Why didn't Miami see this train wreck coming?
A week before the Dolphins completed the Trent Green trade on June 6th, Jason Taylor was talking to Sports Illustrated about the rumors of the Dolphins acquiring a 37-year-old quarterback with a concussion history.
“This is off-the-record. Oh, what the hell, it’s on the record: He’d better not get hit. One big hit, and he could be scrambled eggs.”
So Jason Taylor saw it coming.
In the many weeks leading up to the trade that saw Miami give up a draft pick for Green, I told anyone who would listen that getting Trent Green wasn't such a great idea.
"Trent Green is not the answer," was the headline on this blog on March 21.
On March 27th I wrote: "You guys know how I feel about adding Trent Green. I just don't think renting a 37-year-old player who spent most of last year injured is such a great idea, regardless of his history with Miami's coaches and his desire to be in Miami. There's a million ways bringing Green to Miami can fail while there is only one way it can succeed -- if he's healthy, rejuvenated and the starter."
So I saw it coming.
And you guys pretty much agreed with me.
"I think all of you who think we should give up anything for Trent Green are CRAZY!!!!! Why would you risk any pick for a possible concussion case!!!" That was written by blog contributor JDizzle on May 24th.
So my questions to you are these: Why didn't the Dolphins see this coming? Why is it the experts who are supposed to know football, couldn't figure out this guy was one hit away from being a really bad idea?
This is what Cam Cameron said at the press conference introducing Green when he was pressed about the concerns everyone else but him had: “Well no, number one is, I think we all kind of experienced that with him. I think everybody in this league, but competing against him and obviously he wasn’t there the first time we played Kansas City, but I’ve seen him and he’s healthy. There are no concerns on our part. I know you guys can address that with him as well, but no.”
I think that says it all. Your thoughts?
“This is off-the-record. Oh, what the hell, it’s on the record: He’d better not get hit. One big hit, and he could be scrambled eggs.”
So Jason Taylor saw it coming.
In the many weeks leading up to the trade that saw Miami give up a draft pick for Green, I told anyone who would listen that getting Trent Green wasn't such a great idea.
"Trent Green is not the answer," was the headline on this blog on March 21.
On March 27th I wrote: "You guys know how I feel about adding Trent Green. I just don't think renting a 37-year-old player who spent most of last year injured is such a great idea, regardless of his history with Miami's coaches and his desire to be in Miami. There's a million ways bringing Green to Miami can fail while there is only one way it can succeed -- if he's healthy, rejuvenated and the starter."
So I saw it coming.
And you guys pretty much agreed with me.
"I think all of you who think we should give up anything for Trent Green are CRAZY!!!!! Why would you risk any pick for a possible concussion case!!!" That was written by blog contributor JDizzle on May 24th.
So my questions to you are these: Why didn't the Dolphins see this coming? Why is it the experts who are supposed to know football, couldn't figure out this guy was one hit away from being a really bad idea?
This is what Cam Cameron said at the press conference introducing Green when he was pressed about the concerns everyone else but him had: “Well no, number one is, I think we all kind of experienced that with him. I think everybody in this league, but competing against him and obviously he wasn’t there the first time we played Kansas City, but I’ve seen him and he’s healthy. There are no concerns on our part. I know you guys can address that with him as well, but no.”
I think that says it all. Your thoughts?
posted by Armando Salguero at 11:04 AM
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There is some truth to that, but honestly, not many QB's would have come out of that hit much better. Maybe their career wouldn't be over but a good part of their season would be. Knee to the side of the head is like the worst thing.
Cam is oblivious to it all. Did you see the Buffalo coach call a time out last night to make the Dallas kicker kick it twice. I think the fact that Cam is busy calling plays is detracting from him managing the game. Can you please ask Cam what the plan is going forward to getting Beck reps this year?
wasn't like he just took an average hit and couldn't hack it.
I said it when you posted that and I'll say it again.
Whether Trent Green is the answer depends on the question. And if the question is "who is best to teach Beck this offense?", then Trent Green is the answer.
Regardless of who was our QB right now we wouldn't be very good.
Anybody that knows football could expect Green to get hit again this year.
The Dolphins came into the year with a bad offensive line. And Green is not super mobile. So that alone should have worried the team.
Somebody brings up the point Green got hit in unorthodox fashion. That is not true. Quarterbacks block on broken plays all the time folks.
armando, no one believed Green was going to lead this team to the Super Bowl. Take the signing for what it was supposed to be...a bridge to the future (John Beck).
Cam took a chance with Trent and it didn't worked out. Keeping Culpepper would have been better if only because they would have preserved a draft pick.
Not only did Trent let Cam down with his level of play, but the latest concussion probably puts an end to his career.
With a third of the roster having 1 or less years of NFL experience, the real question to ask is "WHY DIDN'T DOLFANS SEE THIS TRAIN WRECK OF A SEASON COMING?"
Did the fans drink the kool-aid? I would say "yes".
Don't forget, this concussion came because Trent himself was to agressive. Can you blame him though at 0-5 trying to make a play. It wasn't smart of him but I can understand where the desire to make something happen came from. He didn't take a normal sack-type hit we are used to seeing...He threw his head in front of a train. He didn't get a grad 3 concussion because he is frail...again who could say any player in the league wouldn't have a serious concussion after that hit.
To be honest I really dont mind the fins being 0-5. Dont get me wrong I am a die hard Dolfan. But I rather see the fins than read the comments on this blog. Hopefully most of you are employed. Did you just walk into your position knowing what to do ? Who taught you ? Someone who was there for several years ? (Trent). Someone who worked there or 6 weeks ? (Cleo). I did not like the idea of Trent as far as performance but he is a class act and studies the game hard. A coach cannot play but he can teach. Trent might not be the QB he was or the star we all want so bad but he should show our future star the ropes. We knew this would be a long road. IMO we are half way there. Next stop Beck with 4-5 starts and top pick and clear need. Defense. The offense will slowly improve and I think we all see that going on. One more thing. Shut up already with the damn time out before the field goal. It didnt work last night. Stop acting and fooling yourself if you thing that was lost the game.
Hey don't worry because we need to keep the thumbs "up" this way and thank god that we have Ted Ginn Jr. and his family.
Once again Armando, you decide to go over the top by using the word "Trainwreck," and assume that this could have been predicted. Truth be told, YOU PREDICTED that we could be undefeated right now, when the complete opposite is true.
Look, everybody knew that Trent Green was taking a risk coming back. When you've had one bad concussion, you're at risk of getting them more frequently, there's no denying that. However, Trent Green is a FOOTBALL PLAYER and he was cleared to come back and play football. Cam Cameron took a GAMBLE that a once Pro-Bowl QB could return to Pro-Bowl form and be a good mentor to the young talent on the team. The NFL is not about absolutes. The is no such thing as a "NFL Guide to the Future of Your Team, and the Exact Perfect Decisions You Need to Make for Success, and Not Piss Off the Fans in the Process."
Trent Green got DRILLED on a busted play and he chose to go low on the defender when he could have just gotten in his way to slow him down or gotten out of the way completely. At 0-5, you're doing whatever you can to win.
Ok, so Cam's not making the same decisions as Dick Juaron. He's not making the same decisions as Mike Shanahan. He is making rookie NFL head coaching mistakes. He is, after all, a rookie in his own right. He's not going to make popular decisions and he is going to make more mistakes before the season is over. To those of us who actually work, are any of us going to sit here and say that our work is FLAWLESS all the time?? No way! Point is, we learn from our mistakes, we gain experience, and we slowly but surely start to turn the ship around.
Calling for the coach's head after 5 games is ludicrous. I'm not happy to see the team lose and to see Cam make his rookie mistakes, but I'm certainly not for starting over AGAIN. I want to see Cam's coaching style & decisions take root, and, if after next season, things are improving, then bring on the COWHER POWER talk. Until then, can the CAN CAM talk.
Now, lets focus on the positives......how 'bout that Ronnie Brown???!!!!!
I meant if things AREN'T improving, bring on the COWHER POWER talk.
or Tuna talk....
or Shula....
who else can we dig up?
In my opinion, the simple fact is that the Cam and Randy DID see it coming and knew it was a risk. However, it would still buy them time to either develop Lemon and/or Beck and re-tool the offensjive line so that a younger jittery quarterback wouldn't get killed.
The ONLY thing Cam is guilty of is telling the press (and fans) that "we are not rebuilding."
But on the other hand, what the hell would you expect them (and Huzienga) to say? Maybe something like "Yeah, well, you know, the idiots before us really f'd up and its going to take a few years to right this ship."
What would happen to game attendance, Nat'l TV broadcasts, product sales, etc? Folks, I'm in business, and you NEVER NEVER say,"Yep, we know we've given you a crappy product, and you're still gonna get crap for another couple of years, but hey, still support us 100%."
So in essence, the greatest disappointment in this year is the fans (mostly idiots looking at this and other blogs)falling for the company's enthusiasm hook, line, and stinker.
However, "winning is the great deodorant" and all those bloggers a few years back who claimed to be willing to have some horrible years in order to have a great one have half of their wish come true.
How you view progress on the other half is entirely your opinion.
For, me, I am MORE than a little impressed with what Cam (and this draft) have done for the offense. Another draft or two like this past one, we'll be a contender.
Just hold on for the ride.
I see why we took Trent Green as a mentor,,I dont believe DC would have been a great mentor to our Rookie Beck. He just seems to be the "Its all about me " type. Green knew comming in why he was here,to teach. Shame things turned out the way they have for him. Ahit like that would have put Zack Thomas out for the rest of the year.
I realize we have along way to go. I in noway exspected to see the Dolphins make the post season this year.or next year. i'm lust hopping for some consistacy and stability for awhile so we can build.
Don Shula spoiled us. gave us so many great years where if we were not in the post season we always had the chance of being there.
Well that time has passed. We are now at the bottom and have to work our way up again. Its just not something Dolphins fans are use to. The 49s are dealing with it too. Just be glad we had the good years. We could be in places like Detroit,Cleavland,Huston,New Orleans, Some places that have raerly seen any post season play.
Let's see:
NOw they tell us now they're rebuilding but went out and got 37-year-old Trent Green and hasbeen Joey Porter and neverbeen David Martin and gave 30-year-old Vonnie Holliday a big contract.
They say one thing and do another. That is called a lie.
If Green was here to be a mentor, why didn't they just hire him as a coach? That's crap.
HCD: I said the Dolphins could go 10-6. Apparently I was wrong. I NEVER said they'd be undefeated now. In that, you are wrong.
Armando, 10-6. 'apparently you were wrong'...Yes. AND you probably were concussed.
SABAN saw the train wreck coming, Cam is stuck with the mess.
Okay, put down the kleenex and let's review:
Ginn, improving.
OLINE, improving.
Ronnie Brown, MUCH IMPROVED. Kicking game, solid.
Defense, needs a heart.
Our team is growing. Despite the losses, we had a good draft with several productive rookies. Cam is headed in the right direction but he was given a mess to deal with. Any of you who thought we would just hop right into the playoffs, need to stay away from Ricky's herb shop. Cam is moving us the right way, but it will take time. As far as Trent being our future, he was never meant to be.
Hang in there guys, better days are coming.
CAM the SCAM has yet to learn how to use his best RB. Just as he did in SD last year during the play offs. As far as QB goes, he likes his eggs scrambled...not shaken or stirred. As long as they have some type of tie to the great state of Indiana, they have a spot waiting for them in the roster. Armando, does any one know what Capers is doing to that D. Why has it fallen so fast in just one year? I really do think that someone has to sit down and have word with him and that dead cat he wears around his head. I nominate you...
What pick do we have to give up for Trent Green? I think it is contingent of playing time, so maybe we will only lose a 5th instead of a 4th round pick.
Even though people have touched on this, no one has said it as bluntly as this... We needed someone to TEACH John Beck, and therefore Trent Green was by far the better choice than Culpepper. Culpepper is not very bright, and probably wouldn't have done very much in pointing things out to Beck the way Green probably has, (and will continue to do.) Again, Daunte is a meathead who can throw the ball. Green is a mentor, and a leader, and someone who absolutely fit the bill to help mold Beck into what he needs to be.
Can Cam, excellent!!
I like it: CanCam.com
HCD, buddy, you employed by the Dolphin organization mafia? Yeah, only you got a job..right
Time to stop making excuses, Phinnies. The team is spinning toward perpetual loserdom and its time to get on a new road.
Let the chips fall where they should, Cam is in over his head as a head coach. He ain't up to the task. Not everyone is right for head coaching in the NFL. Cam is an acceptable offensive coordinator, even a successful one when he has a Ladianian and Gates and Brees/Rivers to work with, but he does not have the qualities needed to be a head coach. For example, you can be sure not everyone on the Dolphins roster of players was thrilled or inspired with his ole boy politics in the Trent Green Affair. His play calling, even Cam admits, leaves something to be desired. How many game management mistakes has he made, such as the time out icing the kicker thing, dozens. Player personnel decisions, its partly Muellers fault, but Cam has veto over those moves -- we lost Sammy Morris, Welker, McMike, Carter and got nothing in return. The defensive line is falling apart, and he lacked the generosity of spirit to forgive Fred Evans when he made a mistake...He lacked the honesty to follow through on his "we will have a competition" pledge for the QB race..He lacked the class in his handling of Daunte, had to embarrass him in front of the team and escort him off the field..On and on and on..
Cam is a fiasco. Can Damn Cam is more like it. CanDamnCam.com
Yes, many of us saw the trainwreck comin'...Look up some of my many tunes.
And Daunte is a leading candidate for comeback player of the year. NewYorkScottunbelievable..The Dolphins need to convince Shula to come back and right the ship - only solution I can see.
It seems to be a weird cycle or karma or something... Teams that win seem to roll on and each decision seems to be the right one. Miami was in that envious position for a long time and it took one very poor head coaching selection to put us in this hole. That coach was Dave Wannstedt. The unfortunate thing was that Jimmy Johnson had brought in enough talent to mask how truly inept Wannstedt was.
Wannstedt thought he was one great running back away and that player was Ricky Williams. Spielman traded 2 1st round draft picks for Williams and the house of cards lost its foundation. How many players picked by the Wannstedt/Spielman regime still even play in the NFL?
The difference today is that Cameron does not have the talent Wannstedt walked into so every decision he makes is in a spot light. That is both good and bad... He can't mask whether he truly sucks as a head coach for very long, but it also means he will be scrutinized incessantly for every bad decision he makes.
Let's face it, like the one guy said, there will be bad decisions no one is right all the time. My dad once told me that if I was right 70% of the time in business I would be very successful. He also said it is worse to make no decision than it is to make the wrong one as long as you're in the 70% range. Indecision is what makes a loser.
So with that as marker the other thing to keep in mind is how long you feed out the rope. At this point I would give Cameron about a 50% hit rate with some unknowns, those being Beck, of course, and whether Ginn and Booker prove to be studs or duds.
So he gets another year from me.
damn alot of you are horrible people. the dude suffered something that most of you would have been crying to mama about. something that might have ended his career and you guys bitching about him. the dude has given us a decent QB play minus the int's and got this offense to move the ball better. lets see.. lemon 120 yrds 0 tds and 1 int. dont know about you but that does not inspire confidence. and get it right everyone. green was not the future nor was he ment to be only a mentor. he was a caretaker. strait up and down. a caretaker that could give the future qb some pointers here and there.
--CJ
Armando, Enjoy your journalism. Have one question - What would Jerry Jones do under these conditions ?
Wow Armando. You finally got something right and now you want to play the "I told you so" card. I'm surprised your not a General Manager or Coach with your great knowledge.
Armando,
I'm never one to say I'm perfect and if I'm wrong, then I'll say so. I said I would eat crow if Daunte tore us up and he did, so I munched away on some tasty crow meat after that one.
I didn't say that you said we'd be undefeated. I said that you said that we "could." Could vs should. You pointed out that the early season schedule was favorable, yet here we are at 0-5.
The point was, you said "Why Didn't Miami See this Train Wreck Coming?" How could they have, if YOU, who claims to have his finger on the PULSE of the organization, didn't see it coming either?
To the rest of you who think I'm employed by the Dolphins Mafia....I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I'm just a simple fan from Long Island, New York.
Forgive me if I choose to stand by a coach that has only been an NFL head coach for 5 regular season games and is making some early season gaffes. The rest of us are so darn perfect that WE should be coaching the team instead, huh? If Jimmy Johnson had coached US, instead of the Cowboys, to 1-15 in 1989, would you be registered for the FIREJIMMY.COM website too?
Armando, whatever disagreement we have from time to time, I still enjoy your columns & your blog. Keep up the good work, hermano.
Brian said...
I said it when you posted that and I'll say it again.
Whether Trent Green is the answer depends on the question. And if the question is "who is best to teach Beck this offense?", then Trent Green is the answer.
Regardless of who was our QB right now we wouldn't be very good.
This is the perfect answer. Good job Brian.
i think the whole green thing is irrelevant(or possibly a blessing right now),the state of the defence and the obvious ineptitude of capers(and cameron and mueller)is more dismaying(how do you go from 4th to last with nearly the same roster)in one season?joey porter has to rank as one of the worst free-agency signings in the history of pro sports!the defence has to be totally re-built before anything that happens on offense means squat!
Are you listening to yourself Armando? How in the world can you predict a fluke play like that. I dont care who you are, any quarterback woulda been knocked out after a hit like that. It was not "stacking" because it was over a year ago. He had plenty of time to recover.
I know Green was not the answer, I never liked him, but it is turning out good.
If you get a better QB what could he had done in this team at this moment. probably a coupple of wins and a mediocre season headding to mid round pics nothing more.
Now Beck the feature QB will get more playing time soon, and rookies get more experience and we are in abetter situation for the draft next year.
Offence is much better and will keep on growing and we can focus in defence next year to give Dom Carpers one more chance.
we just need to be patient and enjoy the good thins that come out this season
Woops...I was wrong Armando....
This is what you said:
"We should be 4-2 or 5-1."
So I was wrong....you didn't say undefeated.
I'm just shocked that somebody who could see "a train wreck coming" would predict that this team could be 4-2 or 5-1 after six weeks.
Don't get me wrong...its a friggin train wreck, but for anyone to claim they saw it coming prior to the season starting, thats just horse crap.
Armando, I know we are not going the I told you so route. You have been very wrong about many things this season. 1. You thought Ronnie Brown couldn't be a star.
2. You thought the offensive line was horrible and couldn't be formidable.
3.You thought this defense would be great.
Okay, keep bashing Ted Ginn so that he turns into a hall of famer. It seems like the harder you bash, the better they get.
Trent Green was brought here to teach. Not only Beck, but the offensive line and the receivers. He has been a leader on this team and has the respect of everyone in the entire locker room. He is more than just a quarterback. And his purpose is being fulfilled.
hey wait...they could still go 10-6...so perhaps you're not wrong, (or concussed) after all.
Cam wanted a QB that could read a defense and 'Pep wasn't it. Mike Martz has said also that he didn't like how 'Pep couldn't read defense's. So he went out and got a rookie QB that appears to have plenty of talent, and a proven leader in Green to show Beck how to prepare for games.
Cam has turned this offense around, and will draft to help the defensive in the next draft. Ted Ginn looks like he has alot of potential, if it wasn't for Lemon underthrowing him he would've been gone against the Texans and the Dolphins would have most likely won.
If you look at the best teams in the NFL right now (Indy, NE) they wern't built in one year. They've had the same head coach for some time
Give Cam and Mueller some time, there is a reason they are working in the NFL and we are not.
Was green worth a 5th-rounder? IMO, yes. Some others have stated how key he is to Beck's growth as a mentor. I feel the effects go well beyond that---not only is he key to Beck's development, but everyone else on offense as well. Don't forget this a new offensive system, even the veterans on the team are new to the system. How much harder would it be for them to develop and grow with a crappy quarterback back there vs. one that at least knows the system and can execute it by the book at a decent level? I'm pretty sure Culpepper would not have been that guy. What you have with Green is someone that will run the offense the way it is supposed to be run, generally make the correct decisions, thereby allowing the pieces around him to gel in the system. In a year say, you replace him with Beck, who by now has learned the system, and the parts around him are already in place--you only have Beck as a somewhat new variable, and some amount of contunity is thereby maintained. Even if Culpepper would've produced an extra win or two, I seriously doubt he would've run the offense as a system as well as Green. This season is a rebuilding year folks. Considering that, is a 5th-round pick, someone who most likely is a career backup/special teams player, worth getting your entire offense on track for future years to come? I sure think so.
OK was he supposed to be the QB coach/ mentor / starting QB. Man you guys need to stop creating all these excuses!!! It was a bad choice PERIOD!!!!! Why you ask
1. Trent was in the same boat in KC as Daunte was in Miami, meaning he was going to be released.
2. How do any of you know how well a mentor Trent was compared to Daunte.
3. It really didn't look like Trent had that offense wrap around his finger.
4. and for him to be sooooooooooooo smart and bright at reading defenses , how does one end up with 7 int's in 4 games?????
Really I'm want to give Cam a chance and after seeing the game again last night our offense is greatly improving!! The thing I believe is going to kill us is Randy Muller this guy just goes with the flow its not always a good thing for your coach and GM to be best friends cause when they make a mistake there will be no one pointing it out!!! The fact Randy has been stressing building the team throught the draft , then lets Cam waste a pick on a guy that would've been released. That shows this guy has no plan he's gonna ride Cam's coatail all the way to the promise land if possible!!!
Im tired of just the lack luster personel moves we are making. AJ Feely, Fiedler, Brian Greise, Daunte, Trent Green? I really thought trent was a good temperary fix - and I feel for the guy, im sure he was excited to play here-but his time is done. I blame the organization for not drafting qbs.. or should I say good qbs. If i was the owner I would monitor every draft and question every move since Dan left.
And if Beck does get thrown in there, I sure hope he's as good as Trent Edwards & Brady Quinn, cause both seem to be kicking in the goods.
And Mando
Thanks for finding that post I was looking for it myself!!! Keep up the good work!!!
He needs to stay out not only because he cant through anymore but id hate to see anything happen to the old man......We need to put in Beck to see what he can do.... then we know how o draft .....quarterback or lineman
So im all for the new guy...lets put him in.
One last thing, many of you seem not to know what a GREAT coach is so let me help you. A great coach is defined by his players performance, So by you guys saying DC or anybody for that matter couldn't be coached by Cam your basically saying Cam has to have certain players to be a good coach!!!! And thats just crazy, a great coach brings the best out of all his players smart and dumb!!! Now does Cam fall into that category???
I make secret magic potion and slip into Dolphins players sports drinks. Potion will make each player intelligent and healthy and most important - winners. Then they go on 11 game win streak. End regular season with 11-5 record, go to playoffs and win Superbowl. I no make potion for coaching staff, they are hopeless bunch. No potion strong enough or good enough to make coaching staff better. Coach need go back to his old job.
Can we get Kirk Cameron to coach the team? Cam is a scam! Fire this fool.
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THIS TEAM IS A JOKE.THE OWNER DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE'S DOING, THE G.M STINKS, THE COACH IS IN OVER HIS HEAD, AND THE DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR HAS A FAKE TOUPEE THAT'S AFFECTING HIS THINKING .OTHER THAN THAT WE ARE IN GREAT SHAPE.
I can't believe there are clowns still writing about Culpepper.
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DOLFANS WANT BILL COWHER WAYNE IN 2008!!!!!!!! AND A NEW GM TOO!
Hey Armando:
I remember hearing about Beck studying the offensive playbook all offseason -- from draft day on (that's quite a bit of time, and given that he's Mormon and doesn't drink or smoke the Ricky trees, he probably absorbs information pretty well). I also remember him getting quite a bit of playing time during the preseason. Given all this plus all his film and clipboard work, don't you think he's pretty familiar with cam's system right now? We need big plays, not dinks and dunks, to really capitalize on Ronnie's stellar running, and everyone said Beck had the best touch of all three QBs in camp....
Another draft pick wasted on a quarterback. When will the Phins stop the madness?
JED! That was your best post. Well thought out and you actually added some facts to back up your opinions. I still want to give Cam one more year before making my decision but you definitely made sense and got me thinking. Good job. I was hoping they could surprise some people this year but like the other poster said, one third of your team is rookies what did we expect. Cam has made some questionable decisions but has also made some good ones. Mare being shown the door for a draft pick was very smart. New Orleans is about to cut him! Getting 2 draft picks for Welker was smart. He wouldn't have done as well here as in NE,we don't have Brady. Turned into Beck and Wright. Liewinski was a good signing. Satele and Mauia are monsters and all heart. David Martin is no worse a pass catcher than Randy was but he's a MUCH better blocker. Moving Carey to left tackle is helping the run game. The play calling is the most creative I've ever seen out of this team in a long time. Porter, big mistake. No d-line depth,,big mistake. Jury is still out on Ginn. I love the kids attitude and I hope he continues to improve so we can see him starting opposite of Chambers next year. See guys, there are SOME positives, it's not all bad.
I DID SEE THE TRAIN WRECK. PRIOR TO THE FIRST GAME, I WROTE THAT I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE THE PERFECTLY IMPERFECT SEASON; 0 AND 16. I GOT A FEW ANGRY RESPONSES AS IF I DID NOT KNOW ENOUGH.
RICK - FAN SINCE 1978
Stirring the pot, are we Armando? Good debate, but you are one of the main reasons these fans who post here are so hard up to get Cameron fired.
You knew the Secondary on this team would get scorched on a regular basis.
You knew the O-Line was being built from the ground up.
You knew that many of the playmakers on both side of the ball were let go in the offseason to bring in fresh talent. (that team needed to be blown up, so all good there)
You, sir, are supposed to know, and understand football, and yet, you still could not see that this was a team in rebuilding mode? How ignominious of you to mislead the readers of your columns into a belief that this team could go somewhere this season. 10-6, indeed!
Cam is doing a very good job considering the mess he inherited, and I say give him one more year. The job he did with Ronnie Brown alone should be a pretty good clue that Cam knows how to work with offensive players.
It will take time to put Humpty Dumpty together again, so how about being real with the readers about rebuilding, and quit giving false hope, and fueling unrealistic expectations...
Dolphins 35 - Browns 31
Go Dolphins!
DrumFinFan
What? If Armando can be a hypocrite, so can I!
Signed,
Paying attention is hard work!
Go 'Fins!
DrumFinFan
Huezinga is as lousy owner who knows nothing about football...he hires inept coaches who cannot coach...they draft Ginns and Porters when the team's needs are entirely different...sad how lousy South Florida's football team has been and continues to be
Cameron an Mueller's personnel decisions :
- sign Joey Porter and wasted $20 million
- fire Joey Harrington and Daunte Culpepper
- bring in Trent Green
- draft a punt returner with the 9th overall pick
- draft a 26 years old QB in round two
Fire those gentlemen, please.
Bring back Wanny ! At least we Dolfans had playoffs hope 'til mid october...
And trade JT to the Chargers who have no pass rush, so that our best player has a chance to win the big game before calling it a career.
Trent Green's brains are making me hungry...
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COME ON GUYS!!!!!!
WHAT THIS TEAM NEEDS IS REAL HOPE. NOT A 37 YEAR OLD QB. NOT A OVERRATED HOTHEADED LB IN PORTER. NOT A FAMILY FRIEND IN GINN. NOT A CLUELESS COACH IN SHAMERON. WHAT THIS TEAM NEEDS IS SOMEONE TO REMIND THEM THAT THIS TEAM WAS ONCE A PROUD ORGANIZATION.
EVERYTHING THIS OWNER AND COACH HAVE DONE HAS BROUGHT DESPAIR. I'M SICK AND TIRED OF WAITING FOR DESPAIR TO TURN INTO HOPE.
ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN UNTIL H WAYNE SELLS THIS TEAM. IT WILL BE DECADES BEFORE WE SNIFF THE ENZONE IN A SUPER BOWL GAME.
COME ONE GUYS. GET REAL ABOUT THIS SITUATION.
ARMANDO, you saw this coming? YOURE THE MORON WHO SAID THE FINS WOULD MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!! YOU PLAY BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE
Unfortunately, we all saw too many things coming that the Dolphin brass apparently did not. Why give up a draft pick for your boy Culpepper when Brees was available? Why Jason Allen, a guy who shifted between two positions at school and had an injury history? I support not taking Brady Quinn, but why Ted Ginn? I could go on and on, much like the losing ways we've fallen into. As someone pointed out, if Trent was the "bridge" to help Beck, why not just hire a coach that wouldn't have cost us a draft pick? Put the rookies on the field, let's see what we have. Please don't try to sell us on the fact that these guys "aren't ready" or that you can effectively evaluate them on the practice field. I'm not saying play them for a whole game even; why not give Beck a few series to play, or a quarter or two? Mr. H. needs to know that we the fans will pull for this team, and we'll always support them, but somewhere along the line just give us something to look forward to, ok?
Gee, deja vous all over again regarding Cam's comments on bringing Green to S. Florida. Didn't Saban say the same thing about Culpepper?
This is such a poor management decision from the Dolphins front office that people should be FIRED for making.
I am not an NFL GM, but I have managed an IT Department and the only analagous reference i could make is:
If I were to wait for another company to throw out a Server that had a catastrophic Hard Drive Failure, i go to their dumpster, pick it up and make it my Core Server for my revenue generating enterprise.
Only this is a human being which is way worse on the liability, and humanitarian risk.
There is no accountability from the top for the Miami Dolphins which is why this consitent failure is happenening.
Dont expect anything else.
I don't care about Green.
I am still just happy Ted Ginn Jr. comes from a good family.
This is how I see it. It's a little like a bad movie. The director and writer of a movie that sucks are too close to it, and they can't see that they made some bad choices. But the average bloke who wanders off the street knows instantly that the movie sucks. It's the same thing with coaches. Trading for Green, keeping Ginn on the sidelines, not playing Booker, trading away Wright, all moves that anyone on the street can fall off a bench at the bus stop and still, upon errecting himself, look at and say, bad move, don't do it. Same as any bumb on the street could look at Wannstedt's offensive play calling and say, "that's stupid play calling.'' Cameron is getting particularly annoying in this way, if only because he seems to prone to make stupid decisions based on knowing the person in the past. The bottom line is, in many instances, the fans litterally know mistakes the coaches are making, and the coaches, somehow clouded by being too close to the situation, coupled with their own idiosyncracies, might not ever, ever, ever see it.
Look both of these clowns knew what they were getting in Trent "Good night sleep tight" Green. The guy just woke up from a 16-week nap in Kansas City. They did not want him anymore, because they understood it was over. So they rolled the dice with a former Miami back-up quarterback. Cam Cameron is not a head coach. Its obvious he's lead by his emotions, hence the Trent Green signing for a draft pick. If they would have waited until June 15, they could have signed him off of waivers for nothing. Kansas City was going to cut him. But because Cam and Trent used to hold hands and give each other reachy 'rounds, Cam thought it would be nice to share the love with Randy. When you got two jackasses making decisions, you get jackass decisions. Somebody get Andy Cohen a Dolphin Cheerleader outfit, so that he is more pleasing to the eye as he gives Cam and Randy head. There is no way you can have confidence in these two clowns to make good decisions long or short term for this franchise. They need to leave not now but right now.
It's not a coincidence that these two severe concussions have happened to Green after he turned 36. He has lost a step mentally, and I don't even he or Cameron or anyone else noticed, but all the picks and the two injuries prove he doesn't have the mental quickness he used to.
Reminds me of Roy Jones getting knocked out. When you rely on quickness and your wits to get things done, in a highly competitive environment even a 5% decline can mean the end.
The first year I was old enough to really pay attention to football I was 9,,,it was 1972,,and my team never lost. In 1973 when they did finnaly loose a game I thought it had to be just a Fluke,,How could my Dolphins loose a game. Then in 1974 No Super Bowl,, how could this be???
Well we have come along way since then now havent we?
Face it people Shula is gone.
Marino is gone.
We are going to be in this Black hole for awhile, get use to it.
I have never seen more whinning in my life than all you fair weather fans. You think like I did back when I was 10 years old. The Dolphins cant loose, and if they do I'm gonna cry.
Grow up everything must come to an end.
This end has been comming for along time, and those of you who thought it could be changed over night are fools.
5 games in and you want the rookie coaches head on a stick. He was handed crap to start with, you know what you get when you try to polish a turd $#!ty fingers. Then the poo flung back at you by a bunch of monkeys who exspected it to some how turn to gold.
Some of you say give him till next year,,,that wont do it we are looking at atleast 2-3 years to get this team right again..Camron should atleast have as long as Wanny had,,(what a mistake he was)He was given a great Bears team and totally destroyed them.Again was handed a good Dolphins team and look at it now..Camron was handed a Mess and has atleast made some improvements...Like another poster said just the difference in Brown this year has been worth it.
Normally I agree with you, but this post is just preening. Nothing worse than when a blog is all about how smart you were and how dumb everyone else was. At the end of the year, do you post all your predictions and opinions that didn't come true? I bet not.
Everyone is just one hit away from being scrambled eggs in the NFL, or worse yet, a vegetable from the neck down.
The Green trade was the kind of "emotion over logic" move that we were so often stuck with during the Wannspiel Error.
Saying he's a "mentor" is a weak excuse. Tom Brady and Tony Romo had Drew Bledsoe as a "mentor", and he was no more willing to do that than Culpepper, and it certainly didn't hurt their development.
Besides, Lemon's also been in this system for several years.
Cam's done a few good things, but I'm not optimistic about him. He clearly gave away at least two draft picks (Booker has no upside to ever start in the NFL; that pick was no better than picking Travis Minor, in fact it was worse because at least Minor contributed on ST's) and did not get maximum value for # 9 overall.
We need a return to sound, logical decisions in Miami. It's been over a decade since logic prevailed around here.
Trent Green was just trying to make something happen.
Armando, I just hope we finally hit rock bottom, beacuse this team is losing identity, we have a very hard start this season and it looks like it can only get worse, In respect to Trent, I just hope the guy will be fine, It wouldn`t matter who was under that helmet it would have been the same result, this team is improving on offense, but its losing on defense because they are trying to go younger meaning development; gentlemen get it straight cam can, but like is star wars, !we have to give them more time!
Train wreck? We gave up middle-round pick for Trent, hardly a train wreck. Having Cleo in there now isn't much a dropoff either, if at all.
I'm old. That said I have been an obsessd fan since 1966 and we watched George Wilson let his son QB the Dolphins. As hard as I try to be open minded Cam's decidions seem just as nepotistic hiring based on prior relationships and not talent or proven ability.This is hard to sit and watch without waves of nausea. I dont care who they start even if they make a mistake now and then just show somwe F***ing desire. I sit in that stadium actually I stood in the rain and the team looked like that were at an OTA, no visible emotion or desire. As a defensive player I would have done anything I could to stop DC from wagging his finger in my face. And on offence when you have just driven down the field 60 yards by running Ronnie why let your 2nd string throw 3 straight inept passes? Coaching is ONLY teaching and making decisions. Cam is the only person in the NFL world that didn't see this injury coming. My fear now is that with some of the play calls we have that now that we are through the "EASY" part of our season we could really enjoy some ass whippins. I guess we'll see what kind of heart our team has and if they have the stones as a team to turn this around some at this point in the season. I think you let Cleo start one or two but if he can't do anything mightb as well Beck get some OJT to prepare for next year.
I was never opposed to the Dolphins bringing in Trent Green as a mentor to Beck, I think it was a good movie on their part. What I have a problem with is them giving KC a 4th/5th round pick for this guy. We could have had him for free if we had waited just a little longer. Now Cam's reasoning was that he wanted Green in sooner rather then later to get him familiar with the offense...HELLO! this line of reasoning makes no sense at all when you consider that part of the reason he wanted Green in the first his familiarity with the offensive system. True, it takes time to get the timing down with the offensive unit but this is a veteren guy and a 4th or 5th is plenty for a guy that may never play another down for this org....
The season is lost. I am willing to wager everything we own that there is no way we could possibly go on a miraculous 10-1 run to make the playoffs. As a result, I think John Beck needs to become our starter after the bye week. If he does not show any improvement as he progresses through the season, we absolutely must draft Brian Brohm.
This franchise has not been the same since Dan Marino retired. This franchise will not re-enter the upper-echelon until we acquire a franchise QB yet again. With Beck and Brohm on our roster, hopefully one of the two will fill the shoes that have been empty for far too long.
If any of you would like to read a view of Cameron and Mueller that flies in the face of so many of the uninformed blanket denunciations of the pair, go to miamidolphins dot com and look for the article Andy Kent posted yesterday.
It makes a suffering Fin fan feel so much better. Kent has covered the Dolphins since 1980 and his comments might surprise and delight.
It's certainly superior fare to reading much of the blather here.
Armando you sang praises to Green!! And you ripped DC to shreds! Said his knee would never work again.
The hack backpeddles once again.
Cam let his feelings and loyalty toward Trent cloud his thinking, sadly.
-- Bebo
I am just so glad that we picked Ted Ginn with #9. He utilizes his speed on is way to the bench after he waves his hand to fair catch the punt.
Hey Rick Mueller,
Its seems that Sammy Morris is injured and might miss a month of the season. I thought you might want to go ahead and restock New England with a another R.B. The way Ronnie Brown is playing i'm sure you could get another 2nd round pick for his services! You and Wayne Huzinga should be ashamed of yourselves! Rebuilding? or Retooling? The fact is that Wayne has turned the Miami Dolphin franchise into a joke. I am just glad Mr. Robbie is not alive to see what has become of his pathetic team!
Worst Front office in the NFL, they traded Wes Welker (last years leading reciever) to the pats, crapped on themselves in this years draft, traded away chambers for a 50th + overall draft pick. Mueller needs to be fired.
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