Chatman now better, RB starter in air again
[MONDAY AFTERNOON UPDATE] Last night when the Dolphins went to bed here in The Burgh, it was pretty well known among players and coaches that Ricky Williams was going to get his first start all of seven days after his first Dolphins practice.
Well, while that may still hold true, the situation has become more fluid in the past couple of hours. Seems regular starter Jesse Chatman, limping on a bad ankle since the Philadelphia game last week, has been telling coaches he feels much better now and wants to play.
So now, although it looks like Williams will still figure prominently into Miami's plans, the resurfacing of Chatman -- who did not practice full speed even once this week -- could change how Cam Cameron handles the RB situation.
Now Cameron must weigh not only which player looked best and is healthiest the past week (Williams) but how the ego of another player (Chatman) could be affected by his decision on who starts.
Regardless of which direction Cameron finally leans, Ricky will likely run for the Dolphins again tonight. And it should be interesting to see how he does given his time away from the game, the fact he is 30 years old now, and his relative lack of practice time.
One thing working in Ricky's favor is that this offensive line is perhaps the best and most effective he has run behind since he's been with the Dolphins. Yes, I realize he gained 1,853 behind Tim Ruddy, Jamie Nails, Mark Dixon, Todd Perry and Todd Wade in 2002.
But within 18 months of helping Ricky establish that team-record individual rushing season, all of the players on that line were either off the roster or out of the league altogether. This Miami line helped turn Ronnie Brown from an also-ran to a likely Pro Bowl performer had he remained healthy.
It will be interesting to see what that line does for Ricky.
On another note that could have far-reaching implications, Zach Thomas is traveling with the Dolphins although he is not playing. Why?
Well, the specialist he has been seeing since suffering a concussion against the Dallas Cowboys in Week 2 is in Pittsburgh. So Thomas traveled to Pittsburgh with the team to see the specialist again. I am told the visit is significant because Thomas is at a cross-roads and wants to take one direction or another during this visit.
He is hoping he gets clearance from his specialist so he can resume practicing with the goal of playing again this season. If he does not get clearance, he will consider shutting it down for the remainder of the season.
Thomas, I am told, is optimistic the news will be good and he'll be back practicing later this week. We shall see.
Well, while that may still hold true, the situation has become more fluid in the past couple of hours. Seems regular starter Jesse Chatman, limping on a bad ankle since the Philadelphia game last week, has been telling coaches he feels much better now and wants to play.
So now, although it looks like Williams will still figure prominently into Miami's plans, the resurfacing of Chatman -- who did not practice full speed even once this week -- could change how Cam Cameron handles the RB situation.
Now Cameron must weigh not only which player looked best and is healthiest the past week (Williams) but how the ego of another player (Chatman) could be affected by his decision on who starts.
Regardless of which direction Cameron finally leans, Ricky will likely run for the Dolphins again tonight. And it should be interesting to see how he does given his time away from the game, the fact he is 30 years old now, and his relative lack of practice time.
One thing working in Ricky's favor is that this offensive line is perhaps the best and most effective he has run behind since he's been with the Dolphins. Yes, I realize he gained 1,853 behind Tim Ruddy, Jamie Nails, Mark Dixon, Todd Perry and Todd Wade in 2002.
But within 18 months of helping Ricky establish that team-record individual rushing season, all of the players on that line were either off the roster or out of the league altogether. This Miami line helped turn Ronnie Brown from an also-ran to a likely Pro Bowl performer had he remained healthy.
It will be interesting to see what that line does for Ricky.
On another note that could have far-reaching implications, Zach Thomas is traveling with the Dolphins although he is not playing. Why?
Well, the specialist he has been seeing since suffering a concussion against the Dallas Cowboys in Week 2 is in Pittsburgh. So Thomas traveled to Pittsburgh with the team to see the specialist again. I am told the visit is significant because Thomas is at a cross-roads and wants to take one direction or another during this visit.
He is hoping he gets clearance from his specialist so he can resume practicing with the goal of playing again this season. If he does not get clearance, he will consider shutting it down for the remainder of the season.
Thomas, I am told, is optimistic the news will be good and he'll be back practicing later this week. We shall see.
posted by Armando Salguero at 12:27 AM
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Amazing that Ricky is starting.
MORE Amazing that almost ALL fans welcome Ricky back.
O-Fer desperation got the best of us!!
If Ricky, Beck, & co. can do the unthinkable ... Ricky may be king of South Beach again!!
C'mon Phins!!! Cheers, JerryD
While you may enjoy writing it, I really don't care about the "Cam Cameron has to eat crow and bring RW back" story. I'm not denying that there is a story but it bores me to tears.
If the Phins were in the playoff hunt he probably would not bring RW back (why risk the distraction if RW is busted again?). Now that we are playing for next season, bringing RW back and show casing him (especially when Chatman is injured) makes perfect sense. At this point it won't matter if RW fails another test and becomes a distraction.
As for Zach, I hope is doctor is conservative in his assessment. No point in scrambling Zach's brains for a lost season. Zach doesn't need the practice but a lot of young guys do.
A.J. Feely looked good against the Pats but he also showed why he is definitely not starting QB material: (1) He still can't throw the "out" pass and (2) when victory was in the eagle's grasp he threw a game losing interception. Do you think Jeff Garcia would have won that game? I do.
I'm sure the fact he looked damn good in practice didn't hurt.
Armando, you are the man. first to break all the news. Here's to Ricky breaking a long one or two! Welcome back Ricky!!!!!!
I think the fans want a win so bad the dont care if Cameron runs the ball. GOOD LUCK TONIGHT, we need this win.
Well, they say that necessity is the mother of invention. This year is the mother of surprises. I am struggling to remember anyone predicting anything even remotely connected to the current situation and, with regards to Ricky, there was a slew of chatter about his return ... back then.
Good luck Ricky, good luck Cam, good luck John-Boy, good night Irene.
Only in Armando's blog does this happen: a coach gets ridiculed and second-guessed for playing the best option available by the same writer who would have written how ridiculusly "stubborn" the same coach would have been for releasing Williams instead of playing him.
Armando, if you are going to opine on this blog as you always state that you will, then pick a side and stay on it.
Kinda proves the old "my karma ran over my dogma" bit to Cam Cameron, doesn't it?
Still, I'm glad to see Ricky getting another chance. I hope he doesn't blow it. (pun intended)
Adultfan......who cares???
We are here to talk about Ricky!!
I'm happy he's back, I wish we still had Ronnie to give them the 1, 2 punch!!
Go Dolpohins!!!
What a scoop! Don't pull a muscle patting yourself on the back, Mandy.
Can't beleive I am stock watching those losers (0-whatever)tonight on MNF.What a disgrace to a national audience.Oh and I also have to watch the come back of a 5 times drug offender as the savior of a franchise.Ridiculuous.
Guess I am going to sleep early tonight.Enjoy Miami You are the only ones who will.Cause watching you makes everybody else want to vomit.
haha...whats more pathetic..The dolphins or you for coming to their blog.
You got to love people that are so smug to give their vomiting commits but dont have the balls to use even a nickname. Yeah, you are so right, you need your bueaty sleep. So go back to your teams forum and get ignored there too. Moron
This is good for the dolphins for several reasons, 1)The fins HAVE to win atleast 1 game this year to defend the honor of the 72' team, and 2)Dolphins need to showcase RW for a trade. This is good news for the fins! Go Miami
So, Ricky's starting....What quarter will his first fumble come in?
Picked up Ricky on the waiver wire when news broke of his inevitable return. RUN RICKY RUN!!!!
Marc, you actually want him to fail, don't you.
I don't have a problem with Ricky. He did the time for his stupidity. I think it's pretty amazing the guy can learn the offense and be ready to play in 1 week. How can he be so smart at one thing and so stupid at another?
Marc, Ricky's fumbles seemed inordinate, but his fumbles per carry ratio is not too bad compared to other backs. You have to temper it because of the sheer number of carries Ricky had during the Wannstedt years. We may see some balls hit the ground not because Ricky has fumblitis but because he has not been hit in practically a year.
Everyone should remember the cold reality that players in the NFL are commodities and each has a value. The more Ricky can show the more his value rises. Cameron really doesn't have a choice in this. There is not way we would let Ricky get a way without getting something in return for him.
I hope the man has a great game. I'll be at my local watering hole with my Dolphins gear on getting ridiculed like I have all season. But you know what? I don't give a flying "F"... I'm going down with my team!!! GO FINS!!!
Marc, you sound like the type of guy that would bash Michael Jordan for missing a free throw. The positives of Ricky on the field outweigh anything you could argue. In case you are one of the 15 year old bloggers here who have not been around, besides being the best running back the fins ever had, Ricky also has the best hands as a reciever of any back in football, bar none. It's fine to complain about something legitimate, but you just sound bitter. Take your personal troubles elsewhere.
wont know how the ol' boy does until ya give him a chance. i hope like the rest of you that Ricky has a good game. not for himself, i could care less about that, but the team and us fans really need this.
if all else fails PUT LORENZO BOOKER. IN!!!! i mean come on. that kid is fast as hell....but he lacks size.
GO FINS!
ARMANDO I DOUBT YOU READ THESE COMMENTS...BUT IF YOU DO...
IF CAM DECIDED TO NOT PLAY RICKY, YOUR ARTICLE WOULD BE ABOUT HOW DUMB HE IS AND HOW HE SHOULD PLAY HIM....NOW THAT HE IS, YOUR ARTICLE IS ABOUT HOW HE HAS TO PLAY THE GUY THAT HE DIDN'T EVEN WANT ON THE TEAM.
GO WRITE FOR ANOTHER TEAM
Armondo, I agree with Mike, aside from Chatman being hurt the reason Ricky is starting is because he is in great shape, which is a real credit to him, credit which you don't acknowledge in your piece. You make it sound more like it's a desperation move, and on the surface it does seem that way, what with Ronnie and Chatman down. But if Ricky was not in great shape, despite the circumstances, he would not be playing. Add to this that if he is 70% of what he was he will be better than Chatman. This guy is one of the greatest all-time RB's ever, if you look at the years he played the entire season. Don't see any mention of that from you. As for Cam, you have to play the cards that life deals you. Sure, if he had a healthy back he likely would not play Ricky, but this is his best option tonight.
just to get away from the RB subject, also.....i think that beck has the capabilities to be a great QB for the fins if they hold on to him. obviously he is no marino...but if they develope him, i think he'll be a stud. they just really need their passing game up and running. the linemen are good, and the running game, as we have seen with ronnie and chatman, is good.
GO BECK!
I'm not hating, nor do I wish ill-will upon him. I am a Dolphins fan. The reality, however, is he's ALWAYS been fumble-prone, and take 18 mons off, it's almost a guarantee! As far as I know, we haven't had a running back this year fumble, much less lose a fumble....I'm not 15, I was born in '78 and been a fan my entire life. But that doesn't change FACTS.
99 6 Fumbles
00 6 Fumbles
01 8 Fumbles
02 7 Fumbles
03 7 Fumbles
05 1 Fumble
That's 35 career fumbles vs 47 career TD's!
So, who would bet that he won't fumble?
DON:
"besides being the best running back the fins ever had, Ricky also has the best hands as a reciever of any back in football, bar none."
Those, are what we call OPINIONS...Not fact, no "bar none" in the NFL.
Armando, Is it your philosophy that Ricky should be punished forever for his past mistakes? Despite the bizarre circumstances of the RW story, it certainly looks to me like the guy 'earned' his way back, unlike some of these other thugs that actually did very bad things.
Hey Marc - why don't you be fair and include how many carries the guy had. You cite facts selectively, not objectively. Wannstedt ran the guy how many times behind an offensive line that was being constantly ridiculed by our opponents? How many backs today could have rushed for 1800+ yards on a team with no passing game, where the defenders were keying on RW the whole game? Why not compare his fumbles per carry compared to other pro bowl backs and see how that adds up...
love to pick on a loser...and here I am about to pick on the biggest one of them all....overwhelming!!!!
May be I should wait after you get slapped silly on national TV tonight? This is too delicious a plate to just go ahead and start the diggin'...See you soon loosers..We are going to have a great time together!!!Trust me.lol
Because that would require further WORK. Why don't YOU compare those #'s. Point is, regardless of his carries, regardless of his production, he's ALWAYS fumbled the ball. I'm not saying he WASN'T (past-tense) a GREAT RB, however, fubles are to RB's as INT's are to QB's! I would LOVE for Ricky to come back and rush for 300 Yards and 3 TD's while catching another 2. I don't see this happening though! If he does have a spectacular game I'll be the first to congratulate, I just wouldn't hold my breath!
folks, for those of you who don't know it, Marc is the resident, redneck, mentally bent out of shape, gay bashing, flag-poler, regular blogger on this site. there is really no point in responding to him.
You're ALMOST right. I'm not, however, a redneck. I was born in Orlando...Pine Hills.
None of that matters when I'm right though, anonymous
Hey Adultfan,
Maybe Mando writes like a child, and sucks and whatever else you want to say, but guess what?
YOU READ IT, and you commented on it and any media member, especially commentary writers and talk show hosts, are paid to get readers to read. So no matter what you say, the fact that you read and then hate only helps Mando.
You are Mando's puppet.
Mando says to you:
"Obey your master
Your life burns faster
Obey your master
Master
Master of puppets Im pulling your strings
Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams
Blinded by me, you cant see a thing
Just call my name, `cause Ill hear you scream
Master
Master
Just call my name, `cause Ill hear you scream
Master
Master"
Eat it! Thanks Mando for pissing off the pseudo-intellectuals.
Marc,
Your facts are somewhat skewed. Ricky did fumble those times, but his fumbles lost are as follows:
1999 - 3
2000 - 3
2001 - 6
2002 - 5
2003 - 5
2005 - 1
That is only 23 fumbles (not 35)!
In that time, he has 51 TDs (47 rush, 4 rec).
He has also played in 82 games, so his fumbles lost is one every 3.5 games. Thats not a bad ratio, but you can't compare it to INTs.
RICKY IS A GREAT GUY, honest and true.
I hope he runs for 200+
GO RICKY! GO FINS! Hook'em always!
I don't know where you got this scoop Armando, but the Dolphins website is reporting Chatman will start.
Do you think HE was recovering those lost fumbles? Maybe a couple, but that doesn't change the fact the HE coughed the ball up! (Hence my REFERENCE to INT's)
I never said INT's were the same as Fumbles. I said that Fumbles to a RB is equal to INT's for a QB. They are mistakes, and they USUALLY (65% of the time, according to your #'s) result in a turnover!
One every 3.5 games is NOT a bad ratio?
Using your logic, Willie Parker (seems like a fitting comparison since we'll be playing the Steelers) lost one Fumble every 9.8 games.
I understand the team is not doing well, and nobody is happy, but gee why are there so many hateful, bitter people on this site? Is it mainly because the season is bad or is florida just full of hateful people in general?
My fantasy partner and I are dumb, plain and simple. We benched Fred Taylor yesterday and opted for novelty act Ricky Williams in our starting line-up. We need 30 yards in any fashion to force a tie. Despite what the article says, is he really starting tonight? If not, is he suiting up? Will he play? WE ARE TWEAKING OUT! Please respond with good news...thanks!
Sincerely,
Dumb and Dumber
-Chicago, IL
Sean Taylor got shot in the groin! TWICE! OUCH, that was a bad SOB!
Marc,
So do you think Adrian Peterson sucks too. He has had 3 fumbles lost in 9 games. One in every 3 games.
I am glad that Ricky is back, and I hope he has a great game. He was fun to watch, and gave the fins a chance to win in every game he played.
Since Cam CamMoron is an awful coach, he probably won't play Ricky.
Go Dolphins!!!
WHAT IS MORE AMAZING IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE A WIN YET, AND, ARE STARTING A Q.B. WITH ONE GAES EXERIENCE. WE NEED TO WIN ONE GAME. LEMON GIVES US THAT ONLY HOPE, NOT BECK. BECK IS THE FUTURE. THIS IS NOT THE FUTURE, IT IS THE NOW....LEMON MIGHT BEAT CINCI., JET, OR BUFFALO. SO, I SEE TONIHT AS A DEFINATE LOSS, AND THE Q.B. WILL NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE. START LEMON AGAINST TE E TEAMS MENTIONED, AND BECK AGAINST THE DEFINEATE LOSSES FOR HIM TO GET PLAYING TIME NOW. N.E. BALTIMORE, AND PITTSBURGH WILL KILL US NO MATTER WHO START.
How about Ronnie Brown, who's only LOST 5 fumbles in 35 games, or one every 7! (When it's 7 total fumbles in 35 games , one every 5, still a better ratio! )It doesn't matter whether you lose it or not, a fumble is a fumble! You are skewing stats as well. Just because he didn't lose it, doesn't mean it's not a fumble, it just means it wasn't a turnover, and that's likely because a teammate was there to recover!
I never said he sucked, or that I WANTED him to fumble, nor am I hating. Man, you guys are so sensitive. It's reality, it's criticism, it's not being NEGATIVE. Williams is a notorious fumbler, I simply stated that he will, more than likely FUMBLE. I DO hope he has a good game, as I ALSO stated.
How about:
Joseph Addai
L Tomlinson
Brian Westbrook
All in the Top 10, all with over 195 Rushing attempts, all with ZERO Fumbles on the year.
TOM@JAX,
Can you provide a link for that info? I don't see ANYTHING on miamidolphins.com that is reporting Chatman is starting.
He is listed as starting in the pre-game lineup, but that was submitted earlier. That isn't an official declaration.
It says Santonio Holmes is starting too but I believe he is out.
I'm gonna take Mandy's word on this one. He was right about Beck, chances are he's right about Ricky. Who else are they gonna start? Cobbs?
My fantasy partner and I started Ricky tonight over Fred Taylor yesterday. Yep, the novelty act is legitimately in our starting line-up and we couldn't be more tweaked about it. No offense to the Phins legion out there but major fantasy implications on the line and we need just 30 measly yards. Is he starting or what? If not, is he suiting up? Getting some action?
Your info will keep our minds at bay...thanks!
Sincerely,
Dumb and Dumber (Chicago)
Marc - Practice what you preach, your following comment is only YOUR little opinion, not fact: "Williams is a notorious fumbler". Notorious? Good luck finding an article on a major sports site concurring with you, and it would take many such articles before you can use the word Notorious. You are exaggerating to bolster stance, not reality.
Just a quick scan of this blog confirms the government has been quite effective in dumbing down society to cockroach levels of intellect. What was once a great country is now inhabited by a trivial and barely literate society. Whats next??? Scary thought.
how about a few hits in the top 10 results for the search term "Ricky Williams fumbles".
http://sports.wizbangblog.com/2004/08/ricky_williams_no_big_loss.php
From SI
"NFL teams at the scouting combine in Indianapolis in February looked at Williams and wondered how he could have gained so much weight. They measured his relatively tiny hands and short arms, and began to worry that Williams' body type might mean he'd fumble. "
A QUOTE FROM RICKY HIMSELF!
"I gain weight every year at this time, so to me it was nothing new," Williams said. "As far as my hands go, yeah, I fumbled a couple times. But I think I made up for it."
I'm sure there's more. Anyone with half a memory can remember commentators constantly mentioning it.
Look at the career stats for ANY of the backs I mentioned before. Westbrook has fumbled TWICE in over 80 games!
So, to state this as FACTUAL as possible. Ricky Williams fumbles more often than other elite backs in the NFL. He also has consistently fumbled over the years more than other elite backs.
OK, that was entirely factual. I'd say that makes him notorious...That, of course, is my opinion, that other's seem to agree with.
Least we not forget the man is 30 now, has missed 18 months, and wasn't exactly lightin' up the Canooks!
Once again, I wish him the best, but cannot ignore FACTS. If you're going to argue facts, back them up with FACTS.
I think starting Ricky Williams is the SMARTEST thing that Cam Cameron will do since he came to the MIAMI DOLPHINS!
I am a long time fan from all the way in the WEST COAST! and Ricky is a DAMN GOOD player!
Bringing Ricky back will be the difference in what direction the DOLPHINS will make this year to next year!
Hell...I'm optimistic enough that I think RICKY can run all over the PATS!!! BIG UPSET!!!!
GO RICKY!!! GO!!!!
The facts are that the last time we were even close to competive is when he was the rushing champion.
And how long ago was that? You could say the same of Marino...
How many times did he fumble during the year of the rushing title? How many of those fumbles were gamebreakers for us? Seriously, since we are talking facts, I'd like to know those numbers? I honestly don't remember his fumbling being that great of an issue for me.
Mr Mando, I have never read a reporter who starts more articles with 'Hey folks, I was right again!' than you. It's quite funny.
Umm, read prior posts. He fumbled 7 times that year VS 16 TD's and 1800+ yards. I'm guessing enough were gamebreakers, considering we didn't make the playoffs? But, hey, we were competative, right? They might not have been an issue, for YOU, but Ricky's fumbulitis has always been an issue. You must be the potheads coming to defend him! That's why you are all taking the facts so personally....Makes sense now
Let's see Marc, you've come up with:
1.some anonymous blogger comment
2. a quote from Ricky about ONE single game
3.some SI article that stated some scouters were worried that his body time MIGHT mean he'd fumble.
All in all you have feeble argument, based on very little fact, and more conjecture. It's quite a stretch to state that is factual evidence Ricky a Notorious fumbler from that drivel.
Be glad you are not a trial lawyer, no doubt your clients would be on the losing end of the case.
Ricky had the following touches(rush/rec) with the 'Fins.
430(383/47) in 2002.
442(392/50) in 2003.
185(168/17) in 2005.
Armando, any word on what the roster move will be to free up a spot for Ricky? Could it be Zach going to I.R. or something less notable?
Wow, talk about ignoring the FACTS and STATISTICS. Those simply stated in black in white that he fumbles more often than other elite backs.
I came up with a couple articles based on a 10-second google search. Rest assured if I was a prosecutor I'd put in more time to research.
Yet, your argument is NOT that he didn't fumble, but that he's being wrongfully accused of being fumble-prone?
What exactly is your argument? That he doesn't fumble that often? Or that I shouldn't be calling him out for it?
I'd love for all you anonymous posters to add a name so that when he DOES fumble, and he WILL, I'll be able to call you on it.
First of all, I was asking you a question? I did not call you a name. Second of all you really think his fumbles, after that monster year, was why we didn't make the playoffs? And I'm the pot head? Riiiighhht. Well, hopefully he does well tonight. I hope he has cured his fumbilitis for you sanity.
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My argument is that it is a stretch for you to call him a 'notorious' fumbler. Facts? Geez... I replayed back your facts from your search which revealed nothing factual as to YOUR argument that he is a notorious fumbler. I'm only tring to put things in perspective. Has he fumbled? Sure. Does RW have a reputation across the league as a notorious fumbler? Of course not. That is your opinion and nothing more.
I will admit however that today I am even a bigger loser than you are simply for wasting my time trying to reason with some wonder bread Orlando suburbanite raised on strip malls and probably microwave food.
At least I've learned that blogging is a useless attempt at interactive communication and a grand waste of time.
Checking out, go ahead and call me out when RW fumbles, just better call loud because I won't tagging along to 'hear' it here in the blog.
First of all, I don't know WHO is asking me questions when they're all named "ANONYMOUS". I didn't call anyone any "names", unless you're refeering (pun) to pothead, but I don't really think that counts as a derogatory "name". What would you prefer to be called? Marijuana enthusiasts? I didn't say that his fumbles were the reason, but his monster year certainly didn't even get us to the playoffs.
When will it stop?
I never said he wasn't great, I simply stated that throughout the course of his career he has fumbled, often (relative to the rest of the NFL's great backs).
Am I not allowed to be wary of a guy with that history, along with all of the other factors and be cautious? Or should I blindly believe that through meditation, self-medication, and time off that Ricky suddenly WON'T fumble, and will have a career day?
I certainly hope so, I'm just not going to get my hopes too high, and recommend the same....
and the anonymous exblogger, good riddens ;)
Dude, everyone fumbles at some point. Its like saying someone will eventually shank a kick or throw a pick. Great backs fumble, Great QBs throw picks. It happens. He was a great back, hopefully he still will be. Maybe his Yoga helped him with the fumbilitis...yeah...like Tiki with his fumbilitis. I like saying that...fumbilitis.
not to change the subject but did anyone watch the hawaii game the other night, Colt Brennan and his receiver Bess I want on the dolphins.
Brennan has such a quick release and that Bess kid catches everything (no drops), something are receivers do on a regular basis. what ya think
I agree, everyone fumbles, and makes mistakes. Some just do so more often than others!
Boy, am I glad you mentioned Tiki. As you can see from the following statement losing 6 fumbles in consecutive years was a concern, and considered a "weakness". So with that said, Ricky losing 6,6, and 5 in consecutive years is what?
Maybe Ricky should go talk to Tom Coughlin, cause it wasn't Yoga that fixed Barber.
Still, after the 2003 year, in spite of his gaudy rushing numbers, Tiki had one weakness to overcome: fumbling the football. Barber had six lost fumbles in both the 2002 and 2003 seasons, including three lost fumbles in a single game against the Philadelphia Eagles on December 28, 2002. When Coach Tom Coughlin arrived he taught Tiki to hold the ball vertically instead of horizontally. After changing this his fumbles went down dramatically: in 2004, he only had 2 lost fumbles.
So, yeah, they both had fumbilitis, and yes, it's a cool word, and yes, I hope that Yoga cured him, just not counting on it.
Jesse Chatman is obviously scared that he's going to lose his starting spot, and thus many $$$ as a free agent at the end of the season.
I'm surprised Mando didn't point that out.
I hope Cam sees through this, but I don't really have much faith in him, especially when it comes to the former (and now current) players of his that he treats as his own children (e.g., Lemon, Chatman).
Let Chatman heal fully. He's not known for his technique, but rather, for his extraordinary efforts that seem to get him an extra 3-4 yards on every play. Playing on a bum ankle, his style will be seriously hampered.
Let's see Ricky and Booker, and better the players that we actually have under contract next year, rather than bolstering the value of future free agents.
Why no discussion of the Sean Taylor shooting?
Any word on whether they have an ID of the suspects?
I imagine if they are caught, Greg Cote will advocate signing them onto the Dolphins, since he seems to think that violent thug attacks are a sign of NFL greatness. (See Cote's column re: the Porter Las Vegas assault).
I mentioned it. Sean Taylor is the man! I'm just wondering what "groin" means? Did they shoot him in the package? That would SUCK!
Other than that, bring all the thugs you want, if they can play! I'll take Vick, Pacman, Sean Taylor, and Daunte Hall please!
Sean Taylor was shot in the thigh, near his groin. His femoral artery was ruptured and he lost massive amounts of blood. He is in a coma and may have suffered brain damage. It is not known yet if will survive. The Herald has modified it's earlier report tha he was stabilizing. profootballtalk has the latest.
Also, Sal Palantonio just reported on NFL live that Ricky is expected to start.
Hey Marc, you said bring the thugs that can play. Then why would you want Vick? He sucks.
I'll take Haynesworth, and the Chad Johnson circus though.
The next time Brian Westbrooke touches the ball 872 times in 2 seasons we'll see if he has a few more fumbles...
Give it break Marc, Ricky has fumbled but it has certainly never been his legacy. I would be more inclined to think the down time from being hit would have more to do with his hanging on to the ball tonoght. With that in mind I will decline your offer to bet.
Let's see how he and Beck do tonight. After watchng Philly put up a fight last night I got a little inspired. Any given Monday or Sunday... I hope we get one of those given days soon.
HAHA...Yeah, I wouldn't mind those guys either, but saying Vick sucks when he had 2500 Passing Yards/1000 Rushing and 22 TD's in 06....Not too shabby....
Patrick, I never said it was his legacy, and I tried giving it a break. I didn't just come up with this. I remember him fumbling, I remember commentators talking about his fumbling, so when I hear the name Ricky Williams, just like, when I hear Tiki Barber, I think, GREAT BACK, but fumble-prone....That's it, I'm not ATTACKING HIM, it's nothing of the sort.
So, to me, he will always be "The Rumblin' Fumbler"
Mandy, maybe you can shed some insight here for the forgetful ones....Was Ricky tagged by the media as fumble-prone?
Chatman is better? Every other media outlet is reporting that Ricky will start. In fact, Ricky Williams was just activated to the 53 man roster and Samkon Gado was waved because of that activation. So.... what is it? Is it Ricky or Jesse?
after tonight's game just 5 more games until the big tuna bill parcells takes over as the gm in january of 2008! bryan in ohio
Shut up Bryan. I am not coming to Miami!!! This is getting annoying, and I would just like to enjoy my retirement in peace. Seriously, enough already.
Found this on another article...Talk about disheartening:
THE RICH GET RICHER
It's unlikely the 10-0 New England Patriots care too much about being stripped of 2008 draft picks for their part in the Spygate scandal earlier this season, especially since they hold San Francisco's first-rounder in '08. With the 2-8 Niners struggling, the Pats are in line for a top-five pick next April, with speculation out of New England suggesting stud Arkansas running back Darren McFadden or monster LSU defensive lineman Ken Dorsey might be candidates. The rich just get richer, don't they?
Funny you bring up the Porter incident -- this is a brutal beating. Four thugs jumping one guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwgniB0e_VE&feature=related
Wasn't Greg Cote the one who was who wrote that he thought this was pretty cool -- that this showed how tough Porter is? Has Cote ever apologized for his column? Why hasn't anyone in Herald's management addressed his punk-ass irresponsible statements?
Seems like Jesse also saw Ricky practice this week and said, "Holy shit! I better get back out there or I'm riding the pine again."
Dan Marino is known as a Notorious Interceptee (is that a word?) because he had 420 TDs and 252 INTs. So, out of those 672 passes, 60% were INTs.
Where the hell did you learn math?
PLEASE FIRE CAM!!!! Every week he screws it up with bad play calling. Last week, going for it from the 1 when they need the feild goal, and this week going forit on 4th and 11 instead of trying for 3. Like we were really going to get a TD. Wake up Wayne and get rid of this joke of a head coach. Losing by 3 is still losing!!! FIRE CAM.
Wait, just checkin' in here...Did Ricky fumble?? Oh yeah, he did!
Will Wayne grow a pair and FIRE Cam and Bring in Cowher for the 2008 Season? Armando why don't you write about that! The play calling tonight was disgusting as the weather conditions.
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