Reasons to hate Ginn over Quinn
I'm sure there is a minority out there that thinks selecting Ted Ginn Jr. over Brady Quinn is the right move. Randy Mueller is in that minority. Cam Cameron is in that minority.
I am not in that minority.
Here are the reasons I don't like the pick:
Because Ginn might be a 1,000-yard receiver some day, but he'll NEVER be a 3,000-yard quarterback.
Because Ginn is only at 85 percent right now, still recovering from a foot injury he sustained at the BCS Championship game against Florida.
Because Ginn is not an accomplished route-runner.
Because Ginn has the feel of a guy that might have been available five or six picks later.
Because Ginn's 178 pounds doesn't assure him of being a durable NFL player.
Because I have a hard time believing Ginn was really the higher rated player.
Because Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis thinks Brady Quinn will be right up there in the same conversation with Tom Brady and Peyton Manning some day.
Because, best case scenario, Ginn becomes tomorrow's Santana Moss while Quinn might be Joe Montana.
Your thoughts?
I am not in that minority.
Here are the reasons I don't like the pick:
Because Ginn might be a 1,000-yard receiver some day, but he'll NEVER be a 3,000-yard quarterback.
Because Ginn is only at 85 percent right now, still recovering from a foot injury he sustained at the BCS Championship game against Florida.
Because Ginn is not an accomplished route-runner.
Because Ginn has the feel of a guy that might have been available five or six picks later.
Because Ginn's 178 pounds doesn't assure him of being a durable NFL player.
Because I have a hard time believing Ginn was really the higher rated player.
Because Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis thinks Brady Quinn will be right up there in the same conversation with Tom Brady and Peyton Manning some day.
Because, best case scenario, Ginn becomes tomorrow's Santana Moss while Quinn might be Joe Montana.
Your thoughts?
posted by Armando Salguero at 2:19 PM
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I could understand not picking Quinn (understand, not agree), but why not pick a better player like Carriker, Willis, Revis, Hall, Okoye, or Nelson?
We already have a small, quick reviever in Chris Chambers, we don't need another one!
I don’t necessarily have a problem with not taking Quinn….but Ted Ginn?? We could have got this buy easily in the 2nd round.
You're not alone Armando, I'm as shocked and stunned as you are. Coach Cameron and Randy Mueller better have a REALLY good explanation for this!
Sad sad dat in Dolphinland. I can't believe the Dolphins could pass up a chance at a guy like Quinn, and that they were so fortunate that he could fall to them, without giving up any extra picks, and still not take him, is unbelievable. I like Ginn. If they had, like you intimated, picked him up in the second round, I'd be giddy! They really need a return man (an area they have been absolutely pathetic in for my entire life!) But passing on Quinn is inexcusable! Now I know how it must feel to be a Houston Texans fan. :-( Sad sad day
HOLD ALL CARDS.....The latest NFL rumor reports Mueller was on a 3 day bender leading up to the draft and mistakenly called out to the Bartender just as time was expiring on the pick...."MORE GIN!" After regaining consciousness from his 3 day bender Mueller is claimed to have said "I meant QUINN NOT GINN, everyone knows I am a whiskey man!"
Holy Cow! the fish lay another egg.
It's tough being a dolfan.
Unbelievable! How could we pass on a highly rated QB that falls in our lap and pick someone projected in the 15-20 range? It is a move we will regret for years to come.
It seems the Dolphins are determined to lose. Terrible pick, not only because Quinn was the better player at a position we badly needed help at, but because Ginn was a reach at #9 (and possibly anywhere in the first round). Bad pick value-wise, and just a bad pick overall.
Not to make the comparison the Marino. But I hope we are not feeling like Pittsburg was the year they passed and we snagged Danny.
Armando--
Good rationale for not liking the pick. While I would have taken Quinn (like most people, I guess) I don't necessarily think Ginn is a bad pick. He's a good receiver and playmaker (and we need someone to take the pressure off Chambers).
He's a great kick returner (something we haven't had in a LONG time. Welker was good, but really, how good was he? I say average at worst, pretty good at best).
And as for passing on Quinn, I guess we'll know in a few years. He could be the next Ryan Leaf or the next Peyton Manning. Quarterbacks are like that, though. You'll always be taking a chance. I think we'll pick up a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round, and remember-- the later rounds are where some of the jewels are (think: Brady, Zach Thomas, etc.)
Don't count the Dolphins season as over just yet...
I'm gonna break conventional wisdom and argue FOR the pick. Look at our WR position over the past few seasons. We never have that Jerry Rice, Steve Smith, Terrell Owens, Randy Moss type of reciever. Instead we usually have traditionally poor catching wide recievers who DO NOT GET OPEN at all. They do not seperate from coverage, and they certainly do not have many yards after the catch. Who have we had, Oronde Gadsden?! Booker?! Chambers?! Welker?! C'mon, its time to get some players who make plays. Quinn wouldn't even play this year anyway, so maybe there are better options out there than Quinn. He's always seemed a bit too overhyped for me, sort of a media created Peyton Manning instead of a Tom Brady created Tom Brady.
We are being laughed at up here in Patriot-Country. Ginn won't hold up in the NFL. Another Yatil Green in the making.
Brady Quinn is overrated. I was hoping we would take Amobi Okoye over Quinn and didn't see us taking ginn jr, but I certainly wasnt hoping for Quinn. Sure he plays great against Army, and Navy but when they play USC or LSU Notre dame got smacked. If i knew we were going to have a wow pick I wish we would've taken reggie nelson, but I was in Arizona for the national championship game and for the one play ginn played he scored. I'm a big fan of ginn JR, before the draft started I was salivating thinking about Ginn getting paired up with Vince young and Tennessee, happy he's one of our guys now. Go Dolphins, lets get Beck from BYU
I LOVE the Dolphins for this pick, Quinn is not as good as you qualified scouts on here think, he's a bust waiting to happen WELCOME to Miami TED GINN JR
Who spiked the gatorade in the fins war room. mean seriously we have had 10 starting QB's since the Marino era ended and we pass on a QB with huge upside and take a small, speedy, INJURED, receiver who we can now put opposite Chambers. One question Randy Mueller who is going to pass them the ball Trent Green. Maybe but how much longer is Green playing the game for 3 maybe 4 years, Quinn could have been the future.
Somone was smoking something very strong out in Miami. and hosestly they should pass it around and let all the FINS fans take a hit because I am sure that everyone is shocked, confused, and mislead by this pick.
Show me one FINS fan that was not licking his lips when the Browns passed on Quinn, and then the Vikings took Peterson. Brady Quinn was ours and we let him go. Now I am not going to pretend to know the future but this is going to sit on teh heads of Mueller and Cameron for quite some time.
HEY MARINO ANY CHANCE YOU STILL KNOW HOW TO THROW A FOOTBALL. WHY DONT THE FINS JUST HOLD AN OPEN TRYOUT IN MIAMI FOR A QB.
Marino would be a better choice than Quinn
well...I'm usually at a loss for words...but this time....well....wow. I wonder if somethings going on behind the scenes w/ Quinn? He did Bench Press ,like an Olineman at the combine....drugs maybe? I dunno..pure speculation cuz I can't figure out wny we didn't take and why he is still slipping. I'm baffled.
ARE YOU PEOPLE LISTENING, read my words "HE'S NOT THAT GOOD"
I believe the Dolphin brain trust must have been on conference calls to the University of Pittsburgh and the University of Alabama for consultation when this pick was made. This is a 4 win team that will continue to be such with front office moves like this. And they want me to spend my hard earned money when this is the product they put on the field??
What a waste.... How many more years are we going to suffer. The Quinn pick had tremendous upside. Another example of Miami picking where they didn't really have a major need (see last year's pick for reference)
Major, major disappointment to this longtime fan. Sure, he has talent, but WR is simply not the priority position right now. I was hoping that if they didn't go QB, they'd go for beef up front, the practical approach.
Quinn may not be Joe Montana 2.0 or anything, but given the QB situation in Miami I thought it was the way to go. Do the Dolphins really believe they'll get anywhere with these scrap heap QB's they keep employing? Grabbing Quinn & maybe snagging Green would have dramatically tightened up the QB position, maybe for a while.
Anyone else having Randall Hill and Yatil Green flashbacks right now?
I'TS ABOUT TIME WE GOT A PLAYMAKER. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE HAD A PLAYER WHO WAS A THREAT TO SCORE WHENEVER HE TOUCHES THE BALL? CHAMBERS ISN'T BEATING ANYONE DEEP. THE SECOND TIER QB'S WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST AS GOOD AS QUINN IN NOTRE DAME'S SYSTEM. NOW WE HAVE A DEEP THREAT AND A DANGEROUS RETURN MAN UNLIKE WELKER. WE ACTUALLY TOOK CARE OF TWO POSITIONS WITH ONE PICK. IT'S ABOUT TIME WE GOT SOME BALLS AND MADE A BOLD PICK. CHAMBERS IS NOT ELITE.
Guys, i am listening in England and really shocked.
Do you think Dolphins will trade up to get Quinn and lose some of their other picks?
Absolutly Sucks!!!!!!!!! What kinda boned headed pick was this crap? We should rename this team to the "limping Lemons" Whos gonna throw him the ball?
Huh? Quinn may not be Marino but at least he can move (unlike Culpepper) and throw (unlike Lemon).
Ginn may be the next Jerry Rice (doubtful) but we'll never know because we don't have a QB to throw to him.
Should have grabbed Quinn and used the next pick (at 40) for a wideout. I'm sure there will be one there that will have the same upside as Ginn.
Makes me long for the days of Wannstedt. Did Saban sneak into the war room?
I didn't want Quinn, but ginn? can you say reach? I am hoping to trade ginn for more picks and someone that is slipping.
The Dolphins Offense was bad and their D is getting old.
Let's hope we are all wrong in our pesimistic thoughts.
They could have just traded the pick and still gotten Ginn later. Wasted move. Stupid move. I hate it.
take a deep breathe. this is a gutsy pick. With trent green deal close, this is a team that can make a run THIS year, but the defense is aging.Jason Taylor and Zack cant wait for Quinn to mature. Win now or rebuild for future.
The risk on ginn is worth it. . .a good bet on hopes of Hester-like impact for special teams and another weapon on offense.Hester carried the bears, no?
Risky pick? for sure. Gutsy. You bet.This coaching staff is sending a clear message with this pick and joey porter. We are making a run THIS year. A gamble worth taking. This pick sends a message.
Unless this guy can produce like Devin Hester then this is a complete waste of a #9 overall.
BREAKING NEWS!
Miami Dolphins admit typo with #9 selection.
"I had some mustard on my finger from a hot dog when I was typing up the draft pick," admitted Dolphins coach Cam Cameron. Adding, "You know, I wanted to type in Quinn but hit the G and we ended up picking Ginn. It's not the worst typo in the world. I mean, it's not like I typed in 'Jamar Fletcher' or something."
Seriously, Miami has lots of needs. Now they'll get Ginn and a QB in round two. Everyone bashing the Raiders for picking Russell instead of WR Johnson. Well, didn't Miami do the opposite in picking the WR?
Ginn was a stud at OSU. He'll be a good receiver and kick returner.
Watch the Pats take Quinn. Brady breaks a leg in week three, Quinn pulls a Gehrig & leads them straight to gold. Three years after that, we'll all be reading about Ginn's latest comeback attempt & wondering if Miami will ever draft a QB.
You know what I would like to see? The Dolphins trade their 2 2nd rounders and swoop in to get Quinn at 19 or 20.
We could come out of this looking brilliant if we pull that off.
I'm going to boo Ted Ginn everytime he steps on the field!!!
And all for a reach. I just shake my head.
Quinn is and will always be overrated, which is why no one will invest in him. Why take a guy that cannot hit the side of a barn with a football? He is not accurate which is a necessity in the pro game. No offense to the media who over-hyped this guy, but Quinn will never be a marino---The Dolphins are on track. Frankly, I will be surprised if Quinn makes it out in the 1st round. Good job Mueller, and Cameron.
armando, you prove your an idiot every day...
take a cool pill
This is THE dumbest draft pick I have seen. Being from Ohio, I have seen Ginn and Quinn many times. I predicted Quinn to be a Heisman trophy winner sometime in his college career back when he was a freshman. If it wasn't for Weiss, he probably would have. He never improved after his sophomore year. The Dolphins are in need of players in many positions. I think if they wait until the last couple of rounds, they can get Matt Gutierrez who should've been Michigan's starting QB the last 3 years. I would've taken Staley, Olsen, or Alan Branch at this time. Could you imagine the pressure they could put on a QB with Branch, Thomas, and Taylor! If they wanted a receiver, why not Bowe, Meacham, or Gonzalez? They are all 10 times better than Ginn. Speed doesn't mean anything if you can't catch the ball.
Dude go back to Ohio, fake Dolphins fan, you are a BROWNS fan
Yes Quinn is a BROWN
Another first round joke.
Ginn is ok, but you cant pass up a possible franchise qb for a reciever that was picked way too high. Cleveland was smart to trade up to get Quinn.Will someone please learn how to draft players in Miami. Havent had a good draft in years.
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The Browns gave up a 2nd and a 1st for Quinn so he better be good. There was a quarterback once that slid to the late 1st round that worked out alright. I hope that Quinn is not in that caliber or we will be feeling a lot like the Steelers did.
Well, at least we know that we will have a high draft pick next year to screw up too!
Wow, a kick returner. Yeah, last year Hester carried Chicago, until they ran into a team with an actual QB behind center. Then they got waxed, due in part to lousy QB play.
I was hoping new management would make these "WTF?" moments a bad memory.
PUKE!!!!!! Ted Gin and the Gin family? Who cares about the Gin family unless they can plan QB.
Bring Don Shula back!!! Cameron you have started on the wrong foot
Can we play all of our games in England this season? I don't want to see Cleo Lemon all season long.
Does anyone think this pick could work out? I thought Cam was in love with quinn. Does he like Edwards or Beck better than quinn? Why not trade that pick down and get a 2nd or 3rd? Maybe they were expecting Levi Brown to be there and didnt know what to do when he got picked 5th. I hope cam is smarter than us and could make up for it later in the draft.
I cant say I understand it but then again what do I know or do the rest of you know?
I came into this draft thinking we didnt have a chance at Quinn and thought he looked like every other quarterback who was hyped big time coming from college. I thought he was gonna be a huge flop just like majority of first round QB's seem to be. But then when he fell to us I could help but want him.
Bu hey, Ginn is a good player. He probably could have been got later but I am guessing Cameron and Mueller came into this draft going for Ginn and they stuck to their guns.
That being said, like I said, I dont understand the move. Booker and Chambers are solid players. But who knows, maybe Chambers has been talked about behind the scenes to be traded.
This pick looks like a bust now but lets just wait and see. Ginn could be the next Steve Smith or Santana Moss for all we know.
This team has made blowing draft picks into an art form. This may be the worst.
The Ginn FAMILY? What the hell does that mean?
I don't want anyone's family unless it's Peyton playing first string QB, Eli playing second string QB, Archie cheering on the sidelines, and Mrs. Manning making buscuits at home...
Cameron says some really stupid things...and I'm still hoping that getting rid of everyone in our recieving corps--McMichael, Welker, Booker?---will work out---right now we've just gotten rid of people without replacing them with upgrades....
I don't understand the pick at all either. Only thing I can think of is Miami is betting someone like Beck will be there in the 2nd round. They better hope they are right. Ginn is a good player but not good enough to be drafted at #9. What they should've done if they weren't going to draft Quinn was trade down and get another 2nd rounder out of it. STUPID, STUPID, STUPID!!!
ARE YOU F*CKIN KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!ARGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!! TED GINN!?WTF OVER!WE HAD A FUTURE QB STARIN US IN THE FACE OR AT LEAST AGOOD DT AND WE TAKE MOTHER F*CKIN GINN!?I'M ALMOST ASHAMED T BE A DOLPHINS FAN TODAY. WHAT WAS CAM THINKING-this kid better do somethin special next year for Cam's sake or people will be beggin for Nick Satan to come back.i'm in total shock and couldn't be more dissapointed in our new coach.
Quinn is way overrated, scouts feel a few of the second round QB's are his equal. Remember, 20 others teams passed as well.
Wasn't hoping for Ginn but a big need on the team is athletic exciting talent. Now we have a potential gamebreaker.
Not a bad pick at all! as one of the poster previously mentioned, this takes care of our need for an explosive returner as well as adds on offense at WR. This is a 1st round pick that will immediately contribute year 1. Were there other picks? Sure. but had they gone any other way with this there would have been those who quickly become nay sayers and spout their pessimisms. I am confident that we will pick up a qb in this draft. but I'd like to see the 1st rounder make an impact immediatly.
Until everyone stops buying tickets and paying for these high priced mistakes we will continue to have to deal with the Jamar Fletcher over Drew Brees picks. Time to let the owner know through his pocketbook that the fans are not happy!
Well, this must mean Culpepper is getting healthy and ready to launch bombs downfield for Ginn.
We still can get a good QB and CB or lineman in the 2nd round.
Maybe I was reading another article because I don't think anybody compared Quinn to Marino or Montana.
with ginn and healthy culpepper we can open up the middle for chambers in the passing game and spread the field for brown/williams in the running lane.
Ted Ginn should send Devin Hester a case of Champagne. Thanks to his season as a breakaway return man, all of the sudden everyone wants a guy like that. If Ginn can add two or more touchdowns to our special teams he will be worth the pick this year.
Well, if we draft a QB this year, he'll be learning the playbook.
Hope Culpepper has been digesting the playbook when he's not rehabbing his knee.
Remember Coach Cam sent Quinn part of a playbook a few days prior to the interview and was quizzing Quinn on it. I trust Coach Cam - he must have seen something that says Quinn is not all that special.
Ginn will be a nightmare matchup if he develops well in the preseason.
This kid has also run and pass for TDs...he was a high school QB, WR, and CB. Played CB when he first showed up at OSU then moved to WR. Even at OSU he's had receiving, rushing, and passing TD.
I love this pick! Ted Ginn is a gamebreaker, someone who anytime the ball is in his hands the highlight reel starts to record it. Brady Quinn might be a good Qb someday but in the past he disappeared in all the big games. How many top ten teams and bowl games did he win? None. Terry Shea worked with Quinn extensivly before coming to the Dolphins if he thought Quinn was the real deal do you think we would be having this conversation right now? Great pick Cam don't listen to the haters who will be cheering like mad fools when Teddy breaks off big returns and catches for TDs!
My biggest proble with the pick i we didn't trade down to make it. I'm not ready to run Cam and Mueller out of town yet they can redeem themselves if they can pull off getting either kalil or blalick for the O line and one of Beck, Stanton or Edwards with our second round picks.
reasons?how about the fact that quinn pretty much choked in each big game he played in college!he was thoroughly outplayed when matched up against russell!cameron did his homework and the guy didn't measure up! i don't like the pick either, they could of had ginn by trading down and got another pick or two,but it's done and we move on!let's just hope quinn is only mediocre as i believe,and not another brady as some are saying!
the franchise has been set back another 5 years. The pressure on Ginn to succeed will be immense as he will forever be compared to Quinn.
No wonder the Saints have sucked forever. Way to go Mueller and Cameron.
Let's pick a punter now in the 2nd round.
Did Cameron and Muller ever read "Drafting for Idiots"
its going tobe a very long 3 years, yes thats right 3 years thats how long its going to take mr. wayne to let these 2 guys go.
Is Ginn another Randall Hill and Yatil Green? Or is he anothr Hester? Only time will tell. He has way too many downsides compared to upsides to justify this first-round pick.
There is no way you can justify this pick. I hope the fans boo him when he steps foot on the field in mini-camp.
Greetings from Montreal!!!Ginn over Quinn!?!? WTF!!!
Quinn disappeared in big games.
Ginn...
9/9/06 Showed up AT TEXAS (ranked #2 at gametime) against Aaron Ross and Michael Griffin (who both went at #19 and #20 in the draft), torched them for 5 rec./97 yds/1 TD.
11/18/06 VS. MICHIGAN (ranked #2 at gametime) went against Leon Hall (drafted #18), went for 8 rec./104 yds/1 TD. Also had 5 returns for 105 yds.
1/8/07 VS. FLORIDA (ranked #2 at gametime) Ran the opening kickoff for TD before getting injured. Remember how Gators were gameplanning around him?
Oh, 1/2/06 against Quinn's ND team in the bowl game - Ginn's stats: 2 carries/73 rushing yds/1 rushing TD and 8 rec/167 rec yds/1 rec TD.
Quinn's stats that game: 29/45 passing/286 yds/0 TD, 10 carries/9 yds/0 TD, sacked for -41 yds, loses the game.
Ginn showed up at big games and performs.
Quinn dropped to 22 which is further than where you thought we could get Ginn--so what's the problem? We really need OL
I love this pick. I have been saying our week link was the WR position. We ned to sorround our QB with quaility people. And then Beck was my second rated QB behind Russell. So I am a happy one.
Oh...my...GOD, the Dolphins have DRAFTED A QB!
Obviously the focus in this draft is to save money on uniform lettering.
Just like I said at 2:52 pm, we got John Beck, who's just as good as Brady Quinn. Now that we have our qb we can fill other needs and it's nice to already have ginn jr. All is not lost
I wrote a bit earlier in this blog. I'm willing to give the fins brain trust the benefit of the doubt here, now that they got Beck. Obviously alot of other teams had ??? about Quinn and he may not have been as good as advertised. Especially if Cameron, who is a bit more experienced in judging qb's, decided not to pull the trigger on Quinn. People tend to say we haven't had a qb since Marino and thats true, but we haven't had a playmaker here either since Duper! That's even longer! Let's hope Ginn can end that draught!
If the dolphins wanted a qb and wr tandem at the top of this draft, why not quinn and jarrett??? Beck and ginn??? WTF!!!!!
Well, I believe we are now officially the Detroit Lions of the NFL. Destined to pick in the top 10 of the next 50 NFL drafts and determined to make stupid picks. Can anyone say "Kumerow"? Yeah, the stupid picks go back a long time!
Common you all know Quinn is a choke artist. He has bad foot mechanics and has never won a big game. Yet you wanna take him with a #9 selection. He is not nor ever will be a Dan Marino. He is a Rick Mirer watch. He will be a bust in the NFL. He was at best a 2nd round selection. Quinn is the bust of the year in this years draft.
I have been a Dolphin fan since before Marino. I also attended BYU. So, on Sat I watched a BYU game and on Sun a Dolphin game. This last season I was impresed with Beck's performance on the field. But I would never dream that he would be a Dolphin some day. In fact when we passed on Quinn I was shocked. I was counting on that ever since last Nov. Now, what can I say? It is like having a dream come true. Good move.
Armando, perhaps we should consider that the Dolphins weren't impressed with him. If Beck is the guy whom they feel could be the answer, they played the draft well and we should complement them. Mueller's reputation for drafting QBs is exemplary. I'll trust his judgment over Mel Kiper's any day.
I'm sure that almost no one, except
those pseudodolphans living in
Ohio, had heard about this guy Ginn.
Just take a look on the past first
draft QB picks. Most of them have
made an impact on their teams.
Miami has instead hired Fiedler,
Feeley, Suckpepper, little Joey,
and other second rate QB for the
last years. So I´m sure Quinn could
have not been worst than them and
at least Miami could´ve given him the benefit of the doubt. Specially when our last first draft picks
have sucked in al possible ways.
Ginn is on its way. Why in the world we need a kick returner ?
Have you seen a team winning the
SB thanks to its kick returner ?
Not even Hester !!!
If Miami had had the 1st draft pick
overall Cameron would picked a
kicker instead or J.Russell.You
know to replace Mare.
Gizz the staff's decisions make me
sick
i do understand drafting ginn but not w/ the #9. chambers is an underachiever. we need help w/the o-line. i guess i'll have to trade for a qb in madden 08 and get the 1 we could've gotten. don't know about kolb (look @ the past houston qb, andre ware, david klinger). we should probably gotten okoye as the #9. we still don't know how to draft. shame shame
I love you dolphins...no matter what you do. You can never break my heart.
I am sick to my stomach! Does anyone in Miami have a brain??? My god! I feel like throwing up! We were very lucky to get a shot at Quinn, and we blew it! All we got was a Wes Welker replacement! In my mind, we should have kept Welker, and picked Quinn! Another flop for Miami. This year I'm going to play old vhs tapes with Marino, and pretend were a winner.
Sure Quinn might end up being a bust, but that applies to any newly drafted QB. Some work out, some don't, but you take a shot when someone that highly rated falls into your lap.
He surely had more potential upside than a kick returner.
Kick returners don't get drafted at #9.
By the time Beck figures out the NFL game, he will be in his 30's. At best, he will have like two good years.
Wasn't John Avery drafted by the Dolphins because he was q good return man? It doesn't seem to matter who is the coach...the Dolphins manage to mess up in the draft every year!
I simply don't understand...I wish I could post a "why?" statement but it wouldn't do any good. I was shocked and disappointed at the pick for two reasons:
1. I've been a fan since 1984 and we've always been able to get out of a slump. It doesn't look like we're getting out of this one any time soon.
2. Being a fan, I spend money on being a fan. Until I believe (and see) that this organization is beginning to make wise personel decisions, I refuse to spend another dime. These business decisions concerning players seem irresponsible right now.
Is anyone actually shocked at this pick? Even if they selected Quinn he would have sucked as soon as he put on that queer helmet. Ginn is the 2nd coming of Yatil. By the time Beck gets to start he'll already be over 30yrs old. We suck. Huz should fire the entire drafting crew and Mueller and Cam for this. Go get Marty Schot, he's the reason they were 14-2, not Cameron.
At first I was p!ssed when we didn't take Quinn, I dont mind Ginn Jr but thought we should have moved down to get him.
Think Devin Hester! I think replacing Welker (who I loved) with a real threat of breaking one every time he touches the ball is a great move & I think they did a good job filling holes the rest of day one. I'm thinking these guys see something special in Beck. Hope they're right.
On kickoffs they can put L Booker & Ginn Jr back there...that is a threat. Remember special teams is a 1/3 of football.
I think it was a mistake to have not taken Quinn, but I see what the staff is trying to do. There is so much help needed on offence that they may spend their entire draft on it. The only problem I have is picking a WR that drops balls, is paper thin, isn't known for going over the middle and for toughness for cripes sake he hurt himself celebrating and can't run consistent routes. Thank god we also drafted his family, I here his mom is great against the pump and run. Buy five extra JUGS machines and place them in a circle put Ginn in the middle and lightem up. P.S while your at it stick Chambers in with him.
I have to laugh at the people saying Quinn is overhyped or not a good QB, etc etc. Yeah he threw 69 TD passes in two seasons..apparently all against Army or Navy...but he can't play and isn't accurate, yada-yada.
Quinn is a very good QB. I'm a Cane alum so I have no ND bias..but he's very very good. Big, strong, smart...no he didn't get the best results vs teams like USC and LSU but so what? It doesn't help when the ND defense is giving up 40 points to these people and making your offense be one-dimensional.
Quinn would have been a great pick for us. Ginn is too small, is banged up and probably would have been around two rounds later. Ginn will be great when he returns a kick to the 35 or so then the Dolphins go 3 and out on offense or turn the ball over.
Another colossal misfire by this franchise.
the Dolphins have sent me a clear picture...Don't attend our games! We will do whatever we can to anger our FANS!!! If this didn't work, just wait till next year when we get to pick in the top 3!
If Quinn was such a great prospect...Why didn't anybody move up and get him after we passed on him?...Hmmmmmm!!!!
im ok with Cam/mueller not going for brady quinn, thats ok. they evaluated him, and I respect cam's knowledge on QB's. I don't really like ted ginn. But what I don't get is why they didnt trade down if they wanted him? Armando can you please find out why they didn't do that.
Wow, we got Lorenzo Booker. I am real excited about that pick.
Yall remember that Booker was a higher rated prospect coming out of high school than Reggie Bush. He has the same athletic potential as Bush and can catch just as well as Bush can. Booker never had much of a chance to succeed at a Seminoles team with a stillborn offense.
We might be sitting on a sleeper. Or he might be a huge bust. But it is definately hard not to be impressed with a player with as much athleticism as Booker.
Now we definately need to deal Ricky Williams and get whatever we can for him.
In my view Quinn is no Brees so i dont understand why everyone is crying, I think we can get a better QB in next years draft anyhow by trading up then. If we really wanted to great QB, we needed to trade up to #1 and get him, not take whats left over! Just off hand i think the kid from Louisville Ky is way better then quinn and we can get him next year.
its gonna take atleast to years to fix this team and OL's need to come before a QB unless you have the chance to get someone great which quinn is not..I also must add that Miami has never had a great punt returner EVER nor anyone that is not only that fast but very skilled. We have not had a grest WR since before Shula retired and i think its about time we tried to get one.
Quinn is over rated, you guys will be glad we waited till next year to get a QB like Brian Brohm and unlike some robin hoods, Brohm does not choke in the big game. Why do you think so meny teams passed on him, 20 other teams must have seen what we didnt by not taking him. Its just too bad we didnt go after a QB in last years draft when there was more then one great one to be had but no, we take a safety????
Ginn might have been a reach but Quinn would have been a mistake! Clearly Beck in the 2nd round was better value than Quinn at 9. The Fins spent the entire 15 minutes trying to trade out of that pick but in the end, they made a gutsy decision. Good for them!
The one thing that nobody realizes is that we have a HUGE problem at wide receiver!!!! Chambers is not a primary target!!! We need to crystalize the mirage that we have a good receiving corp and realize that it's not a group that we can win by. We have no receiver that catches reliably, and maybe that's what Ginn gives us. Plus, is it me or does nobody notice that Quinn had an unspectacular senior year. He looks great but isn't really that spectacular of a decision maker!
Cleveland, Minnesota, and Philadelphia passed on Brady Quinn. Philly picked Kolb in the 2nd round and could have picked Quinn when their number came up in the first round if they thought he was worth having. So Mel Kiper and crew feel Quinn was better than four GMs on Pro Teams. Why isn't he working as a GM in a franchise somewhere?
We have a playmaker who is a threat when he touches the ball. He'll play this year. Beck is a mature, polished QB who moves well within the pocket. He doesn't have a canon for an arm but he is accurate, goes through progressions very well, had a 70% completion percentage, a great TD to INT ratio AND can win big games. I'll trust the four GMs that passed on Quinn before I'll trust the talking heads on TV. I think we'll see Beck behind center before the end of this season - even if in a mop-up role. I think we saved ourselves a big letdown with Quinn - Charlie Weiss notwithstanding.
Mueller is not stupid. Cam is not stupid. They have brought in speed with Ginn and Booker, improved the OL, and have a mature and polished QB to groom.
It's easy to get caught up in the hype but in looking at the picks, the plan is apparent and I think we'll be surprised at how it unfolds. I hope so at least.
Brady Quinn is a media golden boy. Totally over-hyped like a certain someone by the name of Harrington. Remember him? Quinn disappeared in numerous big games and his accuracy is questionable. I take it since he's on NBC every Saturday afternoon with his polished golden dome and touchdown jesus smiling on him, he's the next Joe Montana...give me a break man. Look at all the hype that came with Eli Manning, 3 years and counting and he's still shaky. Ginn at 9 is a bit of a stretch but quit all you're yappin' about Quinn. He's someone else's over-hyped, media darling, golden boy now.
Boy! We have alot of smart arm-chair GMs here in Miami, don't we????
This is the first Dolphin draft in YEARS that I have been excited about!!! We grabbed a playmaker who can turn ANY touch of the ball into a TD. Chambers is doing cartwheels over having a real running mate on the other side of the line. As for Quinn, any big time team with big time talent whipped him with regularity.. USC, bowl losses to Ohio State and LSU... he's, at best, the next Jim Harbaugh... and the picks since, I've loved... Randy is doing a GREAT job! Keep it up!!
This is bloody frustrating. We pass on Drew Brees twice! (Once in the draft and then we get Daunte Culpepper instead of Brees) Now we pass on another franchise QB. We could have gotten a receiver next year because this year would have been his year to grow. Now we will suck next year and then have to draft a new QB next year putting us one year behind.
Shout out to ALL you Quinn Lovers!
How many years experience do YOU have evaluating NFL talent? My guess is ZERO! Cam and Muller are not Wanny/Satan and Spugeman. Give them a chance and we will see how Mr Quinn AKA Mr Hollywood works out!
You said: " Quinn could be the next Joe Montana" Get a grip dude, stop smoking that stuff! Why so many teams passed on Quinn if he was so fantastic? Only to be saved by the browns on a trade he could have fallen to the 2nd round! Taking Ginn was questionable not taking Quinn is understandable!
Personally, I would have loved to see us grab Leon Hall and make our defense truly unbeatable. Ginn was not a horrible pick except that he is injured. Everyone seems to forget that we still have Culpepper who could still be very good. I am more worried about us trading for an aging Trent Green than who we drafted in the first round in a draft where we had 10 picks.
From a Patriots fan to you fins fans let me say we are thrilled you took Ginn. Mostly because we can't stop laughing.
It's the ghost of Erick Kumerooooo!
He's posessed the minds of Cam and Mull to make a screwy pick.Wammeee!
If your picking in the top 10 you better be looking for a franchise player because the chance doesn't come along too often. Ginn is not worth a top ten pick,you loose!
Whaaaammmeeee!
If Quinn is all that, then way did so many teams pass on the guy? Now I do not want to hear about these teams not needing a QB, we all know that is non-sense! If Quinn was really a franchise QB there is no way all those teams pass on the guy, even the Browns passed on him. We got the fastest guy in the whole draft, maybe the fastest guy in the whole NFL and everyone is complaining. For the record what the hell has Quinn ever done? Lets be realistic. We had a pretty good draft, in the end we may have come away with the best of the bunch in Beck. Just remeber Joe Montana...not very big, or fast and certainly did not have the strongest arm that's for sure, but....3 superbowl titles. Lets support these guys and see where this is going.
C A M C A M E R O N . . .
Playing career
A multi-sport athlete at Terre Haute South Vigo High School, Cameron was an All-American quarterback at Terre Haute South Vigo High School in Terre Haute, Indiana. His favorite receiver at Terre Haute South Vigo High School was Chris Dezelan. He won the 1979 Trester Award for Mental Attitude as a guard on the high school basketball team which went to the state finals two years in a row. He played football and basketball at Indiana University under coaches Lee Corso and Bob Knight, respectively until a knee injury ended his playing career. As an undergraduate he was a member of the Kappa Sigma Fraternity. He graduated from Indiana in 1983 with a degree in business.
Coaching career beginnings
Cameron spent the first ten years of his career at the University of Michigan, where he learned from long-time Wolverine coach Bo Schembechler. After two years as a graduate assistant, he became Michigan's youngest assistant and was responsible for tutoring quarterbacks and receivers. He was instrumental in the development of many future NFL players, including Jim Harbaugh, Elvis Grbac, Todd Collins, Amani Toomer, Derrick Alexander and Heisman Trophy winner Desmond Howard. [1].
Professional coaching beginnings
Cameron was the quarterbacks coach for the Washington Redskins between 1994-96. He's credited with guiding quarterback Gus Frerotte to his only Pro Bowl appearance in 1997, and also played a key role in the development of Pro Bowl quarterback Trent Green[2].
Return to Indiana
Cameron returned to his alma mater to serve as the head coach for Indiana University in 1997 - a position he held through 2001 where he compiled a record of 18-37. Despite his team's struggles, Cameron helped quarterback Antwaan Randle El develop into a 2001 first-team All-American [3], during which time the Hoosiers averaged 435.3 yards per game.
Back to the NFL
San Diego Chargers
Cameron is well recognized as one of the NFL's most gifted offensive innovators and play-callers [4] From 2002-2006, he served as the offensive coordinator for the San Diego Chargers. In 2004, San Diego scored 446 points, third-highest in the NFL and the third-most in team history. Following the 2004 campaign, Sports Illustrated named Cameron its Offensive Assistant of the Year. In 2005, the Chargers averaged 26.1 points per game - good for fifth in the NFL in that category. In 2006, the Chargers offense amassed a team-record 494 points while paving the way for League MVP LaDainian Tomlinson to break the single-season touchdown record. He recognized as the mastermind behind the development of Pro Bowl quarterbacks Drew Brees and Philip Rivers, as well as all-pro tight end Antonio Gates.
Another uneplainable choice by the Dolphins. Picking a guy way to high in the draft, he will not last more than 5 years in the league. The Dolpins should permanatly give up their first round pick to another team. In the last 20 years, who have they picked in the first round that is pro-bowler every year? To many mistakes to mention here but I have lost hope now......
I am not sure many of you on here are football fans, much less really Dolphin fans. Someone here posted that we only need one quick receiver. What sport have you been watching. Anyone see what New England has been up to... Wes Welker, Dante Stallworth, and that bone head from the Raiders Randy Moss. That got speed comin' outta their butts now. And you know what? So so we. The phins have added Teddy Ginn Jr, had Chris Chambers, and added Lorenzo Booker who can line up as a wide out. All three of these guys run in the 4.3 40 arena. We got speed. You mix that with Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams and we are quick now. Big play potential come from everywhere. As for Mr. Quinn - do you guys remember someone else last year with accuracy issues... Joey Harrington. Quinn is another Joey Harrington. A first round pick without accuracy. As Cam Cameron said... "You can't teach accuracy. You can make it a little better, but you can't teach it." If Quinn don't got it now, he ain't gonna get it." Beck is a 70% QB over four years. That's awesome!!!
The Dolphins had one of it's best drafts ever. We got the number two rated center in the draft and even drafted another center who can also play elsewhere along the offensive line. I am so excited with this years draft. Cameron and Mueller (sp) did a great job. John Michaels... Mueller doesn't owe you an explanation for anything. For the guy who said Ginn was a great pick in about four or five picks later... Miami wasn't picking five picks later. You get what you need as quick as you can and piss on what the scouts say. You have needs you fill them with what is available when you pick. Great job by the Phins!!!
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How about everybody takes a chill pill and lets give Ginn a chance before we say how awful the guy is going to be. Maybe everybody slamming the guy should get out a fork and knife along with some salt and pepper just in case you have to eat your words. I know one thing the guy will work his butt off and not be a cancer like T.O. or Moss. Go Dolphins
The Dolphins leadership dropped the ball, again. Brady Quinn was available and the QB spot has been our critical weakness since Dan Marino retired. To pick Ginn, who is still injured, over Quinn was to waste a pick. Brady Quinn will rise to be another Joe Montanna and the Dolphins will be kicking themselves for not having selected him long after Ginn has left the Dolphins.
1st, I cannot believe you would write something like this Armando. 2nd, if they had taken Quinn and he fell on his face would you or all these fans have gotten fired??
3rd, they were picking in no man's land. Who behind them would be looking to move up to 9? No one behind them wanted Quinn either so they were stuck. 4th, they averaged less than 17 PPG last year. Add 1 more TD per game in and they are 10 and 6. Drafting an an immature QB (did you see any Quinn interviews) from America's Football Univ does not guarantee success. He tanked it in bowl games the last 2 years.
Brady Quinn is so overrated. I live in Columbus, Ohio and the Browns fans hate that they traded to get Quinn. One Browns fan said he wasn't going to be a Browns fan as long as Quinn was on the team. Picking a gimpy Ginn that soon? Probably a stretch. But Beck will be a better NFL quarterback than Quinn will ever be.
every dolfan that hates the dolphins 4 making bad pick are not real fans. if u were a true fan like me than u would support the dolphins with the decision they make. Im A True Dolfan
OH GOD! Another year of pain. With so few quarterbacks able to make an impact right out of college, we needed Quinn to come in now and be groomed under someone like green for a couple of years and then explode on to the scene. This is nothing less than torture.
Weis talked up Quinn because he's his player. He wants Quinn to succeed so he can succeed in recruiting! Why the heck would Weis NOT say that Quinn is the second coming of Montana or whoever. Bottom line, QUINN IS NOT ACCURATE WITH LONG THROWS!!! BECK IS!
Fish flounder!~ If there is anything we need more than a top quarterback, its a COACH!!!
The BYU quarterback has more injuries than a $5 hooker... seperated right shoulder...
WHAT WERE YOU IDIOTS THINKING!!
I actually like the pick. Quinn was WAY overrated. Another example of a PR machine that made a "stud" draft pick. Beck is going to be the next Brady, not Quinn. Ginn is going to extend the defense vertically along with Chambers and Green is gonna hit the RB's and TE's in the middle...A CAM CAMERON OFFENSE.
He got hurt celebrating a touchdown...how long do you think he's goin to last?
If you believe Charlie Weis, the coach and representative for his QB, then add a bullet to your distinguished resume' "- gullable". His mechanics and footwork are mediocre to horrid. He has an unnatural throwing motion and even when he is kicking up his heel and putting his whole body behind it his velocity is lacking, his accuracy is only above average, and he's inconsistent. His popularity is because he's a proto-typical pretty boy QB who played for Notre Dame and Charlie Weis coached him. That's "IT". I am very pleased we passed on him. It only confirmed my belief that Randy knows what he's doing! If John Beck had been at Notre Dame, he'd be a hero and everyone would be praising his name as well. Hype, Hype, Hype. When I watch Quinn I see AJ Feeley's immaturity, Chad Pennington's physical attributes, and Joey Harrington's career. Go back and watch the bowl game against LSU. That is his future in the NFL. THANK YOU, Randy, for "seeing" what the other NFL teams saw as well as any knowledgable fan of the game!!!
I'm not depressed and haven't jumped out of building yet. Yes, this coming from a guy who's been a dolphin fan for over 30 years. Sheesh I'm old.
Ok - so the draft.
The Dolphins should have traded down and then picked up either Ginn or Quinn and taken advantage of the additional leverage. They knew Clev. really wanted Quinn. Well then - sell out - get creative. Do something for God's sake.
It's ashame to pay too much for so little.
You can teach route running, you can't teach speed.
Ginn won't be a 3000 yard passer, but John Beck might.
And who the hell cares what Charlie Weis thinks, or Mel Kiper.
I'm glad Mueller and Cameron didn't go for hype and stuck with their plan. I think overall, we got good players...
From the first comment....We already have a small, quick reviever in Chris Chambers, we don't need another one!
Are you serious...Look at game film and tell me how many defenders he out ran. We need speed ASAP.
Again...people...look at film. His throws lacked zip, spirals, etc... Brady Quinn will be a dud. The only reason you know about him is because the media has been feeding us that he is a great quarterback. It also helps that he went to Notre Dame a very popular school. I personally think we did good not picking him up.
I was on the highest building in town ready to jump and then....I said the heck with it....they have not been sucessful since Marino left. I am a Dolphin fan!
I will live with it.
I can hardly wait til everyone that thinks Ginn is a bad pick backpedals their opinion in a few seasons. Sure, call me biased living in Columbus most of my life.
I have been a diehard Dolphins fan as long as I have been a diehard Buckeye fan. This is a good pick.
I root for both the Browns and the Bengals on the side. We have a saying about the Browns and their QBs in Ohio, "where good quarterbacks go to die". As a lifelong Dolphins fan, does anyone seem to think we've been mirroring that adage since Marino?
For everyone that wanted Quinn over Ginn, did you watch ANY of the ND games this past season? Crushed by Michigan and they should've lost to Michigan St!!! After watching most of their games, I was convinced I did not want Miami to draft him.
Will he succeed in Cleveland? Maybe not this season, but he'll work. Will Ginn succeed in Miami? No doubt. He is versatile and an intelligent player.
Am I surprised at all by the pick? Yes, of course. I thought we were taking Quinn. Honestly, I think through the seasons this will be the better pick for the Dolphins.
I posted this else where. If Ginn heals he will be a winner. Look at the highlights. They say the press will botherr him. They better jam him, because if he gets by the corner he will be down field before the safety can get over. Put him at flanker off the line and he will beat the jam. All the reports show how he eats up the cushion. This guy is not just track fast he is football fast and most importantly has good hands. He will be double covered most of the time and drag defenders deep even on running plays. Cam said that Houston(10th pick) would have taken Ginn. He is not a reach if he is the guy you want. The fins were trying to trade up after Ginn to make sure they got beck and luckly he was still there because nobody wanted to trade. As far as Moss, please they guy openinly admitts takes playes off because he isn't the primary If he did it before he will do it again especially if things don't go they way he wants.
"Because Ginn might be a 1,000-yard receiver some day, but he'll NEVER be a 3,000-yard quarterback."
-Ginn might be a 1,000-yard receiver, but Beck sucks, ok now I get it. I'm gonna buy a crystal ball too!
"Because Ginn is only at 85 percent right now, still recovering from a foot injury he sustained at the BCS Championship game against Florida."
-Big deal, those type of injuries take some time to heal
"Because Ginn is not an accomplished route-runner."
-And? That's what coaches are for
"Because Ginn has the feel of a guy that might have been available five or six picks later."
-He was going to be selected by the Texans if the Dolphins passed on him. How's that?
"Because Ginn's 178 pounds doesn't assure him of being a durable NFL player."
-Ginn is 180 pounds not 178, Marvin Harrison is 185 and he has 12 years in the league...
"Because I have a hard time believing Ginn was really the higher rated player."
-The Dolphins have quite some time scouting Ginn
"Because Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis thinks Brady Quinn will be right up there in the same conversation with Tom Brady and Peyton Manning some day."
-That's just one man's opinion, if he says Quinn is already better than Marino I'm sure you would believe it.
Quinn sucked until Weis arrived to ND, strange isn't it?
"Because, best case scenario, Ginn becomes tomorrow's Santana Moss while Quinn might be Joe Montana."
-Here's one for you: Ginn becomes the next Harrison while Quinn becomes the next Joey Harrington, you can look at this either way
Nice post!! Beck and Ginn will be tough to beat in a few years..Ginn will be tough to beat next year.
A great overall draft for the 'Phins...
Funny how most of you clowns just sit around your t.v, never even touching the field, yet your so vocal. We have a solid defense, and adding fire to the offense was the best thing to do. Something must have been not to solid w/ Quinn, b/cuz alot of teams past him up also so stop crying. W/ the addition of Ginn, we should have a very explosive offense if our offensive line can hold up. Now, stop the crying and lets see what happens in mini camp
Now, whats funny is the dolpins could have pick up the best QB in college who won the heismen yet we still didn't pick him. John Beck who is he where is from. Fire Cameron b4 he even starts camp! Another losing season, I'm taking all bets!
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