QB in the second round make you feel better?
So I asked John Beck straight out: Do you think you're better than Brady Quinn?
"I'm not going to get into that," he said just a few minutes ago. "As a quarterback you want to be confident but a comparison right now is something I don't want to get into."
Sorry.
I'm afraid that for the next few years the names John Beck and Brady Quinn will be tied in the minds of Dolphins fans as inexorably as Drew Brees and Daunte Culpepper were last year, as surely as Larry Shannon and Randy Moss were years ago in a similar situation.
The fact is the Dolphins made their choice Saturday and, God bless them, I hope it works. The team obviously thought Ted Ginn Jr. will be a better player than Brady Quinn and that's the direction it went in the first round.
But, knowing that quarterbacks would be around in the second round, the Dolphins also made the calculated decision that having Ginn and Beck would be better than having Quinn and some other receiver.
So why not compare the careers of Ginn and Quinn? Well, those parallels will surely be drawn, too. But the fact is the Dolphins had a plan today of getting the QB in the second round instead of in the first -- a plan that surprised everyone except the Dolphins.
And so we will see if that decision -- the decision to take Beck later and not Quinn earlier -- will pan out.
By the way, this is not a situation that we'll have to wait three or four years to unfold. By next season, we will see if Miami's moves today were wise. By then, Beck should be the starting QB in Miami as Quinn should be in Cleveland.
We'll see.
"I'm not going to get into that," he said just a few minutes ago. "As a quarterback you want to be confident but a comparison right now is something I don't want to get into."
Sorry.
I'm afraid that for the next few years the names John Beck and Brady Quinn will be tied in the minds of Dolphins fans as inexorably as Drew Brees and Daunte Culpepper were last year, as surely as Larry Shannon and Randy Moss were years ago in a similar situation.
The fact is the Dolphins made their choice Saturday and, God bless them, I hope it works. The team obviously thought Ted Ginn Jr. will be a better player than Brady Quinn and that's the direction it went in the first round.
But, knowing that quarterbacks would be around in the second round, the Dolphins also made the calculated decision that having Ginn and Beck would be better than having Quinn and some other receiver.
So why not compare the careers of Ginn and Quinn? Well, those parallels will surely be drawn, too. But the fact is the Dolphins had a plan today of getting the QB in the second round instead of in the first -- a plan that surprised everyone except the Dolphins.
And so we will see if that decision -- the decision to take Beck later and not Quinn earlier -- will pan out.
By the way, this is not a situation that we'll have to wait three or four years to unfold. By next season, we will see if Miami's moves today were wise. By then, Beck should be the starting QB in Miami as Quinn should be in Cleveland.
We'll see.
posted by Armando Salguero at 7:46 PM
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Whatever happened to taking "the best player available"? Ginn was a reach even to make a "gimplet". I dont see this draft making the Dolphins better. How depressing.
I like John Beck, I think he'll do well for us. But drafting Ted Ginn Jr with the ninth overall pick, is absolutely inexcusable. Dolphins fans, boo Ted Ginn Jr. every opportunity you get!
...Beck throws 62 yard strike to Ginn...TOUCHDOWN!....(well, it better sound that way....many times.....). While still stunned by not taking Guinn...time will tell...remember it usually takes 3 years to show how a draft class impacts a franchise. Hopefully Cleveland is scraping bottom and we have seen the wisdom of the new regime proven...what else do we hope for (gotta give them a chance!)????
OK--spelling error....Quinn.
Starting by next season? Not too sure about that. Quinn sure, but I sincerely doubt John Beck will be starting for the Dolphins next season. If he is I would imagine that would have to be a good thing.
I think we would have been better off with Quinn and Dwayne Jarrett (who was available). My only hope is that Ginn is an immediate special teams phenom.
Will you all please quit drooling over a choke artist Quinn. He is gone Thank God. I was praying anyone but Quinn. The guy never won a big game. He was over rated. Never trust Mel Kiper JR! Look at Beck's QB rating look at his thouchdowns. Hey he won some big games. So Beck > Quinn. QB is too risky to be taking in the first round. In the last 15 years name a top drafted QB that has done anything? I can think of only one. Payton Manning. Ginn will be better than Chambers nad Booker LOL. Nice center we picked up also. I think this is a good draft.
Ginn Jr. will returns punts and kickoffs and there by shorten the field for the Dolphins. Was it a stretch to take him at number 9? Yes it was!!!! Brady Quinn is over rated and Beck reminds just about everyone of a quarterback the Dolphins should have taken namely Drew Brees. I'm going to wait and pass judgement next season.
initially i was angry with the choice to pass on quinn, now i say, i will withhold judgment until i see how it plays out. lets give him a shot.
Love the pick of Beck...not a big Brady fan....but ginn jr that early is a huge risk....we coulda traded down 2 get him or draft best player available like-leon hall ,okoye even grubbs and then trade for moss who now would only cost us a 4th at worst.....kick returning will be great but i am not sold on route running ability ! we missed kalil by 1 pick, should we have traded up to get him ?????
Ginn first return touchdown, all his draft day critics will want to date him you guys are soooooo predictable
WHY IN THE WORLD would you ask Beck straight up, "Are you better than Brady Quinn?" What a ridiculous LOADED question. What did you expect him to say? "Yes"?? "No"?? There is NO right answer to a STUPID question like that. That's just irresponsible journalism, plain and simple. Sounds like he handled it with class, though, which makes me like the guy even more.
Is Beck better than Quinn? I don't know, but I do know that I am going to at least give him a chance.
And, Armando, I think you're wrong-- in one year we will know how both Quinn and Beck BEGAN their careers, but it will still be too early to tell if the pick was correct or not.
Marino's 2nd season was magical, but he never duplicated it (well, HE did, but the team didn't). Elway never had a QB rating above 84 until his 10th season, and I'd say he turned out okay. One year (or even three) is NOT ENOUGH TIME to accurately judge a quarterback.
Give the kid some time... And please stop asking dumb questions.
john beck, come on. second coming of chris weinke. Ted Ginn, hope i can brag he was the ninth pick. next desmond howard
Quinn can't throw an accurate pass, much less a spiral and he fades away in the big game. Miami needed a WR and if Ginn had not gotten hurt he would have been a top 15 pick this year. QB Beck completed 70% of his passes last year and completed over 11000 yards and 65 touchdowns vs 8 int for BYU. This guy is 26 years old and could be on the field by week 6.
Quinn had to many what if questions to pay millions more than Beck will get on his first contract. This was a smart deal by Miami. When Ginn is healthy he could be hitting 4.2 in the 40, star on kickoffs/returns and be a great end to Chris Chambers. Miami has had a great draft including the Center from Hawaii. We wanted Kalil but the Panthers too him. Way to Cam Cameron.
i guess we have a good o-line because we're not drafting anyone really. However i do like the center pick.
Well we just drafted a Lorenzo Booker, a RB from Florida State who is fast as hell. He's listed as a third down back, but that can change given a decent offensive line that FS never the past two seasons. This kid is fast and shifty. With Chambers, Ginn Jr., Brown, Williams, and Booker this Miami team will be quick on the field. The opportunity for big plays will be there. I am excited for the first time in at least 15 years by the Miami Dolphins draft. We were weak on offense and Cam Cameron has gone out and put the picks down to help the offense out. We still have six picks left. Amazing... :)
I don't have a problem with passing on Quinn, or even the selection of Ginn Jr, but he didn't need to picked with the 9th pick. TRADE DOWN! Is this SUCH a foreign concept for Dolphins Management? Ginn could have been had up with pick 12-15 and gotten another middle round pick. How is it that NE can accumulate picks but Miami insists on staying put? Just not a real encouraging day for Dolphins fans. I DO have to say that round 2 (Beck and Satele) were good selections but an undersized 3rd down back in the 3rd round? I am trying to have faith Mueller but you aren't making it easy!
Good job David!
Dolphans should be happy, we have long complained about not having any vertical threat to help the running game. Its clear Cam/Muell want to get fast on offense. I love the two for one prospect of ginn. beck and the og/c selection will allow us to run the time oriented passing ala STL. Beck was chosen over Brady b/c Brady was in a Pro style offense and still didn't win the games on the big stage. His ceiling is limited and so is his accuracy.
I am not sold on Brady Quinn until I see him play this coming year. He may turn out to be the next winning Super Bowl quarterback, and then again, maybe not. This Dolphins team has speed and the defense looks great. I would almost like to see the Dolphins take a chance on Randy Moss, since it won't cost them much-per what was said on ESPN. I believe I heard a 4th or 5th round draft pick. Anyway, looking for opinions who the place kicker for the Dolphins will be?
Well this draft sure threw me for a loop. However at the end of the day and a lot of pondering, we got the position players we needed. I am still a little puzzled over Ginn, But coach picked a player he has followed very closely over the last 10 yrs. I am very intrigued with Beck. I think he was a better pick then Quinn. All in all I am happy that we are actually filling our needs, and not just picking players because they are there.
First of all, I was extremely upset with us takinf Ginn with the 9th pick,ashamed to be a dolphin in that round...but mr. john michaels,you wrong to try and get every one to boo Ginn.Did he draft himself?no,put that on the management.This kid is gonna need as much support as he can get.Nice pick with Beck-I like him Alot-smarter and more accurate and poised than Quinn.Would liked to get the next best tackle,but that center is a beast,so i see whythey drafted him.they're getting better, but they really reached on Ginn-hope he puts on some weight and is Hester like for all our sake
I'm glad they didn't waste the money on Quin, the guy reminds me of Ryan Leaf. Beck is just as likely to do well in the NFL without risking the 1st round $$$. And all you Ginn bashers, you don't know what your talking about, he got all those stats even though he was the main focus of opposing defenses. Heck most of you will be wearing his jersey by season's end (btw anyone want to buy a slightly used Welker jersery?). Lastly that center is fun to watch, its about time the O Line got some attitude...
From what I heard on the ESPN draft analysis is that Beck was just about on the same level with Quinn and that the Dolphins were lucky that he was still out there. I don't know anything about Beck, but ESPN said his stock had risen. I looked at his stats, but have not seen him play, so I don't know much about him. What puzzles me is that if he is almost on the same level with Quinn, then why is most of the media pondering what the Dolphins did. If Quinn is that good, then why did the Browns pass on him with their first pick? If Russell was available at that spot (9th), then I would have looked at taking him more closely. I am an SEC fan and Russell is good. ESPN said the Dolphins were interested in Ginn since last year, which I did not know. As a Dolphin fan, I believe you have to give Coach Cam a chance.
The picture seems pretty clear now. This draft is to build for the future. '07 will be a trial run with these guys. I see 3-4 OL picks to come. Nothing flashy just depth. There will be a trade for Green, Culpeper/Lemon may or may not be here, but that doesn't really matter. They were just fillers. Look for linemen now on both sides of the line. Here's looking forward to '08... If things go well, the team will far OK this year. Have some faith people. 8-8 or 9-7 is a posibility.
I am a die hard Dophin fan who like everyone else was stunned they did not pick Quinn. But Ted Ginn was a one of the best Ohio State recievers ever. He was a difference maker is every game they played. Given the history of Ohio States recievers, he could be one of the best recievers in the NFL. If Quinn was so good why did he fall to 22 or so?
To the guy who said lets boo Ted Ginn Jr.,,,,,You my friend are a moron. You go ahead and boo him and we will all be cheering for him as he stretches the field with his 4.3 speed. He will be blazing by opposing d-men which will open up the running game. Get a clue. Armando, "are you better than Quinn" is a weird question to ask a rookie QB. Why dont we let him be himself and prove what he can do on the field. I think it is completely unfair for you or anyone else to ask HIM questions like that. He didn't pick himself. Save those kinds of questions for the coach and GM. Also, his reply was very mature and THAT'S what Quinn doesn't have. He was whining about how he should be picked before Russell saying that he is better because he played against better defenses. That shows a major character flaw that I'm sure the coaches didn't like. Everytime the Irish lost he was whining to the media about missed assignments and dropped balls. That's not how a true leader acts. He is a pri-madonna.
I will be excited to see any of these draft picks start in '07. I don't think any of last years picks started at all. If we can build a fair OL, we will see the Fins in most of the games. The defense will carry the team again. Lets just hope that secondary is stronger this year.
What is it the football experts always say?
"YOU CAN'T COACH SPEED!"
Folks, trading down is easier said than done.
At the end of the season I said there weren't enough playmakers....this is a good start. Didn't like the center pick much....very short arms.
Ginn will touch the ball more times a game than just a receiver would. He'll be a gamebuster.
I'm still in shock... Obviously there is something about Quinn Cameron and Mueller didn't like. Maybe the quote "if we don't agree we will go in a different direction," came into play, but Ted Ginn??? I don't see it. Sure the guy is fast and he can return kicks but he would have been there at 15.
I don't know enough about Beck to say one way or the other. Honestly I had doubts about Quinn. He reminds me too much of Rick Mirer, but the Ginn pick was a reach and was completely unnecessary.
Oh well, the torture continues for us Dolphin fans. I think when Huzinga changed the name of Joe Robbie Stadium that was the beginning. I'm calling it the Joe Robbie curse. Robbie turned over in his grave and put the voodoo on the Dolphins.
For Cameron and Mueller's sake I hope this draft pans out because they will be forever linked to this fateful day. I don't think I'm alone in being one unhappy Dolphin fan.
BTW, Booker was a bust at FSU what was up with that? Samele played on a run and shoot team? I guess I really don't know anything about this game anymore because these picks are just plain stupid to me.
I hope that John Beck causes me to forget than not once, but twice, the Dolphins had chances at Drew Brees!!! The Dolphins needed speed at Wide Receiver! Brady Quinn, by some pundits, was rated a 3rd rounder so maybe the Dolphins made the right decision!! Booker is a scatback/third down back that fills a need as well since Travis( put me in the game) Minor is gone. I wish the FB Leonard from Rutgers was available but glad the fish picked an OL with flexibility at Center and Guard! Now, lets get some more beef on both lines so Ronnie can run the damn ball! Beck & Ginn are classy characters and should be able to steer clear of the pitfalls of Miami Vice!!!
I'm afraid, Armando, I've got to agree with those who characterize your initial question for Beck as stooopid - and tactless.
Even Tiger Woods, who KNOWS he is better than the other elite golfers, would decline to answer such a loaded query. We'll have to let the future answer the question for us.
On paper, he looks good. I find his age an advantage, not a detriment. Let's see what he can do. Apparently he will have a little time to develop under Green.
I didn't mind them passing on Brady. If they felt Stanton, Edwards, or Beck were better then they made the right choice. I think beyond some of the elite qbs its more of matching the QB that fits your offense. I don't think Brady Quinn was one of those special QBs. Given Beck's age I think you have to scrap the whole Trent Green idea and throw Beck out there. Because of his age he has to learn quickly.
That said I didn't care for the Ginn pick. The problem I had with the Ginn pick is that he will never be a #1 WR or redzone option. He reminds me too much of Troy Williamson on Min. But that said he is on the Dolphins and I will root for him to succeed. Although looking back if the Dolphins didn't like Quinn there weren't many options on offense. Also don't forget: We got the whole Ginn family. Hopefully Ginn sr. can lineup at CB for us.
I think the Dolphins droped the ball on the center pick. Kalil was probably the better pick at center and they should have moved up a few spots to get him before Carolina.
Booker - I hope he is better than Minor. We let Minor walk and sign with Stl. I liked Minor as a change of pace back but with the holes on the Dolphins team we need him to be better than Minor.
One good note about Beck. Comming from BYU we probably don't need to worry about him making it "rain" at a las vegas strip club or hosting dog fighting rings.
john, why do you want Miami fans to boo Ted Ginn every opportunity they get. How about support the kid and hope he does what the Phins think he can and will do. It's not Ginn fault that Miami reached for him in the 1st round. As far as John Beck is concerned, I think it is a very good pick. You get a kid that is a similar size and athlete, very good arm, poise and polish and very productive while at BYU. And he is a more accurate QB than Quinn and you get him for a whole hell of a lot less than Quinn.
#1 Ginn will be "durable". How many games did he miss do to injuries (caused by the opposition)?
#2 "Game" speed (as opposed to 40 yard dash) - have you seen Ginn?? He will be giving D-coordinators (and of course Spec. teams coaches) nightmares.
#3 Do you seriously think that we turned down legit. offers from teams picking 10-17? We got the man that we wanted, and didn't take any stupid chances.
Ted Ginn had better be the next Steve Smith.
At first I was shaking my head too when we didn't get Quinn. But did anyone else notice how the pundits on ESPN changed their tune as Quinn slid? At first it was a collossal mistake then as he slid down the board it was more of a general second guessing.
2 notes. 1)had Ginn not been injured he would've been top 10 on almost everyone's boards, we've taken a risk, but no way in hell I'm booing the guy, instead I'm praying the risk pays off big.
2nd note. I've been listening to Sirius NFL alot recently (lotsa road trips) and heard several interviews w/ J Beck. The first interview I heard, he had actually called in from the hospital where his wife was in Labor, this guy is a professional. I called my wife immediatly afterword and told her I hope the fins get this guy, now I just hope I'm right. To the guy who said he's the 2nd coming of Weinke, I've no doubt whatsoever you know nothing about this guy other than reading his bio which would include his age. Yes, he's older, but was not in football for 2 years recently while on a mission w/ his church (different issue, but a least he's committed!). Therefore, he has 2 less years of wear and tear. He also is incredibly smart and mature. Meaning he'll be able to play sooner. I wanted Quinn, but I'm stoked to have Beck. lastly, if you don't believe me, believe Steve Young, who knows BYU QBs (it's kinda a QB factory if you haven't been paying attention!).
Ginn: I'm hoping. Beck, I've no doubt he'll be a solid professional QB. We're lucky he was there.
I'm also optomistic about the center/guard from Hawaii we got, and Lorenzo Booker, who may be a steal....
I encourage the doubters to withold judgement til these guys get on the field. Miami fans can be brutal, lets give these kids a chance to succeed. In the end, winning is what we all want (I assume anyway).
The crime wasn't passing on Quinn ... it was taking Ginn. Ginn will be nothing more than a No. 2 receiver AT BEST. If you're drafting a receiver No. 9, he better be a future No. 1 receiver. They basically drafted Dante Hall 9th overall!!! Ridiculous. Since Thomas and Jones were both off the board to help this miserable O-Line, I think Amobi Okoye or Leon Hall would have been the way to go.
Booker: There is no way that he doesn't stick. He won't be a huge contributer in the backfield if Ricky returns, but he is an outstanding athlete that will humbly become one of our top special teams players - def. not a "bust"
Okoye and Hall are higher value players than Ginn. Iwon't argue that. But, you HAVE to draft for need this year Dolphans! Not out of desperation, really. Our D-line and secondary is in better shape than most think. This was a GREAT PICK!
Dolfans, ease up on CAMueller! What happened today is called an INTERVENTION.
Want to know why that euphoria you felt just before the 9th pick was followed soon afterwards by depression, anxiety and now craving?
It's because we've been so dependent on the Jimmy Johnson/Dave Wansted philosphy for so long that we couldn't handle going all offense on day 1. A few weeks ago we actually even fretted about loosing a kicker! Remember back in the 80's & 90's when for us the term "field position" only referred to the end zone?
Well, now it's time to go Cold Turkey! Consider Joey Porter, Trent Green and our 10 draft picks as our 12 step recovery program.
Brady Quinn was destined for failure in Miami. Deep down inside you this to be true. He would always have been unfavorably compared to the ghost of 1984 Marino and a 2008 Daunte Culpepper. J-Beck has no such expectations.
Look at the bright side...If the Dolphins suck this year, that means that Ted Ginn Jr. will probably have a good chance of making offensive rookie of the year from all the inevitable kick-off returns.
Brilliant Iguazu...Fine points made. Quinn would've been compared to Marino - now Ginn gets compared to Quinn. Ginn is a better punt returner than kick returner anyhow(I.M.O), so lets be optomistic and say his R.O.Y. honors are based more on the punt returns.
I'm not sold on Ginn being the 9th pick because I don't think he can be a true #1 receiver. He will definately be boom or bust. With his skill set I don't think there is room for him to at least be a nice reciever. He is going to hit HRs or nothing at all.
That said we would probably be having the same discussion if we picked Meachem, Bowe, staley, olsen, etc. After the Dolphins pick 11 of the next 12 picks were defense. The one offensive player picked was not an option because it was Lynch and we don't need a RB. The Dolphins had to pick offense and anyone they took not named Quinn was going to be a reach. With their history I'll give them a pass on Quinngate for now.
The draft wasn't perfect but look at it this way...
Even if Trent Green is the QB next year and we're developing Beck the other three of four choices will like start or play significant time this year with the following consequences...
Ginn will complement Chambers. BTW, don't you think the coach had to emphasize the kick return aspect of Ginn's game to keep from hurting Chamber's feelings? Chris is a good receiver who makes amazing catches but he is not a scary deep threat. Chris won't be doubled, Ginn will. Also, the deep threat will help the running game.
We need help on the O-Line. Satele will start and have an impact this year.
We have no depth at running back and Booker is a good complement to Ronnie Brown. I really don't believe we can count on Ricky Williams.
We probably have three starters plus a good quarterback to train. Plus, I don't see any of these guys holding out like the draft choices from previous years.
I didn't understand why ESPN made it seem like the Dolphins made such a horrible choice. If Quinn was that great, how come he wasn't chosen until 22. ESPN kept saying it was because the other teams did not need a QB but in there next breath telling me how great Quinn is. Are you telling me that the Vikings, Redskins,Buffalo, and the Jets all have a better QB? I don't think the Eagles needed a QB but they drafted one, so if Quinn is that good then why didn't someone add him to their roster? And as far as moving down in the draft, don't you need another team to trade down with, maybe they tried and got no takers. How can that be Ginns fault?.
Imagine...
A punt returner who has 4.2 speed capable of breaking any given return for a TD or big yard gains. With our stout defense, I would imagine the other team will be punting quite a bit. Without Devin Hester, The Bears would not be in the SB last year.
Imagine...
A receiver who can learn to run better routes but even as he is today can simply out run a defender.
Imagine...
A QB who can complete tougher passes more accuratley than Brady Quinn. A QB that can think fast, has a quick release, and will be tutored under some of the best QB minds in the business in Cameron, Shea and Green.
Imagine...
A RB who is fast and elusive with great hands who can make things happen. One who was used wrong by OC Bowden who is gone. Papa Bowden is famous for splitting RB duties between two RB's plus FSU had no line last year.
Reality: You don't have to imagine. That's what you got today. GO Cam! GO Phins!!
Imagine...
A punt returner who has 4.2 speed capable of breaking any given return for a TD or big yard gains. With our stout defense, I would imagine the other team will be punting quite a bit. Without Devin Hester, The Bears would not be in the SB last year.
Imagine...
A receiver who can learn to run better routes but even as he is today can simply out run a defender.
Imagine...
A QB who can complete tougher passes more accuratley than Brady Quinn. A QB that can think fast, has a quick release, and will be tutored under some of the best QB minds in the business in Cameron, Shea and Green.
Imagine...
A RB who is fast and elusive with great hands who can make things happen. One who was used wrong by OC Bowden who is gone. Papa Bowden is famous for splitting RB duties between two RB's plus FSU had no line last year.
Reality: You don't have to imagine. That's what you got today. GO Cam! GO Phins!!
I more concerned about the Booker pick. I think he will be like Turner was to Tomlinson, but that leaves Ricky out. I hope they don't trade Ricky, unless it's for Randy Moss. That would mean there would only be two offensive plays for the Miami. Ginn returning the kick 50 yrds, then Culpepper(if healthy) throwing a 50 yrd pass to Moss.
Only three short years ago, all the football gurus and thier grandmothers said that monster of a man Robert Gallery was the "Sure Thing", a "No brainer", "Can't go wrong", etc., etc. I'm sure he is a good person off the field, but he is swiss cheese when putting on the pads and on the line for the Raiders. So why should we believe them after hyping up Quinn and say he is the best for the Dolphins? Thank God they passed Quinn and went with who they felt is the best for the Dolphins rather than what the so called football experts think. Ginn may be a stretch at 9, but we only averaged 16 points a game last year. Offense needs help big time and whether we pick at 9 or 238, we need help.
Jim McMahon-BYU/Bears/Superbowl winner.
Steve Young-BYU/49ers/Superbowl(x4) winner.
John Beck-BYU/Dolphins/Superbowl winner.
I for one will be cheering for the 'Phins like I do year after year rather than booing them. I can hope, can't I? GO DOLPHINS!!!!!!
I just want to know how many fans interviewed these players, talked to them, watched film? First we all thought the Football God smiled on us by giving us a great offensive mind like Cam. Now without even playing a game much less a mini camp we are already criticizing him and Mueller. Wait till the end of the season to START passing judgment. Let the man show if he knows what he is talking about. So far this draft is half full, not empty.
To the retards making the comment "If Brady's so great, why'd he fall to 22? Look at the friken teams picking after the dolphins, NONE OF THEM NEEDED A QB! Others talk about trusting Cameron with having some kind of inside information no one else was aware of. No! I may not have had the benefit of private work outs with Brady, but following him for 2 years in the national spotlight tells me something, and that's that this kid's a talented, polished player with great charisma, leadership ability, the ability to inspire hope in teammates and fans, and the perfect fit for the fins at #9. Who do you believe more anyway? Weis, who coached him for years, or Cameron who worked him out for a couple weeks? Cameron doesn't know anything. He doesn't understand how much this dolphins fan base hungers for someone willing to embrace the title of 'next Marino'. I still cannot believe we passed on this guy! This is without a question the darkest day in dolphins history and it will forever haunt this organization...
I grew up near John Beck and I've watched him in most of his games. He is the real deal mentally, he can make plays with the game on the line, and he makes good decisions under pressure.
I think your biggest worry with him is going to be whether he can withstand the punishment of an NFL season.
I was shocked at the Ginn pick, but I wasn't shocked that you didn't go with Quinn. Quinn is over-rated. The Dolphins organization did the right thing by ignoring the media hype. This is not going to be the greatest draft in history, but it won't be the worst either, give the players a chance.
I'll be rooting for you from the desert.
Ok, I too was shocked when we didn't take Brady Quinn. But the team desperately needed more offensive SPEED and got it with Ginn and Booker. And John Beck seems to be a clone of Drew Brees, same size, very accurate, intelligent, leader/mature, etc.., which I'm certain Cam Cameron likes. Hopefully Beck is Drew Brees v.2, and he brings to us what Drew did for the Chargers and Cameron.
I love the move. You hired an offensive minded coach and he is doing what he knows. I love everything about this draft, including the mismatches the offense now has with Ginn, Chambers, and Booker.
Coach Cameron does not doubt this draft. The fans went with the national media. I will go with the coach who got on the podium and said to the boos....trust me!!!
Had I been drafting for the Phins my draft would have looked like this:
1. Okoye DT Louisville
2-9 Rice WR South Carolina
2-30 Edwards QB Stanford
3. Pittman, RB Ohio State
I'd have gotten a dominant D-lineman to replace any one of our aging guys. I'd have gotten a better route runner at receiver than Ginn. I'd have gotten a QB I believe to be of a similar talent level to the guy they really got. And I'd have gotten a RB who is just as fast as the guy we got, but is bigger and stronger and not afraid to run between the tackles.
ANYONE WHO THINKS QUINN CANNOT WIN A BIG GAME IS OUT OF THEIR MIND. ND LOST BIG GAMES BECAUSE THEY HAD A HORRIBLE DEFENSE. WHEN YOUR "D" GIVES UP 31+ POINTS, YOU CANNOT BLAME IT ON THE QB. BRAVO, PHINS- YOU BLEW IT!
I know a lot about being a quarterback, and would like to play for the Dolphins. If you don't believe me you can watch me throwing in the parking lot. I once cracked someone's window, so I know I've got the arm strength, and I know a lot more about the skills and character than someone who had some job in California, and does not therefore know much about football in Miami. So could someone let me have the name of Brady Quinn's PR agent, so I can get on with my career.
I'm glad they took a qb in the second round but by the time this guy is ready to start he could be 28 or 29. How many quality years is he going to give us?????
I have been a Dolfan since 1965 and have seen the great years ( Shula, no name, Warfield, Czsonka, Kiick, Morris...and ...Oh yeah, Marino...the best there was or ever will be.) and the not so great ( pick a name in the last 5 years excluding Zack and Jason ). I am willing to trust Cam and staff who, I believe, felt that Mr. Quinn and Mr. Beck were fairly equal in talent and wanted to save the money for later use. Mr. Ginn may come cheaper than your normal 9th round pick dollars because he was a "reach" and if he does reach his potential, has the character, and work ethic that the coaching staff has stated, then Dolfans will quickly come to embrace this draft. I hope I am right in having this trust and even if it doesn't work out I will still be a Dolfan in 2008 and beyond !!!!
A BIG "WHEW" when Miami selected Beck. From what Cam Cameron tried to tell the Draft Party, through the boos that rained down on him worse than Pacman Jones in a STRIP CLUB, was that he knows Ginn's family more than 10 years...
FINALLY SOMEONE THAT KNOWS THIS GUY! Everyone that was asked about Cam said they really didn't know him, finally, finally someone that does!
Seriously, Ginn was a stretch, but I remember reports months ago that said Miami may have a "shot" at Ginn and many seemed to think we'd be lucky to get him.
But flood the fans with mock drafts and thousands of articles, and suddenly Ginn is lower by the so-called "PROFESSIONAL" opinion...
So until this draft is over, we can't grade the whole thing in one round.
We needed a WR: We got Ginn
http://play.rbn.com/?url=nfl/nfl/open/dolphins/demand/TedGinn_NFL_300.rm&proto=rtsp&lid=TedGinn_NFL_300
We needed a QB: We got Beck
http://play.rbn.com/?url=nfl/nfl/open/dolphins/demand/JohnBeck_NFL_300.rm&proto=rtsp&lid=JohnBeck_NFL_300
We needed a OC: We got Satele
rtsp://rx-wes-sea103.rbn.com/farm/*/nfl/nfl/open/dolphins/demand/SamsonSatele_NFL_300.rm?lid=SamsonSatele_NFL_300
We added a RB: We got Booker
http://play.rbn.com/?url=nfl/nfl/open/dolphins/demand/LorenzoBooker_NFL_300.rm&proto=rtsp&lid=LorenzoBooker_NFL_300
Look, 3/4 needed spots were addressed yesterday, and Satele looked damn good on the video I have seen...
So lets see what happens today, who knows what may happen...
Beck is just another Ty Detmer, a fragile Qb who was all world at BYU, but a career backup in the NFL.
Beck is/and will be a better QB than Quinn, but taking Ginn that early was a mistake! Trade down and get Ginn later, (much later) and add another mid-round pick.
Ditto Nick. A few months back Ginn was the popular choice. Many of you are making judgements on what other experts have said; not game film - seriously, how much have YOU seen of Beck. Mueller would have traded down if there was a legit offer between the 10th-17th pick. We didn't want to lose the guy we wanted.
The only thing I would like to point out on the whole situation is when CAM said we drafted the whole GINN family and he's known them for 10 years, did he do what was best for the team or for a friends family?? priorities...?
Why not give Cam Cameron a bit of respect here, NO ONE, not the ESPN "experts" or the Herald "experts" has even mentioned that Cam worked with Phillip Rivers and Drew Brees and knows what he is looking for in a QB. Also I think Randy Mueller has had some success with drafting QB's...anyone ever heardof that Hasselbeck guy in Seattle?
With the loss of Welker, Ginn will fit the Slot and with his speed it should hold off double teams on Chambers. Ginn will also fit the return game which became a need upon Welker's departure. Coach claims he has known the family for (10) years, maybe he knows more about the foot injury than most. Could be dangerous Slot Receiver as we all know you have to respect speed. Teams will have to put their fastest defender on him and that will help Chambers.
Regarding the Dolphins' pick of Ted Ginn Jr. at #9, there is one point I haven't seen anyone address yet. Huizenga Has been adamant that the #1 pick not hold out this year. With all of the family connections, Cameron and Mueller are almost certain that Ginn Jr. will sign on time. So they address a need (speed, offense, receiver, returner) and make the owner look good when their first round pick doesn't hold out.
Why do people feel is is always necessary to compare players from the same school? Beck is nothing like Ty Detmer. He is approx. 4-5 inches taller, has a better arm and is built more for the NFL. I don't think BYU has a cookie cutter spitting out QB clones.
1st, to the guy in the desert, my heart is with you!
After sleeping on it I'm a little more settled on the picks. I always felt there was something in Quinn's eyes that gave me reason to pause. I saw confusion there at very important times in big games, while the play in the UCLA game makes one think he could be a great QB there were more times when the deer was in the headlights.
I think we could have gotten Ginn later in the draft but there is no control over trading down if no one is out there to trade with. It's kind of telling that we must have been open for offers and no team thought enough of Quinn to come up and get him. So you go with the guy highest rated on your board. We have not had a pure speed receiver since Mark Duper and we all know how prolific that offense was. Of course there was a guy named Marino throwing the ball. Ginn will open things up for the rest of the offense. Forcing safeties to respect the deep ball should be interesting.
Beck must have impressed Cameron and Mueller enough to remove Quinn from the mix. We must defer to these guys whose professional life depends on making these decisions.
Satele looks like a guy with a mean streak and a wide body. I would imagine the war room was unhappy to see Kahlil go one pick before. Cameron said he would build from the center out so I'm hoping this is the right guy.
Booker under-whelmed at FSU but Terry Bowden was a terrible OC and it seemed like the offense at FSU stunk even with the enormous amount of talent on that team. Booker could be a better back in the pros and will be a good 3rd down back.
In a year or 2 we will be able to go back and say whether this draft made or broke the Cameron / Mueller regime... I will defer to the professionals. But I cannot deny the shock I felt when Goodell called out Ted Ginn and not Brady Quinn.
We draft a speedy receiver to return punts and be a deep threat. Then we draft a quarterback with limited arm strength who may not be able to get him the ball. Too often over the past serveral years we have had quarterbacks underthrow our receivers.
ok look here is what i think for what its worth.. first on ginn yea he was a reach at 9, and im sure if the possiblitiy to trade down was there we would of taken it!! i was just as pissed as everyone when we passed on quinn.. but then after digesting it why did we pass on him.. terry oshea was training for him and now hes or qb coach so obviously hes not as good as advertised...and sources have reported we actually had beck ahead of quinn. everyone is booing cam for the ginn choice, but all we talk about is not having offense and now thats what we are getting!! so i just say stop bitching and give them a chance!!! they are the ones getting paid to do this not us!!!
and as for the limited arm strenght for beck i suggest you go watch this video.. its not jamarcus throwing 64 yards from a knee but there are no questions about becks arm strength.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHBy7uIV_iE
Our man Armando is a cheap shot artist, that's for sure.
Not only does he ask inappropriate questions, he censors my comments criticizing him(they were removed from his blog comments section yesterday) because they were dead on accurate. This guy is a piss-poor journalist who is lacking in football judgement, personal ethics, and writing quality.
That said, Ted Ginn Jr. was my pick all along and needless to say I think it was a great pick. I do have some reservations about Quinn over Beck, but that shouldn't matter anyway if the Dolphins give Daunte the chance he deserves. Satele seems a good pick in round 2, and Booker seems like a good third down back. Altogether, the offense is moving in a good direction, especially if Ricky comes back, but with Moss going to the Patriots it looks like they are bound for world champs the next 2-3 years.
What happened to Armando's first draft of today's story, comparing Quinn to Marino? Our lame sportswriter realized he was lame and removed it. What ever happened to journalistic ethics -- stand by what you write! We know you are lame, you can't hide it!
I'm not disappointed in the choice of Beck over Quinn, but I am disappointed in the Dolphins choosing a injured, unproven WR; especially when they have a problem committing to a injured but proven 3 time pro-bowl QB already on their roster.
Well, I think Cam and Muller are competent, capable football men, and I support their collective decision. w/o the injury, Ginn would have been top-15, and none of us expected Brady to be there at 9, so we wind up with the fastest player in the draft, and one of the top QBs available, so I'm going to give the team I've rooted for for 40 years the benefit of the doubt. All you folks who want to boo these guys and change teams should get on with your booing and find another team to not really support
I too was very upset that our beloved team didn't take Quinn when they had the opportunity. I then saw was Ted Ginn, Jr could do and I am now going to wait and see what happens. As far as Beck, I think that with him being older than Quinn, he will be more patient and probably make better decisions early on than Quinn may have. I don't agree with John Michaels who said to "Boo Ted Ginn, Jr every opportunity you get" THIS IS NOT HIS FAULT!! Let's sit back and see what he can do before we pass judgement on him.
Yes it does - particularly the one they selected. He was rising fast on the draft boards.
Hopefully, he will be our long-term answer at the QB position. Will he be a HoF QB? Don't know but I actually read one fan saying the Qinn qas a future HoF QB - who says? Alot depends on what's around a QB. Dolfans, above all others, should understand that a phenom QB alone doesn't get us to the SB while someone like Rex Grossman can with the right cast around him. I believe that John Beck is better than Rex Grossman. He may prove better than Ben Roethlisberger. If he helps us get back to the playoffs and even the big game, was it worth passing up Quinn? I think so. Quinn - regardless of whether or not he's the second coming of Tom Brady - won't get us anywhere by himself.
I think we have to trust the braintrust at Dolphins training center over Kiper, Jaworski (who clearly wasn't a huge supporter of Quinn's) and Steve Young (who was a huge supporter of Beck's).
Ginn ran a 4.38 with a BAD FOOT! He & Booker can score from ANYWHERE on the field. Beck is a better QB than Quinn, PERIOD! Satele pancakes defenders left and right!
1st day went well guys. Wake up!
I think that we will probably be happier with the results of this draft and what the staff will do with it than we have been in the last few years.
We will see the results sometime next year. Until then, everything is speculation, which is usually more exciting than waitnsee.
in the first two rounds we addressed three needs OL,QB, and in Ginn and Booker kr/pr.both will improve the passing game.The most important thing I see is vastly improved field position,which changes the mentality of our team and open the play book for the offense.Cam knows QB's,Ginn would have been top ten without the injury.Forward steps we asked for,IMO thats what we have got.
I am not surprice !!! So you were the one who ask the worst question in Beck's press conference. I am just glad that the guy is smart and did not get into it. Now I understand why lots of guys who express their opinions don't like you.
I just have to say, I watch the bowl game Beck played last yr and he was impressive. Lets hope he can take it to the next level. He for sure has the right attitude.
As a life-long BYU fan and current resident of Pittsburgh, I can assure that John Beck is WAY more talented than Big Ben and many other QB's. If you give him good protection, like any QB should have, he will deliver the ball. He is very smart, very accurate and don't believe the CRAP about arm strength. His arm is plenty strong. If Beck had played with the level of raw talent that Quinn had, Notre Dame would have won the national championship. Quinn is WAY overrated. Miami made an incredibly smart move with Beck.
canada here:
i from way up in canada and have been a dolphins fan since dan marino and john offerdahl and what i saw on saturday made me SICK!!!!
you have a chance to get quinn that falls into you lap and still have a chance to get beck and you don't take quinn...on the draft day coverage the showed all the quaterbacks since marino and .....i am sorry the list will grow...a lot....as steve young said quinn may not have the best stats but he has heart and the brains to play quaterback in the nfl and played on notre dame with limited talent...if steve young says hes agood quater back and charlie wisseman coach of both brady and quinn says there almost equal....why in god's name would you pass on him??take the best player availble.....quinn was the best player...and miami passed....see on the bottom of the standings miami....maybe i will become a tampa bay fan....excuse the spelling mistakes...still mad
Wow. For once at least 70% of the people on this blog actually knows what they are talking about. That alone will get me to visit here more often.
Of course there are those who are already corrupted by Mel Kiper (what a joke) and think Miami had the worst draft ever which in fact it is far from it!
Since Im completely tired of this argument, Ill try to be brief.
First some numbers:
Some numbers
John Beck:2006 69.3% 3885 yards 32 tds 8 int 169.1 passer rating
Brady Quinn:2006 61.9% 3426 yards 37 tds 7 int 146.65 passer rating
So I still don't get it.... for all you stats lovers who are so in love with Brady Quinn.
Next Ill give you one more from BYU
3,902 yards 33 tds 71.3%
For those who don't recognize the numbers, this is Steve Young (Pro-bowler, Hall of famer also from BYU with "no competition").
Beck looks AWESOME and he will be the starter either later this year or at the LATEST earlier next year. He'll be ready to go, have no mistake about that.
As for Ginn, I have no doubt Miami tried to trade back but didnt' get enough value (after all, NO ONE in the entire teens wanted Quinn). So the value was just not there, so you take the guy you want now even if it was a bit of a reach. He is so fast its sickening, for those who haven't seen his tapes just go to youtube and look it up. Seriously it'll be the most entertaining 7 minutes of football you'll see anywhere!
Can't wait to get these guys on the field. I LOVE the fact that we went all offense (Or mostly). Awesome awesome awesome!
all you gotta do is ask yourself ... would you rather have brady quinn and sidney rice or jon beck and ted gin jr
...i think takin Ted Ginn mite have been a stretch..but wen u think about it, we needed a return specialist- we got it for both kicks and punts..think bout this, we needed a speed reciever-we got it...we also needed a Q.B. and we got it...really there is not much different between Beck and Quinn. Beck reminds people of Drew Brees. well u now wut happened to him after coach Cameron worked with him..i give this draft an A
-Eric
The Air Force secondary played both Quinn and Beck. Want to know who was better? Beck by a landslide. It was in the Rocky Mountain News and Denver Post. The FS said Beck was ten times better than the overrated pretty boy. This guy is pure talent. And yes, he can throw the deep ball. You guys got a stud!
it sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!didn't pick quinn
boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo to the ones who
so people think beck is a good quaterback....hmmm me thinks i smell another jay fiedler or
a.j. feely
miami blew it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
About John Beck...
First, I am a BYU Alum so you folks in South Florida just picked up another fan. I and all of BYU Cougar nation love John Beck.
John Beck won a State Championship in Arizona. He served a two year Mormon mission, which means he is dedicated, mature, hard working and will sacrifice for the good of others. Not some selfish slob who only worries about himself.
If you remember our old coaching legend Lavell Edwards. Once he left the BYU football program was one year away from collapse, which it did. John Beck was thrown in as a freshman in complete tormoil, and learned the hard way. He did not get gawdy numbers with a team of All-Americans around him. John Beck built a great BYU team into last years 15th Ranked Bowl winning team.
Did you see the throw that John Beck made the last game of the season against Utah? That was the gutsiest pass made by any quaterback in the NCAA in 2006. Period! With one last play, a few seconds on the clock he danced around for a full 13 seconds before he found his tight end in the end zone to win the game. I dare say, it is the poise on the field that should remind you of Dan Marino.
And about his arm strength. During the NFL combine in Indianapolis he has the second strongest arm, measured by velocity - of all the quaterbacks! Here in BYU land the stories of him throwing the ball 75-80 yards in practice for fun were all the rage. I watched it with my own eyes on a couple of occasions. The reason people question his arm strength is because he learned to put enough velocity on the ball to make the play, but soft enough so his receivers could catch it. And BYU's system of play emphasized the short to middle routes, so lots of touch passes. Don't worry, plenty of 50-60 yard down the middle throws as well.
You folks just got a stud at number 40! Be happy and watch some good things happen. As a brand new Dolphins fan I would love to watch him build your franchise as he did BYU's after Edwards left.
Go dolphins!!!
One other point about John Beck and his arm strength.
Many of you want to watch a deep passing game. Just so you know, BYU doesn't have any burners in their receiving corp. They are all Wayne Chrebek of NY Jets style. Decent speed but mostly possession receivers. And with no debt threat, no deep balls.
Two years ago BYU had one speedster on their team, a Todd Watkins. If you want to see John Beck's arm and accuracy for the deep ball, watch tape from that year. In one game against Notre Dame Todd Watkins dropped 3 or 4 deep balls, all around 50 yards in the air. Watkins was fast enough to get behind the DBs of Notre Dame but dropped too many balls. We lost but the point, those balls were landing softly in Todd's hands every time. His nerves were shot. But no John Becks.
You got a great QB on your hands.
If you want to compare Quinn and Beck, easy enough to do. Compare them to USC.
While Quinn almost won that game, look at who he had around him. How many of those players were drafted. Then look at what Beck did against USC. Once again, gawdy numbers. And how many of Becks team mates were drafted? Zero!
Similar results against USC and yet Beck did it with far less talent on his side of the ball. Hands down Beck is smarter, more athletic and certainly more mature.
You folks on the east coast don't see much west of the SEC. In fact, I would bet that less than 1% of you have ever even seen Beck play, let alone know about his production game in and out.
I just wonder what he could have done with an offensive line like what Quinn had. Or a 6'5" receiver like that Jeff Zmarja (how ever you spell it).
No comparison. You got the better quaterback.
Boo Ted Ginn every chance you get is a rediculous comment. He had nothing to do with the Dolphins drafting him. If you want to boo Mueller or Cam that is fine, but Ginn has no reason to be treated poorly by the fans. This all needs a chance to play out before we overreact.
This is a team that averaged less than 17 points a game last year. If we had scored 7 more pts a game we would have won 4 more games. Chambers is not a # 1 receiver,he has proved that, he is better in the slot(remember the Bills game 2 yrs ago?) Booker cannot play outside, Hagen has yet to prove anything. Ginn has speed and no baggage, ala Moss and TO. Has Quinn ever won a BIG game? I don't understand how people (fans and reporters) can judge what the fins did when they have not seen these guys play and have not drilled them, both physically and mentally
second coming of chris weinke? weinke was 29 before he even suited up for an NFL game...beck is 26...
all in all, i'm happy the way things went this draft. addressed issues with offensive line, though the job is far from over. with ginn the field can be stretched a little more, giving him as well as chambers more opportunities, which in turn can only be a good thing for ronnie brown. i still think the team has issues with the offensive line that need to be addressed, but they made do with the picks they had.
Coach Cam and QB coach Shea spent a ton of time with Quinn working him out etc. - Shea even helped prep him for his pro workout - so for fins not to take him Cam must have had his reasons - Cam knows QB's - either saw things in Brady's game he didn't like or saw things in Beck that were the same or better - As for Ginn lets just hope they did their homework on his foot injury better than they did their research into Daunte's knee!
if beck is so good why did he go in the 2nd round?........are all the scouts and guys rank wrong....lol doubt it
miami blew it having a 1st round quater back that all the rankings and football guys like steve young and experts saying quinn was the better guy......well postive side is leat miami will have a high draft choice next year when they finish last again in their divison...just feel sorry for taylor and thomas
smooth pick coach!!!!!!!!!!
dc
Its one thing to draft Ginn Jr. if Brady Quinn was not available, I wouldn't mind it then...I am more shocked than angry. If Cam uses Ginn Jr. correctly (like a Reggie Bush with end-arounds, reverses, screens adding to 80 plus receptions and 1000 yards) then its a great pick. However, us Dolfans are used to having unused weapons. Between all the Herald reports regarding trading up for Quinn, all the talk about Quinn being Shea's model QB, and the lack of a quality, franchise quarterback in a dolphin uniform what were we to suspect. Shock was more involved than anger. If Ginn Jr. is used the right way and Beck is what Cam says he is, then it all worked out.
The other concern I have, is why not trade down and get more picks if this is your guy the whole time? The Texans, 49ers, Bills were not going to take this guy, so get some extra picks while your at it. The whole situation was handled horribly and only future pro-bowls for Ginn Jr. and Beck and a horrible career from Brady Quinn will change the minds of Dolfans.
I don't know about Ginn, but the draft of Beck was brilliant. Why spend ninth pick dollars on an overrated, overhyped QB who underperformed for fout years? I watched Beck play often in 06 and was impressed by his accuracy, poise and his very strong arm. He's mature and solid and won't ever embarrass the organization. Want to know how good he was? BYU won it's last 11 games by an average of over 27 points. Blew out Oregon in their bowl game. Finished 15th in the country...and he was the only member of his team taken in the draft. Time will show he was a steal.
"If Beck was so good why was he taken in the 2nd round????"
What kind of moron thinks that way?
Let's see....If Montana was so good, why was he taken in the 3rd round? If Brady was so good, why was he taken in the 7th round. If Marino was so good why was he taken 27th overall with five or six other qbs going first?
Couldn't it just be that the scouts saw that Beck was comparable (or better!) than Quinn and saw they could get him at #40 and save millions of dollars for free agency or cap space?
I wouldn't have taken Quinn, not with Beck likely available. Wouldn't have gone with Ginn either...think his OSU teammate Gonzalez or Steve Smith will be better pro receivers.
I'm sick of people saying we could have traded down to get Ginn. How? Everyone thought we were going to take Quinn and no team remotely close after us was interested in Quinn (because of need) and Ginn would have been gone by pick 22. You have to have an offer from someone to trade down to get the guy you really want.
With the Ginn pick, Coach Cameron was reacting to his heart. (Cameron stated that he's known Ginn for 10 years.) The question is whether we'll know Cameron for more than 10 months.
Don't agree with you on Beck starting next year, at least I hope not. That would mean that neither Donte nor Trent Green will be on the field, and I'm not so sure I like that perspective. Do you really think that Miami's "plan" was to take a QB in the second round. Because, I don't. I think that the Beck pick was a popularity vote. You can't really believe that a barely 6' QB with modest arm strength is an adequate candidate for a franchise savior.
I don't believe that the Dolphins really feel that there was any QB in the draft that is was worth their while, however after the castigation that greeting Coach Camron after the first pick did not spell Brady Quinn, they felt compelled to give us a glimmer of hope if all else fails. The fact of the matter is, this draft was weak that the QB position. They had to hype up Quinn just to have a second guy to put up there with Russell. I for one will be shocked if Quinn does anything of significance in the NFL.
The jury is out.
It's not Ginn's fault that our "Brain Trust" chose him with the 9th pick. Let's try and be constructive and direct all booing towards Cameron and Mueller. There's nothing to be gained from ripping Ginn.
Don't be too upset. It's looks like we're gonna be in position to draft another top QB next year.
C A M C A M E R O N . . .
Playing career
A multi-sport athlete at Terre Haute South Vigo High School, Cameron was an All-American quarterback at Terre Haute South Vigo High School in Terre Haute, Indiana. His favorite receiver at Terre Haute South Vigo High School was Chris Dezelan. He won the 1979 Trester Award for Mental Attitude as a guard on the high school basketball team which went to the state finals two years in a row. He played football and basketball at Indiana University under coaches Lee Corso and Bob Knight, respectively until a knee injury ended his playing career. As an undergraduate he was a member of the Kappa Sigma Fraternity. He graduated from Indiana in 1983 with a degree in business.
Coaching career beginnings
Cameron spent the first ten years of his career at the University of Michigan, where he learned from long-time Wolverine coach Bo Schembechler. After two years as a graduate assistant, he became Michigan's youngest assistant and was responsible for tutoring quarterbacks and receivers. He was instrumental in the development of many future NFL players, including Jim Harbaugh, Elvis Grbac, Todd Collins, Amani Toomer, Derrick Alexander and Heisman Trophy winner Desmond Howard. [1].
Professional coaching beginnings
Cameron was the quarterbacks coach for the Washington Redskins between 1994-96. He's credited with guiding quarterback Gus Frerotte to his only Pro Bowl appearance in 1997, and also played a key role in the development of Pro Bowl quarterback Trent Green[2].
Return to Indiana
Cameron returned to his alma mater to serve as the head coach for Indiana University in 1997 - a position he held through 2001 where he compiled a record of 18-37. Despite his team's struggles, Cameron helped quarterback Antwaan Randle El develop into a 2001 first-team All-American [3], during which time the Hoosiers averaged 435.3 yards per game.
Back to the NFL
San Diego Chargers
Cameron is well recognized as one of the NFL's most gifted offensive innovators and play-callers [4] From 2002-2006, he served as the offensive coordinator for the San Diego Chargers. In 2004, San Diego scored 446 points, third-highest in the NFL and the third-most in team history. Following the 2004 campaign, Sports Illustrated named Cameron its Offensive Assistant of the Year. In 2005, the Chargers averaged 26.1 points per game - good for fifth in the NFL in that category. In 2006, the Chargers offense amassed a team-record 494 points while paving the way for League MVP LaDainian Tomlinson to break the single-season touchdown record. He recognized as the mastermind behind the development of Pro Bowl quarterbacks Drew Brees and Philip Rivers, as well as all-pro tight end Antonio Gates.
I'll trust Cam!
I watched John Beck play every game his senior year. He is awesome. He's a natural leader and has great QB smarts. He throws accurate passes and always came up big in the big games. I'm now a Dolphins fan!
Before we all JUMP down MUELLER/CAMERON'S throats, let's do a little digging, shall we? As talent evaluators,Cam and Randy reached a decision concerning QUINN that they're too polite to say out loud. This guy is gonna be an NFL bust. How do they know? They KNOW. Let's revisit the 2001 draft, shall we? The CHARGERS can pick WHOMEVER they want and they decide to trade with Atlanta and let them take VICK (QB) 1st overall and they instead draft LaDanian Tomlinson. Pretty amazing so far, right? Then, after every other team passes him up, witht the first pick of the second round the Chargers pick DREW BREES (QB). The Dolphins picked Jamar Fletcher, btw. OK, now let's look at the other QB's from 2001 shal we? With the 53rd pick the Cowboys took Quincy Carter. BUST. With the 59th pick the RAIDERS took Marques Tuiasosopo. Bust. With the 109th pick the Redskins took Sage Rosenfels who is in the mix with the Texans and not a bad player, still not a starter. INCONCLUSIVE. With the 125th pick the Giants took Jesse Palmer. Bust. With the 149th pick the Lions took Mike McMahon. BUST. With the 155th pick the Eagles took A.J. Feeley. COLOSSAL BUST. With the 172nd pick the Seahawks took Josh Booty. BUST. And finally, with the 177th pick the Dolphins took Josh Heupel. BUST. In 2001, only one QB chosen would go on to make a Pro Bowl and that's the guy CAMERON worked with. So you like Quinn, huh? Well, what do YOU know? Cowboys LOVED them some Quincy Morgan and The Falcons STILL think Vick is the guy! Do you know what? I'll put my money with the talent evaluators who keep getting it right. BECK in the pro bowl in 2010-2011 and Ginn maybe sooner. If you don't agree then we'll let TIME decide. GO PHINS!!
Viewing things from London, I have regularly watched Dolphins games for 25 years, but don't often get to see any of the college games, so I find that I am often guided in that area by what the press say.
As a result, like many others I was surprised and yes, disappointed to hear Ginn's name called out instead of Quinn, but I have since changed my mind. There are three important factors here in my opinion.
1) The Dolphins had no guarantee that Quinn would fall to 9 anyway, so had to have a contingency in the second round anyway. While strongly evaluating those in the second round, they came across a QB with the same strengths but much less hype. Bonus!
2) Cameron and Shea spent a lot of time working with Quinn, and despite saying they were impressed with Quinn, they still chose Beck. These guys know their stuff, and have obviously seen something that they like.
3) Beck will cost Miami millions less, leaving us able to compete better in free agency in the next couple of years.
I also believe that (assuming Green joins) we will now look to trade Culpepper and Williams, giving us a large crop of draft picks next year too. Cam was never going to look at this as a one year plan. It will take time.
Since the draft, I have been very impressed with what I have read about John Beck from people who have seen him play regularly.
I'm really looking forward to the new season, and I'm not disappointed about landing Ginn either, because if he is fit, then he'll stretch the field, and we'll find out whether Chambers really is good enough, as he'll have more room to show what he can (or can't) do.
Please don't boo Ginn, or anyone else on our team for that matter. The team will not be helped by any negativity, and the opposition feeds off it too. People at the game are there to support the team. If all you want to do is boo, then stay at home.
One final word. How do the Patriots always seem to have loads of picks? They could even give us two this year for Welker and they've still got two extras next year already!
Okay, okay. Maybe I was a little too harsh on Ted Ginn. It was a heat of the moment thing, and I was still angry over the pick. Needless to say, it's Monday morning and I STILL don't like the Ted Ginn pick. However, I won't boo the guy, because it wasn't his fault he was drafted here. However, I won't cheer for him either, until he shows me that he's worth or even close to being worth the money the Dolphins are about to pay him. As far as I'm concerned, Ted Ginn has to EARN my support.
Ginn is a bad pick at #9, Quinn was a good pick #9. Quinn is 4 years younger than Beck, and Ginn is too light to last in the NFL. Keeping Wes Welker would have been smarter or trading for Randy Moss and keeping Culpepper. Now we have Cleo Lemon as the only QB that can start come September. Not good at all!!!
We are dolphins fans, so we need to believe in Cam-Mueller, If they think that Beck can be the next QB Franquise, We need to trust in them. Cam saw anything about Beck, We have wait the first Beck-Ginn combine to TD to start to believe. Be patience partners.
I watched Beck play all four years at BYU, where I did my undergrad. He improved more and more each year. Just go to YouTube and search for "beck byu utah" and tell me you're not impressed. One of the best college football plays of 2006. The guy is amazing, classy, and a gutsy QB. You are lucky to have him, and once he starts, the Dolphins will have most of the BYU Mormons in the U.S. cheering them on! Go Fins!
Whenever Miami didn't pick Quinn for the ninth pick I was so happy because I knew that they were looking to get Beck in the second round. I have seen both QB's play and by far I think Beck is better. He has the guts, the smarts, and the arm to make it happen for Miami. Beck was the perfect choice, think about it who would your teammates respect more come next year, Beck who is closer to their age or Quinn who is this young, pretty-looking, golden boy from a high profile program. Plus Beck is real competitive so all this stuff about people wanting Quinn over Beck is just going to fuel him to prove you guys wrong (think what it did for McNabb), so keep it up...
is tom brady a pretty boy?...and he has won a superbowl an by my guess another one now since moss will be joining the team...and what did we get???
a reciver /slash kick returner that was suppose to be ranked in the 2nd round and a quater back that EXPERTS!!!!!! have ranked at 40.......and quinn going to cleveland
would have been better to draft quinn cut caulpepper trade for green and were set for present and future.....ask coach cam why he didn't pass up rivers or brees when he was coaching in san diego...CAUSE SAN DIEGO NEED A QUATERBACK.....NOW!!!!
couldn't we have gotten quinn and then beck in the 2nd round ????????????????????
dc
and as for fueling beck cause of all the bad press....geeeezzzzz what do you think quinn will be thinking being passed by 22 teams ....he already said this will be motovation for him to prove everyone who passed how wrong they were....and i am sure miami will be atthe top of the list
dc
Oe it hurt when the dolphins selected Ted Ginn Jr in the the first day,they should have traded down to pick 15 or 16 if they wanted to do that to have more valuable picks in the draft.It was a reason why the dolphins didn't select Quinn,there had to be a reason why.It hurt me awfully ,because I was in the draft bubble when they made the selecton.But after I saw who they selected the first day it made some sense to me,and this is what sits in my mind ,they would have TAKEN quinn with the 9th overall pick no doubt unless there was a good reason for them not.I know it and other dolphans know it too it hurts like hell right now but ginn is good too and Cameron knows his offense.I really hope it starts to make more sense to me as time goes by but for now I'm Devastated.And Lorenzo Booker is a late first/early second round pick to me so Im very excited.
I hate idiots who say "Boo Ted Ginn". Why? It's not his fault he got picked too early. Save your boos for the people who made the selection. Why make some 24 year old kid feel like crap because you guys prefered someone else. Another thing, we took him so we are stuck with him. Making him feel unwelcome and unwanted is not going to help his developement. Watch him become an elite player (although I doubt it) and then leave when he becomes a free agent to go to "a team that will appreciate him"
Trade Down!!! Trade Down!!!!
Well, have any of you "experts" thought about the possibility that nobody WANTED to trade up to our spot?? You can't trade down without someone trading up.....get it? Unless, you pull a Minnesota and just "forget" to pick when your time runs out, and how would you "experts" have felt about that move???
Ginn(when healthy...and outside of Calvin Johnson) was the next best TRUE THREAT that will contribute IMMEDIATELY in key areas of need...KR/PR and speed outside of Chambers. SPEED KILLS! You can't coach speed to improve it. You CAN work on route running and hands(to some extent).....but PURE SPEED...you have it or you don't. Ginn has it. We needed it.
I liked this draft because it IS clear they had A PLAN and stuck to it! We didn't give away any future picks and got good character guys with enough talent and DESIRE to prove themselves!
Let's just see how it goes before we bust down the doors and toss everyone out of the front office, OK?
I keep reading, "boo Ginn, blah blah blah..." That ludicrous...you can't expect that will change anything. What the team needs is support from the very fickle, non-supportive Miami fans. Anybody can cheer for a team that is winning...but it takes time to rebuild, and booing our guys isn't the way to do it!! Ginn didn't pass up Quinn, why boo him for it? Shame on you...you need to Google: "how to be a fan..."
I wonder how many people actually studied the coaches' flim on Quinn. Had he not played for the Irish, we would have not gotten the pub he did. How come no one is talking about the Jags passing him up at pick 17. I'm sick of everyone acting like Miami is the only team that passed on Quinn. If he is that good somebody would have selected him just to stash for the future. This is more than Miami overlooking Quinn, it's about the league overlooking him. How come that is not the story?
I agree that the league passsed on Quinn. Had the Browns not traded for him at 22, the Chiefs may not have picked him at 23 with their young guys. If they didn't, then the next team that doesn't have a QB would have been Baltimore at 29. I'm not that excited about a QB that could have slipped to pick 29. Good job Fins!!
I willhave to say I screamed out when we took Ginn instead of Quinn. Because I didn't know anything about the other QB's in the draft. I knew Miami needed a QB. My worst thought were Quinn going to Buffalo or the Jet5's. They even passed on Quinn. I mean talk about noodle arm QB (jets) or bad descision making OB (bills). We got Marino because he had a worse year as a senior than his hyped JR year. You will not know about beck until he plays. Watch the highlights of Ginn and Beck.Miami says Ginn will heal ok. If he does watch. They say he will get jammed at the line, they better because if he gets passed the corner he will be past the safety before they can get over. Bad route runner(maybe), but quick slant in space and the guy is flat out gone.
Ok, the more I analyze it, the more sense it makes. Cameron had one ofthe bst 2 offenses last season, which let us know he is certainly not an idiot. So it had to make some sense somewhere.
Then I started remembering Quinn´s statements allover: "I'm the best" "I´m competitive" I, I, I all over the place. Just take a look at the face he´s having just before "the pick". One of a total self-awareness, I´m-doing-these-guys-a-favor. You see? Egos do not fit in Cameron´s system and I´m glad. On the other hand, Beck is a guy who has spent several years of his life growing as a human through working for the others in accordance to his ideas... and he can play football... and he does have an arm. A good guy with an attitude. That´s what we needed and not an NFL unproven guy who thinks highly of himself. I mean, we had Marino -the best ever- end nevertheless we couldn´t win it all. The Ravens could with a guy I don´t even remember his name! A team is more than a guy.
I've been watching films of Ginn. He´s fast as a soul escaping from hell and Cameron knows him personally (as well as his family... certainly a comment Cam could have avoided, cause it sounded a little naive), which means he knows his work ethics. Remember Dupper and Clayton? Well this kid is a thinner higher version of Dupper. He can run... and catch.
I´m really getting turned on and curious about the season(s) to come.
Let's support Cameron and our Phins!! Go Ginn! Go Beck! Go Cam!
so how do you know quinn is not a good guy?.....beck may be a good guy withaverage everything and that doesn't cut in the nfl!!
dc
Beck has the Arizona High School record for TD's In a Season 42. 2nd highest Qb rating in the country his senior year. He is a winner.
Let me first start off by saying I'm a die hard Cleveland browns fan. First I would like to thank the dolphins for passing on Brady, although I have a sinking feeling in my stomach that we just drafted our second Tim Couch. Second, as a buckeye fan who watched every single game Ginn played in college, let me assure dolphin nation that you will not be disappointed. The kid is a legitimate receiver who will grow better, and he is UNBELIEVABLY FAST. Heres some proof:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WGyrgqOKZLg
Beck...
But his chances of being a NFL starter seem a little remote so he’ll likely be a second-day draft pick who has a chance to compete for the No. 2 job at training camp.
John Holler, Positional Analysis: Quarterbacks, April 9, 2007
I believe the Dolphins recognised Quinn was not likely to be another Marino and decided to follow another tried and true formula.
Namely the 1972 Phins team here's how it stacks up ot me.
1972 Phins 2008 Phins
Bob Griese John Beck
Paul Warfield Ted Ginn Jr.
Mercury Morris Lorenzo Booker
Larry Zonka Ronnie Brown
No Name Defense Dolphins "D"
It worked before maybe it could again.
Okay people. Assuming Ginn Jr. comes back 100%... He gives the Phins the ability to stretch the defense. The reason we've had 12-play, 75-yard drives is because of an inherent inability to do that. Now they can move Chambers to slot or keep him on the outside, either way Ginn being ON the field OPENS up the field.
I like Beck's maturity and his desire to play for Miami. You may recall that "the experts" said Marino's arm wasn't strong enough because of the way he threw the ball. Obviously, I'm not comparing Beck to Marino, but he does make quick reads and that's huge.
Stop the knee-jerk reactions and let's see how it pans out. Overall, Miami had a good, solid draft (for a change).
Do not boo Ted Ginn Jr. its not his fault he was picked 9th overall pick it was the dolphins.Sure we could have pick Brady Quinn first and then possibly Dwayne Jarrett second but the fact is, how do you expect a quarterback who couldn't win a big game in college, win a game in the pros I believe in the Dolphins and trust me John Beck is decent.
Are we still sore about not getting "pretty boy" Quinn? Come on dolphans, booing Ginn on every play? So low. Show some support for our team, and know that John Beck is a smarter quaterback than Quinn. Better player overall. Ginn? an immediate impact player.
A player with super speed is an immediate starter in the NFL. Wayne H. and TRUE Dol-FANS want to win RIGHT NOW! Ginn will start RIGHT NOW! Quinn was NOT going to be the starter RIGHT NOW. Wayne H. doesn't have time to wait an see if an over-hyped Q.B. will develop in the long run. We are closer to a franchise Q.B. as we were three days ago. I bet you that. It's okay to build for the furure, but for Wayne H., Cam, Randy M. and TRUE DOL-FANS, the future is NOW! Ginn will start NOW!
Thanks to the Miami Dolphins for picking Ginn and Beck. The rest of the picks were pretty wise choices, too. The Miami Dolphins will be a tough team to bet in the near future. I am sure everyone is aware of what a great punt/kick returner can bring to a team. John Beck? Don't mind the doubters, and have faith on the team you say you love, The Miami Dolphins.
Big Kudos to Cam and Muel
I love the picks. Did anyone else notice that Ted Ginn Sr who was Chris Chamber's HS coach?? I love the pick. We need offense. We drafted offense.
I'd have screamed if we had started with another D-line pick followed by offensive players who would be fighting for time as reserves.
All you naysayers also forget that Dan Marino had zero pressure to produce because of all the quarterbacks taken before him. He was virtually an afterthought in the 83 draft.
I love that Beck was taken in the second round. I love the lowered expectations. I remember all the comparisons of Dan to Elway's arm strength.
What distinguished Dan Marino, in a career it was a privilege to watch, was his confidence, accuracy, and judgment under pressure.
As best I can tell, Cam and Muel drafted the guy who has those three skills in abundance. Accurate and making good decisions under pressure. What else could anyone possibly want? I don't understand all the ignorant Dolfans out there.
You want to talk about size?? Give me a break. Dan was big enough - and it didn't stop him from limping around for most of his career. The limping didn't affect his arm much either.
Last point - Quinn at number 9 was a recipe for disaster and Cam and Muel were smart enough to avoid it. With all the hype and expectations, the golden boy would be an odds on bet to blow up.
Even if you thought Quinn was a little better than Beck (that's right about his Quinn's draft grade was), the circumstances would make for an absolute distraction. Quinn going to the Browns at 22 was draft day gift for him, he just doesn't know it yet.
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