And the new quarterback is ...
In a couple of hours when Cam Cameron has his Monday press conference, subject No. 1 on my agenda will be the quarterback position.
It's not about Trent Green anymore as his concussion likely will keep him sidelined for a while. I would think it might keep him on the bench a lot longer than we think.
But where does Cameron go from here? Does he simply go to the next rung on the ladder and hand the offense to Cleo Lemon? Or does he give in to fans, call it a season, and give the ball to John Beck.
I believe he will give it over to Cleo Lemon. We'll see if I'm right.
What do you think?
It's not about Trent Green anymore as his concussion likely will keep him sidelined for a while. I would think it might keep him on the bench a lot longer than we think.
But where does Cameron go from here? Does he simply go to the next rung on the ladder and hand the offense to Cleo Lemon? Or does he give in to fans, call it a season, and give the ball to John Beck.
I believe he will give it over to Cleo Lemon. We'll see if I'm right.
What do you think?
posted by Armando Salguero at 11:59 AM
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I think he'll give it to Lemon.
The perfect time to insert Beck is after the bye when he has an extra week to prepare. We should just play Cleo until then.
Lemon is in for now. Meanwhile, Beck gets more reps in practice as the No. 2 guy; then he becomes a more viable option as the season progresses--maybe, as David said, after the natural break imposed by the bye.
Meanwhile, even if Trent Green recovers, would it make any sense at all for the team to play him? Will the Dolphins be signing a new No. 3 QB and just put Green on IR?
There's no question in my mind that Cam will go with Lemon. He will not play Beck until he feels the guy is ready, or has no choice due to injury.
And why not? Cam is 0-5 as a head coach and has nothing more to lose by playing Lemon. Playing Beck too soon could cause more harm than good.
One thing is positive, the pick that goes to KC should be a 5th, instead of a 4th, thank GOD! Lemon will get the nod, for at least 3-4 weeks, then its Becks turn
As of right now, Cameron should (and I believe he will) start Lemon. Give Lemon the next 3 games leading up to Miami's bye week to see what he can do now that he will be the "clear-cut" #1 QB. In the meantime, you give more reps to Beck as the #2 QB. If Lemon somehow produces a couple of wins out of the next 3 games, then ride him through the season. If he struggles and Miami is 0-8 or 1-7 going into the bye week, you move Beck up to the #1 slot & start him against Buffalo. And here is my reasoning:
1. (This one will piss off all you "fair-weather" and "doomsday" fans, but I don't really care about you anyways) This season is not "statistically" over. You may stand to reason that Miami was not able to win games in the "easy" portion of their schedule, so there is no way they can win the tougher games, and that's a logical argument. However, until Miami is mathematically eliminated from any possibilities, except for draft order, you need to keep in mind that there are still 11 games left this year. So, it's possible (albeit unlikely) that they could end up 11-5 or 10-6 still, which would put them in the running for a Wild Card berth. So, you can't just start Beck because you think the season is done because ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN on Sunday's (everything football fan knows this to be true)
2. If you let Lemon play for a few games & let him attempt to develop timing with his receiving corps, you may find out he is a decent QB. And that gives Beck some more time to watch someone else & learn another side of the position. If not, then you know he isn't anything more than a backup QB (if that) and you can look to dump him at the end of the year.
3. (This is an argument for not keeping Lemon in if he struggles in the next few weeks before the bye) If Beck is to be the QB of the future, we need to know if he can handle the job. Assuming Miami is 0-8 or 1-7 come the bye, we are almost assured of getting another top 10 pick in next year's draft. Thus, we should take a look at our potential QB of the future to see if he really has the skill to make it in this league. If he is unable to muster anything, then Miami could look to next year's draft for one of the top QB prospects. But if he succeeds, you will know that he is our QB & can concentrate on other needs with our #1 next year.
And before we continue blaming Cameron for anything with this team, let's realistically give him some time to "grow" into the NFL. He has had 5 games to get things changed in Miami & he inherited a complete mess with this team, thanks to all the idiots to come after Shula. Now, if he fails next year, with no significant improvements, then you can make a case to get rid of the guy. But aside from the defense, this team has been making strides as the season moves on (e.g. - Ronnie Brown's 3 straight 100 yard games). Let's give him a full year to implement his system & judge him by his second year.
You might as well blame Capers. He was supposed to be a defensive genious. It looks like Saben work with the D was more valuable than we thought. If we had the D we thougt we were getting this year we would be 4-1. Lets face it, Cameron has delivered with his Ofensive promise, I cant remember the last time I saw the long creative drives we're seeing this year. Anyway, we wouldn't be the Dolphins if both our units were good at the same time.
Am I the only one who gets annoyed reading these blog comments to see people say the exact same things that have already been said several times, just so they can personally post something? I have never posted a comment on here, and the main reason is because I am aware of the fact that no one is going to scroll down to read MY comment that essentially says the exact same thing that "anonymous" said already, and "randy" and "david" said already.
I mean seriously, do the people I'm referring to simply not read the other comments that have already said the same thing that they now feel the need to say? Or do they simply have such a self-centered complex that they unintentionally ignore that fact altogether, and post a comment thinking that Armando was asking THEM personally to leave a comment? In other words, are they actually just simpleton idiots, or do they truly believe that all the people reading this blog are going to get to that person's comment and say to themselves, "Oh, now I believe the Fins will start Cleo Lemon and not Beck... I didn't believe it the other 84 times people posted a comment saying it, but now I'm on board because "anonymous" said for the 85th fricking time!"
Now that was DUMB... So you scrolled down all the "same" posts in this blog and felt so STUPID about yourself, that you felt the need to make us all aware of your stupidity, because you simply couldn´t stop reading something you didn´t like. Thanks a lot for your thoughts!!
Luke Said...
However, until Miami is mathematically eliminated from any possibilities, except for draft order, you need to keep in mind that there are still 11 games left this year. So, it's possible (albeit unlikely) that they could end up 11-5 or 10-6 still, which would put them in the running for a Wild Card berth.
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Quoting the famous Jim Mora: "What's that? Uh, Playoffs? Don't talk about -- playoffs? You kidding me? Playoffs!? I just hope we can win a game!"
That's the first thing on my mind when I read that.
But I do agree with your whole post. Stranger things do happen...
You're right, it's because I felt so "stupid about myself" that I chose to comment on the comments in this blog. Good analysis, really, you're awesome.
I understand I can "change the channel" if I don't like what's on... I get that, and support that idea. However, I guess it bothers me that I'm the only one who thinks it's retarded that if there is a public forum like this, and the topic is (for sake of making a point here) 2+2, then we end up with 104 comments with people all saying "4." I mean, what is the point in that? We know the answer to 2+2 is 4, plus 103 people already wrote in and told us the answer to 2+2 is 4, so why the hell did that 104th person feel it necessary to write that!?
I know I'm the jerk here, but seriously, is there really no one who sees my point and agrees?
Change the channel. Or do you need someone’s approval.
I agree. People are dumb.
Thank you, someone finally agreed with me. Approval? No. Just that tiny little validation is all I seeked, to know that underneath my mean spirited ranting I at least was making a valid point.
Point has been made, and validation has been had.
Go Fins.
Hey, was I the only one who felt like Trent Green going down yesterday was kinda like Dennis Quaid's character going down at the beginning of "Any Given Sunday?"
I was hoping to see Cleo Lemon throw up before calling the play, so he could REALLY become our very own "Steamin' Willie Beamen."
And don't worry, because the "Sharks" did end up losing that first game, and Beamen didn't get his "invisible juice" for a couple more weeks... so it could still happen.
(I just wish we had Pacino as our coach, and L.T. as our linebacker.)
(But I'd still prefer Ronnie Brown over L.L. Cool J.)
Hahaha!
(Please tell me that SOMEONE out there gets all my references.)
LOL I get your references!! Anyway I'm surprised no one has said it so let me " I TOLD YOU SO"
I'm so filled with emotuion right now I don't know where to begin!! OK does anyone now see why I've been so against this whole Trent Green saga!!!
I want that guy who was trying to tell me and others the likelyhood of Trent getting another concussion was slim to nill!!! I wanna hear from the guys who ripped Daunte because he didn't perform while he was here , hey Trent only lasted a half of game longer and his stats are worst!!!!
So lets hear all the he's stupid , he's a loser and all the other names that where thrown at DC because of his performance, don't shy away from the fight now!!!!
If I were Cam, I wouldn't put Beck into the game until I knew that he understood the offense, and until I knew that the O-line and receivers were not going to leave him high and dry, and looking like every other QB that's played for this team since Marino retired.
This kid played great in preseason, and he looks like the real deal. As Cam, and knowing that my future is tied to John Beck's, I make sure he plays only when he AND I both know he is ready. Not before.
DrumFinFan
We need Beck out there ASAP all this bull about his confidence is just that BULL!!! We need to be getting prepared for the first pick of the draft and we need to know if Beck is the guy or not!!! He's already 27 how much growing up does he have to do??? If we pass on a great QB in the first round of the draft this year, and Beck doesn't turn out we're going to be even further behind the rebuilding process than we are now. You say give him a year or two .........the guy is already 27 he doesn't have much time!!!!
I remember many posts here including my own that questioned the trade for Trent Green based on the fear of this exact scenario. Jdizzle said something pretty funny but I don't remember what it was. And here we are 0&5 without a 5th round draft pick while Daunte is taunting us and we look like the most misguided team in the NFL.
Here's a thought, one hit to Cleo and Mr. Beck is the only QB on the roster! We'd better grab a damn QB from somewhere quick...
It was surreal watching Green turn and see Johnson barreling at him. He looked like he was just trying to get to the ground and didn't make it fast enough. After Johnson did the cartwheel on his head I didn't blame him for being a little upset at what he perceived as a cheap shot. I don't think that was Green's intention. But regardless, here we are exactly as predicted so many months ago.
Green should not put himself back out there on the field. I know it's hard for these guys to let it go, but it's not worth living life as a vegetable.
I think we've hit the bottom so the only way to go from here is up.
I think your question to coach Cameron should be how much longer do you expect to be the Dolphins head coach. I have seen better game preperation and planing in the high schools. Let's face it Cam Cameron has no clue how to be a head coach in the NFL, the time for change is NOW!!!
Bing in BILL COWHER
He won't win much for 2 or 3 years, but at least he'll turn this team in the right direction. Relying on Cameron to suddenly grow a football brain is suicidal - and a waste of a perfect opportunity with the #1 pick next year.
And with the 1st pick in the 2008 NFL draft, the Miami Dolphins and Bill Cowher sellect...
You know, as much as everyone thinks we should put in Beck, that wouldn't be fair to Lemon. I know he wasn't fair to Culpepper, but that was different. I think he should and will give Lemon the starting job. At least until our bye week where we'll probably be 0-8. That would be the ideal time to put in Beck too becuase then he gets an extra week of practice with the first team offense.
But yeah, put in Beck... and visit my Dolphins fan site... www.freewebs.com/phinsrock
I honestly have no idea why everyone thinks this is Cam's fault...you make no sense at all and if you think Cowher could do any better with this team you are seriously mistaken. Let's not forget the mess he walked into when he took this job, botched drafts, NO OFFENSE, a solid D, a broken QB, NO OFFENSIVE LINE and a lot of young guys....so he comes in and gets rid of some guys and drafts his team and puts it together and they are 0-5....if we had even half the defense we had last year, even half we would be 4-1 and he would be GOD...stop posting dumb Cowher comments and look at the facts....you sound like a complete MORON!
No buddy you sound like a complete MORON!!!! None of these players that your baby Cam / Muller brought in have contributed anything!! The players making plays where already here, so please stop with this he walked into a messed up situation!!!
You still want us to stand behind this guy when all of the critics have been predicting this exact senario months ago? Not to mention we gave up a 5th round pick for "Mr.Scrambled Eggs"!!!! Please go back to the blogs around March and April and you'll find my post predicting this exact senario!!!!
No doubt in my mind Lemon is going to be the starter, but...
Lemon has 1 NFL start more experience than Beck!!! He's not exactly a veteran. There's going to be almost as much a learning curve with Lemon as there would be with Beck. No matter how long a quarterback is around football in the NFL, he's going to struggle at the beginning of his playing career. Am I the only one who thinks Beck might as well screw up at the same time as the rest of the team. I'd rather have a rookie quarterback throw an interception than a guy like Lemon (who will throw several) and much more than Green (who was making rookie passes when he was supposed to be the stable veteran. Putting in Beck today is no more throwing in the towel than putting in Beck after the bye or Beck next season. This whole team is growing; why shouldn't they grow with their "quarterback of the future".
Plus, I want proof that Cameron and Mueller made any good draft picks last year before I let them choose even higher this year.
I think we all know it will go to Lemon for now, so on another note...isn't it just freaking tragic that almost every personnel decision Cameron has made so far (which for the most part have been PR nightmares) has completely backfired? From the draft, to the releases, to the Green trade...in addition, he has made some serious rookie coaching mistakes and shown little signs of learning from them...I mean, can it get any worse for the guy (besides 0-16)? Is it me, or does his hair look much more gray now?
"that he hasn't learned from" being the operative phrase there...
It's one thing if the guy makes mistakes, it's another thing if he doesn't learn from them.
That's called stupidity.
Armando: can you ask him why he didn't run the ball on 2nd and 3rd down when we were looking at a 56 yard field goal to WIN the game? Gaining 2 yards in those two plays would have not only improved Feely's chances, but if we would have missed, it would have only left the Texans with about 30 seconds to score. What gives?
JDizzle, Please stop with your CPep man love crap. I'll give you the argument you asked for about CPep. We should have never, NEVER taken CPep over Brees and you know it! Compare both of their stats the past two years. NO COMPARISON! That was the mistake. And the other guy is right, you are a moron. No one that Cam/Mueller have brought in has produced? How about Satele,Mauia,and Darius? Ginn is improving every game and wasn't expected to be a superstar his first year anyway so that shows you know little to nothing about football. Takes a WR 2 to 3 years to become capable unless you have C.Johnson type talent. Also he is getting better every game at returns but I guess that's not good enough for you. You need more than improvement. What about our ENTIRE offensive line!? They are the ones blocking for Ronnie and helping him to get all of these yards. Liewinski,and Satele were brought in by Mueller/Cam. (Mormino too and would have been starting if not for being injured) What about Beck and Booker? They haven't had a chance to prove themselves yet but you are calling them both a bust? What about Abe Wright? Taylor and Holliday said this kids going to be a ferocious linebacker but you disagree?! You know more than Jason Taylor? Do you understand that this team is rebuilding and the reason everyone said they would struggle was for that reason and because our players that Saban brought in like Roth, Shelton, etc. and players that were here like Booker and Chambers would all be second string or second and third receivers on other teams? No you don't understand anything about what is going on in Miami so you will blame the coach because it makes you feel better to hate someone. Get over it, Cam will get another year to prove himself and you should choose now. Who do you like better, the Dolphins or CPep. If it's CPep buy a silver and black jersey and leave us alone.
I have to make this comment because I cannot believe Miami has so called fans who are classless peices of shit for even saying "i told you so" and the whole vegatable comment, are you guys even human, we're talking about a human being who was giving his all to help his team make a play, most QB's would have stood and watched. Trent Green may be over the hill but he has heart and I for one had my heart go out to him and his family after seeing him motionless on the floor so all you peices of shit who still slag the guy go into whateva holes you came from. As for the Qb sit now I agree with the other guys who say play Cleo till the bye week and then turn it over to Beck and lets see what we've got before thr draft next year when we will prob have a shot at Long, OT or Brohm QB
Hey NyScott you are bang on pal with your comment couldn't agree more
NY please man your an idoit!!! Does the name D.Bowe ring a bell. Well if not he's a ROOKIE rec for KC that has caught a TD pass in every game he has played in. No we didn't expect Ginn to have a Pro bowl year but the guy hasn't shown anything.
Also I never said that Cam's picks where bust , but they aren't doing anything big!!! Its funny how you support this guy without regard to him being WRONG!!!!! As far as Brees over Daunte , I agree 100% , but that wasn't the chocie Cam had to make it was DC or TG, and he chose WRONG!!!!!
And to UK your another idoit because it was OK to treat Daunte like that, but talking about Trent's scrambled eggs is forrbidden you guys need to get a grip!!!!! Please go back and review all the classless comments made about Daunte, I want to hear those same comments about Trent he hasn't done any better!!!!This just for you UK "I TOLD YOU SO" Dumbass!!!!!!
Hello...... its time to put in Beck we are 0-5 and and we need to see if Beck can lead this team if not maybe we need to draft a QB that can......what are we waiting on.
Hey J dizzle, I never said Trent Green was the answer and i never thought he would be , my whole point is the guy just nearly had his whole life screwed up by showing heart, try showing a little tact. I for one supported the fact that Daunte should have been allowed to compete for the job but after the way he taunted the fans last week who did support him and yes that includes you, he proved himself classless, as for cam the guy deserves more than a season or how the hell do you intend to get a coach, yeah if he blows next season then fire his ass but give the guy a chance to learn, anyway forget Green and def forget Daunte, Beck is either the answer of look to the draft, Daunte wont finish the season in Oakland either, ever hear of Jamarcus Russel, like NY said, if you love Daunte then go follow him wherever he ends but leave the fins to the loyal fans.
I'm a big Dolphins fan and when I was getting ready to draft in my CBS sportsline league, everyone was asking what dolphin players I was going to try to draft. I said, there is only one player I'd draft and He'd be gone by the 2nd round (Ronnie Brown). I'm THOROUGHLY disappointed with Dolphin management, they should of keep Culpepper to see what he could do!! Plus, I can't remember which one of you idiot writers stated that the dolphins could easily be 4-1 with your predictions. This team is a mess and REBUILDING is what they should be doing. Bring in Beck and let him Mature... NOW!
Play Beck. Miami may have one of the top three draft picks in 2008. Wouldn't it be nice to evaluate your current "future" quarterback in real situations before choosing not to draft a quarterback next year?
Why does everyone keep stating I must be a Oakland fan??? Because I keep pointing out the biggest mistake of your rookie head coach???
And what made anyone think Daunte wasn't comming back to Miami to show off?? That makes him classless?? I bet if you where treated like trash by your employer and had the chance to show them they made a mistake you would act an ass too!!!!!
Bottom line you Trent Green supporters have been proven wrong!!! Trent goes out knowing he just suffered a concussion and he has heart, Daunte goes out 1.because he was rushed and 2. because he wanted to contribute, but for that he's stupid and worthless!?!?!? How does that work???
Yeah I would act like an ass but i would direct it at my employer, i.e Cameron not the fans who were split between wanting him out and keeping him, I think Daunte isnt what he was but I wish him luck and hope he succeeds wherever he ends up. My concern id the fins, been a fan since 86 and would love to see what Beck can do but I feel if he doesnt win straight away he'll get torn apart by the naysayers on here, remember a guy called Troy Aikman, 1-15 as a rookie but he didnt do too bad after that, like I said earlier, we're gonna have ahigh draft pick next year maybe no1, lets see what beck can do cos i think he's got the talent to be great but if he doesn'e show anything then we'll have a shot at Brohm in the draft or maybe take Long OT and then Brennan QB
Its simple...right now, this is Mr. Cleo Lemon's team, because he won the right to back up Trent Green. So now Trent Green is out and the backup is in. John Beck now backs up Lemon, so Beck is just one hit away from being the starter. I personally think Beck should be in there. There's no time like NOW for the future of this franchise, but I understand giving Lemon a chance to do his thing and see if he can provide this team with a spark.
On a side note, I really hate it when players go out like this, but Trent Green needs to consider retirement. Two consecutive years with lights out blows to the head is serious stuff. It was an unfortunate hit, the way it happened is a rare occurrence, but it happened nonetheless. Life is more important than football, Trent
Last comment spot on, at some point you have to think of your family and your health, Trent should seriously consider retirement and take up QB coach job in Miami, Let Cleo show what he's got but ultimately he's an UFA at the end of this season so he should be playing hard but my feeling is after the bye week this is Becks team for the rest of the season and I think this kid is going to be great.
I guess no one has the guts to blame Green for his situation. Yeah, yeah...the guy is "a competitor" and "he was just trying to make a play and help the team". But putting yourself in that position when you had the serious concussion last year is just plain stupid. No one, and I mean NO ONE would have criticized the guy if he just got out of the way on that play. It was a foolish move and now he has hurt the team far more than any upside to making that block. I wish the guy well and hope he leads a normal life after football - but that was really one dumb move.
To those guys calling for a new coach (Cohwer or whoever):
That is simply absurd. Reasons for my statement: Historically, it is SAID only Jesus performed miracles and he was the son of God (or God himself?). So, how on earth do you expect a team that has been rotting slowly afterwards for so many years now?
Talking about history, let's analyze some... Jimmy "stiff hair" Johnson was 1-15 his first campaign with the cowboys, wasn't he? And Cohwer? Well, his personal achievements certainly impress and WOULD be an interesting option hadn't been for two reasons: Why would he want to accept to coach again? and second: NO COACH HAS WON A SB WITH 2 DIFFERENT TEAMS.
I like Cameron. A lot. Our offense looks better every week. Brown looks like Ricky Williams with mind stability, the OL is giving time and creating holes, and so on.
The Dolphins had simply too many holes to be filled up, so as anything in life IT IS a PROCESS. Yes, THEIR RECORD stinks, but we who have seen all the games so far can see they're improving, slowly but improving. Players should start working on their psique, though.
I like Cameron.
Jdizzle. 1.You are not a Dolphins fan as far as I can see and you proved it when you said "the biggest mistake of "YOUR" head coach". 2. To your question about how is Daunte classless. A. Going for a touchdown with less than a minute left (could have taken a knee) when you're up by two scores and then taunting the team....classless.B.Yelling at your coach on the sideline,on national TV,in front of the team you are supposed to be leading because the coach takes you out for under performing and limping,,,,classless. C.Being on a boat gambling and hanging out with hookers,,,classless. Disrespecting your new coach in Minnesota by refusing to rehabilitate with the team and their doctors (instead doing it in Florida) and then asking for a raise eventhough you just suffered a possible career threatining injury,,,,classless. D. Making an agreement with Cam that neither of them would talk to eachother through the media but then going out the very next day and handing the media an agenda flyer and breaking your agreement by bitching to the cameras,,,classless. Yeah what a leader this guy is,he's just chock full of class isn't he.
JDizzle, We have to agree to disagree on this and let it go. I never supported Greens ability as much as I supported Cams desire to bring a QB in here that possesed leadership qualities and knowledge of the new offensive playbook both of which would help our rookies learn faster. It's only been 5 games and the offense is showing signs of improvement which is more than I can say about what they have shown in the past 5 years which was no improvement to regression. I was of the opinion that because of the forementioned facts CPep was not a good leader. You also can't say that CPep was "rushed back". That is false. Yes they wanted him out there but he himself admitted that he wanted to come back to contribute so he wasn't completely honest with the team about how his knee was feeling. Part of the blame goes on him. His words,ask Mando. JD If you are a Dolphin fan I apologize and I also ask you to give our coach at least two years before you rake him through the coals. He's a good man and he's trying to rebuild this team. Yes he's a rookie and he's going to make some mistakes,we all do. But that doesn't mean we should hate him does it? It doesn't seem fair to me. Give the man a chance, he's earned that right. Remember, people wanted to throw JJ out on his butt after his first season with Dallas and he made a TON of mistakes. Look how that turned out:)
Man, a lot of you are idiots. Especially you, j-dizzle. I'm almost ashamed to call myself a Dolphins fan, it's embarassing to have my name associated with some of you people.
your an idiot armando. worst blog in all of south florida, congrats!
iiClearly Cleo needs to be given his shot, which I am pretty sure won't last more than 2-3 games, i.e. I doubt Cleo will succeed phinnies...
The bigger question, the one our journo delight does not ask but should, is why did the Dolphins gamble -- and lose that gamble -- on Trent Concussion Green. Yeah, yeah, you ignoanuses here will say, well, uhh, nobody knew for sure..etc, etc. But facts are we had a good idea and Cam chose his sentimental feelings for Trent (and his family of course...and his Missy sure did miss Julie!!), over good football judgement which would have said forget Green and let Daunte have his day.
Do we really want a queer geek like Cam running the franchise? We already see his tragic plans coming to their logical conclusion: losing and Trent headed for retirement on a stretcher. Time for Cam to go.
Wow, that guy who wrote the firecam.com stuff is a cool dude.
Need to step in and defend homeboy JDizz from the wierdo from New Yawk..
Beam up NyScott to reality, cuz its quite clear that Daunte is back and performing at tip top shape, scoring five touchdowns against our beloved Dolphins. When you gonna admit you don't know crap about Daunte or football, NJScott?
Facts are, the Trent gamble was the BIG mistake, Cam is listening to much to his Missy perhaps, she sure does like Julie and all that, but the facts are quite clear and easy for all to see: Daunte is and was the better quarterback but the class-less Cam sunk the franchise because he sure does miss good ole boy Trent and doesn't Missy like Julie so much...its about family, ain't it? NO CAM, ITS ABOUT WINNING FOOTBALL GAMES.
Fire Cam Now!
First I think you all are stupid. the grass seems to be always greener on the other side for our Dolphins. Daunte was a bust, period.. Trent Green was a good Idea but also a bust. I think he might have gotten a little info to Beck though, which I think will pay off in the near future. Cam has our offense rolling so he is doing what he was brought in for. The biggest problem we have is the decision to let all our Defensive linemen go. Carter= big mistake, Zoginia= big mistake, Evans= another mistake, Ogeleye= a very big mistake. That is what this team is hurting from. Who does the blame fall on here? = Randy Mueller....
Well, since we're at each other's throats, thought I'd make a SCORECARD ...
Whiners who didn't like predictions of less than 9 wins .... BIG Dumb*sses
Folks who liked Trent Green trade .... Dumb*sses
Folks who liked ditching C-Pep .... BIG Dumb*sses
Folks who liked the draft .... Dumb*sses for now
Folks who said we're NOT rebuilding
.... BIG Dumb*sses
Folks who read drivel & whine .... BIG Dumb*sses
Folks jump on the band wagon when they read an article instead of thinking .... Dumb*sses
Who be YOU????
Go Phins!!!
I don't get all the people that are saying we need to see if Beck can play before we use our draft pick on a QB next year. I'm mean you don't really expect Lemon or Beck to be super stars early on do you? It's pretty rare for a rookie to come in and produce at a high level from the git go. But I do think we need to give both QB's a chance this year to decide who will be our leader next year, and use our draft picks more wisely.
And another thing, Daunte isn't on our team anymore. If you're a true Dolphin fan you should support the CURRENT Dolphin players!
scrambled eggs anyone?
EVERYONE READ ANDY COHENS ARTICLE ON MIAMI DOLPHINS.COM. It was posted Tue/10/9. Its about why Cam and Mueller ARE the right guys for the job.
Jed, first of all hahahahahahahah. Second, I don't know anything about football? I pose well thought out questions and facts and you always spew Daunte is great and Cams a moron. Yeah you're a football genius. Stop with the ebonics! :)
Look, the best thing to happen to this team was for Trent Green to get hurt. It was a waste of time to begin with. Three multiple interception games, not worth the number on the jersey. I'm just sorry Zach and JT have to labor through another year of bs quarterbacking and horrible head coaching. Cam Cameron should pack his bags and catch the next thing headed 95 north. It's not going to get any better next year. Don't waste anymore time, cut the loses move forward now. This is a very wide open league, and we can't take advantage of the opportunity to be successful because of backwards head coaches, or guys who are good coordinators and not head coaches.
I say give Lemon a try. Think back a year ago when the Cowboys put in a QB by the name of Romo. I assure you no one in Dallas thought he was going to pan out as well as he did given he'd been kickin' around for 4+ years without every showing what he could do. Look at the Delhommes, Bradys and the Warners of the world These are guys who were either late round draft picks or not picked at all that did great things for their teams.
Now... I'm not saying Lemon is the next Romo - but franky you never really know until he gets to show his stuff.
Andy Cohen is a complete moron. How can you even consider him to be a columnist? He's a paid propaganda machine. Just look how stupid he is. Check out this excerpt:
"In Mueller’s case, I see a highly intelligent man who spends long hours at his job, who has a clear vision to turn the Dolphins around and who refuses to deviate from that vision. The worst thing Mueller could do is change directions because of short-term failures and fan expectations."
SHORT-TERM FAILURES? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
It's been 6 years. Wake up, people. Andy Cohen is a fat, dumb, overpaid cheerleader with a pen (and no T & A to entertain us.)
Don't ever point us to one of his columns. EVER.
You got me Pieman! Thanks for the laugh... Wow there is a lot of emotion here. A blog where everyone agrees is no fun at all, this is much better.
UKdude, I don't think anyone wishes ill on Trent Green. I was just pointing out that we had predicted this would happen.
I don't think we should fire Cameron. He has made some poor decisions, but overall the offense has improved and I think this draft could will turn out to be a very good one. Landing Cowher would be interesting but he quit coaching for a reason and it wasn't because he didn't like it in Pittsburgh. The guy took what, 15 years to win a superbowl and as was stated, no coach has ever won with 2 different teams.
The only thing that is true here is it's going to take a couple years to bring this team back to respectability. Firing coaches over and over just leads to more instability and more mistakes. We need to allow something to build here...
Hopefully this regime learned from the Porter mistake. That does not mean that Joey Porter will not turn out to be a good addition when he fully learns the defense. The point here is that a bad team should not be picking up high priced FAs when they do not have at least five years of high level play left in them. That would mean if the guy is older than say 26 we should not good after him. Any FA that is brought in should be brought in under the auspices that he is part of a rebuilding effort and would be expected to be a leader of that rebuilding.
Ricky Williams for Chris Simms or Bruce Gradkowski??? Hummmmmmmm.
All this talk about Starting a Rookie! I have just one name to put out there Dan Marino!!!
I know Beck is no Marino,,But how do we know?
I remember the first time Marino took the field I asked myself " Marino??? who in the hell is Marino"
We know who Lemmon is..he is a life long back up. I say put Beck in and see if he can take it.
I agree guys we will always disagree on this matter!!! But that is what makes a blog good when you have a solid debate with good opinions from both sides!!
You people out there who are upset because a few of us fans go against the grain........ SUCK OFF!!!!
Now my boy Patrick just made a interesting statment
Ricky Williams for Chris Simms or Bruce Gradkowski???
Pat I kinda like it, only thing is Roger Goodell is going to make it impossible ,being that the trading deadline is fast approaching, and he is going to take his time reinstating Ricky. Dolphins will only have three options
1. Let Ricky play and gain some trade value for the offseason.
2. Release him and get nothing in return
3. Don't even acknowledge the fact he has been reinstated and avoid question about him ( this is the choice I see Cam taking) LOL
After a 3-13 or 2-14 or dare I say 1-15 record Cam Cameron along with Randy Muller will be fired, and who will replace them? Im calling it right now Bill Cowher as head coach and Dan Marino as GM. Perfect fit all the way around, the team could only get better with a proven coach and the greatest passer the game has ever seen calling the shots. They would build around what is becoming a solid running game which is powered by one of the better young backs in the league today. A few key additions, and maybe the #1 pick in the draft? The rebuilding process would really speed up. As for the QB problem..... Lemon is not a #1 guy, Beck is unproven and in my opinion will never be a full time starter with this franchise, and for crying out loud, pease RETIRE TRENT GREEN(for your own sake). Draft a top prospect to lead this team back (Matt Ryan, Brian Brohm or Andre Woodson) I like Ryan, I think hes a Tom Brady,
carson Palmer type passer with great Accuracy with limited scramblin ability. Thats it well see.
Armondo,
Your 27 years of covering South Florida sports means very little to people who are punch drunk on kool aid.
You've been critical when called for and reserved when needed. Bottom line is this team needs to see what they have in John Beck. They must know now and not later.
If Beck turns out to be the 4th QB selected in the draft, NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS, then we need to be looking to draft another next year.
Considering the Dolphins dumb history of trading with the Chicago Bears, when does the line of picking up Grossman start?
Here's how it should break down:
Chicago sends Grossman
Miami sends Ricky Williams and/or three Chipotle Burritos. The burritos are really an insurance clause for Ricky not passing the drug test.
Every body talks about Cam´s bad decisions, but nobody has mentioned his decision to get rid of Mare, who might get cut by the saints, for Feely who is perfect on all his kicks.I think Cam´s biggest problem is his play calling, he abandons the run to quickly, on sunday with the game on the line he decided to put the game on his backup quarteback hands instead of his stud running back.
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