with his alien powers!!

NOW SHUT THE HELL UP AND TALK FOOTBALL.

anonymous are pussies!!

4:01 PM  
Anonymous Rasta said...

Damn you guys are DUMB as Hell..This is a football Blog. Take the 911 crap and shove it up your ass!!! Your dumb ass opinions are not going to make a difference, the Gov will do as they will. To the ASSES with the 911 comments you’re probably voted for friggin Bush! To the ones with the racist back and forth crap...give it a rest it was funny for a bit but who gives a crap what any of you think at the end of the day we all just Bloggers that are supposed be talking about Football. WE ARE GOING TO KICK KC'S ASS TOMM...YEAAA GO PHINS!!

4:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guys, I check in on this post a couple times a week and I'm appalled at the lack of respect people show each other, especially to Armando. I doubt he gets a $50k bonus to post this blog, I'm sure he does it because he likes the fins and journalism. Hurling abuse at the guy who gives us some insider info is bad manners and dumb...

4:06 PM  
Blogger Helbourne said...

Football? No one wanted to talk football, and about not using a name here... whats the difference no one knows who's behind the name, even if a picture was placed beside it doesn't mean it is you, or that someone doesn't have multiple names here.

4:10 PM  
Anonymous IPSE DIXIT said...

Well, Armando, if you wanted hits, you got ‘em. You could have deleted the 9/11 conspiracy and war for oil geniuses, but you didn’t.

WTC 7 fell because it was damaged by one of the towers collapsing. There are photographs of the damage. If you know ANYTHING about how a building is rigged to implode onto its own footprint, you will note that it takes shaped charges attached to bared support structures connected by thousands of feet of wire. NONE of this existed in WTC 7 unless it was set up during construction. NO ONE saw any such preparation. WHY? Because it did NOT happen. Now, please shut up about it.

If the administration wanted oil it could easily PAY for it more cheaply than waging war. We are STILL paying for it, morons. If we were in Iraq to STEAL oil or enrich Bush’s friends, the military would simply secure the oil fields and the pipelines and kill anyone who got close. They would not need to occupy any cities, train Iraqi soldiers and police, or build schools and hospitals. Please think about it a LITTLE bit and then shut up and go away.

You think Bush and his cronies are brilliant enough to trick the nation into war through masterminding the 9/11 events, yet stupid enough not to ‘find’ a few weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to validate the invasion. Your position is ludicrous beyond words, yet I’m sure you will cling desperately to it.

When the explanation for something has many possibilities, the simplest, obvious, most reasonable is the answer 99.99% of the time. If you want to invent or believe fairy tales to bolster your fears and insecurities, that is mental illness. You need help.

If you think electing a Democrat President will magically eradicate global terrorism, by all means vote. On whom will you blame the next terrorist attack - Hillary and her evil brain-trust?

4:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

4:25 PM  
Blogger j dizzle said...

99 comments and running you guys keep up the good work!!!

Anonymous buddy you where doing so well now your just falling off with the lame comments!!! Bring back the real nasty racial stuff!!!! LOL

4:42 PM  
Anonymous Shawn said...

Patrick said...
Helbourne - Shawn, don't wish to argue this... It is fruitless

Why do you even propose something without backing it up? I asked you for a simple explanation, sincerely, and you can't hang.

Ipsi dixit said-
WTC 7 fell because it was damaged by one of the towers collapsing.

wow, good try. there is no way a 50 story building collapses, symmetrically, with NO resistance at free fall speed in its own footprint from damage it received on its west end from tower 2. the building came straight down, it did not crumple.

why you feel anger b/c someone posits a different viewpoint for you to consider is a reason for you to get help.

it doesn't matter the person proposing the arguement on wether it is valid or not, see ad hominen logical arguement. It only matters whether the the arguement is true. there are serious questions from 9/11 that have not been answered, they are;

1. Where is the large plane debris, jet engines, wings, tail, seasts and jet fuel fire from the 757 that hit the pentagon.

2. Where is the large plane debris, jet engines, wings, tail, seasts and jet fuel fire from the 757 that crashed in Shanksville, Penn?

3. How did three huge buildings collpase, WTC1,2 &7, at free fall speed? WTC 7 was not hit by an airplane yet collapse symmetrically.

4. How were four hijacked planes allowed to fly over some of the world's most protected airspace, NY & Washington, for an hour and 50 minutes total without ever being intercepted by our fighter jets?

5. How was the 757 that hit the pentagon able to make a 270 degree turn around the pentagon, fly only several feet above the ground, parallel to the ground and without ever hitting the ground, then impact the pentagon on the first and second floor. How did this same plane make a 16ft x 24ft entry hole, similiar circular exit hole after travelling three rings through the pentagon, and not leaving its wings and tail on the outside?

6. The Patriot Act, attack on civil liberties, was introduced 3 weeks after 9/11 and signed into law on October 23rd. How was the extensive set of laws formulated quickly after 9/11 or was it ready before 9/11 and perfect for the 9/11 attacks and war on terror?

Investigate the evidence for yourself. If you do not think there are valid questions that have not been answered by NIST and our govt regarding 9/11 you have not really looked at the evidence...

The War on Terror is today's communism, a way to put us in fear to pay for the increased, up to 800billion, in war expenditure. with respect, Wakeup...

4:52 PM  
Anonymous Shawn said...

IPSE DIXIT,

why do you think we are in Iraq?

4:53 PM  
Anonymous IPSE DIXIT said...

Anon 4:25 - Absolutely brilliant and well thought out response. (since you fail to recognize sarcasm, let me point out that the previous sentence is an example.) Iraq produces on average less than 2 million barrels of oil a day. Total oil production from meaningful sources wordwide amount to about 84 million barrels a day. Again, we can BUY oil much more cheaply than gaining it through war, moron. It was Hussein who wanted to control all the oil in the Middle East - he wanted the oil in Kuwait, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc.

But, I guess deposing a brutal dictator and giving millions of people a chance at freedom has no value in your book. I'm sure, in addition, oil has no importance to you. You don't drive a car, use plastic products, travel by air, heat your house or air-condition it. Right?

5:02 PM  
Anonymous IPSE DIXIT said...

"Shawn said...
IPSE DIXIT,

why do you think we are in Iraq?"

We are in Iraq, presently, because that is where the bulk of the terrorists who wish to defeat us in a war are. They have declared this for all who are not deaf to hear. If we leave, they claim victory and the next battle will cost us more in treasure and blood than you can imagine.

5:08 PM  
Anonymous Shawn said...

IPSE DIXIT

fact from the govt, 1% of the attacks in Iraq are from Al Qaeada. you do not fight terrorism with the army. you do not fight terrorism by ocuppying a whole country. c'mon. terrorism, as in Israel, is fought with special forces, not your whole military.

the idea that we are in Iraq to bring the Iraq people freedom and democracy is ridiculous. we have allready killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians. we do not care about the people there. As well, what gives us the right to export are beliefs with weapons onto another soveriegn country that did not attack us in the first place.

5:17 PM  
Anonymous IPSE DIXIT said...

Shawn - You ask a lot af questions. I'll ask a few in return.

Where are all the people who were on those hiijacked airplanes, many of whom spoke to relatives in mid-flight? Are their relatives all lying?

Why would all the people who SAW WITH THEIR OWN EYES a jet liner fly into the Pentagon be lying? By the way, it DID hit the ground before impact.

Why won't you belive the obvious rather than belive scenarios that require flights of delusional fancy?

All the questions you ask are answered many times by reputable scientists and observers, yet you chose to disbelieve them and throw in your lot with fantasists and conspiracy inventers. Why is that?

5:19 PM  
Anonymous IPSE DIXIT said...

WE have NOT killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Pleas don't bring up discredited reports.

5:22 PM  
Anonymous killa red said...

ronnie brown is a back that needs a o-line to make him. chatman is a real runner. if you have been around the game of football you would know the difference.....

5:28 PM  
Anonymous killa red said...

you dummies need to leave the room with this 911 garbage who cares. this football season fool...

5:32 PM  
Anonymous IPSE DIXIT said...

Armando cares! He won't delete these moronic 9/11 comments. Someone has to counter them, and I will. I'd gladly talk about football but some people simply cannot restrain themselves from advertising their insanity.

Please, Armando, delete MY comments! But delete the other non-sequiturs as well.

5:37 PM  
Blogger j dizzle said...

Jesse Chatman may make run at Ronnie Brown !!!

5:52 PM  
Anonymous IPSE DIXIT said...

Ronnie Brown will probably be the starting RB for the Dolphins, barring injury. If Chatman proves the better choice, it should become obvious during the season.

Can he catch the ball as well as Brown? Will he repeat his impressive run in another pre-season game?

The important word in Armando's title is 'MAY.' Yes, he may and he may not. Hey, I hope he proves to be twice the back Brown is. That means we'll have a REALLY good back and some impressive back-up.

6:36 PM  
Anonymous IPSE DIXIT said...

One itty, bitty last comment about 9/11 in case anyone out there is toying with the idea of lending any credence to Shawn and his conspiracy buddies.

Here is a study by a group of people who make a living imploding buildings - over 1000 of them. They have no axes to grind. They were in Manhattan during the events. They know what they are talking about.

http://www(dot)implosionworld(dot)com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

I have rendered it with the 'dots' written and in parens to not violate this site's rules. It is a 12 page report that tells the (REAL) truth.

6:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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6:49 PM  
Blogger JaxDolphin said...

Courtney Anderson might make the team, Beck seems to like throwing to him. Aside from that TD drop last Sat., he's had a good camp. I know we can use his size and speed. 6'6" 270 lbs. A beast.

What have you heard lately about Sutton?

7:03 PM  
Blogger Armando Salguero said...

Ladies and Gentlemen: I appreciate the spirited debate on today's blog and even the way the subject matter took unexpected twists and turns like a race track.

But seriously, I think there are some words that you guys are smart enough to refrain from using.

Make your point. Argue amongst yourselves. Insult me if you want. Tease and have fun.

But I will not tolerate certain words involving race, sex and a degredation to various beliefs of faith. Let's stay above the muck in those cases, if you can.

Otherwise I'll just delete your comments, which I am about to do with some right now.

Resume.

7:27 PM  
Blogger H.C.D. said...

Thanks Armando....

While I believe in freedom of speech, such arguments have their place and this blog AIN'T IT.

Lets keep this a football blog, PLEASE.

7:32 PM  
Blogger Helbourne said...

Shawn... do not worry about miss know-it-all ipse dixit, she likes to throw out her conjectures without getting the facts. She bitches about the 911 talk, but then she runs her mouth.

She has no clue to the intenseness in middle east especially with the US for putting its nose it their business. Canada left the war because they knew it was not a war of independance, but for the oil. And if people do not think Bush is behind this, why are the oil prices so high, They are the only ones making profit hand over fist, other than the weaponry industries that his pappy Bush has major stocks in. Just a coincidence... yeah... right.

Iraq, Iran, Afganistan all these countries have one thing in common, we gave them their weaponry, and they have been used against us. US government does without expecting something in return. That is also why the UN is not backing the US in Iraq. I could go on, but I won't... ipse... if you do not know what your talking about don't put your two cents in.

Armando... if all he is looking for is a #1 blog site, then you are wasting our time. We do not care how many people show up here. We care that we get the best, accurate, up-to-date information so we can discuss our perceptions of what we read. But no, we too have to read your immature remarks, If you want these remarks to end, do give in, or run with them. This is supposed to be about football, but it does not always end that way. Someday's there is nothing written, to even make worth while discussions, and that is your responsibility to keep the blog full of interest.

I apologize to any I offended, it is my view.

7:41 PM  
Anonymous Shawn said...

thanks Mando. not that democrat vs republican really matters, its the world banks, fed reserve and military industrial complex that make the real decisions. still, would of chalked you up for a liberal...


Ipsis Dixit

You didn't answer one of my questions. but I will answer all of yours...

You ask "Where are all the people who were on those hiijacked airplanes, many of whom spoke to relatives in mid-flight? Are their relatives all lying?"

answer: very interesting about this all four transcontinental planes usually carry 150 to 220 passengers per plane, these planes carry an abnormal low number of around 50ish per plane. I don't know where the passengers are, I don't think that makes my arguement either way. they could be at the bottom of the ocean. Some of those cell phone calls were made above 5,000 feet at over 500 mph, the calls were sometimes longer than a minute, IMPOSSIBLE!

You ask, "Why would all the people who SAW WITH THEIR OWN EYES a jet liner fly into the Pentagon be lying? By the way, it DID hit the ground before impact."

Answer: There are eyewitnesses that say they saw a missle hit the Pentagon. There are eyewitnesses that say a small jet hit the pentagon. There are eyewitness, including firefighters and police who say they heard an saw explosion is the trade centers. don't think the eyewitness make your case or mine. The 757 that hit the Pentagon DID not hit the ground. Official story says Flight 11 hit the first and second floor and did not hit the ground, check your facts. I have seen the pics and video of the crash site, the front lawn is perfectly clean, no jet fuel fire and no large plane wreckage. If you have pics or video of the Jet hitting the ground, I would sincerly love to see it and will change my mind!

You ask, "Why won't you belive the obvious rather than belive scenarios that require flights of delusional fancy?"

Answer, Believe me my friend, the obvious is not the official story. If you look at the video of the collapse of the trade centers and especially the symmetrical collapse of WTC 7, the obvious is a controlled demolition. NEVER in the history of steel structures has fire brought down a building, yet these three did. that is not obivious. also if you look at the video of the crash at the pentagon and in pennyslvania, there OBVIOUSLY is NO large plane wreckage. is you have pictures or video of large plane wreckage or the jet fuel fire from the crash site I would love to see it and will change my mind!

You ask, "All the questions you ask are answered many times by reputable scientists and observers, yet you chose to disbelieve them and throw in your lot with fantasists and conspiracy inventers. Why is that?"

Answer, thousands of high ranking military officials, politicians, media personalities, engineers, pilots, survivors and rescue workers question the official story of 9/11. you can find a few hundred of their questions here-
www.patriotsquestion911.com to group people as nuts, delusional, and conspiracy whatever b/c the question the governments story is ignorant. How often has the govt lied to you, think about it...

Riddle me this, the Pentagon has approx 80 cameras along the roof of the Pentagon where Flight 11 hit, why have they only release 3 grainy slides that show a small device flying 3 to 5 feet above the ground, horizontally to the ground, with a smoke trail. why not release a video of the 757 hitting the building and therefore putting this to rest?

7:50 PM  
Anonymous Shawn said...

I challenge you to watch this 30 second video and tell me if this small low flying, 3 feet above the ground, device looks like a 757 to you...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAaP4Z3zls8

7:57 PM  
Blogger Kenneth said...

Helbourne, Shawn Chill with this nonsense. We were obviously attacked by terrorists on September 11th 2001. Do you have any idea how much money it cost the united states government when this happened? What it did to the economy? No government would do that to their own people to start a war with another country. Get educated. I agree that we are in Iraq for oil but 9/11 was not a conspiracy... and back to football

I think it is too early to tell whether Jesse Chatman will take over Ronnie Browns job but some competition is good

8:37 PM  
Anonymous Shawn said...

Kenneth said,
"Do you have any idea how much money it cost the united states government when this happened?"

nope, not the US govt, us the taxpayers pay for it. actually the people at the top, the military industrial complex, defense companies, some polititicans and the budgets of our intelligence agencies made BILLIONS. who do you think the Sept 11th attacks benefited, the defense companies and the US empire or Al Qaeda?

right on about the oil, though...

8:46 PM  
Anonymous IPSE DIXIT said...

"Shawn said...
I challenge you to watch this 30 second video and tell me if this small low flying, 3 feet above the ground, device looks like a 757 to you..."

Yes, Shawn, I saw the 757. I saw the American Airlines logo. I saw the pilot screaming what looked like 'akbar' and I saw the 64 innocent passengers screaming as well. I couldn't make out what they were saying. The windows were so small and the plane was flying by at 350 miles an hour, even after it had hit the ground.

I challenge you to go to snopes.com and look at this:

http://snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

8:52 PM  
Anonymous IPSE DIXIT said...

Shawn, you have no answer to the implosionworld.com statement. It refutes the 'eyewitness' - should be 'earwitness' accounts of people who heard explosions bring down WTC 7. There are recognizable seismic patterns when these types of implosions are conducted. NO such seismic events occurred. PERIOD. End of argument.

9:03 PM  
Anonymous killa red said...

you 911 fools need to exchange numbers and holla at each other cause the rest of us want to talk about DOLPHIN FOOTBALL only. cleo lemon if you reading this, dog you need to start scrambling with the ball sooner when the o-line breaks down cause that's what we need. i like chatman style of running. ronnie b is scary.don't forget bout my dog booker,lorenzo. he's a human highlight maker.....

9:14 PM  
Anonymous the real deal said...

Shawn, you're a moron who simply hates America. Enough already. As for Chatman, I need to see what he does with the first team before I consider him to be a threat to Ronnie's spot.

9:21 PM  
Anonymous Shawn said...

ipsie dixit

I have just read the whole description of the pentagon crash from the site you recommended, snopes.

First off, this site states;

"As eyewitnesses described and photographs demonstrate, the hijacked airliner dived so low as it approached the Pentagon that it actually hit the ground first, thereby dissipating much of the energy that might otherwise have caused more extensive damage to the building; nonetheless, as described by The New York Times, the plane still hit not "just the ground floor" but between the first and second floors:"

ok, the idea that the plane dived so low and hit the ground before hitting the building simply does not match up with the video/ slides the Pentagon actually released. this is the video I referred you to that you made fun of. ( sincerely, I appreciate hearing your arguement and reading your materials you link and if your going to just make a joke about screaming passengers, etc, than I'm not going to respond) why mix in that type of stuff with valid questions you might have?

Secondly, the site you referred claimed, "The plane banked sharply and came in so low that it clipped light poles. It slammed into the side of the Pentagon at an estimated 350 miles per hour after first hitting the helipad. The plane penetrated the outer three rings of the building."

So, this site claims the 757 hit the HELI PAD and THEN hit the pentagon, penetrating 3 rings of the reinforced inner core, leaving a circular 12 foot exit hole. Ok, BIG problem with this. As you can see from the pictures on this site, the Heli Pad is approx 150 feet from the first and second floor where the 757 dissapeared into. As your/ this site's story goes, the 757 made a dive, bounced/ hit off the helipad and then continued 150 feet into the pentagon, through three rings of steel. WOW. second problem with this, the pentagon video shows a device/ plane flying HORIZONTALLY several feet above the ground and hitting the first and second floor. your own evidence contradicts itself. the Pentagon video does not show a plane hitting the ground. it is smoothly, at a rapid speed, flying straight into the building with out any interruption. 3rd problem, if the 757 hit the ground/ heli pad 150 feet before hitting the first and second floor, how come there is no large plane debris near the heli pad. the official story and the site you recommended says the large debris burned up inside the building or in the large fire ball from the impact into the pentagon. can't have it both ways my friend.

care to respond?

9:30 PM  
Anonymous Shawn said...

right real deal, calling people names does alot

you have know idea who I am or how much love I have for America. If you look at our past a true patriot is one that speaks to power and ask questions. not a personal attack, you should think about some critical thought for yourself and not believe everything you hear in mainstream media.

9:35 PM  
Anonymous Shawn said...

Ipsi Dixis

reading your implosion world article now. your a bit impatient for me to respond as you haven't answered ONE of my questions...

9:41 PM  
Anonymous SWFLA Fan said...

The WTC was demolished by Ronnie Brown. See he was trying to leave a room on one of the upper floors, but the door was shut, so he kept running into that closed door until the building collapsed.

9:44 PM  
Blogger Helbourne said...

SWFLA Fan said...

The WTC was demolished by Ronnie Brown. See he was trying to leave a room on one of the upper floors, but the door was shut, so he kept running into that closed door until the building collapsed.

That was funny... I can appreciate good humor.

10:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ronnie Brown can't find a hole, can't hit a hole, and gets caught from behind every time...doesn't sound like he should be the starter....RUN JESSE RUN!!!!

10:47 PM  
Blogger Helbourne said...

Shawn...
my cousin believes in that snopes.com, but to be honest all the information in there is not reliable. It mainly comes from its members. I have received bulletins about missing children, sent it to my cousin, and he directed me to snopes.com to prove it was a bogus or found child and that it should be ignored. As I directed him to the FBI sites that still contain the children whom are still missing and recently abducted. It would be a good site if it relied on information from proper organizations rather than a person's speculation.

The way to see if the information your fed is true can be found in newspapers, books, videos of jet crashes, building colapses, and other data collected through the years that will help everyone determine fact from fiction.

10:55 PM  
Anonymous Shawn said...

cool Helbourne

thanks. have a good night...

11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hate to break the news to you all... it was my fault the WTC colapsed... the night before work I ate too many eggs, and sour kraut, with the keg of beer I drank... I was sooooo gased up the next morn that when the plane hit I let out a monsterous fart ignighting with the impolsion of the jet airliner that it blew my fat ass out of the building, yet sending the WTC crumbling to its finish....

11:04 PM  
Blogger Helbourne said...

You too Shawn

11:05 PM  
Anonymous doctor of thuganomics said...

9/11 was an inside job? Yeah.... whatever dude. If you don't like George W. Bush, just say it. Don't makeup silly stories about "9/11 was an inside job."

11:20 PM  
Anonymous Shawn said...

doctor of thuganomics

what? this has nothing to do with george bush. just from what you said, I have a feeling you know nothing about the evidence of 9/11.

good luck.

11:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shawn hates America.

11:54 PM  
Anonymous shawn said...

word

12:51 AM  
Anonymous IPSE DIXIT said...

"Shawn said...
Ipsi Dixis

reading your implosion world article now. your (sic) a bit impatient for me to respond as you haven't answered ONE of my questions... "

Shaun, I am not impatient for a response; in fact, I'm hoping you go away or respond only to football related matters. It is interesting, however, that you have no reponse to the implosionworld.com study.

The Pentagon video is so brief that one cannot make any judgement as to whether the plane had already struck the ground a glancing blow or not. The plane is in the frame for a split second before impact. Using this to prove or disprove anything is ludicrous, hence my sarcasm.

If hijacked planes were flown into the twin towers, why is it necessary for conspiracy theorists to reject the idea that one was flown into the Pentagon? The simple explanation doesn't require jumping through a thousand hoops. It is what it was - a terrorist attack planned by Bin Laden and his fellow fanatics. He declared war on America decades ago and this was a successful attack. He claims 'credit.' That is the reality of the situation.

7:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shawn hates the United States.

10:48 AM  
Blogger Chris said...

1) Stop with political hijacking of football threads. I don't come here to wade through that rubbish. If you cannot control yourself, go elsewhere.

2) Stop forcing WTC conspiracy theories on the rest of us. Keep your opinion to yourself, or take it to a related forum. If you cannot control yourself, go elsewhere.

3) On Ronnie Brown (FINALLY): I think competition is a good thing. That being said, Brown is (by far) Miami's best offensive player. Suggesting that Chatman may make a run at Brown is like saying Scott Mitchell may make a run at Dan Marino. Not that Ronnie is of Danny's caliber, but the talent gulf between Ronnie and Chatman is about the same as between Mitchell-Marino. So, puh-leeese....

1:30 PM  
Blogger Chris said...

Oh, and anyone making bigoted comments on this forum should be BANNED.

Mean people suck.

1:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not sure if any back could have done anything against the Jags front four and our O line. Ronnie was hit behind line on at least 6 of his carries. Yeah Chatman had a great game with 2nd and third string O line - which are actullay our veterans.

1:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have we forgotten that there is a clear distinction between JAX's 1st team D-line and their back ups, but there clearly is NOT a clear distinction between our first team and 3rd team O-line? Let's not get ahead of ourselves here, Ronnie, unless injured is and will remain our #1.

2:31 PM  
Blogger Lou said...

A long-shot Dolphin running back who has turned some heads in the preseason?

Fred Russell, anyone?

Let's pull up on the speculative reigns. We're but one game deep.

3:03 PM  
Anonymous randy said...

armando, i have a question. Do reporters sometimes write stories that they're either asked by the team to write or take it upon themselves to write in order to simply motivate or send a message to a player? Seriously...I've always wondered that and never had an opportunity to ask.

Brown could be a very good back. I'm guessing Chatman is there to do what you're doing with your story...motivate Brown. All last year, he had to make 2 or 3 moves before he ever got to the line of scrimmage. He never had a chance to break off runs b/c our OL wasn't making holes...or even creases. I'll admit I expect more from him...but the running game is 70% OL/30% RB anyway. it's definitely a symbiotic relationship, but you have to have a good OL to make it work no matter how good your back is.

8:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chatman is another John Avery. cmon guys a proven player should ride the bench for chatman. Last year brown was on a tear until the thanksgiving game when he broke his hand.

9:36 PM  
Blogger Jue said...

HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHA. RB controversy. HAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHA. Run Ronnie Run!

11:16 PM  
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2:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ronnie Brown has averaged over 4 yards a carry over his two year career. I woild not in any way discount that. If you look up the career averages of some of the great backs in NFL history you would see that he measures up quite well. This mind you is with him playing behind some of the worst O-lines in recent history and a poor supporting cast, QBs and WRs...Oh and coaches! Defenses have been stacked against this guy from day one and he still has managed close to 2000 yards in his brief career. We have had some terrible Running backs since the days of #39 but this guys while no LT is the most consistant. Ricky could have rewrote the record books but instead he chose to smoke trees. Ronnie comes to work and works hard, is reliable, will give us a 1000 year season and not complain...unlike the people on this blog. We are fortunate to have him...it could be and has been a lot worst!

2:13 AM  
Anonymous Jarrett Dean said...

That's all fine and dandy and to be fair to Brown, the O-Line still looks weak and can't be depended on. HOWEVER, having said all of that: Chatman is good, no doubt, but what about Patrick Cobbs??? This guy is an animal! The Fins better not let him slip thru the cracks or someone will snatch him up and mark my words: He WILL be a successful power running back in the NFL!

3:12 AM  

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