Green experiment blowing up in Cameron's face
When I first heard the Dolphins were interested in Trent Green, I figured they were looking for a backup quarterback with experience.
Then Cam Cameron explained that Green is a solid leader, a man who has not lost any of the skills he showed while going to three Pro Bowls, a guy who acts his age in taking care of the football while still showing a spry ability to make plays.
That's cool, I figured.
If Green would play as advertised, even if he could act like a caretaker QB that doesn't ruin things, then the move would be palatable.
Problem has been Green has played horribly two of the last three games and is now tied for the NFL lead with seven interceptions. Seven interceptions!
And that's not even counting the A.J. Feeley-like pass he threw right in Fred Smoot's bread basket that the Washington cornerback dropped.
Look, Green is bright and I think he's a good leader. And I don't expect the guy to throw 30 TD passes. But he's on pace for 28 interceptions right now.
And as I wrote in my column today (read it here: http://www.miamiherald.com/1190/story/257078.html) Green has been doing things smart, veteran players in their 14th season have no excuse doing.
He's been pressing. He's been throwing off his back foot. He has put passes in the air that had no business leaving his grasp. He has not been a wise decision-maker.
Obviously, with 12 games remaining, Green can turn things around. But to do that he has to remember who he is. He has to play like a savvy veteran instead of an overmatched first-time starter. He has to play like the guy the Dolphins said they acquired when they traded for him.
He has to stop impersonating A.J. Feeley.
Then Cam Cameron explained that Green is a solid leader, a man who has not lost any of the skills he showed while going to three Pro Bowls, a guy who acts his age in taking care of the football while still showing a spry ability to make plays.
That's cool, I figured.
If Green would play as advertised, even if he could act like a caretaker QB that doesn't ruin things, then the move would be palatable.
Problem has been Green has played horribly two of the last three games and is now tied for the NFL lead with seven interceptions. Seven interceptions!
And that's not even counting the A.J. Feeley-like pass he threw right in Fred Smoot's bread basket that the Washington cornerback dropped.
Look, Green is bright and I think he's a good leader. And I don't expect the guy to throw 30 TD passes. But he's on pace for 28 interceptions right now.
And as I wrote in my column today (read it here: http://www.miamiherald.com/1190/story/257078.html) Green has been doing things smart, veteran players in their 14th season have no excuse doing.
He's been pressing. He's been throwing off his back foot. He has put passes in the air that had no business leaving his grasp. He has not been a wise decision-maker.
Obviously, with 12 games remaining, Green can turn things around. But to do that he has to remember who he is. He has to play like a savvy veteran instead of an overmatched first-time starter. He has to play like the guy the Dolphins said they acquired when they traded for him.
He has to stop impersonating A.J. Feeley.
posted by Armando Salguero at 11:17 AM
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With 12 games left???
WITH 12 GAMES LEFT???
Armando: you are off your rocker, my friend.
Why would you even CONSIDER letting Trent Green finish the season?
I can't believe he will be playing next week. He's worse than Rex Grossman. He's worse than Griese. He's worse than Joey Harrington.
He's playing scared. I don't blame him; he's 40 and had a load of concussions. But better to not play, than play scared. He needs to sit down and help Lemon and Beck become better QBs. That's it.
Trent Green is done.
For now, we need to bring in "Leo Clemon" for 3 games, and then put in Beck to play against the sorry Bills and build some confidence. I don't care how bad his leadership skills are, his football skills are far superior to Trent's, and he actually has two legs on which he's not scared to run.
Remember Trent Green's intentional grounding? When he had about 30 yards of green space?
That's fear.
Trent Green is a pu$$y. A very smart pu$$y that should be mentoring our younger players. I think he knows that. Time to hang up the helmet and pick up the clipboard.
We can't have any fear on this team. Especially not in a season that completely shot.
I understand why Cam Cameron wants Trent Green as quarterback. He runs the offense better than anyone else he could find. His skills are diminished and he is old but he is teaching. Cleo and John are watching how to prepare, how to direct the offense and how to carry themselves as NFL quarterbacks. This is invaluable experience. Cam is not perfect and I think you saw that with the whole Ronnie Brown situation. He pushed Ronnie to be better and I have never seen Ronnie in better shape, running as hard as he is and even finding cutback lanes. Ronnie is better because Cam forced him to seize his opportunities and Ronnie won't let go of the starting job now. I don't think Cam thought Ronnie would show up and I don't think you did either Armando but he shut you up! Haha... This season isn't loss because of Trent Green... It's because of the defense. I think Randy made the right choices on offense. Everyone is crying about the negatives, what about the improvement of the offensive line? Everybody was criticizing how they were rotating the lineman and how they didn't bring in more talent, but look how they are growing week after week. Nobody is talking about that... Randy got rid of the old guys on defense but you guys are crying about how the defense got old and are suffering from the losses of David Bowens, Carter and Zgonina... So the defense is getting old so we solve that problem by getting the other old guys back.... Makes sense.... I say let the younger guys get in there and learn, Rod Wright, Soliai, Chase Page let them get in there get there butts kicked, watch what they did wrong on the film and then learn from it. This is a great opportunity to find out who can and cannot play.
Anyone notice how Ted Ginn is a better tackler than a kick returner?
Marcus said...
I understand why Cam Cameron wants Trent Green as quarterback.
this is the best comment i have read in these blogs. usually i read thiese things to get a laugh and now i see there are actually a few intellegent comments in here he is right they should not entertain any idea of doing well this year and should let the rooks play. as for the people spreading all of thier venom here PLEASE don't be dolphin fans . you are like the whinning jets fans
thanks marcus
Trent Green is not the problem. The problem is the Dolphins can't stop the run, period. They are in deep trouble. Not just this year, but for the foreseeable future. It will take that long to replace the entire defensive side of the ball. They are only getting older. But at the same time they have to shore up the offense. What a terrible mess they have gotten themselves in. They have been deteriorating for 10 years and have now hit rock bottom. Face it. They are the worse team in the NFL. What a let down this year has been. There is no sense blaming one individual.
We're not that far from being a good team, guys. We need a solid O-lineman to protect our QBs blind-side, a solid D.E. and a solid L.B. to replace J.T. and Zach, a big man to replace Traylor, and two shut-down corners (or 1 and a great safety). That's it. 6 players. The rest of the pieces to the puzzle are here, so long as Beck develops properly.
If we had a decent GM and a coach with an eye for talent (i.e., not Mr. Ted Ginn's Family), we could get 3 of these guys from free agency, and draft 3 others (jake long and calais campbell come to mind).
Trent Green is NOT worse than Grossman, Griese or Joey Harrington. The offense has improved and it's definately a lot better than Harrington's offense last year. I remember when Griese ran this offense...it sucked balls. Tom@jax is right that Green is not the problem.
Maybe Beck should start soon, but I can't understand why anyone thinks undrafted, career benchwarmer Cleo Lemon can do any better than Green.
because atleast lemon can run and maybe make some plays outside of the pocket since our line can't protect people inside it.
Armando-Why back peddle now? You wanted Green over Culpepper.
Once again, by using extreme terminology by saying "Green experiment BLOWING UP in Cameron's face," I have to say that Señor Salguero is a little off base. Armando, I agree with a lot that you have to say, but sometimes I think you're just writing stuff to write stuff.
While I don't think anyone is pleased with the level of Trent Green's play, I have to say that the offense at least looks like the only bright spot we've got going on right now. Ronnie Brown is running with some serious purpose and it was fantastic watching him run over someone on that TD on Sunday. The offensive line while still very shaky, is coming together and giving Green more time and opening nice holes for Brown. It’s a little premature to say that this “experiment” as you put it, is over.
My point is that while Trent Green should still be the starter, his leash should be getting shorter and shorter. Obviously this isn't what Cam envisioned when he signed Green, but I would hardly say that after four games, that this experiment has BLOWN UP in his face. (The A.J. Feely experiment definitely blew up in our faces) We need to get the young guys on the field. Ted Ginn needs be used at WR for more than just a series. Where the hell our 3rd round pick Booker? Where the hell is MARTY Booker? Where the heck is Derek Hagan? If Trent is struggling, or we're getting blown out, put the 26yr old rookie in for a series or two. If we keep losing, we've got nothing to lose by letting these guys play and show their stuff. It pisses me off that other rookies are contributing to their teams while ours barely play, or aren't even active. I like the idea of the “platooning” that Arizona and Baltimore have been doing, and how Tennessee did it last year with Vince Young. Lets get Beck in there for a few snaps. Seriously, if you can explain to me that we’ve got a lot to lose by doing so, then I’d like to hear it.
While our defense is now officially atrocious, its time to let the young guys sing for their supper. Keep them in there. Let them get beat, tossed around, and trampled on. This is the NFL where you need tough love. Put Jason Allen in there. Let him get torched. At this point, who cares anymore? Its safe to say that whatever the defensive “experiment” was or is, that has blown up in our faces. I’m still burning up inside that JUSTIN FRIGGIN FARGAS pulled an L.T. on us….grrrrrrrr!!!!
Anonymous, Thanks for the support....
It's not fun to watch this defense struggle but if you go back about 3 years, to the 4-12 season, the Dolphins couldn't stop the run then. Saban plugged the line with bigger stronger veterans and the defense improved. That was nothing but patchwork. That patch has finally come off and we know have a bigger whole in the defense. Mueller and Cam will have some big decisions to make in the offseason. Obviously, this team cannot go on like this playing a 3-4. Keith Traylor is done so do you look for his replacement? Or do you scrap this defense and move back to a 4-3? Or do you go with ever popular Cover 2? Do you keep Capers or go with someone else? What do you guys think? Sorry Armando, I'm taking over the forum....
Armandope, are you going to write she-it every day ? Go work in another city, like Havanna.
Lemon can run? Why, because he's black? He's a pocket passer, he has 7 career rushing yards and he doesn't move any better than Green.
Marcus (not the first), you are true fan and I salute your loyalty and lucid comments. I normally post in the Post because of all the Negative Nancys around here (that's right, I called you all NANCYs for not sticking up for the Phins!). Kudos to you.
I think Dom has had a problem keeping his standard 3-4 D on the field...too many nickel packages for my taste. So the opponent puts 3-4 WR's on the field...let's see Joey P earn his money...the other DB's are certainly not.
But injuries have kept this D down. The lack of depth is finally apparent, but we had no depth last season and look what JT did? Also, JT had nothing going on last year until that Chicago game. First quarter numbers are in, but it's not time to sell the Phins stock...just hold on a bit longer because I see value in current investments.
And I just gotta say that play by Ronnie completely pancakeing that DB was the funniest and best moment of the season...let's keep that play on loop on the massive scoreboard for the rest of the season.
~Keith in Portland, OR
I tend to agree with a lot of your assessments Armando, but I have to respectfully disagree with this one. As others have stated, it is clearly the defense that is our problem. The inability of the defense to keep opponents out of the end zone may be some of the cause for Green pressing.
I agree that he has made some poor decisions and has tried to make things happen when there was clearly nothing there. But when our defense can not get off the field and is allowing nearly 30 points a game, Green knows he has to score and therefore he is pressing.
With the run blocking coming around and Ronnie Brown finally showing his stuff, it's time for our offense to ground it out. Just run and run and run this will keep the defense off the field. Isn't that funny, our offense keeping our defense off the field.
I agree with your article about the ineptness of our management. Everyone jumps on Jerry Jones for his involvement in the Cowgirls but look at what they have done and look at what the hands-off approach has done for us. Wayne needs to jump on this sinking ship and start baling. Start by tossing Ira Winderman overboard because this guys does not know his a$$ from apple-butter. Bring in someone who knows football and stay involved.
I don't see this getting any better and though I have tried to be patient I think Cameron is losing the team and has already lost the fans. This is an example of the decisions that have plagued this team since Don Shula was ungraciously ushered out.
Change the stadium name back to JRS and take the curse off.
"He's a pocket passer, he has 7 career rushing yards and he doesn't move any better than Green."
U can't be serious? He's played 1 game. Did u watch preseason last 2 years? He's more mobile than Green ever was and many x more mobile now.
They should bench Green or at least platoon Lemon and Beck ala AZ.
Lovie...er Cam say no and sticks with Green this week again.
CCC is quickly losing any fan base support he had after taking Ginn.
BTW, can some coach (I nominate Cam or Ginn Sr.) once and for all MAKE him hit the middle hard and fast on KO returns. He's unbearable to watch -- the same shuffle and run for the sidelines routine week after week.
Bill Cowher! We should be going after Bill Cowher for next season and REBUILD this team... It's been too long since Shula and we need a coach who knows what to do.
Like the late Jet's owner said in last years... I'm 96 years old and want to see a champship.
It's time to bring in the people who know how to fix the team.
The Dolphins have been trying to patch holes rather then fix the problem since Marino retired. Build a team from the ground up not from the roof down. Just to let you know a 12yr. old brought this up on Sunday.
Green is struggling, but he's not the reason the team is so bad. The run defense is the main reason. Overall though I think Cam needs to take the Randy Shannon approach and play the guy who practices best and gives us the best chance of winning. If Beck's doing better than Trent in practice than he should be playing. Same if its Cleo doing the best. Trent's not in KC anymore with willie roaf, will shields and that all world OL protecting him.
It's time to give Beck a chance. Will he do better ,doubt it but give him the chance a young QB named Dan had. Let him take his lumps and maybe just maybe he will be better for it next year.
Tr-INT is the same player he was in KC. Everyone says he's a great leader and great in the community. Great. The problem is he can't play anymore. I thought Miami was crazy to go after him. Regardless how the trade went down, KC was going to release him outright. Edwards saw what all us fans have been seeing for a long time, an older player with diminished talent. Miami got a great person, too bad he can't play football.
We traded another draft pick for a player we didn't need! This is the same stupid moves we've been making for years. No more trading away draft picks! The pick we gave up for Green is gonna be a good pick, it'll be at the top of 4th/5th round! We desperatly need linemen and not just OL anymore we need both now! DL and OL are week, it's gonna take alot of draft picks to fill the holes on our DL and OL!
U say the expt is not blowing in his face - did u see how many Dolphans at the stadium and blog were cheering DC when he embarrassed CC.
What the Dolphins need is some set of new testicles from the top-management... I blame Mr. Huizenga.... The worst thing is that our very own owner is very cheap and refuses to open his wallet; he needs to stop putting pressure on our head coach to make stars out of "nothing".... Ever since Huizenga took over the team, we've seen the most ridiculous organizational structure (Jimmy Johnson had the power, but was constantly slap in the head by the president) and then Dave Wannstedt had to share power with Rick Spielman... and now Cam Cameron has the same power as Don Capers, and exactly the same salary (or am I mistaken).. and refuses to give full authority to Randy Mueller...
On the filed, we need to give John Beck a chance and see what he has and forget about Trent Green's spectacular retirement plans. It's obvious that Cameron is trying his best to revive his career, but forget about loyalty and friendship; we need a winner as our quarterback and be realistic that Green's time is long gone; he is what Dan Marino used to be when Jimmy Johnson put a lot of pressure for him to retire - an old fart... There's no doubt that Cam Cameron is very loyal to his friends, but but he needs to give a few snaps to John Beck and realize that it's very expensive for us to purchase those season tickets.. Which bring me to the my next point; Cam, you truly made a mistake by letting Daunte Culpepper go...
As a Dolphin fan and ticket season holder, I would like to suggest and perhaps request that Huizenga fires Don Capers and Keith Armstrong for being a bunch of cowards and not putting pressure on their players... In fact, if you can help us support that suggestion by putting under scrutiny their career stats and performance to provide us with a comparison on their year-to-date performance...
Defensively, Capers should have waived Jason Allen and bench Travis Daniels a long time for being underachievers; and send a message to Jason Taylor for not being a true leader; for always having to wait for others to start things and not taking it upon himself... and in special teams, we need a leader that will tell the guys what to do and when to do; not keep making up excuses that you don't have talent on the team to play special teams; for that, fire all of the special teams players for not even making the special teams.. It was a mistake by Miami for ever firing Mike Westhoff, now the NY freaking Jets' special teams coach; that dude was a stud as a special teams coach....
Huizenga, should get more talent, start paying the big bucks and start taking more risk - we're paying you sufficient money every home game and consuming lots of beer and hot dogs at your new stadium; which was used to attract UM; which would eventually bring more revenue to your kingdom... bring us a winner and get rid of these old losers... I remember when we used to go after the most coveted football players in the market; now, we're just going after the leftovers from other teams (Bookers/ Trent Green/ Jason Allen/ Joey Harrington/ Joey Porter/ coach Keith Armstrong and Don Capers).... now, it seems as if Huizenga were just interested in making the Dolphins a profitable team, not a winner; as long as they cover the expenses and then some, he's happy with what he has... He needs to go to Robert Kraft's academy, win at all expense and at all cause... Win, win, win baby....
Lets get a new attitude AND NEW UNIFORM!!! For real, the Dolphins should use their navy blue jerseys and white pants.... give the team a new attitude....
just think if the Dolphins had done nothing at QB after Marino retired. We'd have his backup Damon Huard at QB, the same guy who beat out Trent Green. Plus we would have had a ton of draft picks back that we've wasted on loser QBs.
Jason Allen was a draft pick... I think you meant Will Allen who is probably our best CB. But I agree, we need to stop picking up left overs and build the team through the draft. The only thing is, it is going to take a few years that's why it is better to trade JT and others for draft picks while they still have value.
i agree it's time for green to sit down.bring in lemon. 7 INT'S in four games is ridicolous and don't blame the o-line cause they have gotten a hell of a lot better. we need someone who is ready to scramble for three-four yards.capers needs to do his job cause that defense he's running is not working. so stop blaming cam cause the offense looks 100 times better than the last two years.
Where is that pathetic, obnoxious punk from New Yawk, the guy who says he is named NYSCOTT?
HEY NYSCOTT, WHERE'S YOU'RE UGLY MOUTH NOW?
CULPEPPER JUST SHOVED A BUNCH OF SHEET DOWN IT, EHH?
YES, CULPEPPER IS GOOD AND YOU ARE A WEASEL FACE.
AND GREEN, ARMANDO SAID IT WELL IN HIS ARTICLE TODAY. ABOUT TIME.
CAM NEEDS TO BE FIRED. THATS THE SOLUTION OF GENIUSES. CAM IS PROBLEM NUMBER ONE.
Cam should not be fired. He is doing a good job with the offense, the only thing I really disagree with is not playing Ginn at WR. I look at what Calvin Johnson and Dwayne Bowe are doing and it pisses me off that Ginn is not in there getting reps. With speed like that, the least he can do is run down the field to open up the intermediate passing game. Beck should start by week 8, and the offensive line has gotten much better. If you go back and watch the game against Oakland Green had all day to throw the ball he just stinks. Give Cam and Randy a chance or at least 4 years to prove themselves. That will be more stability then we have seen the past decade.
I'm not ready to give up on Cam. 4 games. 4 FREAKING GAMES. I know it's a "win now" league and this team has tested it's fans since 1985 (I cried over the lose to New England in AFC Title game). The idea that this guy should be hung after 4 damn games is idiotic.
Then there are folks here complaining that we have other teams leftovers, like Will Allen. What do you think JJ and Wannstedt were? And the much-coveted Cowher. I though hiring Cameron was the right choice. It showed a willingness to try a fresh approach for the team rather than hoping a retread recaptures his previous magic. I don't want Cowher. Retreads rarely work.
Another point: Tampa Bay was a disaster last season. Chucky's head was on the block. The team was considered bottom-of-the-barrel. Where are they now? Yea, easy schedule, but point is you CAN turn a bad team around really really fast. Smart free-agency moves and good drafting. That will get us out of the basement by next season.
Of course, that depends on Cam and Mueller et al. And I know that so far Ginn and Trent Green look like failures. But the operative phrase is "so far." Cannot judge this staff until they have had a fair amount of time. 1 off-season and 4 games is NOT enough. Not all 1st round rookies have immediate impact. Braylon Edwards didn't. Maybe with coaching and experience Ginn will develop. Maybe not, but it is too early to bury him.
This roster needed an enema. There's more to be flushed out. But enemas aren't pretty. Zgonia, Traylor, Bowen....I agree they were band-aids. The team needs to get younger. It's gonna hurt but give it a chance. The Offense has POTENTIALLY it's triplets. Beck, Brown and Ginn. POTENTIALLY, I say. A few more pieces next off-season, and maybe we get at least competative. If not then, yea, I'll start to admit maybe the Cameron staff is a failure. But not yet.
Go Cubs!
A good QB is not a runner. Agood QB is a passer. You idiots need to get over the Vick like QB. You saw where it has gotten the falcons....Nowhere. Put Beck in and let him get the experience he needs. Start a lot of the new talent. Honestly What do you have to lose...Nothing. Lets see what the younger talent has. Then you know who to cut next year, and who is worth keeping.
BRING IN JIMMY JOHNSON AGAIN!!! HE IS A PROVEN COACH. THE ONLY REASON HE SAW FAILURE HERE WAS BECAUSE HE WAS TOLD HE HAD TO WIN WITH A AGING QB MARINO. LET HIM BRING IN THE PEOPLE HE WANTS. HELL YOU SAW WHAT DEFENSE HE BUILT. THESE IDIOT RUNNING THIS TEAM WILL CONTINUE TO ROB THE FANS AS ALWAYS. THATS WHAT THEY ARE DOING. YOU PAYING FANS ARE GETTING ROBBED EVERY SUNDAY. QUIT GOING AND PAYING, YOU'LL SEE HOW FAST MOVES ARE MADE THEN.
About time a south florida sports writer dare to question the decision making of the dolphins administration, I read the post, herald, and the sentinel daily to follow the dolphins and i must say, until i saw the dolphins play the preseason games i believed the sports writers mainly the things they wrote about the QB situation, Lemon is the best QB we have right now, no one is saying it. I've watched trent during the preseason and i've watch 3 of the 4 games, nothing has changed, his deep ball has no accuracy, his decision making is questionable, and he constantly throwing interceptions during pressure moments. He has yet to show the poise that Lemon has shown in the preseason, and as for the mormen guy he sucks. I can't see how we interviewed Mike Tomlin twice and chose this bum. Mike T. has embossed the steelers with his personality (tougness with a stronger desire to dominate)4-0, while cam has done the same with the dolphins (decietful transactions, poor decision making, clueless with a strong resolve) 0-4. It's time to tank Green, and apologize to the fans before the stadium attendance call for Cams resignation.
I think you're right Armando except for the dramatics of "blowing up in his face". The whole point of getting Green was everyone knew we would be bad this year and Green knowing the offense was one of the two things they were hoping would give us a chance. The other was the Defense but I won't talk about that. So getting Green wasn't because he is the future and I don't think CPep would have been able to do any better with this squad. Either of them would have been just borrowing the position from Beck until next season. If we got Green to be the future than I would say it's blowing up in his face but we all know Beck is their man. They really should bench Green so we can get that fourth rounder back. Lets see what Lemons got.
Anyone see Jeff Garcia lately?
'Mando: why haven't you mentioned him? Last I checked he played great for Philly last year and is picking up where he left off in Tampa Bay.
Another Cam-Mueller blunder.
START THE WE WANT BILL COWHER CHANTS AT THE REMAINING 5 HOME GAMES DEMAND IT STAGE A WALKOUT AND DON'T RENEW YOUR SEASON TICKETS THIS IS UNEXCEPTABLE COWHER WOULD BRING IN HIS PEOPLE WINNERS WE NEED A PROVEN LEADER SOMEONE WHO HAS ONE AND A REALLY GOOD SCOUTING DEPARTMENT INCLUDING GM DOLPHINS RIGHT NOW HAVE ZERO.BRYAN IN OHIO HOME OF WORLD CHAMPION KELLY THE GHOST PAVLIK.
FIRST OF ALL EVERYBODY SAYS THAT GINN IS A FAILURE SO FAR! HELLO ARE U PEOPLE STUPID THE MAN IS NOT EVEN BEEN GIVIN A SHOT AT WIDE RECIVER THEY ARE NOT EVEN PLAYING THE MAN! HOW CAN U CATCH A FOOTBALL IF YOUR NOT EVEN IN THE GAME! THE REASON WHY TED GINN IS NOT STARTING IN FRONT OF MARTY BOOKER IS BECAUSE HIS SALARY THEY ARE NOT GOING TOO BENCH A GUY THAT IS MAKING 8 MILLION FOR A ROOKIE! NOW IF THEY DON'T START GINN BY WEEK 6 I SAY FIRE CAM ALSO IF WE DON'T START BECK BY WEEK 9 FIRE CAM! IT IS TIME FOR ALL THE DRAFT PICKS TOO START PLAYING! ALSO OUR #3 DRAFT PICK LORENXO BOOKER IS NOT EVEN ACTIVATED AND HE IS HEALTHY WHAT THE HELL IS THAT ABOUT HE IS BETTER THEN EVERY HALF BACK ON THE TEAM EXCEPT RONNIE BROWN WHICH RONNIE BROWN IS THE MAN! BUT HE SHOULD BE BACKING UP BROWN! THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL YOUR #3 DRAFT PICK SHOULD NOT BE ACTIVATED UNLESS HE IS HURT! WHY DID WE DRAFT HIM AT #3 IF HE AIN'T PLAYING YOUR SUPPOST TO GET PLAYERS LIKE CHAMBERS IN ROUND 3 IN THE DRAFT NOT GUYS SITTING THE BENCH NOT ACTIVATED IF WE GO ANOTHER ROUND OF DRAFTING LIKE CAM DID HE NEEDS TO BE FIRED RIGHT NOW POINT BLANK! THE ONLY GUY I SEE THAT IS GOOD THAT HE DRAFTED IS TED GINN BECAUSE I HAVE FAITH AT WHAT HE DID IN GAME 3 PRESEASON AGAINST TAMPA! WHEN HE STARTED AGAINST ALL THERE STARTERS HE JUST TORE UP THERE DEFFENSE I WAS AT THE GAME SO I KNOW WHAT HE DID ALSO JHON BECK HE DID AWSOME IN THE PRESEASON ALSO AND HE LOOKS GOOD! AND ALSO SAMSON SATELE! BUT AS FAR AS PICKING UP TRENT GREEN CUTTING DAUNTE PICKING BOOKER AND NOT EVEN PLAYING HIM IN THE PRESEASON OR REGULAR SEASON AND NOT EVEN BEING ACTIVATED AT ROUND 3 PK THAT IS FAR OUT RETARTED! ALSO NOT PLAYING GINN OVER MARTY BOOKER IS STUPID BECAUSE GINN HAS BETTER HANDS WILL BLOW BOOKER IN THE DUST! AND IS ALL AROUND BETTER THEN BOOKER! START HIM NOW OH JUST STAY AT HOME AND LET ME COACH THE TEAM PLEASE RETARD CAM CAMERON! ALSO DON'T BLAME GINN ABOUT NOT BREAKING LOOSE IN THE RETUN GAME BECAUSE OUR SPECIAL TEAMS JUST STRAIGHT OUT SUCKS NOBODY BLOCKS WORTH A DAMN! AND NO MATTER WHO THE HELL WE HAD OUT THERE RETURNING KICKS THEY WOULD NOT GET ANYMORE YARDS THEN GINN DOES! POINT BLANK! OK THANKS FOR READING ALL THIS BUT I'M JUST STARIGHT OUT PISSED OFF HOW PEOPLE BLAME GINN AND BECK AND LORENZO BOOKER FOR BEING FAILURES THEY AIN'T EVEN BEEN GIVIN A CHANCE TOO PROVE THEM SELF'S BECAUSE OUR COACH IS A MORON! ALSO IF THESE GUYS DON'T START PLAYING I THINK BY WEEK 10 WE SHOULD ALL BE HANGING OUT AT THE GAME IN WEEK 11 OR 12 WITH SIGNS SHOUTING FOR CAM TO BE FIRED RIGHT HERE AND NOW! POINT BLANK LET 80,000 FANS SHOUT AND PUT SIGNS UP TOO FIRE THE COACH IF WAYNE DON'T GET THE IDEA THEN HE NEEDS TOO SELL THE TEAM BECAUSE IN MY OPION HE IS THE WORST OWNER IN FOOTBALL WHEN HE HIRES COACHES! BECAUSE EVERY COACH HE HAS HIRED HAS JUST STRAIGHT OUT SUCKED! AND DON'T SAY WELL HE HIRED SHULA BECAUSE SHULA WAS NOT HIRED BY WAYNE! LET'S SEE HE HIRED JIMMY WANSTEAD SABAN AND CAM WHAT A GROUP LET ME TELL U! HE SHOULD OF HIRED THIS SEASON EITHER MARTY SHOHEMIER OR WENT AFTER BILL COWHER OR THE TUNA OR SOMEBODY LIKE THAT NOT CAM CAMERON! POINT BLANK NOW LET'S SEE IF CAM CAMERON CAN DO THE RIGHT THINK STARTING IN WEEK 5 PLEASE CAM BECAUSE I LIKE U BUT IF U DON'T START DOING THINGS RIGHT U WILL BE WATCHING FOOTBALL GAMES AT HOME THE REST OF YOUR CAREAR BECAUSE NO TEAM IS GOING TOO WANT U AFTER WHAT U ARE DOING WITH THE DOLPHINS!!!!!!!!!!!THANKS FOR READING MY ESSAY!!!!!
Boy , now that was the most stupid essay I have ever wasted my time reading ! Go to bed and dream about being intelligent you pathetic moron ! If anything is going to fix this mess , it is continuity. We need to keep a coach and his staff for more than one season to get everyone grasping the same playbook. When was the last time a coach led a team to a Super Bowl , let alone the playoffs in his first season ? WE NEED A LITTLE LONGEVITY! I will pick one thing from your essay that I agree with , just to make you feel good . With the season about lost for any playoff possibility, I think it is time for John Beck to get some reps so next year he can come into the 2008 season with some confidence and experience. We messed around trying to find some offense with so many different coaches and QB's , we forgot about the years passing by our defense ! Seems like Zach and Jason just started their stellar careers but in all seriousness they are on the downhill side of their hall of fame careers ! Enough said , GIVE THE DAMN COACH SOME TIME !
The more I read some of these Blogs, I think some of you people should become Steeler fans ! Being from PA. I hear this same crying from Pittsburgh fans! Just look at San Diego . Maybe they would be winning if they still had not changed coaches ! Remember , Rome wasn't built in a day !
I am reminded of 1989 when Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones presided over a 1 - 15 season. The critics in Texas, where football is a way of life not a pastime of prissy dilletantes, were ten times more vicious than Armando and the rest of the geniuses commenting in the negative here. Then they started the next season 1 - 3. Howls for their heads continued. They finished the season 7 - 9 and the critics continued. The rest is history, including Johnson's back to back Super Bowls and the third after he left Switzer a strong team.
The real question here is how strong Cameron and Huizenga's bond is. If Huizenga trusts Cameron to turn things around, he'll get a chance. If that chance fails, the critics can pat themselves on the back and feel good about how right they were. If he succeeds, they'll quickly forget their previous negativity and be crowing about what a great owner and coach we have and how good it feels to be part of a winning atmosphere. It's human nature.
Menawhile, Cameron's character will be sorely tested by hordes of small ankle-biters and know-it-alls. If he is able to keep the team together and prevent the jackals in the press from destroying team unity, the chance for a turn-around is substantial. Real fans will be supporting their team through it all. The rest will be what they are - critics, and 'journalists' - not fans.
The point all of the Cam lovers fail to realize is that the guy is so inept he thought this was a playoff caliber team. A rebuilding team does not waste a draft pick on a veteran player because they need that pick to well; rebuild!
If Cam and Mueller had a clue and knew this team was going nowhere (which everyone but the eternally optimistic fans knew) they would have just started Lemon and brought in an inexpensive, no draft pick needed veteran to groom Beck. Someone like Testicleverde. It really didnt matter as long as it didnt cost 6 mil and a draft pick. By the way if we keeping playing Green we are going to lose a higher draft pick. That would be extremely smart on an already finished season.
I dont understand the concept of a true fan is supportive no matter what. Give four years to a GM and coach that have yet to make a single move that has panned out? Pointing out that management is totally inept is my idea of being a supportive fan. People keep bringing up that 1-15 Cowboys crap but that was completely different. JJ and Jones were on the same page about rebuilding. Also, get off the crack if you think Beck, Ginn, Brown is going to be Aikman, Irvin, and Emmitt. Someone mentioned Tampa. Which is a perfect example of eliminating age in the defense and replacing them with contributing rookies. My what a novel concept.
People keep supporting Cam but in the same breath scream for the rookies to play. Do you think that if these players were outperfoming the veterans in practice they wouldnt be playing? Thats how rookies break there way into the lineup, with there play. The truth people are not facing is that these players might not be performing and therefore do not play. Armando in his last game blog had a brilliant observation that Ginn did not seem that fast in person. Hmmm maybe he lost a step from the foot injury. If he doesnt have the speed and we all know he doesnt have the size then you have a four letter word the fins know well. BUST.
But go ahead people keep spending your money on this crap. Support totally incompetent losers for four years. Say your the only true fans because you love the stink of garbage. I need this team to have an identity, a concept, some semblence of a master plan to be supportive.
Finally the poster who came up with the new Dolphin fighting song in yesterdays thread that was fuc@ing hilarious.
True, Rome wasnt built in a day but what we are building here definitely does not resemble Rome. It reminds me more of Port-Au-Prince (apologies to the Haitians but that city is a dump).
If we could just get Ted Ginn's family on the field more and throw it to Ted Ginn's family when Ted Ginn's family got open, then Ted Ginn's family could score touchdowns and Ted Ginn's family could save this F'in team from it's F'in lost season.
Finally, as to the poster who said Cowher is a retread you need to stop wasting our oxygen supply. Calling a Super Bowl winning coach who had a competitive team year in year out a retread is sacrilege. His teams had an identity and character. The only thing "fresh" about CamMoron are his inane statements: The sun will come out tomorrow, We should not be afraid to fail forward fast, we drafted Ted Ginn and his family, and my favorite, Oops, I crapped my pants again. Cowher is like a set of Michelin PS2's, CamMORON the flat doughnut in your trunk.
How is it that after 4 games our #3 and #4 receivers Spragan and Ginn only have 3 catches and 1 catch?
Trent Green has really let Cam down.
edswood is spot on correct with his post. CamMoron is the problem and it didn't take me 4 games to figure it out. I had it pegged before the first pre-season game. He is not a leader. In his only experience as a head coach at Indiana University he was 18-37 (he's now 18-41 as a head coach). That was clue number 1. Then our knuckle_head coach Clueless Cam CamMoron drafted a punt returner (and a mediocre one at that) with the 9th overall pick in the draft. That's a BINGO gang. The game was over for Clueless Cam the moment they announced Ginn as our first pick. He has no clue about running an NFL team which accounts for his name, Clueless Cam.
Face it, Clueless Cam is an idiot who has continued to make idiotic moves since that first mind-numbing pick. Here are just a few -$20 million in guarantees to an injured LB, letting a very good punt and kickoff returner (not to mention a great possession receiver) get away to a divison rival, sending Randy McMichael packing, wasting a 4th round pick on an old QB, drafting a 26 year-old rookie QB (who a lot of you want to hold in reserve until he's 29 or 30 - I think Tom Brady is 29 and he has 3 rings), drafting a RB with our 3rd pick when RB was not a need, and on and on and on.
We need to rebuild and Clueless is doing everything he can to try and win with this franchise now. And he isn't even good at that. Every day we keep him around puts us further and further behind our competition.
The seats in Joe Robbie are now for the most part empty. Wayne H. is a well-intentioned owner who unfortunately has been poorly advised. He needs to get experienced help in making his management personnel hires (maybe JJ or Shula or a combination if they can get in the same room together). But he must recognize now that the Clueless Cam CamMoron experiment is a failure.
Please Obi-Wan-Hueizenga fire Clueless Cam, you're our only hope.
While I agree that Trent Green has not been the QB I thought he would be, I feel that Cameron made the right choice in bringing him here. Green is a much better mentor for John Beck than Daunte Culpepper would have been. Green knows his career is nearing its end (Maybe this season?) and he has been passing on his knowledge to Beck. In the end, In the end, Green is an investment in John Beck's future with the Dolphins. While I'm sure everyone expected a decline in Green's skills, no one could have foreseen that he would be like this.
Green's time is nearing its end here as the Fins' starting QB. Soon enough, we will get a chance to see the real QB of the Dolphin's future, and we'll see if he has what it takes. Until then, we can't fairly judge Cameron's QB choices for the Dolphins.
Did he say Trent is nearing the his end ..........THAT GUY IS WASHED UP!!!!! I have some questions for all those CC supporters.
1. Why did your favorite head coach use our 9th overall pick on a rec. that was injured and is barely seeing any playing time now??
2. Why did your favorite head coach waste a draft pick on a guy that was going to be released, and also plans on making that the highest pick possible from all the playing time he is getting???
3. Why did your favorite head coach / GM guarantee $20 million to a player we didn't really need, when we are already strapped for cap space??
4. Why is your favorite head coach telling us to give Ginn a few years to break into his position when we see other first round rec. ie: Calvin Johnson / Dewayne Bowe making a impact every game??
5. Why did your favorite head coach trade Wes Welker ?? And if he had to be traded why to our DIVISION RIVALS????
DavidW
Why did we need a mentor - if DC could have been good for the next 5-6 years. Now if someone tells me we did not know how his knee would hold up - don't they have experts for that.
The point is as someone said before CC wanted to stamp his authority and what better way to dump a high profile QB - these guys did not even talk at all while DC was here - and then kick DC off the filed. What was all that stuff.
So I guess if CC gets fired it is all his doings. OR maybe he had a big head while coming in.ofkyl
There seem to be a lot of Trent Green apologists on here. As well as Ted Ginn apologists. We watched Trent Green and Daunte Culpepper on the same field on the same day and it was blatantly clear who was the better quarterback on that day. I am not a Daunte supporter, I am a Dolphin supporter. And as I have said all along Daunte and Trent should have competed for the job here in the camps and preseason. But our lovely management didn't even give an open competition any consideration. Anyway I am counting the days until Trent Green is gone.
It never seems to end, the morons who post uninformed drivel about Wayne Huizenga being "cheap." Let's see: He's hired two top-drawer head coaches and paid them top dollar, only to see both Jimma Johnson and Dick Saban take the money and screw the franchise. Huizenga has authorized a huge coaching staff with huge salaries, including top dollar for proven coaches Dom Capers and Hudson Houck (plus big money for Mike Mularkey). Huizenga spends tons of money creating state-of-the-art athletic facilities and a world-class stadium. All teams have to spend to the salary cap minimum, which the Dolphins exceed. Huizenga even threw a huge party at the stadium to commemorate the retirement of Dan Marino. So what's your problem with Wayne? How exactly is he cheap? How? Aw, bad old Wayne didn't want to keep losing $30M/year on the disgusting Marlins that Floridians don't care to support ... is that why you're mad? Why should he support what fans won't? Obviously the Dolphins under Huizenga have made some poor investments and wrong decisions, but to constantly accuse him of being cheap is like constantly calling George W. Bush smart or moral -- it doesn't stand up to scrutiny, but it's an easy conclusion for the simple-minded.
Let's agree that the players are underperforming. The head coach is performing far worse than that. Ronnie Brown has shown he wants the ball and can carry the load. Everyone is saying "its only two games", however he only had 22 touches in the first two games combined, hardly enough to blame him for bad numbers. The coach uses the clock poorly at the end of the second and forth quarters constantly. This weeks example of us stopping OAK on the 35 with 2 timeouts and some momentum at home shows me again poor clock management and no confidence in his "hand picked" QB. We could have at least tried one pass over the middle and determined from there if we would have enough time with 1 timeout at that point to try to get into position for a field goal. Its called giving your team every chance to score and win. We do not do that. I am a firm believer of if you have the ball at the end of either half and are not near your own goal line with timeouts in hand go for it. You can't sell your timeouts. No one is buying, and no one is buying that this guy can coach either.
I agree. Trent Green is throwing lofting balls off his back foot. That of course resulted in interception. He is a veteran, he should know better. There is no reason for that type of mistake. If we are going to have a QB make rookie mistakes then put Beck in. DO NOT LET KC GET A 4TH OUT OF THIS TRADE.
Flipper’s new lyrics for the Dolphins Fight song:
Lyrics
(Verse)
Miami has the Dolphins,
The league’s worst football team!
We dream about going to the endzone,
A place we’ve never seen!
We're in the air,
We're on the ground,
We play like we are sick.
So when you say Miami,
You're talking first draft pick!
(Chorus 1)
Cause we're the Miami Dolphins,
Miami Dolphins,
Miami Dolphins Number 31.
(Chorus 2)
Yes we're the Miami Dolphins,
Miami Dolphins,
Miami Dolphins Number 31.
(Repeat)
Flipper’s new lyrics for the Dolphins Fight song:
Lyrics
(Verse)
Miami has the Dolphins,
The league’s worst football team!
We dream about going to the endzone,
A place we’ve never seen!
We're in the air,
We're on the ground,
We play like we are sick.
So when you say Miami,
You're talking first draft pick!
(Chorus 1)
Cause we're the Miami Dolphins,
Miami Dolphins,
Miami Dolphins Number 31.
(Chorus 2)
Yes we're the Miami Dolphins,
Miami Dolphins,
Miami Dolphins Number 31.
(Repeat)
I sometimes think we are a little over the top with the biting criticism... This is a brand new offense with only a couple players in the same positions as last year. With that in mind it hasn't been that bad offensively which is what Cameron brought to the table.
Green has made mistakes, but I think he has done it attempting to make things happen when perhaps he should have thrown it away or taken a sack. The throwing off the back foot has happened when there was someone in his face. Rookie mistakes yes, but correctable.
So it takes us back to the real issues which have been defense, special teams and personnel decisions. It makes me wonder if our criticism is misguided and we should be wondering just how much control does Cameron have over the organization as a whole. If Cappers had not been offered autonomy on the defense I don't think he would be here. It was clearly stated that we didn't want the little Satan approach with complete control over personnel so Mueller was also given autonomy. I don't think Armstrong was given the same luxury but I think Cameron did not pay that much attention until it bit him.
This was the management approach after Satan... Now it's time for those people to be held accountable. We all agreed we didn't think it was wise to have one guy in complete control and now we see what happens when the leader is not clearly the leader. It's back to management.
Edswood, perhaps you need a lesson in history. Tell me, hoe have other Super Bowl winning coaches fared in their second go-rounds?? Parcells. JJ. Holmgren. Seifert. Gibbs. Parcells and Holmgren got to Super Bowls. But so what? So did Bill Calahan. If you are happy just getting to a Super bowl, then rock on with Cowher. If you are happy just being "competative" then, again, Cowher is the man for you.
But you know what?? Wanny was fucking competative. Aside from the year Ricky first quit, that guy won a lot of games. With the hated jay Fiedler, no less. His teams were "competative" and they had an "identity." Tough D and grind it out running games. He had 2 double digit win seasons with Lamar Smith. Heck, that 2000 team SHOULD have won 13-14 games. They were real, real close that season. I am in no way defending Wanny, but if you're just happy with "competative" then you can get Dave back for a song.
Cameron may well be the second coming of Rich Kotite, but even Kotite deserved more than 9 months on the job. It's like if people were clamoring for your dismissal the first time you forgot to put extra pickles on a Whopper.
It's a little disturbing that everyone thinks this team is supposed to win the Super Bowl this year. At least, that how they're acting. Armando, since you seem to always have the right solution, or should I say OPINION, why don't you go ask Randy or Cam if you can be one of the coaches? That way all the players, other coaches and front office can hear your wisdom and the team will thereafter have no problems and win every game. It seems as if you and most of the other people here expect to go all the way and win the big one. That this team was supposed go 12-4 and dominate in every aspect of the game. Let's all take a step back and look at the situation with clarity. Yes, Green has made some bad throws/decisions, but he has also looked like the leader he was brought in to be for the most part. It's a new team/offense for him and they are still growing together. Is it his fault for all those dropped passes that hit his receivers square in their hands, or routes that were run wrong and ended up in missed completions and/or interceptions? Again, he has some things to correct, but did anyone expect him to be Tom Brady the moment he stepped onto the field this year? Let him correct them, it's only been 4 games. The defense is horrible. While I blame the players, I also blame Capers for not blitzing or putting pressure on the QB(the defenses strength last year). Those things can be fixed and with JT, ZT and as leaders, I believe they will be. It's only been 4 games. The offensive line is really starting to come together. The one part of this team that everyone couldn't stand to watch in the beginning is getting better with each game. I suppose we can't give Cam any credit for that. The offense in general is scoring more points per game than last year. No credit to Cam ofcourse. Ronnie Brown has looked like Cam's running back in San Diego the past two games. And, by the way, that same RB in San Diego doesn't look as good as he did when Cam was there. Could it be that Cam is turning Ronnie into that great back that everyone has been praying for since his draft? No, don't want to give credit where credit is due. After 4 games everyone wants a new QB, new defense, new coach, new GM, new owner. If that's what you want, there are 31 other teams out there for you to go cheer for. Me, I'm a MIAMI DOLPHINS fan. I take the good with the bad. Most of the negative people that write in here make me sick. Armchair QB's and coaches that think everything is supposd to be perfect. I want to win just as badly. It hurts when they lose. But I know that the season isn't over and as long as I see continued improvement week to week, that's all I can ask for this year. I'll save my Super Bowl expectations for later.
There's a famous quote from Abraham Lincoln that goes like this..."If you go looking for the worst in mankind, you will surely find it." In other words, if your only looking at Trent Green's faults, your not looking at his accomplishments. Let's try and have a little balance
Wow..lot of crying in here.
Did all of you think that because the Dolphins got a new coach and another QB that we were Super Bowl bound this season?
Even Shula's first years as the Phins coach were not great,,even though he had proven him self with the Colts before hand. i dont think we can rebuild this team in 1 season,,
We were told from the begginning that Green was brought here to mentor our younger QBs,,,not to be the answer to the QB problems we have had.
"Good things come to those who wait" Lets give it time, and not just till week 6 of this season. It maybe a couple of years before we see anything worth being proud of again. then again we might not see anything then eaither,, but what do you exspect game 4 of season 1.
After Wanstat, and Saben left such a mess to be cleaned up. It will take time...Look how long it took the Bears to get it back together after DW got through with them.
Trent Green sucks major balls, get him the fuck outta dodge & let Lemon start at least 4-5 times and if he sucks play the kid, we have to know by the end of the season if a decent quarterback is on this team, if not draft the kid from Hawaii super quick release just like you know who. (Marino dumbass)
It is sad that in early October I am already scouting on saturday for the draft, once again I buy the sunday ticket for a team that sucks, the defense has become old in one offseason, the whole team should be overhauled, and why the hell couldn't we hire Mike Tomlin, hopefully they bring Ricky back, that would increase his trade value for the offseason, but every move coach can't has made has been piss poor so why start making good moves now, the only thing I can say about his hire is at least it wasn't Norv Turner.
All you glass is half full fans that think it is not so bad, and support the team rah rah, know this I love the phins like no other but call a spade a spade, they are a bad, bad 0-4, 3 of the 4 teams they lost to are not playoff caliber, I mean what does it take for you to criticize, i mean at least the last time they were this bad (way back in 2004) they could blame Ricky, now their is no one to blame. So stop admonishing the "real" fans for stating the obvious.
My Dolphins are going to be 0-16 because of Cam Cameron and Ted Ginn's 3 yard returns.
Armando, Trent Green is just trying to make something happen.
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