Please say no to Marty
There is a lot of speculation out there that the Dolphins might be interested in Marty Schottenheimer if he gets axed by the Chargers in the next couple of days.
The thinking is that Schottenheimer is a solid coach who has straightened out teams in Kansas City, Cleveland and San Diego. Once upon a time, there was talking within the Dolphins that if Don Shula could name his replacement it would have been Marty Schottenheimer because Shula has the utmost respect for the guy.
But I say if Miami seriously considers this, it's ridiculous.
Without taking into account how uncomfortable it would be to consider both Marty and Brian, his son who is a finalist already, there is a more compelling reason why the elder Schottenheimer is not a good fit.
Schottenheimer is the coach with the most NFL regular-season victories that has failed to win any championships. Why waste your time on a guy who has proven unable to win the big game despite having the best team -- as he did this year in San Diego?
I say pass on Marty. What do you think?
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The thinking is that Schottenheimer is a solid coach who has straightened out teams in Kansas City, Cleveland and San Diego. Once upon a time, there was talking within the Dolphins that if Don Shula could name his replacement it would have been Marty Schottenheimer because Shula has the utmost respect for the guy.
But I say if Miami seriously considers this, it's ridiculous.
Without taking into account how uncomfortable it would be to consider both Marty and Brian, his son who is a finalist already, there is a more compelling reason why the elder Schottenheimer is not a good fit.
Schottenheimer is the coach with the most NFL regular-season victories that has failed to win any championships. Why waste your time on a guy who has proven unable to win the big game despite having the best team -- as he did this year in San Diego?
I say pass on Marty. What do you think?
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posted by Armando Salguero at 12:02 PM
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Amen, Armando. No to Marty!!
But YES to his boy.
Welcome back to common sense and good judgement, Mando ... ;)
Armando... I cannot agree more. I grew up in Cleveland and shared season tickets with my cousin during the Schottenheimer era. When you needed to take that extra step, Marty went conservative. He did that in both double overtime losses to Denver in the playoffs. Do not get me wrong, but if you want a team that is going to get you just to thr playoffs, he's the man to do it. Marty and the SB, that is a pipe dream.
Marty's conservatism is my only worry in Brian. Traits like these are normally past on from father and son. It is a hard habit to break, but Brian is young enough to give the chance. If the conservative part starts showing when we need to take or make the gamble, Wayne and the other management should be able to bring it to his attention and fix the issue.
Bringing in someone whose never been headcoach allows you to mold him into what you want, as in training our new drafts. Support in the upper management will be the key to the main outlook of the Dolphins next year. So they need to be patient and choose wisely, and know who they pick is a team player, not a man on his own mission.
Agree. Marty had the best team in the NFL and found a way to lose to the Pats despite outplaying them statistically. This is his albatross to bear: He cannot win the big games.
Part of the blame goes to Cam Cameron, too, because this year Marty let his OC and DC make their own calls. Cam abandoned the run in the second half, panicked when the game got close, and put all the pressure on first-year QB Rivers to win the game. Dumb move. When you have L.T. in the backfield, hand him the ball and he will find a way to break it for a big gain.
Based on this game, I would not support either Marty or Cam as the next head coach.
And please, no Chan retread. He was run out of Dallas on the nearest rail.
Dude...
How would you feel if Wayne would allow Shula and Marino to team up as GM?
Armando, your thoughts on this too.
Schottenheimer is not the answer - glad they did not get Carrol either - never could get past that "choke" picture....
Too bad no one thought to bring back Bates - he did a terrific coaching job given the talent on the field and the post Wanny mess.
Marty (as good of a coach as he is) would bring a can't get it done attitude to a tired team. we need a youg agressive coach.
I am a Cam fan. Last nights game was an dispaly of offensive distinction. Despite the missed opportunities, the chargers were set with successful optons. Obviously, some plays did not convert. However, there were a great mix of run and pass, and the patriots were on their heals the entire game.
Uncharacterist dropped balls, fumbles, the flag and one more play before the field goal were the seal of the loss. It has been a longtime since I have watched a Dolphins loss and felt they should have won, after a winning season.
It has been a long time since I have seen a seasoned and designed offensive game plan that challenged a touted defense the entire game. The Chargers schematic banged the ball, ran you up the field, underneath and wide with rush and pass. You knew when a player missed or fell short on a play versus the dolphins confusing play calling and lack of confidence at the line of scrimmage.
Unlike the Dolphins, the Charger shortfall last night did not insert a lack of player understanding or questioning if this was truly an NFL team excited about playing football.
Going back to Cam as the HC. We need the foresight to put Ronnie Brown and recievers in a football space for success. This type of play design has lacked over the years. YES, The defense has a temporary footprint, but age is soon to take a toll. It is imperative that an offensive approach is established to generate a similar Chargers offensive firepower or we will continue to experience inconsistent and loosing seasons. We have to score points.
I am confident, when the core of leadership and overall firepower rises. Cam Cameron is our guy. He has a growing NFL legacy with quarterbacks Gus Frerrote, Trent Green, Randle El (IU), Drew Brees, and Grooming Phillip Rivers.
THE IU RANDLE EL FACTOR; Note: that after much encouragement from agents, Randle El was looking to enter the draft after his junior year. He asked Cam to move him from quarterback to wide recever his senior year. They agreed and he stayed for his senior season. There was o question that a bowl and winning season was in play with his continued play at quarterback. As his senior year wore on, it was evident that he needed to play quarterback. He switched and reeled off the next 5 of 7 games to finish 5-6. Cam understands players and looks out for the team and everyones interest. Cam was let go after that year, but IU lost more because the recruiting base which had been attracted and committed to Cam's scheme left for greener pastures. IU is a tough school for football recruiting and have had limited fotball success. It has not turned the corner since. He knows talent. Cam is our guy. SCHOTT is too young! MORA is one and done! CHAN is not our guy!
ESPN states that Schott Sr has 6 consecutive losses in the playoffs. Do the math, Schottenheimer takes good teams into the playofss and then into the ground.
I say interview Cameron again. If he could not use his better offense to beat the Patriots he might not be the guy to work in Miami.
Leave Mora, Gailey, and othere has-beens alone. Get a young coordinator that wants to take a team to the next level.
Have your protege Jeff answer some of our questions, I'm tired of looking at that Popechop question about Saban maybe going to Bama.
Anonymous,
Are we a consensus Hire Cam?
Agreed Aramndo, the elder Shotty, any Shotty for that matter, is not the best fit for us. I think We should give Jim Mora a shot. I'm weary of one of these so called "hot" assistants. Jim Mora had one rough year, he's a solid coach I feel the players would respect.
Morqa had 2 rough year. I am not sure he has a proven scheme to hold a future.
His name went off the radar, but the bottom line is Martz is the smartest coach out there. If he says Culpepper isnt smart enough to read defenses either replace him or go with a spread offense (making Ds easier to read).
OK, I like Marty. If we are using your logic, then I suppose Dungy would be in the near same category? What about Cowher for all those years?....his team finally did it as a wildcard (with Big Ben). And isn't it funny that when a team does reach the superbowl, the credit often goes to the "gutsy" performance of this player or that player. We seem to flip flop on who gets the credit at times.
Right, so some of this is playing devil's advocate, but the guy makes teams solid. Can't he expect an exceptional player to carry them to the Superbowl? Isn't that what Brady has done (to a small degree at times) for Belichick?
Right, I'll take Marty going into the playoffs with psychologist, Bill Walsh and Shula(as paid advisors) by his side. Add mandatory 4 leaf
clover necklaces for all the players, and you've got a Dolphins 35 Chicago 10 Superbowl victory.
I couldn't agree more about the elder Schottenheimer. He's a proven loser.
Yesterday's disaster in SD against the Pats should cool anyone's enthusiasm about Cameron. His play calling was terrible....
How many 352 yard games did the dolphins have the last 2 seasons? I guess that is calling a bad game. The patriot were on their heals the whole game. Mistakes and drops lost this one.
Guys we haven't been to the playoffs in over 5 years. If Schottenheimer can at least get us to the playoffs, I'll take it at this point. He's a good coach. I'd take him over Cameron b/c Schott's got a proven track record of winning.
Don't forget Schottenheimer loved Lemon and was mad when A.J. Smith traded him away w/o Schott's approval. He wouldn't be tied to C-Pep so he would have no qualms w/ dropping Pep if he can't regain his Pro Bowl form.
Bloodlust, I think a scenario of Shula and Marino being co-GMs is very unlikely. Advisors to the team maybe. But not GMs.
Oh and did I mention? NO MARTY BALL IN MIAMI PLEASE!!!!!
Definately no to Marty. I also think his boy is a few years away and not ready either. Let's focus on the canidates that are young, energetic, have vision, and are ready to take the step to lead this team not only now but down the road as well.
By the way, do you think they'll pursue Cam now that the Chargers have been eliminated?
I was glad to hear they are still seriously considering Mora Jr.
Props to you Armando for the blog. I check it at least once a day and more often when there are bigger things going on with the Fins. Keep up the good work. I always appreciate your views, though I don't always agree with them. I also really enjoy the insider knowledge and speculation.
Get Real Dolphins Fans! You haven't been to the playoff since Y2K! And you want to throw insults a coach who builds at least a contender. You don't want to take a proven coach whose teams have had regular season success but sometimes his teams fail in the playoffs. News Flash! Only one coach, one team wins the superbowl every year and sometimes great coached teams lose. That's the way the ball bounces! You want to take a so-called "up and coming coach" aka young , unproven and charismatic assistant coach who hasn't won anything on the professional level. Didn't we just have the so called Jesus Christ of college football Nick Saban? Who guided us to a 15-17 record in two years.
I'll take a proven regular season NFL level Head coach Marty S. Andy R. or T.Dungy anyday over any of the coaches we are suppose to be interviewing. Nuts!!
When it comes to Marty- Just say no. Period. He's too old. He's unproven past the regular season (Like Peyton Manning) and there are better choices. Dom Capers and Jim Mora are my top 2. Chan Gailey would be a welcome addition as an offensive coordinator, but the prospect of him as head coach doesn't excite me. He did get good production out of Lamar Smith and we got to the playoffs. That's a good sign. I hope Houck stays around to re-tool the O-line. We'll need it to protect the immobile and time un-conscious Cullpepper and make way for Ronnie.
Sorry Marty
I do not think Marty would be the worst hire, I like him better than Gailey who did not do much with the Cowboys. Marty has always lead good teams, who would be complaining if the Dolphins had a first round bye in the playoffs? Wouldn't it be a good problem to have that you feel like your coach can get you 12 or 13 wins a year but can't win it all? That is when you bring in someone else like the Bucs did with Gruden.
That being said, I think Mora is a good canidate. He seems willing to work with Capers, the most important thing in a HC canidate right now I think, and he was definitely a CEO type in Altanta but only over the on field stuff, and I think it is important to have a seperate GM. Keep Randy Mueller, he has done a fine job here and in past stops.
By the way, I think Marino & Shula as co-GMs is a bad idea. What got Shula fired was the personnel side in the early 90s and Marino has never been in that capacity before. The GM needs to be willing to work 80 hour weeks and why would either Shula or Marino do that. I love them both, but I think their priorities lie elsewhere.
Armando, apparently you have no football mind. Schottenheimer would be the PERFECT fit in Miami because he is a winner. Name me one other coach in the last 30 years who has been able to win in Cleveland. You can't. And yet he was unable to win the big game because he had to go against MVP quarterbacks such as Elway and Brady. You can't fault him for losing the game this season. A coach does not lose the game. The game is lost because of lack of execution. It's people like you that are heard by the front office influencing their decisions but the fact is that if Chan Gailey is your pick then you are OUT OF YOUR MIND!!! He is a loser. He can't even win in college. As offensive coordinator in Miami, he couldn't win so what makes you think he could win as head coach. Everyone calls him an offensive genius...that's crazy!!! The Dolphins didn't rank among the offensive leaders under Gailey. I would easily choose Mora over Gailey but he wouldn't be my choice either. We need a proven leader with discipline and Schottenheimer is the man. I say make one last pitch for Carroll and if he won't come then hire Schottenheimer. Remember, he pretty much was using a rookie quarterback this season and it just so happens that he had to go against the best big game quarterback in NFL history. So, of course, he lost.
Armando, Regarding this blog.
You're a hardworking guy. I know this because I used to send you emails from California back in 99 and you would reply to them with more than just one liners.
But, if you want to get more traffic to this blog, I think you've got to post allot more content to give people reasons to come here. As you know there are plenty of dolphin lovers and haters out there that can't get enough of it(24-7-365)
I think we should hire Marty. He's obviously a good coach. So, he hasn't won the big one. Either have the Dolphins in over 30 years. The two need each other. In fact, the fact that he hasn't won the big one says to me he's still hungry to prove himself. That's what we need. Not a guy like JJ or Saban, who felt coming in they were already two notches above God.
Not to be all doom and gloom, but I don't really like any of these coaches left. I still would like to go Offense, with Petrino and Wisenhunt gone, the only guy left that I still like is Cameron. But it sounds like he isn't really in the mix anymore. Mora Jr. is okay (But he's defense). Gailey is awful in my opinion. Schotty is probably a better option than Gailey, but I wouldn't be that excited over him. Do you feel that any of these 3 guys will be an upgrade over Saban or Jimmy johnson? I know they both made their mistakes, and its questionable how much they wanted to be here, but as far as pure coaching ability, I don't see any of these candidates as an upgrade. Tomlin might be a guy worth taking a chance on. He brings about many unanswered questions, but I don't feel we can be successful under Gailey. My vote is still for Cameron, although it looks like he is a long shot. I dont blame Cameron or Schotty for the Chargers loss. They made a few mistakes, but the head-butt by Florence, the muffed punt by Parker, and the fumbled INT by McCree handed the game away. The game plan was pretty good (especially defensively), they had the Pats on the ropes, but their players gave it away. I know discipline can be a reflection of the coach, but I think that holds truer in high school or college than in the pros. These players should be held accountable like grown men. That was a big problem with our team last year, and a coaching change isn't going to fix it. The coaches need to put the players in the right places, but then it is up to them to not drop passes or INTs or fumble or miss blocks or jump offsides/false start. Even more reason that it is essential that we get a great personnel guy. Hopefully the new GM can weed out any of the players that don't have the mental toughness to succeed.
This is a bad offseason to be looking for a coach. Armando, do you think any of these discussed candidates are an upgrade over the previous regimes? and is there any chance that Parcells would leave Dallas and come here? What about luring Cowher away? He certainly looks like the best option now? Just wishful thinking. I can't believe I'm even going this low, but what's going on with Jim Fassel? I'm a little surprised we haven't explored him as an option. I don't know what's more depressing, the weather up here or the list of coaching candidates. I know many of the posters have been hard on Armando about being religious, but at this point I think all we can do is pray that we hire the right guy (if there is one).
Cam Cameron gave LT 18 rushes in the first half and 8 in the second half. When Mularkey does that he gets ripped apart. I'm not saying he's not a good coach, I'm simply asking for some consistency here folks.
Can't win the big one? When Shula came from Baltimore to Miami the Colts had just lost the SB to the Jets and Namath and he didn't suck too bad, huh?
Would it be so bad to go to the playoffs every year and miss th SB by a missed field goal and have that to complain about instead of how come we can't field a team that can at least get us to the playoffs?
I'm not pushing for Marty but Brian took his name out of the mix and if you read up on Brian they have to rein him in because he has a tendancy to push the envelope instead of the conservative approach his dad has.
Mora at least likes to combine power and spread and he has coached a QB that can't read defenses so it wouldn't be new to him which is good because all 3 of our QBs this past season couldn't open the book let alone read from it.
I look for Cameron to be th next HC in SD when Marty packs to leave. LT and Rivers love him and so do management. SD might get rid of Marty just to keep Cam.
I feel uncertain about what would happen with Mora but Marty way before Chan. You can't lose the "big one" if you don't at least make it far enough to play in it
Well, it looks like we are down to Mora and Gailey. Not much to say anymore other than hope which ever one is picked does what is expected of him here.
I stated earlier in the season that it was slim pickings on headcoaches. It has shown to be true.
Hank, I understand in syaing that; why would it be so bad to have someone to get us into the playoffs and not make the SB every year. Then none of us should have complained about Saban or previous coaches. The idea is to win the SB, not known for choking when it comes to the big game, or there to take up space.
Elway and Denver had to listen to remarks about not being able to win the SB. I personally, see it as we are here playing, where were you. It is still being known as not good enough to be a true winner. I am tired of the reputation we have acquired over the last years, and would like some redemption.
Who we get, is who we get. Just hope we are not laughed out of the NFL for another screw up.
Chan Gailey is going to be the next head coach of the Miami Dolphins.
Here's why:
1) His philosophy on offense is conducive to the talent the team has.
2) His experiences and reputation would have the respect of veteran coaches such as Dom Capers and Hudson Houck.
3) Bryan Wiedmeier is rumored to be a fan of his work.
4) His previous stint in Miami makes him a known commodity to the staff, admin, many players, etc.
5) He has extensive NFL experience and is now well-versed on college talent.
6) Bill Cowher gave him an endorsement prior to his interview with the Steelers.
7) He did a pretty good job as Dolphins OC with limited talent. The team's last playoff win was delivered by his offense.
8) He got a second interview with the Dolphins.
Do you think we would consider Dan Henning (former OC of Carolina) as a late entry? He was recently fired. He is a conservative coach but I have always like him. He also has previous head coaching experience.
Well I must admit that I am very disaappointed in the results of the direction the front office has been led to. I think Carrol was their first choice and realized they had no chance of lurring him away from USC. Mr H. said the dolphins were gonna win no matter what it takes. Is Mora Jr. and Gailey the best you can do? I live in Georgia and Georgia Tech fans are begging the Dolphins to take Gailey. They haven't been that excited about the job he has done with Jackets. He had one of the most exciting players in college football in Johnson and at times he couldn't get the ball to him, look at the Clemson game when Johnson had 0 catches. Look what happened to Clemson against Kentuky when the Tigers couldn't stop the Wildcats passing attack. Mora Jr. did a pretty good job with Atlanta but never showed he was gonna take Atlanta to the next level. He was never able to keep the Falcons focused and lacked discipline to win the big games. You don't talk about coaching somewhere else when your job is on the line. I think all eyes are on San Diego. I wouldn't be shocked if Marty endes up staying but it if they fire him, my bet will be he will be the next coach of the Dolphins. If you had to chose between the three and who has had the most success in the Nfl, Marty by far has the best resume. Let's say if it is only for 2 or 3 years and he leaves the Dolphins with a 14-3 record would anyone of you complain. I don't think so.
Mora is gone, it is Chan by default. Unless the Dolphins want to wait for the shakeout in San Diego and for Chicago to finish the season.
How far will the Dolphins have sunk if they became content to settle on a one-and-done playoff coach while every other team remembers this league is about winning the Super Bowl? If just getting there is enough to make people happy, why not just bring back Jimmy Johnson? His 2-3 playoff record with the Dolphins is better than the career 5-13 posted by Marty. A couple of the Dolphins' best playoff moments came with Marty on the other sideline. Let's find a coach that will keep it that way.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/chargers/20070117-1401-bn17marty.html
Martyball stays in San Diego.
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