The time to play John Beck has arrived
LONDON -- The argument for keeping John Beck under wraps has been pretty compelling until now.
The idea has been to let the rookie mature and learn the game while running scout team and, lately, second-team plays during practice. The idea has been not to ruin the kid by putting him in a situation to fail. The idea has been not to simply sacrifice him in a game whose speed he's not ready for, especially with a leaky offensive line in front of him to protect him.
The idea has been to be very, very careful with this valuable player so that when it is his time he can worry about all the right things and not the wrong things. The idea is to keep him from forming bad habits -- quirks in his game that might take much time to undo.
I get all that.
And having said all that, the time to let the guy play has definitely come. His apprenticeship needs to start now because the Dolphins have two weeks to prepare for their next game. Give him a heads up that the Nov. 11 game versus Buffalo is his time and let him spend his free time brushing up on the playbook.
When the Dolphin return to the United States, give him as many practice snaps with the first team as possible. And then put him out there against a team that is good, but by no means great. Put him out there at home where most fans will be rooting, praying, for his success.
Put him out there Nov. 11 because you can't script a better time to do it.
This Dolphins season is shot. It's not about what might happen this year anymore. This is all about the future, and it says here Beck should be inserted so he can get a jump on that future. He has to play eventually. He has to go through the uncomfortable growing pains most rookie quarterback experience. Let him do it as a rookie instead of next year when he'll be 27 years old and playing in a season that might actually mean something.
Treat these last eight games as Beck's time to grow and learn and improve. That time has to come sometime.
If he's as good as the Dolphins believe, then he should be good enough to take this step without falling on his face. Will he have missteps? Sure. He's a rookie. But must he be forced to at least take those steps? He has to sometime.
Now is that sometime.
So am I missing something? Is there a bigger reason to continue to keep this guy undercover? If there is, I don't see it.
The idea has been to let the rookie mature and learn the game while running scout team and, lately, second-team plays during practice. The idea has been not to ruin the kid by putting him in a situation to fail. The idea has been not to simply sacrifice him in a game whose speed he's not ready for, especially with a leaky offensive line in front of him to protect him.
The idea has been to be very, very careful with this valuable player so that when it is his time he can worry about all the right things and not the wrong things. The idea is to keep him from forming bad habits -- quirks in his game that might take much time to undo.
I get all that.
And having said all that, the time to let the guy play has definitely come. His apprenticeship needs to start now because the Dolphins have two weeks to prepare for their next game. Give him a heads up that the Nov. 11 game versus Buffalo is his time and let him spend his free time brushing up on the playbook.
When the Dolphin return to the United States, give him as many practice snaps with the first team as possible. And then put him out there against a team that is good, but by no means great. Put him out there at home where most fans will be rooting, praying, for his success.
Put him out there Nov. 11 because you can't script a better time to do it.
This Dolphins season is shot. It's not about what might happen this year anymore. This is all about the future, and it says here Beck should be inserted so he can get a jump on that future. He has to play eventually. He has to go through the uncomfortable growing pains most rookie quarterback experience. Let him do it as a rookie instead of next year when he'll be 27 years old and playing in a season that might actually mean something.
Treat these last eight games as Beck's time to grow and learn and improve. That time has to come sometime.
If he's as good as the Dolphins believe, then he should be good enough to take this step without falling on his face. Will he have missteps? Sure. He's a rookie. But must he be forced to at least take those steps? He has to sometime.
Now is that sometime.
So am I missing something? Is there a bigger reason to continue to keep this guy undercover? If there is, I don't see it.
posted by Armando Salguero at 4:04 AM
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The time has come!!!
I'm sure everyone wants to see Beck play, including Cameron; however, I am wondering if Cameron will choose to play Lemon over Beck against Buffalo simply because he presents a better opportunity to win that game, which might be the most win-able game left on the schedule. 0-16 is such a bad omen for the future of a team and its coach, it's hard to see Cameron surviving the offseason if the Dolphins can't win a single game this year. Once he gets his first win, I believe, he won't feel as bad about getting an early start to next season's evaluation process.
Start Beck. Can't make the team any worse. We'll get valuable information about the future signal caller of this team. If he can't produce with 8 games to go, then QB is an option in the next draft (Newsflash- we may get a high pick in '08). Evaluate ALL of the talent on this team before next year so we can fill in some gaps with draft and free agency. This year is over. Let the young ones get their feet wet. This experience won't cost anything this year (the remaining games do not matter). Hand Beck the ball and let him strut his stuff. I think Fin-Nation will be surprised at this kid's arm strength and read progression. He'll be fine. Go Dolphins.
There is only one conceivable reason that Beck would not start, which I don't think is the case based on what I've read and seen in pre-season and college game clips. It would have to be that Beck is so bad he is now not considered the QB of the future. So he must and will start. Everybody knows the future begins in two weeks. Thank goodness the past is over. Nothing else will drive excitement like watching the future on display. The past will only make things worse and ticket sales will drop to zilch, and I think there are still plenty of tickets to sell.
This is an absolute no-brainer. BECK MUST PLAY! Right now the Offensive Line is one of the bright spots on this team. So the argument that he is going to get killed back there don't fly.
You know what? The offensive line is pretty darn good (a major surprise). Our future receivers and even tight end Peele look pretty good. You no longer see all the dropped passes that are catchable. (Chambers and McMichael anyone?) Chatman did a good job filling in for Brown. All we need is a consistant QB and we might have a decent offense. It has to be Beck. There is no other option. Lemon is a good backup and good to have on the team. But he will never be a starting QB except in emergencies.
Emergency time is over. That was a winnable game in London with just some decent QB play that didn't happen. It is now time for the future to be put on the field to get experience and prepare for next year. It's obvious this season is over and Lemon is not the future. BRING ON JOHN BECK. Let's see what we have.
Arrrrrrmando....
Have safe flight back over the "pond."
If anybody has been paying attention to my posts, I've been crying for Beck for the last 3 weeks. I back-pedaled a bit when Lemon did well against the Brownies, but I'm back on the BECK bandwagon.
Lets get him out there. Lets get him gelling with Ginn RIGHT NOW. Sure, he's going to struggle. Sure, he might not even win a game, but at this point, there is nothing left to lose. There's always the chance he gets injured, but every player takes that chance. Our offensive line is the lone bright spot as not many sacks have been given up. They can give him the necessary protection to either gun the ball downfield, throw it away, or rely on the ground game.
Speaking of which, Jesse Chatman was all over the place yesterday. What a heck of a backup. I'm still in the Ricky Williams camp, but I don't think that will ever come to fruition.
START BECK ON the 11TH!
Start Beck now.
Please, no more lemon on my fish...I'm ready for the BECK!!
Please, No more Lemon on my Fish...I'm ready for the Beck
I think it's coming a little earlier than most of us wanted, but it's time. The team isn't going anywhere with Cleo Lemon. Lemon is a good number two quarterback, but makes way too many mistakes as a starter. With two weeks to prepare for Buffalo, would be the best time to hand over the reigns to John Beck.
So far this season, the offensive line has given up only 15 sacks. Which is a vast improvement over where that unit was last year. Keep in mind, that last year's O-Line gave up a total of 41 sacks for the 2006 season. Anyways, the offensive line has become the strength of this team. Jesse Chatman has shown that he can run well in Ronnie Brown's abscense, with the occasional spell of Patrick Cobbs.
I think that the offensive line would be more highly motivated to protect Beck (not saying that they weren't motivated to protect Green and Lemon) but rather because they know that he is possibly the future leader of not only the offense, but the Miami Dolphins in general. So, Beck has a good offensive line. He has a sound running game he can rely on. He probably has better timing with Hagan and Ginn than Trent or Cleo ever had. So, yeah. Hand over the reigns to John Beck and let's see what he's got.
Hell, every story you read about Beck, it always seems that he has his nose in the playbook. Always studying, trying to get the offense down pat. Guys, just remember one thing..... He is a rookie. There will be some good moments, but he will have his share of mistakes.
I think starting Beck is the only thing that can save this season. If there's a bright spot, he's it. All it would take would be a Beck 4th qtr comeback and some promising games. That would leave a good taste for everyone going into next season and would also take some of the heat off of Cam & Randy...who need it.
Cleo Lemon has just proved to us all that he's a decent back-up QB...So that is that. Lets move on to Mr. Beck.
Mando would you agree that the game wasn't lost by the players this time... it was lost by the man calling the plays on offense, who is conveniently the Head Coach. Now I'm not calling for his head but it was poor decision making on his part that cost miami 10 points at least:
- 3 down and 1 to go and he calls Marty Booker to sneak it
- 2 and goal and he calls a passing play when all day passes have been unsafe and the running game was moving the chains!
Beck needs to be played to evaluate him as Lemon is fine but is lacking 1. Arm strength, in practice you could notice Beck had more zip on the ball. 2. Awerness, I think it was on the touchdown drive (not 100%) but there was a moment where Giants rushed the line before the snap and Lemon saw this but still went along with the play and took a sack that pushed us back nearly 10 yards. He needed to call an audible or something as even I saw it from the nose bleed seats!
Amen brother.
Memo to Cam - this is YOUR guy. This is THE guy you took - for all intents and purposes - INSTEAD of Brady Quinn. This is the guy you were so confident in that you felt you could take a luxury in Ginn w/ the first pick over Brady Quinn.
Start Beck NOW! Announce it at your first press conference back home!! I'm so sick and tired of bad decisions by this team's ownership, GM, and coach. I can't stand the thought of another one! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out!
I agree. Speaking of Ginn, why don't we throw more to him when he catches almost every ball?
I wish I could see film and understand if it is Lemon not seeing him? Ginn always covered or double covered? Cam just not using him?
I don't want to rush to judgment but if it is double coverage, I want to know that! Is he garnering that kind of respect and nobody is telling me?
I too think its time for us to see Beck out there!! I think he will give the offense that spark to win some games!!! Does anyone remeber last year when the Titans finally put in Vince Young, it was just what the team needed, hell had they put him in earlier I think they would've made the playoffs!!
We need to see what we have!I think Cam is hesitant to put him out there because if he fails big then we (the fans) will be demanding they draft a QB with the first pick and that just AIN'T gonna happen!! So Cam is keeping him under wraps until he feels the guy can make the fans feel he IS the future!!!
Sorry J Dizzle, but I don't think anyone in the Fins organization cares too much about what the fans think (see 2007 draft, Wannstache for all those years, and all the other crap) Cam only cares about the team and its success, so I think Beck is in for sure. If Cam doesn't get fired, which I don't think he will, he also needs to know if Beck is the guy for sure. His job depends on it because next year he will be fired if there isn't any improvement over this season! Besides, what difference does it make now anyway!
I agree they don't care what the fans think, but Cam doesn't want the same reaction he and Randy got when they drafted Ted Ginn with the 9th overall pick!!! Trust me until he belives that Beck can get out there and silence the nay-sayers, he isn't going to see any playing time! The fans would like to evaluate him in real game situations but Cam evaulates this guy everyday in practice!!
As someone stated earlier it would be a good business move, to salvage some ticket sales, but I don't think Wanye is going to force Cam to play Beck, so once again until Cam feels like he's ready we'll all just be waiting, just as we've been waiting to see L.Booker!!!
@ Ron
I was there lastnight and I saw on at least 3 occasions where Ted Gin was open but Lemon had his back to him. And the only time Lemon saw him out run coverage down the right he under threw him by 20+ yards (maybe the weather played into that) I just feel that if the guy can make plays, you'd look to get the ball to him and i'm worried this is down to coaches not putting the emphasis to throw to him or make plays for him (like when the year began the way they thought R Brown wasn't their man so never gave him the ball) I mean its not hard to make a play to throw a quick screen to him in open field and have a tight end or guard pull off to create a hole, from what I saw he's got the speed and the moves to create something... anything!
On Beck:
Just think even in preseason he showed promise and would make sense to play him two weeks away but I'll wait till then... there have been many times where on paper it looks like the best bet to happen but then the most weirdest choices are made (anyone remember the shock at even taking Gin!)
Armando, you starting to make some sense with your blog posts.
Beck needs to be in there, for all the reasons stated.
That said, you probably don't agree with the following opinion but I hope you will come around to it. I think people need to really start coming together and join me in laying blame on this pitiful season on the man most responsible, and that's not Mr. H, its Mr. Cameron. I think Mueller is an ok GM. Hudson Houck has worked miralces on the offensive line. The defense has fallen apart, and while that can not be layed only on Cam's door -the facts are Cam's leadership, decision-making and overall management taken altogether have led us to this pathetic result. I am certain he is most responsible for the Dolphins losing ways. This team did not and should not have had a season as horrible as this. And the one man who has the most control over this result is Cam Cameron.
Name names, Mr. H.
Thanks Ali! Much Appreciated. Kinda what I figured!
Jed,
I don't know. Cam is a rookie too and he will have to learn from his rookie mistakes. This offense is not the problem. It is the fact we are rebuilding. I mean he started with C-Pep and Harrington, who are both backups and then went to Green (who was here to mentor Beck more than be a QB) and Lemon, Before it was Frerotte and Rosenfels. Just be patient.
Give Cam three seasons and then dump him if he sucks and find someone who can use a team that is being infused with pretty good talent right now. Belichek was a major failure before Tom Brady came along...
Why is the 'most winnable' game against Buffalo, What about the NY Jets?, Ravens?, Bengals? The way this year is playing out for all these teams, we could actually win all these games. NCFINFAN, Oh Yeah, we beat ourselves offensively against the Giants. Missed Field Goal, 3 points, had to settle for 3 points on the Lemon Botched snap at the 2 yard line, Thats 4 points difference there. We should have won 17 to 13, or maybe even 17 to 10. "This aint hollywood, its the truth" as Will Primos would say.
Armando, tell Cameron to read the blog comments for your post.
I hope he understands he wont be thrown to the wolves for putting Beck in....Of course, he might be if Beck sucks and everyone thinking about how he passed over QUinn....hrm...i wonder.
Anyways, tell him to take a look.
I'd bet that Cleo remains the starter after reading Camoron's comments defending him on the official site after the Giants game:
"Quarterback Cleo Lemon struggled with the wet ball, but Cameron said he’s getting better with his decision-making and he’s getting great support from his offensive line, the running backs and players like tight end Justin Peelle."
Please fire Cam NOW!
DolphinRay please get it through your head that no matter what Beck does or doesn't do between now and the end of the season, barring a career threatening injury, Miami WILL NOT be drafting a QB with a first day pick in the draft.
You cannot judge a rookie QB in 8 games. They believe in him and for that reason they will not "waste" a high pick on another QB. I know some media types have suggested the same thing and so you get it into your head, but try to logically think through things before you post.
The decision to use Booker on the QB sneak was foolish. The concept of the play was good to get the defense off guard but the conditions did not permit it. Good play, bad timing... Cameron should have known better, but hindsight is always 100%.
I agree that Beck should be playing now to see if he is the real deal, but I disagree that we should not consider drafting a QB in the next draft. There are some good ones coming out this year. Brohm, Ryan, etc... Remember, QB is the value position, you don't draft for need, you draft the best player available. You can always trade that pick for more picks, but if you declare that you will not pick the QB then the teams behind you will have no reason to trade with you. You have to leverage the best player available.
I am very excited about the prospects of the rookie start, and for the next two weeks, Beck should be eating, sleeping, practicing and watching game fill of the Bills.
I just hope that he and Cam agree that he is as ready to play as we all hope he is. I also hope you HATERS out there will cut him a little slack if he comes in and plays like a rookie. Because guess what? he is...
Go Dolphins!!!
DrumFinFan
Can we fire some of our fans? People in South Florida are morons.
Make that game film...
Go 'Fins!
DrumFinFan
(trying to hurry. I'm at work)
That's all you got anonymous?
Patrick,
I applaud your thinking over what is usually posted on these boards, however, other teams already know Miami will be passing on a QB no matter what they say. Miami can still leverage their pick by understanding that QB is a high priority for more than one team and using the other teams as leverage.
That being said, in my opinion, Miami would be much better served to not have the #1 overall pick because of the guaranteed money and the fact that it has become so hard to deal that pick. Miami needs to be in a situation where dealing their 1st round pick is very possible (not that they have to deal) and at #1 overall it has become a rarity. So here's hoping we get ahead of the Rams.
I don't know... Agreed it doesn't seem plausible given the needs of the team, but it can't be disregarded because there will be a team that will covet a QB. We won't know until the time comes, but Petrino will be looking at Brohm with perhaps the number 3 pick. At that point it's all about value. Ryan looks like a great prospect at BC and there are a couple others.
Remember what the more savvy GMs have done, for instance when Goober Manning was coming out. Spanos had Breeze and Manning demanded he would not play of SD. Spanos drafted him anyway and turned it into Phillip Rivers and Shawn Merrimen! That's why you go for the value not the need.
I believe this has been a large part of why we have nothing to show in 4 years of the draft. To unequivocally say we will not draft a QB gives away any leverage you might have with the 1st overall pick. Do we need a QB? I agree no, but if he's the best guy someone will trade for him.
I think Mueller knows this so it would not surprise me if he picked a QB. You can't really lose because having 2 good QBs would be a situation we have not seen here in a long time.
I have been in favor of of keeping Beck on the bench this whole season, but now I am beginning to change my mind.
I do want to see Beck in there against Buffalo in 2 weeks.
but PLEASE people, dont jump on the "BUST" wagon if Beck doesn't turn the whole team around -- He's just one man. Give him a chance to develop.
Patrick
Good points, but I still don't think Cam and Randy have QB on their draft day shopping list especially not in the first round!! Even if there is a QB available that is better than Beck Cam and Randy won't jump ship on Beck just yet!!! Look at the past San Diego situation with Drew Brees and P.Rivers. Cam and Marty where totally against drafting another QB because they where satisfied with Drew!! And since Cam has publicly said this is the QB of the future he isn't gonna draft another QB and have Beck question why he is in Miami!!!
When the season started it seemed like keeping Beck on the bench was clearly the right thing to do. But that was before 0-8... Now it makes no sense at all. I would expect Beck to have some problems getting acclimated to the speed of the game and the defenses he will be facing, but I'd rather see him learn now. We should know in 4 games or so whether he has the potential to be great. It will clarify what we need to do in the draft, but as I previously said, Just because he has the potential, don't allow that to dictate the draft. Pick the value.
If Beck isn't in there in two weeks vs Buffalo, then bring EL TUNA GRANDE to Miami in 2008!!
JD, they drafted Manning anyway! That's because they had a great GM in Spanos. They then traded him to The Giants for 2 1st round picks and ended up with Merriman and Rivers.
Exactly why you pick the QB if he is the best guy.
Gotta run guys... Man this work always gets in the way of great football conversations!
Patrick
Yes they did end up with some good picks, but Cam and Marty where against using a pick for P.Rivers. But I see what you're saying now. Draft the best QB and trade him for more picks that makes sense, but is toooooooo much like right for Cam and Randy to execute!!!
Patrick, the Manning scenario is a little bit of comparing apples and oranges. SD was intent on selecting a QB with their first pick already. So the situations are quite different in my opinion. Brees, if you remember, was already "labeled" (albeit unfairly) a bust. Which also gets back to the point that you will not be able to make an accurate judgment from one year of a rookie QB (Beck).
There is an even bigger underscore to starting Beck vs the Bills beside the obvious points previously mentioned. The Bills are starting a rookie in Trent Edwards, who was drafted after Beck, and is doing a good job for them. Not starting Beck says this...You are older than Edwards, drafted before him, the Dolphins head shed thinks you are a better quarterback hence the draft position,....but to tell you the truth we just don't think you are ready to compete against your peer who is enjoying some success as a ROOKIE. Come on Cam! Give me a break and a reason to keep watching your dreadful team and display of zero discipline. START BECK NOW, you owe that much so as not to be laughing stock of his peers this off-season both organizationally AND individually. YOU OWE HIM THIS HEAD SHED!
I don't agree with Curt that Lemon gives us a better chance to win against Buffalo. From what I've seen Lemon would have a hard time beating any of the top ten college teams. With that said, as some of you know I have been defending Cam ever since the draft BUT if he doesn't play Beck against Buffalo I am jumping off the Cam wagon. There is no reason to keep looking at Lemon when it is painfully obvious that he will not be a starting QB in this league. The time to see what Beck has is now. The draft will be here before we know it and the Dolphins need to know if they made the right choice for their QB of the future. ARMANDO, You said you couldn't see any other reason not to start him and I agree but after thinking about it,, could it be that they want to show him to the NFL to possibly get a 5th or 6th round pick for him in a trade?
I REPEAT; I (NYScott) will no longer defend Cameron if he makes a boneheaded decision not to play Beck without giving us a damn good explanation as to why!
Lemon signed a 1 yr contract before the season with Miami, he is a free agent after this season. Why would anyone trade for him when they can just sign him after the season.
0-8! enough said. Start building for the future with the young players mixed in with our dependable veterans. John Beck needs to start on the 11th of November 2007. This gives them 2 weeks to gameplan for him. Even if it means "dumbing" down the playbook, I think we need to see him out there. Beck to Ginn might just be a beautiful thing. Why not start it now?
Here's the deal. This blog is about 5 weeks too late. If you guys haven't noticed Cam is a douche. Don't hold your breath on him starting Beck. (Even when it's obvious to EVERYONE it's the right thing to do) He should have pulled Green by week 3, Ginn should have been the #3 reciever and getting passes thrown his way from week 1. Brown should have NEVER had to share the minimal snaps he had through the first 2 weeks. This offense may be putting up points (albeit mostly when the game is already lost), but imagine what output they could POTENTIALLY have had??? Cam has the opposite of an itchy trigger finger. He's the kind of guy that thinks 3 times and hesitates before he changes lanes just in time to cut you off. I'm almost not even disappointed with his decisions anymore as it would be tantamount to being upset at a retarded dog that won't stop drooling.
its time to start Beck. see what he can do before the end of the season. if he is not the future, draft in 2008 in the first round. Matt Ryan from BC would be a smart pick. The way he came back against VTECH showed that he is a winner. The big reason we are 0-8 this year is the secondary. We did nothing this year to upgrade this group. We need a shut down corner just like Jimmy Johnson said. We need to start throwing down the field to Ginn. We got nothing to lose.
if beck dont play. cam must go!!!!!mr H you must step in and demand for beck . its your money and your team.mr H quit doing the wright thing and get involved or you will be dead and gone before the phins become a winner agian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some of you people are clueless. I agree with playing Beck in 2 weeks, but there is no way Miami is going to take a QB in the 1st round of the draft.
For those saying " take Ryan" in the draft. What do you see in him worth taking? Did you actually watch the full game the other night. He missed so many passes it was a joke. The only ones he completed were the couple at the end of the game.
If you really want to see a come back then go to youtube and watch Becks comeback against Utah last year. Thats what you call a comeback.
Taking a QB in next years draft means another rebuilding year. Is that what you want?
I don't know who actually reads these things, but this article is very well said. It IS time to let Beck go thru his growing pains and learning curves. I understand with the Giants pass rush you didn't want to get him decapitated, that is fine, but he needs to play the rest of the season. It will only benefit him next year and the years to come.
Wow, what a change in heart. Not you Armando but these fickle fans. Most of these guys hated Ginn. Now I am reading that he is open and can catch passes. HMMMM. But he didn't start the first few games. Cam knew when to start Ginn and trade Chambers. away. He gave everyone a chance.
Everyone has to admit that the coach will know when to start this guy. Let him make his decision based on reason sound judgement.
Anon, "Cam knew when to start Ginn and trade Chambers....etc."
Yeah, Cam knows. You blow, woman. The Dolphins are 0-8. Cam's decision making is obviously f-cked. He is a douche bag, as someone else said.
0-8.
See reality. Fire Cam.
When John Beck plays he is going to show what a huge mistake the Dolphin's made by passing on Brady Quinn.I think Cameron knows once Beck is named the starter and flops that his days with the Dolphins are numbered.
Vinny
I agree with anonymous who posted at 8:40 AM. South Florida fans are not only fickle, but also stupid. They are probably the worst fans in all of sports. All they do is whine and cry, like a spoiled brat in a Toys R' Us. South Florida fans suck. Yeah, you people are the absolute worst.
Anyways, the Dolphins are out of playoff contention. You have to look towards the future. Th O-Line is playing well, the running game is solid, let John Beck play. If the offensive line sucked, I would say hold off on starting him. But the offensive line is doing well, so John Beck gets the green light in my book.
Lemon is a good backup? What the hell are you smoking? Ricky's stash? He looked like a bad High School quarterback in London. Not an average H.S. QB, mind you, a BAD HS QB
(I guess Armando is still getting over jet lag!) It's a tough call on Beck... Someone pointed out correctly yesterday that SD selected a QB with the 1st pick (Manning who was traded for Rivers and 2 draft picks) because Drew Brees was not working out. Which eludes to the fact that it took 3 years for Brees to blossom. Brady didn't see the field his rookie season. Patton Manning sucked his rookie year. Troy Aikman was 1-15. How do you know... Some guys like Ryan Leif or Heath Shuler who everyone thought would be great got killed as rookies and never recovered.
It's easy for us to stand back and say Cameron should play the guy, but we truly don't know whether he is ready. We certainly are ready to see him, but Cameron can't allow his passion (or ours) to dictate his better judgment.
Cameron has made some mistakes as a head coach and maybe he's not the right guy for that job, but he's coached some pretty good QBs in his day. I may not be sold on him as the head coach but I will begrudgingly defer to his judgment on Beck.
We don't really have a choice now do we?
The first thing I would like to say is that I beleive Beck should play against Buffalo. It's time to see what he brings to the table though we need to give Beck a chance...unlike what many fans have been doing with Cam and Randy.
That bring me to my second comment. It's amazing how the fans continue to bash Cam (and Randy). No one should be more blamed for this team's pathetic record than Capers (though I don't want to ignore blame for Wanny, Johnson and Saban as their drafts have killed this team).
Capers was re-hired to maintain continuity on a defense that was ranked in the Top 5, while Cam could be given an opportunity to fix the offense (particularly in is first year). Well the offense has seen dramtic improvement while the defense is now ranked at the bottom of the league.
I know it is Cam's ultimate responsibility but if the defense could have played close to last year's level, our discussions on this blog would be entirely different. Furthermore, I don't give much credence to the notion that lost players, injuries and 1 year older explain the decline in play. This drop was to significant.
Personally, I don't think the Dolphins have been any good since the 1987 season, the year they left the Orange Bowl and went to JRS. We have not won a significant playoff game or been to a SB since.
I also think its time we revamp the whole image. I like the logo on Dolphins Stadium. A change is need in look and attitude for this team, other than those ugly Orange jerseys. Changed helped the Bengals (SB after changing to the tiger stripes), Falcons (go to Balck and BAM SB here we come), and the Ravens (Shield to Bird equals SB).
The problem with starting Beck is he's a Mormon. And as we all know Mormons have 10 wives, wear polyester and beat chipmunks.
What's wrong with ten wives?
Someone a few posts back included Jimmy Johnson among those he blames for poor Dolphins' drafts. Say what you will about Johnson, but scouting talent was NOT one of his drawbacks. In the four years he was here, he drafted some amazing talent. Zach Thomas, Jason Taylor, Sam Madison, Patrick Surtain. All four were among the very best at their position during their respective peaks. It was Wannstedt's drafts that were crud.
Steve Young is a mormon..directly related to Brigham Young in fact..and although I can't stand the religion. I'll take a mormon as QB any day if he can play.
Jimmy Johnson is as much to blame as the rest of them. In his 4 years, you named all his great picks (Madison, Taylor, Surtain, Thimas)...but for every good pick there were many poor picks like: Avery, Shannon, Collins, Brew, Pointer, Karim, etc. Also, for him not to address the QB position after Marino's departure is stubborn. Johnson always felt that he could win with a marginal QB.
Start Beck Now!!!
The fear Cameron has in starting Beck is no longer valid. Yes, the season is over, and so is the expectation to win any or all the rest of the games. I personally don't care of they win any games this season, and that’s hard to say coming from a Dolphin fan of over 30 years. Let Beck show was he is made of with no fear of a poor performance. What do we have to loose that we have not lost already (8 times, and 11 in a row)? If he throws 4 interceptions in the first quarter, will the fans start to chant "Lemon, Lemon, Lemon"...? I believe they will give him the chance to learn and mature as an NFL QB. Now if he struggles for all 8 games, then we know we need to draft a QB in the first round. I really don't think that will happen, and I, like a lot of other Dolphin fans, are hoping that this guy is the franchise QB we need to build next years team around.
There is one reason we should not play Beck. What if he is good. At this point we could still go 8-8 which would suck. Let's drop a few more before we put him in there. We are playing for draft picks now.
So.. here is a thought. Why not bite the bullet, bring Ricky back and have him start along with Beck? Having someone of Ricky's pedigree in the backfield would certainly make opposing defenses focus on him and take some pressure off of Beck during his first few starts. I know Chatman did a great job against the Giants, but he does not command the respect that Ricky would. Any thoughts?
Yes, and it's quite lengthy so bear with me. First of all, I don't believe Ricky has been re-instated yet, if he ever will be. Second, Ricky COMMANDED respect, past-tense. Ricky wasn't as good the last time he came back, was decent in Canada, and if my math is correct is about 31-32 and 15-20 lbs lighter. I seriously doubt any other teams are going to game plan around stopping him any differently. Third, Ricky may have been a great player, but he's quit on this team twice already. He's part of the reason the team is in the shape it is. You give up 2 1st rounders for a guy that plays 2.5 non consecutive years. He is a poison. I can't believe they welcomed him back the second time. If I were his teammate I wouldn't want him back no matter how good he USED TO BE. Ricky isn't the answer. It might be helpful to get him SOME playing time, if he were reinstated for trade bait, but given his history and age, he's not likely to reap much at all.
Armando, I too would like to see Beck get playing time. But how can YOU say with such certainty that "now is the time" for Beck to play? How on earth can you know where the guy really is in his development? Perhaps a softer tone would be better, such as "I think" now is the time to play the guy, given the circustances with the team at present.
When the dolphins get the 1st pick in the draft in 08, they should definitely take MATT RYAN. John Beck is unproven and Cleo Lemon isn't good enough to be a starter.
Romo just signed the big contract... It took him 4 years to get the starting job. Harrington, Carr, how many can we name who have bombed when being thrown into the fire too early.
We talk about Cameron's mistakes, but here's something to think about, Romo and Beck are about the same age. It seems Cameron set himself up to play this guy early. If he waits 4 years Beck will be over 30!
The John Beck Era may start against Buffalo after the bye week. However, the 2nd_Coming is upon_us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWDAyHxXB_g
I looked at that link thinking this better have something to do with football. God I'm a sucker. You suck at editing video by the way.
come on Armando new post!! it's been 60 hours since your last post. Tell us about the internal evaluation. Who's conducting it? All I heard was that "lawyers" would be involved. Who are the lawyers? Wayne's lawyers from Akerman? What about football people? Any outside consultants? Shula, Marino, JJ?
There absolutely is a reason Cam will not play Beck until the last one or two games this season. That reason is BRADY QUINN! Cam will not risk his most controversial move since taking over as head coach, which was drafting Ginn vs Quinn, and expose himself to further criticism and possibly losing his job. Too bad for us fans. We wont see Beck for a long while.
Boy! Brady Quinn is tearing it up in Cleveland isn't he?
oscar, what are you talking about? BQ hasn't played at all. That's Dick Anderson that's tearin it up. (Did anyone know he's only 24! Do they really need Brady Quinn??) Anywho, the time is NOW. Don't give Beck and Lemon an equal share of reps to see whose better and...bla bla bla! Give beck 100% of the first team reps, give him the start on Nov. 11, run the ball heavily early on so as to let him calm down before he has to start passing the ball more, and see if he's who we hope or if we need to draft a guy like my homeboy Matt Ryan or Brian Brohm in this year's draft. I certainly hope we don't need to because we've got so many huuuuuge needs.
DT, CB, DE, WR, neither Alabi nor Shelton are guys you want starting at RT so i'll put tackle as a need, and last but not least a SPECIAL TEAMS COACH!!! Since Armsrtong has been there we haven't gotten a signle freegin special teams TD (as in on a kick or punt return). The only time we got one was a few years ago when the punt returner for the opposing team called a fair catch but touched it by accident and somebody took it to the house for our Phins'.
START BECK NOW!! DO NOT WAIT!!! If Cameron does wait, thats more of a reason to say goodbye to him then the dolphins going 0-16.
Brady Quinn, won't be seeing any playing time at all. Cleveland may have found their QB of the future in Derek Anderson. Besides Quinn would've been an awful NFL quarterback. He was a choke artist in college.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWDAyHxXB_g
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you still suck at editing video. the 2nd coming looks like the 2nd coming of shitty after effects artists. Please stop it.
Beck rules, bitch!
Hey fellow frustrated Dolfans;
My take on a tough situation..
Cam is saying the right things; what coach in their right mind would publicly agree with the 'fan base' and give up on a season? He is the leader, not the Public Relations Director. He would lose his team, lose the locker room, and would lose the point of strapping on a helmet for the next 8 Sundays. He must say they are playing to win, and will play the best player available. That is how teams of 22+ guys stay Focused on Performance and don't worry about injuries or what the fans say.
My take; play Lemon to start against Buffalo. Halftime behind?, in goes Beck and never look back. Otherwise, give Cleo a chance to win the game; he has busted his butt and did some positive things for the team...acted with Class when they drafted Beck and brought in Green...this must count for something again, if you want to run a TEAM. If they just remove him for the sake of next year, every player will wonder what is the criteria for starting, how their performance measures up against "next year" goals that might not even be known to them... a poison environment for a team.
That being said, at SOME point in this season, they must give Beck substantial playing time to see if he is the real deal. I am hopeful but.... The QB class of 2008 seems stronger than last year, so there is no reason why they can't find a good one in Round 2 next year. First round: the Fins must go for DT Dorsey, or OL Long...they need the studs as core components. If we all take a deep breath I would say that we can agree that 4-12 is better than 0-16.
WE NEED TO WIN ONE FIRST ARMANDO. ALTHOUGH I AM SURE NOW THAT EITHER WAY CAM WILL SCREW THAT UP. MY MONEY IS ON CAMERON HAVING THE WORST COACHING SEASON IN NFL HISTORY. THANKS CAM FOR THE INFAMY. YOU SUCK CAM.
Cam is just trying to make something happen.
Beck rules my world, bitch!
Armando
We need a new topic to blog on!!! I know you not still recovering from jet lag!!!
If Beck proves to be another draft bust, and the Dolphins end up going 0-16, I'd fire Cam Cameron the following Monday. Tell him to get his stuff out of the office and never come back here again. Cameron has taken a sub .500 team and turned it into the laughingstock of the league, and he's done it by continuing the track record of making horrendous decisions regarding player personnel.
Armando is still in London.
I have been saying this guy Beck would start after the bye- before week 1. Beck, L Booker, T. Ginn all need to start to get the rookie reps in now and get their first season under their belt. Everyone knows that Chatman at RB is a legit #2. Booker needs time with the football now to justify this draft by Mueller and Cameron.
Tommy said...
"Cameron has taken a sub .500 team and turned it into the laughingstock of the league, and he's done it by continuing the track record of making horrendous decisions regarding player personnel."
Yeah..... Everything that's gone wrong with the Dolphins is all Coach Cameron's fault. Sure, you just keep believing that. Honestly, even though he hasn't been here in about three years. I think a guy by the name of Dave Wannstedt may have something to do with the team being as crappy as it is today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2pmrlfVrbY
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OK Armando
" The time for a new blog HAS ARRIVED!!!"
Of course I'd like a new chance to bitch as much as anyone, but, really, what is there to say? What news could there possibly be?
I rule, bitch!
Hmmmmm, yes we passed on Quinn. Must be a reason for that. He was a top prospect, but he is the third string QB. We got Beck in the 2nd round as a third stringer. Beck is going to do well, if CamORON plays him.
Dolphins need to clean the House on the Management. Haven't drafted anyone worth noting for sometime now. Wayne doesn't even have a clue about football.
Need I say more?
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