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Wednesday, November 07, 2007

John Beck won't start this week but ...

The much debated question about when John Beck starts could become something of an afterthought if the rookie doesn't start -- but plays anyway.

The Dolphins are preparing for the contingency Beck could get playing time in small increments before his first start, with the first of those increments coming as early as this Sunday against Buffalo.

Coach Cam Cameron has come under a lot of criticism for not starting Beck, but everyone seems to forget that easing the rookie into a series or two is not out of the question.

Getting Beck into his first game via the back door so to speak could help the rookie in that he won't be anxious an entire week before his first game, knowing he's starting. Letting him come in as a reliever would probably be easier on the kid's nerves.

Also, the Dolphins have pretty much put starter Cleo Lemon on notice that if he doesn't perform to a certain standard, he could be replaced by Beck. So there are three scenarios for Beck playing: One as relief of an ineffective Lemon, two as a change of pace to get some work, three as a garbage time fill-in should either Miami be blowing out of some team (fat chance) or be getting blown out (more likely).

Again, that could happen as early as Sunday against Buffalo.

There is no guarantee it will happen then. But with Beck getting half the snaps with the first team in practices, he is expected to get better and closer to playing with each passing day. And while that might not mean he's ready to be introduced among the rest of the starters Sunday, he just might be ready to see his first NFL action, very, very soon.

One more thought for you to consider. In 1983, Dan Marino started nine games as a rookie. But he played in two games prior to that without starting those games. I'm not saying Beck is another Marino. All I'm saying is easing the kid in might just be the best way to do it.

54 Comments:

Anonymous save_us.x29 said...

Well, it certainly makes a lot more sense to do it that way. I mean, let him have a few snaps in the game. Hand the ball off to Chatman a couple of times, maybe a couple of short passes. That way, he's got some idea of regular season game speed, before he becomes the full time starter. Anyways, his first start will be against the Jets. I just have a feeling about that game. Anyways, Let's Go Beck!!! You got my support.

10:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank the (Mormon?) God that Cam has come to his senses.

The lemonade tastes like cat piss. Give me a Beck's.

10:59 PM  
Anonymous Ken said...

I agree they need to see Beck at some point. But, couldn't it just be Cam sees more upside to Lemon than backup? He has only had a few starts and very few HOF quarterbacks played well their first season starting. Just maybe Cam thinks the jury is still out on Lemon, and now is the time to give him a chance before pulling him before he has a chance to hit stride. We just may have two worthwhile QBacks and not one throw away guy.

11:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've been saying for weeks ... play Beck a little ever chance we get ... and see how it goes. Then take it from there ....

Its only good common sense, which appears to be in short supply. Cam's a fool for not playing Beck a little bit earlier. What happened to Fall Forward Fast psycho-babble!

Everyone needs a look-see. Expecially Beck, he's gotta learn!!!

Go Phins!! Cheers, JerryD

12:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can Cam Cam!

5:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From my point of view (kool-aid tested, milf approved), and I've been saying basically this same thing for weeks now, I don't think Cam really wanted to do much more with Beck than give him those experience, or mop up, snaps in '07. I think he was hoping to get Cleo good exposure this season, then trade him at the end of the year for a quality pick (or 2), and find a competent Backup QB through FA. By the way, that can still happen if that Defense of ours ever starts remembering how to play football. And they hold on to the thing when it's their possession. Right, Cleo? You HATERS need to chill too...

I believe that Cam had to change course midseason because of the 0fer status, and because of the pressure from people like Armando. Take heart, fellow Dolfans. This team is on the right track, and I, for one, can't wait until we really leave the station next year.

Go Cleo! Go Cam!

Go Dolphins!!!
DrumFinFan

5:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By the way, I want to say thank you to Armando too. This is a far better blog topic than most of your fall choices. Well said.

Don't forget to point out the positives to the FANS once in a while. The team is still fighting to win. This year. Maybe if the FANS threw their support behind the team instead of throwing pitchforks, some of the fire that still burns within those players would intensify, and you restless people could get what you want. A WIN!

Go Dolphins!!!
DrumFinFan

6:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can Cam Cam!

6:34 AM  
Blogger mike said...

Thats why everyone who was bitching before just needed to settle down. The kid had 50% of the snaps for 1 week and didn't get the job and people are freaking out. Give the kid a chance to get more snaps for crying out loud.

7:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They keep talking about Beck as if he were a 21 yr old kid.Give me a break the guy is close to 27 years old!!
Vinny

8:14 AM  
Anonymous ukdolfan said...

To Drum Fin fan,

This is not me having a go at you cos I usually agree with your comments but isnt Cleo a UFA at the end of this season so trading him just isn't going to be a possibility and the more we keep playing him he's just advertisimg himself to other teams although I am now more in favour of easing Beck in through playing time, I think Beck plays some against Buffalo although i get the impression that if Cleo falter's slightly then he'll be pulled in favour of Beck.
Go Beck, go fins lets turn this thing round.

8:28 AM  
Blogger j dizzle said...

Drum Fin Fan

Cleo Lemon is a Free Agent after this season Miami won't be able to trade him!

Its funny how everyone keeps saying we need to see what we have in Beck, I PROMISE YOU GUYS , even if Beck fails HORRIBLY we still won't be drafting another QB next year! This is why I feel Cam is in no rush to play him! So if he plays now or the last game of the season it really doesn't matter because Cam has his guy! The only thing that will happen is, we(the fans) will get to see Beck in action and make our own opinion.

Now think about it if he plays well ,Cam is a hero, etc,etc. But if he fails , the fans ,and the media will crucify Cam, and there will be ALOT of pressure come draft day for Cam and Muller to draft another QB and basically send the message that Beck may not be the future!! With SOOOOOOOOO much concern being taken with Beck's "confidence" I PROMISE QB WON'T BE ON OUR DRAFT BROAD in 08! So just be patient cause however Beck plays we'll be stuck with him!

8:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love this guy Vinny who posted about Beck's age.
Too funny!!!!.
I am curious if Vinny's last name is Testaverde and if he is a 40 year old still taking snaps.
;p

8:31 AM  
Anonymous ukdolfan said...

I have to agree with jdizzle, QB wont be on our draft board but I have to wonder if Mcfadden will be, this guy is a beast and may be too good to pass on especially with what AP is doing and if we manage to secure another 1st rounder somehow, by the way it really pisses me off that the pats look like they will haave a top 10 pick in the 1st with the 49er's 1st rounder they acquired, the rich get richer, I guess this is why they are still the among the best in the NFL, I pray for the day when we will be there too.

8:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Beck rules, bitch!

9:01 AM  
Anonymous Patrick said...

Don Shula drafted a QB in every draft. Not necessarily a high pick but always one QB. There were some pretty good ones out of that group. Damon Huard, Scott Mitchell, Jim Jensen (yes at QB), David Woodley, Don Strock, etc...

It's a QB league. Buffalo had Losman but drafted Edwards. All I'm saying is don't automatically think the Dolphins won't draft a QB. If NE didn't spend a 6th rounder on Brady when they had Bledsoe NE would be nothing today. And if you have the number one pick and the QB is the value player and you can't get the right trade, you pick him... Don't be surprised if this happens.

How about this; Cleo goes FA, Green returns as Beck's back up and a rookie is number 3.

9:01 AM  
Anonymous ukdolfan said...

Thats a good thought Patrick but I don't see Green being happy as a backup, I wouldn't be surprised or dissapointed to see Green as a QB coach here or some kind of assistant to Cameron

9:10 AM  
Blogger j dizzle said...

Patrick good point I agree , that even though we think Beck is the future one of next years draft picks should be another QB. But looking at the decisions made in the past by Mr.Muller I don't see him doing the logical thing! I hope he is planning on getting those two first round picks from the Cowboys! Jerry Jones has WAAAAAAAAAAY too much man love for Mcfadden!!

This is off topic but what happened to L.Booker ?? Armando will we get to see him this weekend??

9:34 AM  
Blogger Kevin said...

I'll be the first to say it: Beck will be a bust!
There...got it off my chest.
Why do I think he will not blossom into a Brady or Manning, because I've seen enough football in my life to know that impact players make an impact quickly.
We don't need a middle of the road QB, we need a superstar to save this franchaise. Beck is no superstar.
So when we go 6-10 next year, then 7-8 the following year with Beck please look back on this post and say, wow...that dude was right!

9:38 AM  
Blogger mike said...

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10:04 AM  
Blogger mike said...

well Kevin, even Brady didn't get a chance to play until Drew Bledsoe got hurt and Tony Romo had to wait quite a while to make an impact(oddly enough behind Bledsoe)...So you might want to rethink your football intelligence.

10:05 AM  
Blogger mike said...

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10:09 AM  
Blogger mike said...

Oh ya Kevin, don't forget Drew Bree's either. The Chargers were all ready to forget about him when he busted out. Peyton Manning Didn't do so hot his first year either. His stats were good but he threw more ints than TD's, actually 28 ints and the Colts went 3-13. Was that a big impact? A rookie that makes a big impact off the bat isn't neccesarily rare, but its not extremely common either. Adrian Peterson is a rookie making a big impact off the bat..and thats like the story of the year.

10:14 AM  
Blogger Marc said...

Kevin, I have to disagree. I have no doubt in my mind that neither Beck, nor Ginn are busts. I believe Ginn will probably become better than Beck, and I don't think Beck will ever be an upper echelon QB, but how many are there nowadays anyway? I think Beck will be good, but the same way Cam has waited to get Ginn involved (Week 7, first TD? I was screaming the throw him in the slot from week 1!), the fact he stuck with Green, the fact he wasn't sold on Brown, etc he'll wait to get Beck involved. Douche

10:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ukdolfan,

Yes, you're right. That early morning thinking sometimes does me in. ;-)

With this being the case about him being a UFA, then maybe Cam wants to give him some extended playing time to see if they want to resign him. Maybe he saw the same thing that I did at the end of the Giants game. Cleo is becoming more confident, and that will help him improve.

I fully believe there is either a coaching, or personnel, reason for why he is still starting over Beck, but I do agree that if he struggles at all, we will see John Beck against the Bills.

Me personally, I don't want him to get the job that way. I'd rather see Beck earn the job because he knows the system, and has proven he is the better QB.

Have a good one.

Go Cleo!

Go Dolphins!!!

10:33 AM  
Blogger Marc said...

Well, it's a good thing that the game prob won't sell out and I won't be forced to watch Ray Lucas, the 2nd-coming of Frerrote, Fiedler, Feeley, Harrington, fumble and throw picks like it's nobody's business. I'd rather wipe my ass with sandpaper than sit through that again!

10:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok, let's be realistic. If the kid is not starting maybe he is not good enough. Let's move on: Who should be our 1st round pick next year???

1. Matt Ryan
2. Brian Brohm
3. Andre Woodson

Armando, we need your help to find out who could be the best match.

Arturo

10:53 AM  
Blogger mike said...

People like you are the problem Arturo. The guy has only been sharing snaps with the first team offense for 1 week. Calm yourself down.

11:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would just like to point out that in his first year with the 49ers a guy named Joe Montana made little to no impact. He would come in and play a series or two,only threw 25 to 30 passes that year and only came in at the end of games when they were behind by too much or winning. He turned out to be pretty succesful. I'm not comparing Beck to Montana in any way,I'm just comparing the way Walsh worked Montana into the starting role with the way Cam is with Beck. Very similar so stop freaking out people. Also JDizzle nice posts today.

12:34 PM  
Blogger Marc said...

Just found some interesting notes in another article....

Miami is also the seventh-most penalized team in the league in terms of yardage, is 32nd in third-down defense, and a minus-eight in turnover ratio.
"I've got to do a better job of making sure we eliminate mistakes, not turning the ball over, all the key things that determine whether you win or lose," Cameron said.

SEEMS LIKE POOR COACHING TO ME

Miami rookie WR Ted Ginn Jr., his former teammate at Ohio State and the Dolphins' No. pick. Ginn has seven catches for 141 yards and one TD and ranks fourth in the NFL in kickoff return yardage.

NOT TOO SHABBY

12:48 PM  
Blogger brian said...

"Kevin said...
I'll be the first to say it: Beck will be a bust!
There...got it off my chest.
Why do I think he will not blossom into a Brady or Manning, because I've seen enough football in my life to know that impact players make an impact quickly.
We don't need a middle of the road QB, we need a superstar to save this franchaise. Beck is no superstar.
So when we go 6-10 next year, then 7-8 the following year with Beck please look back on this post and say, wow...that dude was right!"

We had THE "Superstar" and he couldnt get it done why..because you win Championships running and stopping the run..PERIOD!

EVERY Dynasty had AWESOME O and D line's,decent QB's,good WR's/TE's and decent RB's.

Baltimore won with a HOF QB?...NOOOOOOOOOO..just a mediocre AT BEST but with AWESOME Lines and a decent to good supporting cast.

Lines make everyone else look like HOFr's..just look at the Phil Simms led Giants or the McMahon led Bears..Beck doesnt need to be a "Superstar"..he just needs to be decent to good and have a supporting staff...Miami would be 6-2 AT LEAST had the D NOT fallen on its face this year so your post is SOOOO off base it isnt even funny!

12:51 PM  
Blogger eaglelion said...

The reason Ginn is 4th in KO return yardage is because the Dolphins are giving up so many scores. That is why they don't list total KO yardage because the relevant stat is yds/KO. Ginn has improved as the season has gone on but he is still not in the top 10 in the AFC. Hopefully by the end of the year especially if he breaks one (with no penalties)

1:40 PM  
Anonymous Neerav said...

Marc,

The reason Ginn is 4th in return yards is that the Dolphins give up so many points, he has that many more opportunities.

Ginn is 16th in return yard avg. Not exactly tearing it up. He's not even top among rookies (Yamon Figurs).

Cam Cameron and Randy Mueller are flat out awful. Why trade for Trent Green? Why give Joey Porter $20 M guaranteed? Why draft an injured kick returner in Ted Ginn? Why release Fred Evans but keep Joey Porter?

This front office and coaching staff is the worst in the league. There was a reason Randy Mueller was on ESPN and not in a high profile job. I agree he is better than Rick Speilman, but that doesn't say much.

If Miami wants to be relevant, bring in Don Shula as VP of Operations, hire Scott Pioli's right hand man as GM, and Bill Parcells as coach.

1:46 PM  
Blogger Marc said...

OK, well, I'll tell you what, all of you who claim that Ginn is/will be a bust sign here. In 2 years we'll revisit this list....How's that sound?

3:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Neerav,

You're a real idiot. See the posts on yesterday's blog about WHY Mueller is not an idiot.

Bring back Don Shula you say? As much as he is my hero, what exactly do you think an 80 year old man more than a decade removed from the game will bring other than a respected name? Hell maybe you expect the other teams to spot us a touchdown if he comes back to the team.

Hire Scott Pioli's right hand man? Who do you think he is, and what do you know about him? Please, enlighten us.

Bring back Bill Parcells? Another burned out old coach with a Saban-sized ego who never won anything without Bellicheck anyway. Yep, you learned your lessons from the JJ days and un-motivated coaches.

Do us all a favor and stop wasting bandwidth.

Matt in NC

3:53 PM  
Anonymous Neerav said...

Matt in NC,

Lets me answer your questions.

1) What will an 80 year old man do?

- See what Marv Levy has done to bring the Bills to .500. And by the way, Shula is 77. Levy is 82.

2) Lets see about Pioli's right hand man. He has learned how to build a winning franchise from Pioli in the new NFL. I don't know who he is, but he's learned from the best.

3) Parcells has won everywhere. Why not hire him. Its definitely an improvement from Cam Cameron.

I've been a fins fan since I was 7 years old, and I watch every game. I'll continue to support the team even though the bonehead front office can't get anything right.

5:40 PM  
Anonymous jed said...

For starters, many of you "diehard" Dolfans need to take some reality pills -- everything the Dolphins do is not always right! Time to question your allegiances -- this bunch of Dolphin leadership are laughingstocks and have little in common with the Shula era which made us all love the team.

That said, then whats needed is to bring back high quality coaching and leadership as close as possible to what we had under Shula -- fire Cam already!

As for Beck, until the guy proves he is the man for the job the Dolphins would be very wise to choose another QB in the draft, and with a high pick, too. QB is the most important position by far. And even if Beck proves he is good at some point, which I am skeptical of, he seems like a lightweight/ lacks the toughness needed, it would be good to have another QB on hand in case of injury and to provide Cam's so-called "competition."

6:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Marc,

There will be more penalties at this time because, at least it's true of the Offense, they are still learning. Did you not ever make any mistakes when you were learning your job?

Go Cam! Go Dolphins!!!
The Teacher

6:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Neerav,

You make good points, but I'm going to have to disagree.

Wanting to bring back retread coaches, and yet another unknown to this team, in Pioli's assistant? Unnecessary, and surely not in the best interest of the Dolphins already tarnished image.

Your boy may be good, or he may suk. Nobody knows. Not even you.

You are welcome to your opinion, but yet another change so soon will only make things worse for the players, and will extend the losing by quite a while. Let them finish putting their team together before you write these guys off. You are way too impatient, and expect perfection a little too soon.

Go Cam!

Go Dolphins!!!
DrumFinFan

6:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And no, I am not saying that I'm satisfied wtih losing. I hate it. It makes me sick. We just happen to see different views of things.

Go Dolphins!!!
DrumFinFan

6:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Drumfinfan -- you're an idiot

7:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And you're a gutless coward.

HATER

Go Dolphins!!!
DrumFinFan

7:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CAM AND RANDY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. IT'S SMART TO BRING BECK ALONG THIS WAY, THAT WAY HE KNOWS WHAT TO EXPECT WHEN HE FINALLY GETS HIS FIRST FULL START. CAM AND RANDY ROCK!!! THEY'RE AWESOME!!! BRYAN IN OHIO.

1:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can Cam Cam!, Can Cam Cam!, Can Cam Cam!, Can Cam Cam, Can Cam Cam!

6:20 AM  
Anonymous KRL said...

Relax folks, Beck will get some meaningful playing time in. He will also look good, look bad and look worse but I think he will work out eventually.

I do advocate drafting a QB as someone mentioned earlier, depending on who is available in the later rounds.

Here's to our team!

7:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cam won't play Beck because he's figured out Beck doe not have to play the NFL. He is a bust at this level & this xwill effectively end Camerons' career as a Head coach in the NFL. Simply put Cam is protecting his job for as long as he can. the obvious truth is Beck is no Marino, should have picked Qwinn but instead went with Booker, Beck & Ginn, alllosers. the one good pick they made cost us Wes Welker & just wasn't worth it.

Demote Cam to OC, fire Capers & replace them with Green at HC & Zach Thomas at DC until the end ofthe seasonclean house at the end of the season, Meanwhile boycott Dolphin games until changes are made.

7:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fire all these cowardly,deceiving, self-interested bums. They are destroying the club.
Dont paly Beck. Cam knows QB's & knows he's a mistake. He'll never be the Franchise QB promised. Beck is as big a bust as Booker.
Huizeng needs to take the reigns.
no more fish. hope the Bills eat them alive.

7:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Finally, people are starting to come around:

"All I'm saying is easing the kid in might just be the best way to do it."

There is no easy way, no magic bullet, no close-your-eyes-and-it-goes-away option.

The Dolphins will have to work their way out of this. The good thing is, the most difficult task, the OL, seems to have been moved well along in 8 weeks.

The task that was thought to have been easy, rejuvenation of the D, seems to have been the biggest unexpected event. They knew they had to rejuvenate, bring in fresh blood, but someone got caught napping with the D - and I think that it was exasperatec as they made changes to the existing system, putting people into situations they couldn't do well witn. Let's see if the D has a new - or possibly old - wrinkle.

Finally, special teams has been pretty bad. If the other two pillars had been working well, no one would be terribly upset, it would be considered a work-in-progress, something that we could live with while it got fixed because the other two were working. But that wasn't the case.

The O will continue to improve for over the rest of the year. The D will also begin to improve in that time period. But. will special teams get better? How can it not get better? Not getting worse would be an improvement, or?

Finally, how many games will the Fins win? Who cares. Of course, if they win only one game, I would be happy. Their last game of the season would be enough. Of course, while winning the second-to-last game would be fiction, if they get on track, the can get back to becoming a member of the "On any Sunday..." league.

8:26 AM  
Blogger Ron in Charlotte said...

HEY, All of you screaming Shula...Can anyone name the year Don Shula last won a Super Bowl?

I wasn't even alive.

Let's see, can anyone tell me the last time Shula drafted a truly good running back?

I truly hold Shula as my hero, but he definitely didn't do us many favors. Marino willed this team above middle mediocrity.

And you can't know about Beck yet. The fact is that Beck makes more NFL-type throws in his college highlight reel than anyone else on that board. And he is SMART. Jaws really drooled all over him during talking head time late in the first round of the draft. Many teams had ranked first n QB's but there wasn't a big need for QB's high in the draft this year.

You guys keep forgetting that defense is killing us, but improving.

10:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I AGREE! BECK IS AWESOME, MUCH BETTER THAN SUCKY BRADY QUINN! CAM AND RANDY ROCK!!! COWHER AND PARCELLS BOTH SUCK! BRYAN IN OHIO

10:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WE WLL CONTINUE TO LOSE AS LONG AS MUELLER IS HERE...HIRE BILL PARCELLS AS THE G.M. IF THE NFL CLEARS RICKY WILLIAMS, TAKE HIM BACK TODAY AND GIVE FINS SOMETHING FOR THE MONEY. TRADE ZACK AND J.T. FOR DRAFT PICKS, ONLY IF WE GET A REAL FOOTBALL MAN IN TO DO THE DRAFT.....

11:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's amazing how you losers call Beck a bust when he has not even played a down in a real game. How stupid is that?!?! Wait and see what you do before you throw in the towel. Just goes to show the mentality of some of the fans. Losers!

12:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cum Cameron better start him soon! or I will start rooting for the opponent.

3:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Beck is a bust. Fire Cameron. Sell the Franchise. Boycott the fish. I hope Buffalo puts the dolphins out of their misery Sunday. Fire Cameron.

2:01 PM  

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