Dan Marino still the greatest of all time?
Dan Marino was a great quarterback and, once upon a time, when the argument about the GREATEST of all time would come, I would always contend the Miami quarterback was the guy because, well, look at the numbers.
Sure Joe Montana had the Super Bowl rings, but Danny had the TD passes. And completions record. And yards record. You get the drift.
Unfortunately, Dan Marino will soon not be able to dominate the GREATEST of all time conversation like he used to. Brett Favre could pass Marino for career TD passes as early as Sunday -- the record Marino has told me he most prized. So it becomes impossible to state Danny was the greatest of all time as a fact.
Not only does he not have the stats, but he still doesn't have a ring. Favre will have both. And in about five years, barring unexpected circumstance, when Peyton Manning passes Favre, the Indy QB also will have both a ring (or more) and the stats.
By the way here's a comparison between Marino and Favre from my friends at STATS:
Starts: Marino 240, Favre 240.
Wins: Marino 147, Favre 150.
TD Passes: Marino 420, Favre 420.
Super Bowl victories: Marino 0, Favre 1.
So the obvious point is it can no longer be logically argued Marino is the greatest of all time without having good counter-arguments come back at you. Maybe he's among the greats, but he no longer has the GREATEST spot locked up.
Sure Joe Montana had the Super Bowl rings, but Danny had the TD passes. And completions record. And yards record. You get the drift.
Unfortunately, Dan Marino will soon not be able to dominate the GREATEST of all time conversation like he used to. Brett Favre could pass Marino for career TD passes as early as Sunday -- the record Marino has told me he most prized. So it becomes impossible to state Danny was the greatest of all time as a fact.
Not only does he not have the stats, but he still doesn't have a ring. Favre will have both. And in about five years, barring unexpected circumstance, when Peyton Manning passes Favre, the Indy QB also will have both a ring (or more) and the stats.
By the way here's a comparison between Marino and Favre from my friends at STATS:
Starts: Marino 240, Favre 240.
Wins: Marino 147, Favre 150.
TD Passes: Marino 420, Favre 420.
Super Bowl victories: Marino 0, Favre 1.
So the obvious point is it can no longer be logically argued Marino is the greatest of all time without having good counter-arguments come back at you. Maybe he's among the greats, but he no longer has the GREATEST spot locked up.
posted by Armando Salguero at 10:09 AM
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Why are you searching for more ways to rip the Dolphins? We are in the midst of a (probable) 7-10 year down-time as far as football success is concerned.
Our fans are fed up with losing and some are getting disenchanted with the organization - all the way up to Wayne H.
In these dire times, why would you bring up the one glimmer of happy memories that still remain for many of the younger fans? Or at least the fans that weren't around during the 70's championship runs?
I understand you are trying to create dialog on a valid point, but consider you audience and their state of mind.
Anonymous, climb off the ledge. Just because the Dolphins are losing doesn't mean I, for one, am of a weak state of mind.
Speak for your sorry self.
I come on here to read, as you stated, valid points about my team -- present and past. I like the exchange also. So if you don't like what you're reading, go read something else that will make you feel better -- like the political page.
7-10. Are the Dolphins playing an extra game, or are they going to the playoffs at 6-10 and being eliminated in the first round?
I believe he was saying 7 to 10 years until we are good again. And check your math. If we made the playoffs at 6-10 and lost in the first round, we'd be 6-11, not 7-10
Dan Marino will always be the greatest quarteback ever to play de game period
That would be like saying Emmit Smith is the greatest running back ever because he has the most yards and has Super Bowl rings. Most people believe Jim Brown and a few other running backs were better. I've watched a lot of football games. Marino was the best quarterback I've ever seen. There are too many factors when it comes to stats and rings outside of a quarterback's ability to make that the only thing to judge a quarterback's greatness.
Personally I still see Marino as the greatest quarterback of all time when you go by individual stats his stats are amazing but miami always fails to build complete teams, we always need something maybe we have a qb but no serious half back or maybe a great running back and shitty qb or line. Last year our d was great and offense was horrible but now the offense is growing while the d is falling off. Dan cant control the rings or wins when the front office fails to surround him with other great players. That being said i believe when he retires as much as I'd hate to admit it manning will be the greatest passer but brady will be up there as well, but then look at their surrounding casts reggie wayne, marvin harrisson, the entire offense n line same with brady. Think about this when comparing farve n dan, how many ints does each of them have? I dont have the stat here but im sure farves number is a lot bigger
Records are made to be broken!! That said there will never be a sole person considered as the grestest cause someone better or with better stats always comes along!!! In many fans minds including me Dan will forever be remebered as the Greatest of his time , as will Brett and Manning.We Miami fans just want someone down there to get a road intersected with Dan Marino Blvd!!!
John Beck Court ???? We'll see!?!?!?!!?
What is commical is that you left out the yardage and INT stats.
Why is that Mando? Hmmm...
Favre has over 3,000 yards LESS, and 25 MORE INT's.
It's a team sport. Wins...Super Bowl rings...hell every stat actually is part of what the TEAM is made up of.
What I know in my mind is...that if I started a team today and could hand pick a QB to lead it...knowing how he'd turn out.
I'd start it with Dan. Period.
~JinVA
Armando,
I have to say, you fall into the same trap that those idiots on ESPN do all the time. You cut and paste stats to suit the outcome you want to present. These stats you show between Marino and Favre only show part of the story. These stats don't show the quality of the team each of them had during their playing years. Admittedly, Favre has not had a quality team backing him these last few years. But one thing he can say, that Marino cannot, is that he's had a quality team surrounding him for the majority of his career. Marino has only had a quality team surrounding him possibly his first 2 to 3 years in the league. And that QB from Indy you talk about, he's only had a bad team surrounding him his first 2 to 3 years in the league and hasn't had one since. You can't tell me the QB position does it by itself. It is easier to win games and championships with a great team and a mediocre QB than it is to win with a great QB surrounded by a mediocre team. What makes Marino THE GREATEST QB EVER is what he was able to accomplish with amediocre to bad team surrounding him. Comparing his play with his team to others and their team is like saying Fran Tarkenton isn't better than Ken Stabler because Stabler won a championship. Or Dan Fouts wasn't better than Jim Plunkett because Plunkett has a ring. If you go to a gunfight with a gang that's not quick on the draw, and your opponent's gang outdraws them, no matter how fast you are you will still lose. Marino revolutionized the position by making coaches focus more on timing and getting the ball out of your hands quickly (ala, Marino). Favre is just a good gunslinger. He's more like Elway than Marino.
Gersom, I totally disagree that the Dolphins were bad with the exception of Marino's first couple of years.
Gersom, if you remember, the Dolphins went the playoffs six out of Marino's last 10 years and one of those years they didn't was the year Marino blew out his Achilles. Furthermore, in those playoffs, they won at least one game, four times.
Bad teams don't win playoff games so your premise is not backed up by facts.
Another moronic post. "The Greatest QB" is subjective -- it's whomever you want it to be. Trying to analyze it and debate it is just stupid.
-- Bebo
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hunhh....?
Show the full stats, as another commenter pointed out, if you do so Marino wins the race against Favre by some 3000 yards and 25 less interceptions.
Super Bowl wins are achieved by teams, not individuals alone. Marino should not be penalized because the team around him did not rise to the occasion.
Looking at pure passing, Marino is the greatest of all time.
That said, Favre is was perhaps a better leader and is definitely up there with Marino in the "greatest" conversation.
The title of greatest passer, its Marino.
Greatest QB, in which you combine leadership, winning, etc. with passing, thats a tough one and arguments will come from many sides -- Montana, for example -- but greatest passer is hands down Marino.
It's typical Dolphins fans that refer to the yardage stat. Who gives a crap about yardage? The game is not won and lost by which team has most yardage. It is won and lost by the team with the most points, and I assume that's why the TD record is the most significant to measure a QB. Only losers care about yards.
I love Dan, but I don't need a chocolate lab to lead me around so I can see.
Good post, Mando.
I also love Dan, but have been kind of depressed realizing all that he did is soon to be erased from the record books.
Wish he had won that ring.
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Dan will always be my favorite QB and no record book or stat will ever change that. In my mind he will always be the greatest of all time. He did things that NO qb did before him or have done since. He revolutionized the position and forced teams all over the league to come up with new schemes to stop him. They created new defenses because of Danny. He could hit a dime from 60 yards away. How many times did we see a WR being double covered and Dan would put the ball in the perfect spot.He also made players great around him,like Michael Jordan. That's the true sign of a
"great one", do they make mediocre players better. Dan did, but none of that will ever show up in any stat or record book. We miss you Danny.
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Dan gave me a lot of great Sundays. But he never gave me a Super Sunday.
So Manning is better. And Favre is better. And Montana was better. And Johnny U was better.
I still appreciate Dan. But he wasn't the best.
Favre is not in the conversation. Yeah, he is breaking the touchdown record which is very impressive, but he broke the interception record 2 years ago... a record Marino NEVER held. The reason that Marino, Montana, Manning, and others rank above is because not only could they single-handedly win a game (as can Favre) they didn't often single handedly LOSE a game (Favre often has.) For the record, I think Manning is the greatest, followed in order by Marino, Brady and Montana. GO PHINS!!!
First of all: Dolphin writers are manic depressives looking for any excuse to try and be negative. When watching Dan Marino play and watching Favre play there is no comparrison. Marino was a freak with his passing. Manning is the only person that remotely reminds me of him as far as "wow" factor. NOW-- look at Marino's stats from year to year. Notice what year Marino's stats took a dive? Hmmm. When Jimmy Johnson took over. How peculair. Favre has never had a coach stick him on the shelf. Period. Don't forgt to look at interceptions too. Favre got WAY more slack than most other QB's when it came to being allowed to continue. Favre has also played with more complete teams in the past... Marino isn't all about stats. It was the way he played that made him the greatest. Passing rules are alo way different with the restrictions on coverage etc---its easier for a reciever to get seperation now a days. Have a nice day. Looking forward to your next attempt at sabotaging my day with your negativity.
First of all: Dolphin writers are manic depressives looking for any excuse to try and be negative. When watching Dan Marino play and watching Favre play there is no comparrison. Marino was a freak with his passing. Manning is the only person that remotely reminds me of him as far as "wow" factor. NOW-- look at Marino's stats from year to year. Notice what year Marino's stats took a dive? Hmmm. When Jimmy Johnson took over. How peculair. Favre has never had a coach stick him on the shelf. Period. Don't forgt to look at interceptions too. Favre got WAY more slack than most other QB's when it came to being allowed to continue. Favre has also played with more complete teams in the past... Marino isn't all about stats. It was the way he played that made him the greatest. Passing rules are alo way different with the restrictions on coverage etc---its easier for a reciever to get seperation now a days. Have a nice day. Looking forward to your next attempt at sabotaging my day with your negativity.
finheavenblows! It seems that what you're basically saying is that the teams Marino had during his last 10 years really didn't have anything to do with Marino. However, you made my point stating the one year the team didn't make the playoffs was when Marino blew out his Achilles. It only proves to me that Marino was the main cause of why they went to the playoffs to begin with. You can't say he didn't carry the team by himself when films of the games prove otherwise. I believe my premise holds true. Thanks for the helping me out. :)
That's your opinion, Armando. I've never felt that stats made Marino the greatest passer of all time, it was his arm and that uncanny diagnosis and corresponding quick release. My feeling for Dan the Man won't change no matter how many records Favre rents. He will just be holding them for Peyton Manning when he's done.
Dan Marino is the greatest pure passer of all time, followed distantly by Namath.
Now to pressing matters: according to nfl.com, the Dolphins have the seventh-rated passing game in the league. Does this surprise you? It did me. How have they done it, with smoke and mirrors?
Seventh best passing game in the league... I guess Trent Green must not be as bad as all you haters say. Give the receivers some credit, too. Apparently they don't drop every ball.
I'm looking forward to Jason and Joey and the guys knocking the hell out of Coldpooper tomorrow.
First win against Oakland, then they realize they like the feeling and keep on doing it for a while.
Marino's records are going down because of 3 reasons.
1.When Jimmy took over he never got Marino good pass blocking offensive lineman our any great recievers.Jimmy also had us run the ball 75 percent of the time.As a result,Marino's numbers went way down when Jimmy was coach.Phil Simms stated in Marino's last year that "Marino had been on the worst offensive unit in the NFL for the last 3 years"!
2.Even though Dan wanted to play another year, Huzinega instead of bringing in a Coach that wanted Marino brough in a Coach in (Wanstench)that did not want Marino(go figure)As a result, the Dolphins voided Marino's 2 year contract and Marino became a free agent.
3.There were clubs who wanted Marino,but his eyes looked toward Minnesota who had Randy Moss and Chris Carter, probally the best wide reciever staff in football.Huzienga again the same month took Marino out golfing and offered him a sweet deal if Dan would retire a Dolphin. So Marino told Minnesota no thanks and retired.That decision probally resulted in lossin 30 touchdown passes for his final numbers.Marino should have played another year and this organzation did everything to stop him from doing so.And that is why his records are now being broken.
Favre us better, better stats, more rings, more appearances in the Super Bowl. Everything else is just sour grapes. Oh, and Mandy, what happened to that picture of you that was more recent and true to form? Seems like a recent picture was added to your blog, then the older picture was reinstated. Tisk tisk, don't be ashamed, we all get old brother. Go Dolphins!
Two things Barbara: First, Dolphins writers haven't been to the playoffs in five years either, so if they're not manic, they certainly should be pissed off covering such a crap team.
Secondly, are you hot? Can you post a picture?
Hey MANDO, what happened to your sexy new mugshot on Herald.com? Too stupid for the Internet?
-- Bebo
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Armando, you are right, the statistics do not tell the story...Marino and Elway are the two best I ever saw because they are the only QB's who could carry truly bad teams to 9-7 and 10-6 seasons. Peyton, Brady, Favre, Montana could never do that...
Dan marino is the greatest PASSER of all time. simply put, he had the greatest passing season of any qb ever and retired with every significant passing record. to put farve or others above him based on the ring is remiss. the bottom line is that TEAMS win superbowls, not quarterbacks. I submit jeff hostetler, trent dilfer, doug williams, as mediocre qbs whose TEAMS won superbowls. Is is Danny's fault that he never had a quality running back and his defenses were less than dominant? have we forgotten that his recieving corps, while I love them all, consisted of average or veteran players that HE made great (duper, clayton, hardy, mcduffie, fryar, gadsden, moore, etc..)? I can recognize montana only as a superior quarterback, but no one threw the ball better than marino- he is the greatest passer ever. sadly, at this rate, manning is going to give him a run for his money, but not because of the rings.
Apparently you haven't looked at Favre's stats too closely. He will also go down as having thrown more interceptions than any NFL QB. Marino was a far more consistent QB. Favre never had the great games or seasons that Marino had, and Marino never had the bad games that Favre had. If you want to study stats, look at all of Favre's stats from every playoff game he has played in since his last Super Bowl appearance, they're horrific. Marino is still the best, until Peyton takes that title away from him.
without marino the dolphins would've always been a 5-11, 7-9 team in the nfl.
call him what you will, but no other QB among those whose name are brought up whenever this duscussion is held..
no one did ever do more with less.
Damn Mando you do know how to stir up the shitzle. Dan is the best passer and threw the hardest ball I have ever seen. Favre has gotten lucky in that he has never had a serious injury. Marino was never quite the same after the Achilles. Also, of all the so called greatest QB's Marino definitely had the worst running backs. Besides Duper and Clayton most of his receivers were mediocre at best. Only Elway might have had as sorry a supporting cast.
That being said I do think the greatest QB's of yesterday will be surpassed by the QB's of today. Manning will surpass Marino as the greatest passer and Brady will surpass Montana as the most clutch QB. Manning doesnt have Marino's velocity but controls the position like Marino and has the greatest football IQ I have ever seen. I would have loved to have seen Marino play with two number one receivers like Manning has most of his career.
I too noticed the picture change Armando but I am glad you went back to the older one. It wasnt that it made you look older it just was not a very good photo. You looked like one of those guys that ends up talking to Chris Hanson in the living room of an underage girl (or boy).
I am also glad to see an intelligent post by a female fan. Thats hot even without a picture. Come back and stick it to Armando anytime Barbara. Danny Boy will always be my favorite no matter what anyone says.
Marino in my opinion was the best QB, even without the ring. You can say that about Barry Sanders - one of the greatest runningbacks without a ring or an O-Line for that matter. Miami never had a good running game with Marino, if they had, like Elway had with Terrel Davis, etc. Marino would have one a few rings.
As far as Marino being the greatest quarterback, it is a no brainer. Sure Brett Favre may have all the records till Payton Manning gets them, but you have to look at the individual teams that each has had over their years. Marino by far had the worst receivers besides the Mark's brothers and maybe Irving Fryer and OJ McDuffie. Plus, Cleveland Stadium turf aside and Marino "achilles", and you could count the number of consecutive starts as well, which would have brought more TD's to add. You may have your opinions, but in my mind nobody was a fine of a pure passer than Dan Marino.
Yes,
Payton Manning threw 49 Td's in a season and Favre will top 420. But there are a lot of Qb's putting up big numbers now. Like Babe Ruth, Marino shattered records and blew his peers away. When Marino threw 48 Tds to shatter G. Blanda's 1961 single season record of 36 . Dave Krieg was second with 32 & there were only 5 guys with 25 or more. When Manning threw 49 in 2004. Culpepper had 39, Mcnabb had 31, Favre had 30 and there were 9 guys with 27 or better. As a rookie in 1983 Marino sat and watched the first 5 games. Over the last 11 games of his rookie season he threw 20 td's. Followed by the record shattering 48 in 84, 30 more in 85, and 44 in 86. That is 142 Td's an avg of 35.5. Which I'll round up to 36 over his first four seasons. The single season record for twenty five seasons of 36 Tds is what he averaged over his first 4 seasons. Marino held the single season and career Td records simultaneously. Favre won't do that.Manning may or may not. Other players will hold the records. But Dan Marino will always be the Babe Ruth of NFL Qb's. He is the greatest QB of alltime. That greatness along with a few bad draft day decisions probably kept Marino from winning a Super bowl. On the strength of Marino's right arm and his will. The Dolphins won games they should have lost. Which meant they were not getting high draft picks. Which hindered the ability to build the team around Marino. When the Dolphins did have chances at players like Thurman Thomas and Randy Moss. They made the wrong decisions. I can understand Thomas because he was coming off of a knee injury. But I'll never forgive Jimmy Johnson for trading down and passing on Randy Moss to draft John Avery. How many Td's would the M&M combination of Marino to Moss have put up? Together would they have been enough to overcome other deficiencies? I think Marino & Moss together would have been near impossible to stop. Moss wants the ball all the time. I think with Moss being the athletic freak that he is. Marino would have thrown his way alot and been near impossible to sack. Damn Jimmy Johnson.
Questioning whether Dan Marino is the greatest QB of all-time is a little like questioning whether Jesus Christ is God.
"So-Called Chosen Frozen
Apology Made to Whomever Pleases
Still they got me like Jesus"
--Chuck D, Public Enemy
As they say in Michigan when opposing teams starting line-ups are announced, "Who cares?!?!?"
He is RETIRED. Let the AARP worry about him.
Right now what we need to worry about is WINNING A GAME.
Be the Buddha, live in the present.
No Ricky, I said BE the Buddha, not SMOKE the Buddha...
Gersom, The year marino blew out his Achilles in the third or fourth game of the season, Scott Mitchell and then Steve DeBerg took the Dolphins to a 9-2 record, which was the best in the NFL and included a victory over Dallas, who won the Super Bowl the year before and would win again.
Then the entire secondary went down to season-ending injury (Two corners including Troy Vincent and two safeties including Louis Oliver) and two linebackers went down also. Then Miami couldn't stop anyone and lost the final five games and finished 9-7.
So that team Marino supposedly carried on his back did very well without him and proved the defense was more valuable than he was.
But you people go ahead and dream about Marino and how great he was. The truth is he wasn't great enough to win a Super Bowl.
I'm not even gonna read these comments, but your argument is flawed. It is not because of 1 or 2 records that Marino IS THE GREATEST. It's not because of rings that Marino IS THE GREATEST. Marino has MULTIPLE records. Just because he loses HIS most prized records doesn't make the others any less impressive! Not to mention, do you happen to have the TD VS INT stats on Favre V Marino? Wait, that would be counter-productive to your argument! If you want to mention ANY other QB they ALL have had a supporting cast. Manning plays indoors half the games of career. Just go back and WATCH Marino throw a 60 Yard strike through 3 deep defenders and you will KNOW the MARINO IS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME!
Sorry for the shitty spelling, I was in a fit
The 85 bears were 18-1 and won the superbowl. If the other Qb's including a guy named Montana were honest. The answer to what they thought they did best against the 85 bears defense would be. I turtled. Because the other QB's and offenses in the league had no answer for and feared that Bears defense. Conversly the Bears defense had no answer for Dan Marino and the Dolphin offense. Dan Marino and his Dolphins teammates never won a superbowl.
But as far as this Dolphin fan is concerned. Every member of that 1985 Dolphin team won the biggest game of thier careers. When they beat the 85 Bears on that night in the orange bowl. I always issue this challenge to people who think Marino isn't the greatest of all- time. I tell them get the tapes of all the 1985 Bears games and watch them. If you do that and still think Marino is not the greast QB of all-time. I won't agree with you. But I won't argue with you any more either. I might ask when was the last time you had your eyes checked.
its a team game it takes more then one guy to win he never had a good enough team with that said.dan is the greatest of all time.
Tom Brady is the best QB of all time. Period. Thats it. Three Rings.
Tom Brady, Peyton Manning,John Elway, Joe Montana and others were better than Marino. Self-deception to take our eyes over this season's perfectly imperfect outlook is cheap journalism.
Brady is on track to have at least one more ring, maybe two. If Dan wins one, just one ring then maybe he is in the mix. But Dan quit. He quit on Miami.
He was what? 8-10 in the playoffs? Good yes. Great no.
Dan couldn't carry Joe's, Ben's, Peyton's, Tommy's, or Troy's jockstrap.
Sorry dude,, its all about winning the big one & Dan choked. Brad Johnson won a Superbowl!!! Brad Johnson & the Bucs!! Sorry, but Dan has the dreaded *.
*no superbowl victory.
Kurt Warner won a Superbowl.
Dan didn't.
Drew Bledsoe won a Superbowl.
Dan didn't.
*It should be noted that Dan Marino did not win a Superbowl. He did try, but he came up short. Miami would forever be remembered as the city that came up short. Dan would go on to forget about Miami & wish ill will on Favre.
Ask Brett Favre and he will tell you himself, Marino was he greatest. Remember Marino played in an era where the DB's were able to bump the WR's at the line of scrimmage. Favre & Manning (especially Manning) played when the Wr's got a clean release. In fact this rule was changed because of Manning and how the Patriots use to dominate the Colts because they would upset their timing. I don't care about stats or rings, what my eyes witnessed with Marino is all the evidence I need.... Marino is the greatest of all time. I will admit what Manning is doing is incredible, he is so smart. When he retires it could be argued he was the best ever. I gues what I really mean is Marino was the greatest passer of all time hands down. You can make an argument for some others as greatest QB's of all time but no one, I MEAN NO ONE, compares to Marino and the things he could do with his right arm. I love Favre, I respect Montana, Manning, Elway, Brady, and others but Marino was the greatest.
If Marino wasn't such a rock head and bought into what Jimmy Johnson wanted to do...he would have had his SB Ring.
Also, if Shula would have fired Tom Olividotti after the AFC Championship Game lost to Buffalo and swallowed his pride and hired Pete Carroll who was just released from the Jets and would later become the Defensive Coach of the year for the SB champions 49ers may have also produced a SB for Dan.
As then as is now with the Ginn Family/Cam connection....POLITICAL CRONYISM always results in FAILURE.....
If he was the greatest he would of found a way to win the big one. That in & of it self removes Marino from the mix.
Armando;
What's the difference between a winner and a champion?
A winner is not necessarily a champion, but a champion is definitely a winner.
Dan Marion was a winner.
*Didn't win a SB
Did some idiot say Tom Brady was in the top 10 quaterbacks ever? are you retarded he is surrounded buy the best team in football today he has a hour in the pocket good lord..and montana was the first quaterback to run the west coast offense, so nobody had a defense for it or he would have looked like he did in kansas city good but not great...the bottom line is Marino is the best passer Elway and Jonny U come next, Dan Fouts, Fran Tarkenton and Bret Farve close behind and then comes the Montana, and Moon, Young, ect. Im sure Manning will be on that list up there with the big boys and mabey Tom Brady if he continues to have RANDY MOSS and Bill Belichek but if not he will show you that he is a good but not great quaterback
Wow, way to get some attention! Dan Marino will always be the greatest in my eyes. The bottom line is that he had to do it all himself. Elway...Terell Davis. Montana.....Craig, Rice, Taylor. Farve....Green, Sharpe, Fersuson. I'm not dismissing the Marks Bros. at all. But they weren't with Marino for the bulk of his career. Every team that played Miami knew that you had to stop the pass and could completely ignore the run. The Fins walked in one-dimentional and Dan only has 3 fewer wins than Favre. It's all sobjective though. My friend who's a Steelers fan says Bradshaw's the best because of 4 SB rings. Can't really argue with those numbers. Of course, he then tells me he would have taken Dan over Terry any day.
Barbara, Love to see a female Fins Fan. I think I love you!!
Why are you deleting so many posts? You are a fascist, Armando.
Respectfully, everyone must keep in mind when we talk about the "best quarterback" we are talking about the position, QB. Dan Marino is unquestionable the best of all time, as a quarterback. He wasn't on the best team of all time. Teams win Super bowls, not individuals. If the Dolphins put 100 points on the board and the defense gives up 101, its still a loss. The "ring", has nothing to do with the position, and the all time best for that position. To say the ring is a factor would imply personal accomplishments don't matter. Favre is outstanding, and so are the teams he played on. Favre's team was sound on defense and special teams, not to mention a n"small" thing called a running game. What if Dan was on such a team, true I am speculating, but what if? Dan is and always will be the man!
Respectfully, everyone must keep in mind when we talk about the "best quarterback" we are talking about the position, QB. Dan Marino is unquestionable the best of all time, as a quarterback. He wasn't on the best team of all time. Teams win Super bowls, not individuals. If the Dolphins put 100 points on the board and the defense gives up 101, its still a loss. The "ring", has nothing to do with the position, and the all time best for that position. To say the ring is a factor would imply personal accomplishments don't matter. Favre is outstanding, and so are the teams he played on. Favre's team was sound on defense and special teams, not to mention a "small" thing called a running game. What if Dan was on such a team, true I am speculating, but what if? Dan is and always will be the man!
you also have to look at the team around both quarter backs farve also had a decent line for more than half his career dan never did dan only had his tight end and 1 reciever to thro to and neither had amazing hands or break away speed then realize every team in dans era were decent farve got to play the lions anough said dan marino is till the single greatest quarter back of all time its taking everyone longer to break his records then he spent setting them the day someone breaks his records in the smount of time it took him to set them i will agree but untiill then theirs no point arguing against him
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