Jason Allen done, Joey Porter next
Yesterday I wrote about Jason Allen, who happens to be the biggest draft day disappointment the Dolphins have had since, let me see here ...
I would say since John Avery, who they took in 1998. That you'll remember was the year Jimmy Johnson was sitting in position to take Randy Moss, but traded down with Green Bay and took Avery instead.
Anyway, the Allen column is here in case you want some encouraging and depressing news at the same time: http://www.miamiherald.com/1190/story/267564.html
Today, meanwhile, I'm letting you in on a little secret. I plan to approach the next biggest disappointment on the Miami defense right now -- Joey Porter -- and ask him what the heck is the problem.
Porter, as you know, is a very confident guy. Yesterday he debunked the idea his matchup with Cleveland tight end Kellen Winslow was a battle because as he said, "It ain't a battle until the other guy wins one." Porter claims he has dominated Winslow in the four meetings they have had dating back to the days Porter was in Pittsburgh. You know, the days Porter was a productive player.
I'll ask him simply, "How do you think you're playing?" and "Why aren't you being more productive?"
I want to do this because, jeez, the guy got $20 million in guaranteed money for the Dolphins this offseason, and I don't see any return on that investment.
What do you think?
I would say since John Avery, who they took in 1998. That you'll remember was the year Jimmy Johnson was sitting in position to take Randy Moss, but traded down with Green Bay and took Avery instead.
Anyway, the Allen column is here in case you want some encouraging and depressing news at the same time: http://www.miamiherald.com/1190/story/267564.html
Today, meanwhile, I'm letting you in on a little secret. I plan to approach the next biggest disappointment on the Miami defense right now -- Joey Porter -- and ask him what the heck is the problem.
Porter, as you know, is a very confident guy. Yesterday he debunked the idea his matchup with Cleveland tight end Kellen Winslow was a battle because as he said, "It ain't a battle until the other guy wins one." Porter claims he has dominated Winslow in the four meetings they have had dating back to the days Porter was in Pittsburgh. You know, the days Porter was a productive player.
I'll ask him simply, "How do you think you're playing?" and "Why aren't you being more productive?"
I want to do this because, jeez, the guy got $20 million in guaranteed money for the Dolphins this offseason, and I don't see any return on that investment.
What do you think?
posted by Armando Salguero at 10:46 AM
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Go for it, Armando, Porter should be taken to task. Just don't expect a cognizant answer.
mando, dont do it then we will be like "how am i playing... im goin to play soo good in this game that i will gaurentee win.... we all know who well that turned out last time.
--CJ
It's a very valid question -- the guy was our big free agent signing and has shown no signs of paying dividends a quarter into the season.
-- Bebo
DO it Mando just watch out for that right hook I heard its deadly!!! What you really should ask him is if he plans on taking a pay cut next season if he doesn't match or beat his sack record from last year!!! Thats the whole reason he got the $20mill. he was supposed to be creating havoc the opposite side of JT, and thus far into the season he looks more like a crossing guard ushering RB's right along!!!
Armando,
Ask him if he guarantees he won't be on the team next year. This guy is a joke and has to be taken to task. With his mouth, he's making a mockery out of an already pathetic franchise.
Why not ask about our defensive schemeing? That is the real question. Porter is in on a lot of plays and if you notice teams run away from porter and towards JT. We have JT ranked so high that when he makes mistakes no one asks questions. Ask JT how many freakin' personal fouls and offside calls against him.
Why ask Joey the question? Who can fault him for getting as much money as he could? I know I would, and so would each of you.
That being said, isn't the question more appropriate to Randy Mueller, Cam Cameron, or Dom Capers? They're likely the ones who thought is was worth the money, so the onus is on them.
Why make it personal with Porter?
Anonymous good points!!!
EXCELLENT Points Anonymous. I think the questions, Armando, are for the leadership in this organization, not the players who will take $$ from the highest bidder. It's not Porter's fault Miami was dumb enough to give him $20 Million. The media has to stop being nice to Cam just because he's a "nice guy"..
Once again an idiot reporter spews 20/20 draft hindsight without putting things in proper context. If Armando would state that Jimmy had traded that 1st round pick before the draft had even started maybe it would change how people view the situation.
There was no way ANYONE envisioned Moss to freefall like he did. Do you honestly believe Jimmy would have passed on Moss if the trade hadn't been completed prior? Everyone seems to believe that Miami passed on Moss but the pick was traded prior to the draft and Moss was a virtual lock to be selected early. So Jimmy took the value early knowing the team needed picks. Now obviously I'm not defending the Avery pick, but I'm so sick of everyone stating Miami passed on Moss. It just did not happen that way.
Anonymous: it is not personal. It is business.
Is Joey talking smack again? You would think the Fins are 5-0 with all the shit talking. Anderson could easily put up 300yds and 3tds on this Dolphin D and Winslow should have no problem taking one to the house on Joey.
Actually Anonymous: I interviewed Jimmy Johnson AFTER the fact. He said he believed Moss would be available. Furthermore, he said if he had to do it over again, he would NOT have drafted Moss, he would have taken Vonnie Holliday.
So before you go off on a get-the-facts-right tantrum, I suggest you know what the heck you're talking about, which in this case you obviously don't.
Aramando: I'd rather you tell us how the contract is structured so we know when Miami can get out from under it ? Porter was a big mistake for a rebuilding team. He's be a great signing for a team like the pats. So please find out the cap issue's and report them.
Burn!
Tell him I said he plays like a b***h.
Thanks in advance for blocking his punch.
While you are at it, maybe you could ask the same question to the rest of the team except Ronnie Brown? Porter is not the only underachiever, just the highest paid. By the way, with regards to your column this week on Lemon, Marino's first game was on the road in the unfriendly confines of Oakland, as were 4/5 of his first appearances. So saying Cameron is right to not start Beck in Cleveland against arguably the worst defense this side of, well, Miami, is kind of thin. Marino was all of 22 years old as well, Beck is 26. Point is, start Beck, the only excuse not to is that Cam is afraid of being exposed as wasting not only the first round pick but the second as well.
Regardless of what Jimmy "said" to you after the fact, Moss was slated to go much higher than he did and Miami was not in a position to draft the free-falling receiver because the pick was gone prior to the draft. That is the point that no one ever brings up. The legend has it that Miami traded out of their pick rather than selecting Randy Moss, but it didn't happen that way. Miami was never in a position to select Randy Moss, so they could not have "passed" on him, like many would leave to believe. That is my point.
Oh, and by the way, Marino was chosen to play over David Woodley, a guy who just the previous year started in the superbowl. Starting Beck would take guts, but if Shula was willing to take a chance with a rookie on a team that that had just won the AFC the previous year, I am thinking Cam can take a chance on a team that hasn't sniffed the SuperBowl for years and is currently 0-5. Let Beck "grow" with Ronnie Brown etc. It is a mistake to keep him shelved and start a guy who has no chance of being your future QB.
Armando, while you're in the locker room, ask Chris Chambers if we can expect any more drive-killing, 15-yard penalties for him chucking the ball downfield after a catch. It's shocking to me that the coaches don't correct this. He'll do it again before too long, guaranteed...
If, like Joey says, you have to win one before you can talk, it is time to put up or shut up already.
I agree though that Mueller needs to be put to task. I don't want him making the picks for the organization next year, otherwisw we are like five years from rebuilding. The organization is has been in a demolition phase for like a decade now. An interior decorator could do a better job at rebuilding.
Do it, Mando. Just run out of the casino if you see him and his posse come in.
Just agreeing with the others. Can't blame Porter for accepting a 20 mil contract. The fault is with management. I'd take any 20 mil contract that came my way regardless if I could do the job or not. As far as his performance, my guess is the rest of the Steelers defense made him look better, gave him more opportunities.
While you are entitled to your opinion, I think you are wrong about Jason Allen, and or using a double standard since you acknowledged in a previous blog (referencing Ted Ginn Pick) that it takes 3 years to determine the success of a draft pick, and to wait and see how it plays out. I am not sure but not too long ago week 1 or 2 there were some, (maybe you too Armando) talking about Ronnie Brown being a bust and since he was drafted No. 2 overall, and now people can't sing his praises enough. I just think that Jason Allen needs some time to learn 1 position (not 2) and to be left at 1 position.
As to Joey Porter and the defense maybe everyone should look at the coaching first as lee said.
Armando, so did Porter answer your questions without becoming angry or snippy with you?
5 p.m update: I asked the questions and I am still alive. I will write a column about it for tomorrow.
Basically, Porter contends he's not producing because he's not in a sack-producing position. He understands your frustration that he's not getting sacks and says he's frustrated, too.
I'm still figuring it all out because it was kind of confusing.
What can the Dolphins get in trade for Jason Allen? They need to cut their losses now.
So far only the Chiefs have shown interest in Jason Allen. They have offered their oldest cheerleader and a conditional waterboy in '08.
Mando -
I read something in the "other" paper today re: Porter. Sounds like in the SAM position for our defense, rushing the passer has not been a priority. Porter is playing SAM.
Concerning for a couple reasons. If this is the case, how is it our supposed defensive "genius" can't figure out how to get the most return on that $20 million signing bonus? Let's not forget, we're paying Capers quite the pretty penny to serve as our defensive coordinator.
Second, obviously Mueller and Cameron liked Porter enough to aggressively sign him. Did they "miss" on such a high priced free agent, or did they move so fast they didn't bother to ask Capers how he envisioned using Porter?
Like I said, in either case it does not bode well for the future of this franchise...
Porter is just trying to make something happen.
rob said:
let me say this first I am a die hard dolphins fan i am 25 and i will be a fan till the day i die i will watch every game no matter if the team is 0-15 i will still watch the hole dophins game! i will also wastch every game with my season tickets i don't sell them like all the other posers do! i will go too every game no matter what there record is! ok now too the subject!point blank this deffense sucks! joey porter is not the problem! the hole deffense sucks! jason taylor finally came out of his shell against the texans! ok let me tell it too all u dolphins fans out there that are true fans and too amarando! joey porter is not producing because 2 reasons! #1 don capers defense scheme sucks and needs to be fired next year! #2 is the main reason! matt roth,kieth traylor,
paul soliai,page,and steve fifitajust point out sucks this year! the offensive line is just detroying them 2 and joey porter can not help if the line is just detroying them 2 he is not going too be able too get a sack if the o-line is just man upping against these too the center has all day to just man up against porter he can't break through that line because the dolphins d-line is not producing and is just getting dominated! as for him guarding the tight end! or slot recivers he is doing his job! but he ain't going too sack nobody if the dolphins don't produce on the deffensive front line! point blank! so all u people saying he is sucking and not producing it is not his fault it is our d-line and our coach! also our coach does not blitz very offten so joey porter can not sack the QB if we don't blitz! u retarted azzholes! so get it right before u knock joey porter! we never blitz at all that is why our deffense just get's tourn apart! the QB has all day to throw the ball because our d-line can not get too the QB beacuse they suck and our just getting dominated! jason taylor is finally comming around! in my opion we should move joey porter to to strong side line backer and move channing crowder to weakside linebacker! so that way joey porter will be on jason taylor side and it will make more oppurtunity for jason taylor and joey porter because then jason taylor will not be getting doubled teamed because they will have too worry about joey porter blitzing! then him and jason taylor will start getting sacks left and right! but first don capers need too start opening up the deffense by blitzing if we don't blitz we will just keep getting dominated! ok so now what do all u bandwaggers or fair weather fans got too say about my opion! thanks!
1st off, you can't write worth a damn... 2nd, by blitzing you are exposing the DBs to man coverage, which no one in our secondary is very good at. Dom Capers didn't go from guru to dumbass all in one season and don't even think Saban was actually pulling the strings last year. It's all in a single word, talent, or lack there of.
Carter, Zognina, Wilkerson, Evans... Most of these guys were second rotation but now we're looking at 2 rookies and a second year guy trying to fill their shoes. It all starts in the trenches... Then we have Zack and Crowder being gone for a couple games. Our best corner recovering from shoulder surgery and our best safety on IR... That is why Capers can't open up the defense.
It should be interesting to read your column Armando because the only thing I see flying around is the crap spewing from Porter's mouth. I just don't see him flying to the football.
The whole thing goes back to Cameron telling Wayne before the season that he thought this was a playoff team? A team thinking it can make the playoffs goes out and finds what it decides is the missing piece or two. That illusion certainly has been shattered and now the Porter deal smells like a rotten fish.
I would like to defend Cameron here... The defense belongs to Capers and he must have been the one who told Cameron and Mueller he needed Porter. He also must have felt the defensive line would be fine without the players mentioned earlier. No one saw the Fred Evans debacle coming but he was only one player. Unlike the folks calling for Mueller's head, I would like to see Capers held to the flame. Not for his coaching because I think he is a very capable coach, but for these defensive personnel decisions that make very little sense in hindsight. It would be interesting to know whose voice was loudest on the Porter deal, Capers or Mueller? Either way, Cameron was trusting one or both of those guys.
Cameron got another rookie head coaching lesson. No blind faith my brother... As a head coach you question everything.
don't use any big words either....nothing over 2 syllables
Armando,
Thats a fair question to ask. Especially, when their not playing to what the organization is paying them for. He talks to much so put him on the spot but I'm sure you won't get a straight answer and maybe a dirty look.
M-
You can't fault Joey. He did what any player would do. Get as much money as he possibly can for his services. It's a business man. But what about getting rid of all the veteran defensive linemen who absorb a lot the the blocks so the linebackers can make plays. Now teams only have to concern themselves with JT. Hence we can see the results. Dumb Capers and Sham Cameron are at fault. You can't wholesale get rid of veterans and expect new guys to function without that veteran leadership in their skill sets. Joey added to the mix of last years defensive personnel (d-linemen) we blowup offenses. Get rid Kevin Carter and the guys and you have no defensive pressure, period.
Not a fair comment I don't care what he makes the dolphins win and lose as a team why point out the individual accomplishments or lack thereof we have no wins period. The media are like bad teammates they point fingers, and believe they are doing everyone a service. Believe me Joey Porter isn't the reason why we are losing, and he wasn't the reason why the Steelers won a couple of years back either. It takes a team Armando
Armondo, you are going after the wrong guys.The Dolphins problem is the ownership. Since Wayne bought the Dolphins we have been going down hill. Wayne can't pick a good football coach. We get Johnson and he ruined the rest of Marino's career and brought in bad coaches with him. We are still suffering.
Jimmy Johnson didn't make the Dallas football team Jerry Jones did! At least Jerry knows fottball.
Look where he is now. Wayne knows rubbish! Look what we got and where are now! "End of Story".
Glenn
Jason Allen is another one of a long line of Dolphin draft day disasters, Jamar Fletcher, Yatil Green also come to mind. I think Shawn Merriman was still available when Allen was selected. We had oppurtunities to get players like Anqoin Boldin, or Chad Johnson, but instead we draft Eddie Moore.
Guess who we also should of kept as our offensive co-ordinator Jason Garrett! Are the Dolphins snake bitten or do we need a whole new scouting department?
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